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Re: Arsenal Vs Chelsea (0 - 2) On 22nd August 2021 by lexy2014: 8:03pm On Aug 22, 2021
Shegzy8:


Stop bringing atrocious statistics to defend your view.

Can u produce d statistics that u are referring to? Or has d meaning of d word statistics changed?
Re: Arsenal Vs Chelsea (0 - 2) On 22nd August 2021 by lexy2014: 8:04pm On Aug 22, 2021
Shegzy8:


First!! Chelsea were no where near relegation zone and wouldn't be there even if Lampard wasn't sacked.

When did u and I discuss Chelsea being near relegation zone? Can u produce where we had that discussion?
Re: Arsenal Vs Chelsea (0 - 2) On 22nd August 2021 by lexy2014: 8:07pm On Aug 22, 2021
Shegzy8:

It was obvious the team lampard had was very good, they spent over 200million in a summer coupled with the arrival of thiago Silva. All that team needed was a good coach. Werner and harvertz were blistering hot before coming in.

How does spending 200million automatically translate to a team being very good?

If u say "All that team needed was a good coach", does that negate or does it corroborate what I was saying? What good coach did they need and what was wrong with d coach they had?

If u say "Werner and harvertz were blistering hot before coming in", what now happened to them when they got to Chelsea and why?

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Re: Arsenal Vs Chelsea (0 - 2) On 22nd August 2021 by Bigsunny01(m): 8:08pm On Aug 22, 2021
Humanoid01:

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Re: Arsenal Vs Chelsea (0 - 2) On 22nd August 2021 by Nobody: 8:08pm On Aug 22, 2021
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Re: Arsenal Vs Chelsea (0 - 2) On 22nd August 2021 by lexy2014: 8:08pm On Aug 22, 2021
Shegzy8:

Coaches have a huge role to play in the way a team plays but this arsenal team lacks the quality. Only a few of them has the quality but are been paired with less experienced/underwhelming players.

When u say "quality", pls define what it means in footballing terms
Re: Arsenal Vs Chelsea (0 - 2) On 22nd August 2021 by lexy2014: 8:10pm On Aug 22, 2021
Shegzy8:

This arsenal team were bullied in both games they've played.

If they were "bullied" in both games, why was d scoreline against Chelsea just 2 nil?
Re: Arsenal Vs Chelsea (0 - 2) On 22nd August 2021 by lexy2014: 8:11pm On Aug 22, 2021
Shegzy8:


Also, the Chelsea team you made mention has serial winners in them. They won the Europa league in 2019. They have Thiago Silva, Kante, Azpilicueta. It was more of management.

If they are serial winners, what does that mean?

"It was more of management" of what?
Re: Arsenal Vs Chelsea (0 - 2) On 22nd August 2021 by ajyogbon(m): 8:11pm On Aug 22, 2021
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Re: Arsenal Vs Chelsea (0 - 2) On 22nd August 2021 by hayjaypapa: 8:18pm On Aug 22, 2021
Mike Arteta must be protected... Chelsea and other English clubs love him
Re: Arsenal Vs Chelsea (0 - 2) On 22nd August 2021 by Kyase(m): 8:23pm On Aug 22, 2021
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Re: Arsenal Vs Chelsea (0 - 2) On 22nd August 2021 by fergie001: 8:26pm On Aug 22, 2021
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Re: Arsenal Vs Chelsea (0 - 2) On 22nd August 2021 by cybertron88: 8:26pm On Aug 22, 2021
Reference:


Wenger did nothing to support the bold proposals of Alisher Usmanov to invest massively in the club back then but rather sided with Stan Kroenke to run the club on a shoe string budget principally by selling players to raise revenue and reduce the club's wage bill in his latter years.

While we all agree that keeping a club in the black in the face of financial fair play is important, tell me which of Europe's elite clubs is not beyond its spending limits. Usmanov had the resources but Kroenke will not divest but rather found an ally In Wenger who will frequently make excuses for him.

Look at what Conte did with Intermilan last season. He saw the divestment coming and threatened to walk away. That is what Wenger should have done all those years. He had the Ferguson type of clout at Arsenal but unlike Sir Alex he would not make stout demands for proper funding or force management decisions when it mattered. This was Wenger's own making. How will you sit by and watch your best talent leave without like replacement and say nothing. Was Wenger a shareholder for heavens sake? The fans demanded frequently for proper talent but he kept on making excuses for management.

When that sort of behavour grips a club or any organisation such top heavy power positing can become entrenched as a culture. That is the Wenger virus I talk about. And it affected Freddie and Emery after. That is why the Arsenal board will NEVER go for a manager with a stout personality, to stand up to management and tell them the truth. Carlo Ancelotti was available but they knew he will make demands they cannot accept so they prefer gaffers they can push around.

It is only in the last year that the stark realities of the destruction their practices have caused to the club that they are trying to splash the cash but alas every club smells their desperation and is selling at cut throat prices. They are paying top dollar today for average talent because of the Wenger virus.
U just nailed it. Arsenal recruitment over the years have been pathetic. From Pepe to Lacazette, partey, Luiz willian and the list goes on. They are paying heavily for average players cos they are no longer a brand who can compete with top club for quality players. It's either they are paying $50m for a player who nobody else wants or paying tremendous wages to another spent player who came on a free transfer. Ben white at $50m couldn't win a header against Brentford an paying $30m for ramsdale who would be second choice keeper and letting Martinez move to aston Villa for a very low price sums up how terrible Edu has been.

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Re: Arsenal Vs Chelsea (0 - 2) On 22nd August 2021 by GodwinIO(m): 8:32pm On Aug 22, 2021
crazygod:
Arsenal useless. Who is that arsenal left back? The same mistake they made for the first goal. They keep leaving Reece James. Chelsea is not playing anything special. Arsenal are just super useless and this one is not Arteta's fault. angry
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Re: Arsenal Vs Chelsea (0 - 2) On 22nd August 2021 by Kyase(m): 8:38pm On Aug 22, 2021
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Re: Arsenal Vs Chelsea (0 - 2) On 22nd August 2021 by quickly: 8:42pm On Aug 22, 2021
Arsenal will be in the relegation zone by Christmas time.

Then they will sack Arterta when it too late.

So if ur an Arsenal
Fan just disconnect and worry about better things because If dem sack Arterta I’m go collect millions of$$.

He has no problem

That’s the sweet thing about being a coach in a big club.

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Re: Arsenal Vs Chelsea (0 - 2) On 22nd August 2021 by lexy2014: 8:46pm On Aug 22, 2021
cybertron88:

U just nailed it. Arsenal recruitment over the years have been pathetic. From Pepe to Lacazette, partey, Luiz willian and the list goes on. They are paying heavily for average players cos they are no longer a brand who can compete with top club for quality players. It's either they are paying $50m for a player who nobody else wants or paying tremendous wages to another spent player who came on a free transfer. Ben white at $50m couldn't win a header against Brentford an paying $30m for ramsdale who would be second choice keeper and letting Martinez move to aston Villa for a very low price sums up how terrible Edu has been.

All these players u mentioned, are u telling me that they aren't good players?
Re: Arsenal Vs Chelsea (0 - 2) On 22nd August 2021 by lexy2014: 9:29pm On Aug 22, 2021
ipledge6:
all of you like sh!ting on Lampard. Lampard beat Man city to give Liverpool the premier league.

Was Lampard sacked in d season that Liverpool won d league? Are u referring to d league where Liverpool finished with 18points more than man city? How did Chelsea winning man city gift Liverpool d league when they were already 18points ahead?
Re: Arsenal Vs Chelsea (0 - 2) On 22nd August 2021 by Harmattan123(m): 9:30pm On Aug 22, 2021
Arsenal will surely battle in relegation water
Re: Arsenal Vs Chelsea (0 - 2) On 22nd August 2021 by snowball11(m): 9:36pm On Aug 22, 2021
Silentgroper:
Lousy fvcks these chelshiit lots.


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Shut your crap!

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Re: Arsenal Vs Chelsea (0 - 2) On 22nd August 2021 by shegzy1988(m): 9:53pm On Aug 22, 2021
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Re: Arsenal Vs Chelsea (0 - 2) On 22nd August 2021 by zoghys: 9:55pm On Aug 22, 2021
kuonbe:
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Are you stupid or just plainly demented?, what sort of nonsensical reply is that. If you can't take a joke, just say so and move on. The problem with you this chewing idiots is you assume you are something because you are been mentioned.
Re: Arsenal Vs Chelsea (0 - 2) On 22nd August 2021 by Shegzy8(m): 9:59pm On Aug 22, 2021
lexy2014:


If they are serial winners, what does that mean?

"It was more of management" of what?

Some players in the team had won a lot of trophies, Silva, kante and azpilicueta been an example.

I meant player management, tactical know how, been boosted psychologically. Remember Lampard said "The team wasn't ready to challenge" before he was sacked and Tuchel won with the same team. Quality wasn't and has never been the issue with any Chelsea team.
Re: Arsenal Vs Chelsea (0 - 2) On 22nd August 2021 by Shegzy8(m): 10:01pm On Aug 22, 2021
lexy2014:


If they were "bullied" in both games, why was d scoreline against Chelsea just 2 nil?

Because its football and Chelsea isn't a high scoring team. They hardly win by more than 2 goals margin. Crystal palace being an exception.
Re: Arsenal Vs Chelsea (0 - 2) On 22nd August 2021 by lexy2014: 10:01pm On Aug 22, 2021
Shegzy8:


Some players in the team had won a lot of trophies, Silva, kante and azpilicueta been an example.

I meant player management, tactical know how, been boosted psychologically. Remember Lampard said "The team wasn't ready to challenge" before he was sacked and Tuchel won with the same team. Quality wasn't and has never been the issue with any Chelsea team.

How does all this u have said negate d points I raised in my earlier comment which u responded to?
Re: Arsenal Vs Chelsea (0 - 2) On 22nd August 2021 by Shegzy8(m): 10:02pm On Aug 22, 2021
lexy2014:


When u say "quality", pls define what it means in footballing terms

The players. Quality to compete with their rivals. Quality to match their opponent man for man. Quality to decide games. Quality to perform on the big stage. They lack quality likewise experience.
Re: Arsenal Vs Chelsea (0 - 2) On 22nd August 2021 by lexy2014: 10:03pm On Aug 22, 2021
Shegzy8:


Because its football and Chelsea isn't a high scoring team. They hardly win by more than 2 goals margin. Crystal palace being an exception.

U bullied a team and u weren't able to score more than 2 goals. How's that bullying. Chelsea isn't a high scoring side yet palace conceded 3 from Chelsea. U are just contradicting urself
Re: Arsenal Vs Chelsea (0 - 2) On 22nd August 2021 by IzzyAgu: 10:04pm On Aug 22, 2021
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Re: Arsenal Vs Chelsea (0 - 2) On 22nd August 2021 by lexy2014: 10:04pm On Aug 22, 2021
Shegzy8:


The players. Quality to compete with their rivals. Quality to match their opponent man for man. Quality to decide games. Quality to perform on the big stage. They lack quality likewise experience.

That's not a definition. Pls define quality. What is d definition of quality in footballing terms?
Re: Arsenal Vs Chelsea (0 - 2) On 22nd August 2021 by Peppysco: 10:04pm On Aug 22, 2021
Babaj145:


It is Arteta's fault bro...is he not the coach?..is he blind?..can't he organize his players?..why is there a technical area for the coach?..it is to spot weaknesses in his team and quickly solve them even during the match...Arteta lacks tactics and is super naive in his approach and it shows in every match...I to think I initially had high hopes for him, but he has grossly let himself down..
The same Arterta you all begged to sign even when you were singing 'Emrey Out'. The truth is, whoever the coach is not the problem, but the problem is the board and the scouting team. As a Chelsea fan, it pained me to see my team play against a team of an average age of 20-21, wetin you expect to happen, that's like bringing a gun to a knife fight. Anyway, I just hope you guys don't slide into relegation very soon
Re: Arsenal Vs Chelsea (0 - 2) On 22nd August 2021 by Shegzy8(m): 10:10pm On Aug 22, 2021
lexy2014:


How does spending 200million automatically translate to a team being very good?

If u say "All that team needed was a good coach", does that negate or does it corroborate what I was saying? What good coach did they need and what was wrong with d coach they had?

If u say "Werner and harvertz were blistering hot before coming in", what now happened to them when they got to Chelsea and why?

You're talking as if they used the 200m to buy a full squad. They had quality players before the arrival of Werner and harvertz. They only needed addition to the squad as they were lagging in some key positions. They also needed key/marque signings.

Lampard is a rookie, he tried all he could but the job was too big for him, he couldn't cope with the pressure. Even jorginho said so later. He was given a war chest and couldn't utilize it. Chelsea were leaking in goals. But the scenario is different with that of arsenal except you just want to deceive yourself.

A lot happened to Werner and harvertz.

1. Pressure
2. Change in environment, country, culture
3. Man management was poor
4. Football (said this cause in football, some times thing don't go as planned)
5. Loss of confidence etc.
6. Different league some times equates different style of play. The tempo, speed, physicality, technicality etc.
Re: Arsenal Vs Chelsea (0 - 2) On 22nd August 2021 by Shegzy8(m): 10:13pm On Aug 22, 2021
lexy2014:


When did u and I discuss Chelsea being near relegation zone? Can u produce where we had that discussion?
You said if Lampard wasn't sacked, Chelsea might have been relegated.

And I said been sacked or not, Chelsea wouldn't have had any business there.
You made the situation then look like Lampard was brain dead or Chelsea was I'm 15th position. We were in 8th and few points off top 4

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