afrodoc2:


I don’t sleep on Nairaland. Anyway I have replied his question.

And you can’t choose for me which question or topic I should get involved in.

The guy made a statement that Rodri was not better than McTom and i decided to tackle it seeing that this was one the foundation stones of his claim that they didn’t have a better squad.

And I am happy to say he has now retracted that statement. Problem solved.

What I like is when people argue/debate with logic and facts and not make emotional and hyperbolic statements like the Rodri statement or for instance saying that Gio Reyna in 2020 was already better than Sancho

P.S And the debate was not about whether we have or lack quality. We have loads of quality. It is just my opinion that the City squad just has more.

You just had to doc

CapitalCee:


So all these analysis is the reason Ole will not effectively rotate his squad?

No. It only shows the quality at the disposal of each manager. .

TrebleChamp:
Is Pep rotation working because all his players are world class or because he is that good a manager? We have very good first eleven and second eleven players, Ole should learn how to rotate his players and keep them fresh for the title running.

Pep doesn’t hesitate to drop players that can’t play at the level he wants. Even if it means buying a new player for that position.

This discuss wasn’t meant to be about Olé, it was about the squad and quality of squad depth. But anything that suits you guys, run with it.

lekkie073:
You just like to argue and argue your life away on what adds no economic value to your life in Calabar. Sit here all day and be castigating those people who are among the best in their careers. Glazes, whose funds are the major force directing the affairs of the club are not complaining. The mancurians forking out GBP to watch every season are not perrenial complainants,

Na somebori from Calabar carry the matter for head like Panama hat.
Despite melodygonna trying more than enough to make you see reason, you still no Wan gree use your intellect effectively.
If you like, cry from now till eternity, the club will decide when it's employee (manager or player) leaves. If you are still watching football with the mindset that your team is expected to beat every other club to it every time, then you are not qualified to be a fan.
Let me ask you this....

How many times have you complained that your father is not as rich as dangote? How many time have you aspired to be the best employee in the organization? But you persistently complain about someone doing the best in his field to ensure success for himself and the organization he represents. You and your ilks here just waste the whole day giving people thousand rational and irrational reasons to see someone in a bad light.
Make una no kill unaself on issues that are beyond your control.

Baba calm down, you don't know me...For your information I am doing well for myself hence no point looking at my dad...Because someone comes here to while away time doesn't mean the person is less busy or jobless, Ole is coach of Manchester United, one of the biggest football club in the world, if you think it's out of place for fans to talk about his methods then that's your headache...Away from football, have you ever seen me attacking Ole?

If my post is giving you headache, kindly scroll past, there's no gun to your head asking that you must read all the post here...

TheLequte:


Maguire sef. If he gets injured we’re doomed. And AWB too.

Maguire, Bruno and AWB. The drop in quality when compared with their replacements is huuuuge.

City has almost nothing like that. KDB gets injured? Graelish or Gundogan will slot in and the drop in quality will not he huuuuge.

Lindelof, Dalot, Pogba/Sancho can cover for them...

inFamouz:
I don't want to get drawn into dis arguement, but De Gea is better than Ederson.

You can carry all your ball playing nonsense to the trash, Ederson haven't had a performance like that of De Gea against Roma last season, that was pure World Class, Ederson can never have a performance like that in his career, he isn't just capable of such fits.

Our attack is the best in the league, that shouldn't even be up for debate.

There's no way as a Wing forward is Grealish better than Rashford.

Grealish break out season is actually last year, but he's better than Pogba as an AM lol, if VdB hasn't signed for us people will be rating him at least on par with Gundogan and better than foden and B,silva but our manager rarely uses his bench so how would we know? I for one know that VdB in that Ajax team was Mad.

Rodri is just an Ordinary player protected by the Tactics Pep deploys, suddenly he is world
class, Man! fernandinho at 36 is better than that Fraud.

The grealish hype is ridiculous, Sancho is better and a lot proven than that Beckham wannabe, he hasn't done sh!t at the biggest stage ffs! His best season is at Aston fucking Villa, man barely escaped relegation just two seasons ago, got his stat inflated by the freak Liverpool 7-2 game and now he's a better AM than Pogba, we have forgotten Pogba being the leader in almost every statistics possible during Ole's interim season where Pogba was given a free role, but let's pretend that didn't happen and Pogba is too slow. Lol

And lastly Fred is really underated in this streets I really believed that if he started the UEL final, we would've won, he's Brazilian first teamer ffs!! Respect.. Respect... Respect..

Not to forget McTominator was actually productive than most of the City CM's that are said you be better than him.

Tuchel's attack is just mere, he has added Lukaku who many here thinks he's an Average no.9 to his rank let's see how they fare this season.

Lastly, A proven Goal scorer like Lukaku is nothing Special, but Grealish with just one Good season with midtable Villa is World Class

Omo!!!!!!!

You guys keep saying if Bruno or Maguire is injured we are finished...Do you guys really think there's anyone at City that can effectively replace KDB? I don't think so but they have a system that covers for whatever gapping hole in their team. Bruno, Pogba Maguire and AWB might look irreplaceable but we don't have to replace Bruno with a player that creates and scores as much as he does neither do we have to replace AWB with a RB that is a tackle merchant. Lindelof, Dalot (This guy played over 25 games for Milan) VDB, Sancho can step in and do a good job...Mind you, all those players won't be out at once...

patrickmuf:
Baba calm down, you don't know me...For your information I am doing well for myself hence no point looking at my dad...Because someone comes here to while away time doesn't mean the person is less busy or jobless, Ole is coach of Manchester United, one of the biggest football club in the world, if you think it's out of place for fans to talk about his methods then that's your headache...Away from football, have you ever seen me attacking Ole?

If my post is giving you headache, kindly scroll past, there's no gun to your head asking that you must read all the post here...

Ole complainants....
You complain of sixth position, he tried and made third, una still find way to complain. He ended second, yet you are not convinced.
He lost semis, una complain, he tried to break the jinx by entering a final, yet the mere fact that he lost on penalties was enough to rain down verbosities. You don't see progress at all. You only want success to come overnight. If your types were around during the early stages of Fergie's Era, this is the same thing you will be doing.... Prophesying doom

patrickmuf:
You guys keep saying if Bruno or Maguire is injured we are finished...Do you guys really think there's anyone at City that can effectively replace KDB? I don't think so but they have a system that covers for whatever gapping hole in their team. Bruno, Pogba Maguire and AWB might look irreplaceable but we don't have to replace Bruno with a player that creates and scores as much as he does neither do we have to replace AWB with a RB that is a tackle merchant. Lindelof, Dalot (This guy played over 25 games for Milan) VDB, Sancho can step in and do a good job...Mind you, all those players won't be out at once...

What you don't get is while we have replacements, city have better replacements, that's not to say we need to go out and buy another Bruno, but just a fact about city, forget the managers in this convo.

afrodoc2:


I don’t sleep on Nairaland. Anyway I have replied his question.

And you can’t choose for me which question or topic I should get involved in.

The guy made a statement that Rodri was not better than McTom and i decided to tackle it seeing that this was one the foundation stones of his claim that they didn’t have a better squad.

And I am happy to say he has now retracted that statement. Problem solved.

What I like is when people argue/debate with logic and facts and not make emotional and hyperbolic statements like the Rodri statement or for instance saying that Gio Reyna in 2020 was already better than Sancho

P.S And the debate was not about whether we have or lack quality. We have loads of quality. It is just my opinion that the City squad just has more.

You can have your opinion nobody is denying you that doc. However you are clearly wrong to say that the base of the argument is "NOT" whether we lack quality or not. Its either you did not see that or you decided to ignore it.

The genesis of the argument was where i made a comment of how pep made a lot of changes. Which could give him advantage at the long run ahead of others, meaning his co-contenders like Liverpool, Utd and Chelsea. Someone immediately retorted with a tired moaning of how Glazers do not back Ole, how we lack depth etc. My comment was crystal clear, it was never to undermine anyone rather to point out where Pep could have an advantage.

If you watch carefully i agreed with a number of people that Rodri was better than Mctoms in DM, and thats not the problem, I never even said Overall City do not have a better depth. My point has remained that Ole has the required depth to challenge. I went ahead to make my own recommendations in good faith. Whatever argument you are having with anybody regarding Rodri/Mctoms is clearly not the issue.

There was never an emotional comment i made here, I only pointed out Peps good usage of his squad. Can you Point out where i said Mctom is better than Rodri? My only comment about the DM position was that if 36 year old Fernandinho can be used, why not 33 years old Matic? and his use should be sparingly. You going to uproot an already well discussed topic about Reyna is simply to institute your nonexistent "emotional" fallacy ad hominen, and to me it is totally unnecessary.
My point is City may be better than Utd in depth but there is no gulf in class and ole has an embarrassment of talents to rotate.

Amad shouldn't go out for any loan oh, I can't endure watching James play again biko.

lekkie073:


Ole complainants....
You complain of sixth position, he tried and made third, una still find way to complain. He ended second, yet you are not convinced.
He lost semis, una complain, he tried to break the jinx by entering a final, yet the mere fact that he lost on penalties was enough to rain down verbosities. You don't see progress at all. You only want success to come overnight. If your types were around during the early stages of Fergie's Era, this is the same thing you will be doing.... Prophesying doom

Baba no Southampton fan will be demanding that they win the league, a respectable finish is enough for them. You don't spend over £400m and point to a 3rd and 2nd place finish...History remembers winners and not those who came second or 3rd...

And yes, if Fergie was hired today and spent over 400m in less than 3 seasons on the job, a lot more would be expected of him...

If you still don't get the drift then that's your problem...

Shey I no go dig abi

CapitalCee:


You can have your opinion nobody is denying you that doc. However you are clearly wrong to say that the base of the argument is "NOT" whether we lack quality or not. Its either you did not see that or you decided to ignore it.

The genesis of the argument was where i made a comment of how pep made a lot of changes. Which could give him advantage at the long run ahead of others, meaning his co-contenders like Liverpool, Utd and Chelsea. Someone immediately retorted with a tired moaning of how Glazers do not back Ole, how we lack depth etc. My comment was crystal clear, it was never to undermine anyone rather to point out where Pep could have an advantage.

If you watch carefully i agreed with a number of people that Rodri was better than Mctoms in DM, and thats not the problem, I never even said Overall City do not have a better depth. My point has remained that Ole has the required depth to challenge. I went ahead to make my own recommendations in good faith. Whatever argument you are having with anybody regarding Rodri/Mctoms is clearly not the issue.

There was never an emotional comment i made here, I only pointed out Peps good usage of his squad. Can you Point out where i said Mctom is better than Rodri? My only comment about the DM position was that if 36 year old Fernandinho can be used, why not 33 years old Matic? and his use should be sparingly. You going to uproot an already well discussed topic about Reyna is simply to institute your nonexistent "emotional" fallacy ad hominen, and to me it is totally unnecessary.
My point is City may be better than Utd in depth but there is no gulf in class and ole has an embarrassment of talents to rotate.

The supposed gap is negligible if Ole ups his game...Liverpool didn't have the depth of City when they won the league. I wonder why a perfectly negligible gap is now an issue when we are involved...

TheLequte:


No. It only shows the quality at the disposal of each manager. .

Ok i agree Ole lacks quality.

patrickmuf:
The supposed gap is negligible if Ole ups his game...Liverpool didn't have the depth of City when they won the league. I wonder why a perfectly negligible gap is now an issue when we are involved...

They make it sound as if anybody is wishing Ole to fail, go and look at how happy and bustling most of us were when Utd win matches. Every body is praying fervently for the team to win, and they could win, but when glaring deficiencies exist, shouldn't it be discussed or is a particular manager immune to criticism?

KingAlabi:

What you don't get is while we have replacements, city have better replacements, that's not to say we need to go out and buy another Bruno, but just a fact about city, forget the managers in this convo.

My guy, we have looked at both teams. The only area where they edge us is in the midfield and that's because VDB has got going yet. In AM, Sancho and Pogba can step in there and do a good job. I am of the opinion that Sancho or Pogba as our attacking midfielder will best any option from City not named KDB over the course of a season. I hope Ole sticks with McTom and Matic as his DM options while Fred and VDB should ay as CMs that they are.

City are better at LB...

We are better at RCB

We are on par at LCB

We are better at LB

They edge it in the DM position

In CM and AM we are as good as them.

In the wings, there's nothing to separate the both team. In fact, if Sancho reach the heights expected of him and Rashford comes back better we will ahead of them.

At CF, we are better and have the better options...

CapitalCee:


They make it sound as if anybody is wishing Ole to fail, go and look at how happy and bustling most of us were when Utd win matches. Every body is praying fervently for the team to win, and they could win, but when glaring deficiencies exist, shouldn't it be discussed or is a particular manager immune to criticism?

I watch almost all Manchester United games and that of other teams especially during weekends...How someone will sit down in his room and suggest that I want Manchester United to fail just to spite Ole is beyond me...

Hopefully we will beat Sutton today...

nitrogen:
We should just sell Old Trafford and use the proceeds to buy another 5-6 world class players at 100m each. We borrow grounds every match day to play our games.

Maybe that’s when the fans will be satisfied. We need to ship in better forwards and midfielders.

The same thing happened at Chelsea when Lampard was there. They said there was no depth and quality. The same team won the UCL (beating City in the final).

Let us continue!

Olesexuals no this to be absolutely true, they are arranging their excuses for Ole incase he bleep up again this season. The way this guys argue at times surprises me, Patrick made a detailed list of Utd and City players (which clearly show that they difference in quality isn't much). Whether we have the worst squad or not, Ole must win EPL or CL this season.

patrickmuf:
Dias plays almost all City games same with Stones...Against lower opposition, Pep plays Gundogan as the DM with KDB/Silva and Foden ahead of him...

I think we can rest one or two of AWB, Varane, Maguire and Shaw against lowly opponents. The problem is when Ole rest all our star performers for a game and brings in a lot of bench warmers. At least let the start while resting 1 or 2 first team players...

For instance if Dalot replaces AWB in a defense that has Varane, Maguire, Shaw and a midfield of McFred, Pogba, Bruno, you'd hardly notice a drop in quality...That's a good way to give minutes to those on the bench and not put out a starting 11 of Dalot - Lindelof - Bailly - Telles in defense with Matic - VDB and McTominay in midfield...

You just spoke my mind about this rotation thingy. I really want to drop some points regarding this issue but I guess you've said it all. If I say anything, it'll be as if I'm repeating myself cos you've literally said everything on my mind with your different posts

patrickmuf:
Baba no Southampton fan will be demanding that they win the league, a respectable finish is enough for them. You don't spend over £400m and point to a 3rd and 2nd place finish...History remembers winners and not those who came second or 3rd...

And yes, if Fergie was hired today and spent over 400m in less than 3 seasons on the job, a lot more would be expected of him...

If you still don't get the drift then that's your problem...

is united the first club that will spend 400m in three seasons and not win the league?

Every big club goes through a hiatus, a period when they will find it difficult to get it right. It might be a result of increased competition, money, fatigue or any other factor. The fact remains, a big club cannot remain competitive for ever except when there is no competition from its rivals. Fergie kept Liverpool in hiatus for decades. That coincided with the emergence of new football powerhouses like Chelsea and Mancity.
Now manutd has been in a hiatus since Fergie left (this is normal) and you expect one manager to come and fill his vacuum perfectly.
Fergie, as a personality won United at least 10 points per season. That's why some rival fans ascribe him the position of epl influencer. That is gone with him, more clubs are grooming themselves to be more competitive. In the midst of these, some manutd fans still fantasize about overnight success. Hmmmmm

lekkie073:
is united the first club that will spend 400m in three seasons and not win the league?

Every big club goes through a hiatus, a period when they will find it difficult to get it right. It might be a result of increased competition, money, fatigue or any other factor. The fact remains, a big club cannot remain competitive for ever except when there is no competition from its rivals. Fergie kept Liverpool in hiatus for decades. That coincided with the emergence of new football powerhouses like Chelsea and Mancity.
Now manutd has been in a hiatus since Fergie left (this is normal) and you expect one manager to come and fill his vacuum perfectly.
Fergie, as a personality won United at least 10 points per season. That's why some rival fans ascribe him the position of epl influencer. That is gone with him, more clubs are grooming themselves to be more competitive. In the midst of these, some manutd fans still fantasize about overnight success. Hmmmmm

Demanding for a single trophy after the spending for 4 years is not overnight sucess.

lekkie073:
You just like to argue and argue your life away on what adds no economic value to your life in Calabar. Sit here all day and be castigating those people who are among the best in their careers. Glazes, whose funds are the major force directing the affairs of the club are not complaining. The mancurians forking out GBP to watch every season are not perrenial complainants,

Na somebori from Calabar carry the matter for head like Panama hat.
Despite melodygonna trying more than enough to make you see reason, you still no Wan gree use your intellect effectively.
If you like, cry from now till eternity, the club will decide when it's employee (manager or player) leaves. If you are still watching football with the mindset that your team is expected to beat every other club to it every time, then you are not qualified to be a fan.
Let me ask you this....

How many times have you complained that your father is not as rich as dangote? How many time have you aspired to be the best employee in the organization? But you persistently complain about someone doing the best in his field to ensure success for himself and the organization he represents. You and your ilks here just waste the whole day giving people thousand rational and irrational reasons to see someone in a bad light.
Make una no kill unaself on issues that are beyond your control.

Really bro??

patrickmuf:
I watch almost all Manchester United games and that of other teams especially during weekends...How someone will sit down in his room and suggest that I want Manchester United to fail just to spite Ole is beyond me...

Hopefully we will beat Sutton today...

Once you present facts to them they go adhominen immediately or begin to tell you how you dont like a player or the manager. If I do not want utd to win, what will i be doing on this board?

CapitalCee:


Demanding for a single trophy after the spending for 4 years is not overnight sucess.

the one that brought trophies, some of una still castigated his style of football. So?

lekkie073:
the one that brought trophies, some of una still castigated his style of football. So?

Who and who?

CapitalCee:

Who and who?

the perrenial complainants who always have one thing or the other to complain about the manager.

lekkie073:
is united the first club that will spend 400m in three seasons and not win the league?

Every big club goes through a hiatus, a period when they will find it difficult to get it right. It might be a result of increased competition, money, fatigue or any other factor. The fact remains, a big club cannot remain competitive for ever except when there is no competition from its rivals. Fergie kept Liverpool in hiatus for decades. That coincided with the emergence of new football powerhouses like Chelsea and Mancity.
Now manutd has been in a hiatus since Fergie left (this is normal) and you expect one manager to come and fill his vacuum perfectly.
Fergie, as a personality won United at least 10 points per season. That's why some rival fans ascribe him the position of epl influencer. That is gone with him, more clubs are grooming themselves to be more competitive. In the midst of these, some manutd fans still fantasize about overnight success. Hmmmmm

You know why Barcelona, Juventus, Bayern, Man City, PSG, Real Madrid and the likes don't settle for less? Because they spend a whole lot in transfer fees and wages hence expect good football and trophies...If Klopp leaves Liverpool today, the next manager will be under intense pressure to deliver trophies too, no one will remember that it took Klopp 4 seasons to finally deliver the UCL because they believe they have gotten back to that stage where they shouldn't go a maximum of 2 seasons trophy less...Even Klopp will come under fire should Liverpool fail to win any trophy this season because the excuse of injuries to key defenders is now a thing of the past...

I can't be hating on Ole yet I want him to use the squad well to avoid the burnout that was evident last season...

Nezzjnr:

Really bro??

Leave the guy...He wants to get at me but not today...

lekkie073:
the one that brought trophies, some of una still castigated his style of football. So?

We have seen teams win trophies whilst playing well so, is not out of place to demand such from a coach. It's not like we are asking them to win trophies with 9 men against 11, simply win while playing well...

KingAlabi:
Amad shouldn't go out for any loan oh, I can't endure watching James play again biko.

James draw out player. There is a reason why we always score more when he is on the pitch with better players.

TheLequte:


Patrick you should stop now.

If we replace our midfielder with city's, how do you think KDB, Gondugan, Rodri and Fernandinho will perform under Ole's taktiks? Same for Bruno, Pogba, McFred and Matic under Pep taktiks?