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Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by KingOKON: 6:01am On Aug 28, 2021
TAO12:
Liar;

Show me the European who penetrated from the Atlantic coast to as far as Mali and Burkina-Faso during the “Ogane” period.

Show me NOW.


Ogane weed, Ogane weed, ogane weed

Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by TAO12: 6:17am On Aug 28, 2021
KingOKON:
Ogane weed, Ogane weed, ogane weed
Liar;

Show me the European who penetrated from the Atlantic coast to as far as Mali and Burkina-Faso during the “Ogane” period.

Show me NOW.

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Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by KingOKON: 6:29am On Aug 28, 2021
TAO12:
Liar;

Show me the European who penetrated from the Atlantic coast to as far as Mali and Burkina-Faso during the “Ogane” period.

Show me NOW.


Lunatic.
Stop smoking Ogane WEED

Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by TAO12: 7:04am On Aug 28, 2021
KingOKON:
Lunatic.
Stop smoking Ogane WEED
Liar;

Show me the European who penetrated from the Atlantic coast to as far as Mali and Burkina-Faso during the “Ogane” period.

Show me NOW.

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Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by KingOKON: 8:11am On Aug 28, 2021
TAO12:
Liar;

Show me the European who penetrated from the Atlantic coast to as far as Mali and Burkina-Faso during the “Ogane” period.

Show me NOW.

Lunatic.
Stop smoking Ogane WEED

Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by TAO12: 8:23am On Aug 28, 2021
KingOKON:
Lunatic.
Stop smoking Ogane WEED
Liar;

Show me the European who penetrated from the Atlantic coast to as far as Mali and Burkina-Faso during the “Ogane” period.

Show me NOW.
Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by KingOKON: 8:28am On Aug 28, 2021
TAO12:
Liar;

Show me the European who penetrated from the Atlantic coast to as far as Mali and Burkina-Faso during the “Ogane” period.

Show me NOW.
.

Lunatic.
Stop smoking Ogane WEED

Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by TAO12: 8:29am On Aug 28, 2021
KingOKON:
.Lunatic.
Stop smoking Ogane WEED
Liar;

Show me the European who penetrated from the Atlantic coast to as far as Mali and Burkina-Faso during the “Ogane” period.

Show me NOW.
Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by KingOKON: 8:31am On Aug 28, 2021
TAO12:
Liar;

Show me the European who penetrated from the Atlantic coast to as far as Mali and Burkina-Faso during the “Ogane” period.

Show me NOW.
.

Lunatic.
Stop smoking Ogane WEED

Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by Nobody: 11:59am On Aug 28, 2021
TAO12:
Liar;

Show me the European who penetrated from the Atlantic coast to as far as Mali and Burkina-Faso during the “Ogane” period.

Show me NOW.
Get a life liar
Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by gregyboy(m): 2:49pm On Aug 28, 2021
KingOKON:
.

Smoke some more Ogane weed you go see am


Lol, this one got me,, she been on the oghene shit since inception


She goes as far as bringing an oyibo born in the 60s to prove her oghene is ooni...

The weed only she can smoke
Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by gregyboy(m): 3:01pm On Aug 28, 2021
TAO12:
Show me the European who penetrated from the Atlantic coast to as far as Mali and Burkina-Faso during the “Ogane” period. Show me NOW.


No European penetrated africa prior to 1470 AD... But when they did they visited all vital useful areas,

Just the way the Itsekiris introduced a vital country benin kingdom to Portuguese same way the benin introduced the oghene to europeans, the europeans would have visited but they knew the benins were talking on some. myth they were even giving the location by binis to the east which was opposite of ife....

But you say east is west and west is east.. grin grin

I nor know wetin i go do again

But you my friend on some ogene strong shit...
You want to turn myth to truth...



KingOkon

Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by TAO12: 7:09pm On Aug 28, 2021
gregyboy:
No European penetrated africa prior to 1470 AD... But when they did they visited all vital useful areas,
You’re giving the impression that they penetrated into the interior of Africa from 1470 onwards. That’s a big, fat, huge LIE. grin

Show me the European who penetrated from near the coast into the interior of Africa from the 1470s to the 1790s.

And if you can’t find one (of course you can’t), then a sane person would read up to understand why the Europeans didn’t dare penetrate deep from the coast areas into the deep forest interior until the late 1790s/early 1800s.

Just the way the Itsekiris introduced a vital country benin kingdom to Portuguese …
Yes the Benin kingdom of the time was from the coast of Ughoton and goes as far as probably Auchi.

So, the Europeans once in a while visit the capital city while remaining at Ughoton most times for their trade.

The Europeans traded with anyone (as long as they’re not too far off from the coast — whether it’s a village or it’s a kingdom).

Some of the many villages not for off from the coast whom Europeans traded with in the early centuries are: Cape-Palmas, Cape-Three Points, Komenda, etc.

At this point, a sane mind would ponder why they had trading relationships with places not far off from the coast (whether village or kingdom) from the west side to central Africa; but never daring to penetrate too deep into the deeply forested interior.

… same way the benin introduced the oghene to europeans, the europeans would have visited but they knew the benins were talking on some myth
It would be MyTh IF and only IF the Benin king himself is a MyTH — because the conversation with the Bini ambassador(s) is about who is the most powerful king in the Guinea forest. And the answer given by the Bini ambassador is:

Ọghẹnẹ (classical Bini rendition), Ọghọni (the classical Yoruba rendition), Ogané/Hooguanee (the Portuguese rendition given in the texts).

Also, the conversation about this most powerful king continued for centuries. The Ooni was finally met in the 1800s at a time when Europeans could now reach the deepest parts of the West African forest interior.

they were even giving the location by binis to the east which was opposite of ife
But you say east is west and west is east.. grin grin
LMAO! No, east is NOT west, and west is NOT east. And I never said it is. cheesy

The clarification from the consensus of the scholars of historical scholarship, instead, is as follows:

Ife is known by the epithet “ibi ojumo ti n mo wa” (i.e the place from whence the dawn comes) for a huge part of the Gulf of Guinea; not only in Benin kingdom.

~ Refer to the oba’s dawn prayers where he expresses the connection between Ife in particular (and Yoruba land in general) AND the dawn/rising-sun.

Thus, the description of the Ogané’s base (as the place from where the sun rises) as given by the Binis (to the Portuguese) is not a geographical/literal description; but rather religious/reverential.

However, the Europeans whom this description was given to received same non-literal description from a literalist European point of view. Hence the presence of the word “east” in the early Portuguese’s writings.

In addition to this clarification, maps drawn during the same period by other Europeans (e.g. the French) clearly shows the “Ogane’s Dominion” on the western side of Benin (over a vast expanse of the Nigeria area and beyond). Now you gerrit. cheesy

I nor know wetin i go do again

But you my friend on some ogene strong shit...
You want to turn myth to truth...
Get a grip. grin

Peace! ✌

Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by Abohboy: 7:39pm On Aug 28, 2021
gregyboy:



No European penetrated africa prior to 1470 AD... But when they did they visited all vital useful areas,

Just the way the Itsekiris introduced a vital country benin kingdom to Portuguese same way the benin introduced the oghene to europeans, the europeans would have visited but they knew the benins were talking on some. myth they were even giving the location by binis to the east which was opposite of ife....

But you say east is west and west is east.. grin grin

I nor know wetin i go do again

But you my friend on some ogene strong shit...
You want to turn myth to truth...



KingOkon


They made contact with the Ijebus through Lagos in the 1600s and prior to that they were told by those in the Mali Empire of a large and powerful empire in the forest and we now know that they were either talking about the Ijebu or Ife you cannot discount that fact
Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by TAO12: 7:40pm On Aug 28, 2021
Abohboy:
They made contact with the Ijebus through Lagos in the 1600s and prior to that they were told by those in the Mali Empire of a large and powerful empire in the forest and we now know that they were either talking about the Ijebu or Ife you cannot discount that fact
(1) They Portuguese made contact with Ijebu directly since the late-1400s/early-1500s; not through anyone.

(2) The information collected in the Mail region was sometimes around the year 1908 by L. Frobenius.

Moreover, the information collected there was not a case of Ife or Ijebu — they were clear, specific and direct. The following is his precise words:

When I came across some experienced explorers in 1908 in the great cities of the Niger on the southern borders of the Sahara, Timbuktu, and Wagadugu, and often discussed the antiquity of the far south-eastern cities, Ilife [Ile-ife] was mentioned as the first of five great places and it was only when in Atakpame in South Togoland, that I identified it with Ife. What I was then told in the North was so strange, indeed, that my resolve to visit the place myself at any cost was greatly strengthened. ~ Leo Frobenius, “The Voice of Africa,” Vol 1., (1913), p.69.

It’s not so hard to call a spade a spade brother, or is it?

Peace!

Cc: Abohboy.

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Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by Abohboy: 7:42pm On Aug 28, 2021
TAO12:
You’re giving the impression that they penetrated into the interior of Africa from 1470 onwards. That’s a big, fat, huge LIE. grin

Show me the European who penetrated from near the coast into the interior of Africa from the 1470s to the 1790s.

And if you can’t find one (of course you can’t), then a sane person would read up to understand why the Europeans didn’t dare penetrate deep from the coast areas into the deep forest interior until the late 1790s/early 1800s.

Yes the Benin kingdom of the time was from the coast of Ughoton and goes as far as probably Auchi.

So, the Europeans once in a while visit the capital city while remaining at Ughoton most times for their trade.

The Europeans traded with anyone (as long as they’re not too far off from the coast — whether it’s a village or it’s a kingdom).

Some of the many villages not for off from the coast whom Europeans traded with in the early centuries are: Cape-Palmas, Cape-Three Points, Komenda, etc.

At this point, a sane mind would ponder why they had trading relationships with places not far off from the coast (whether village or kingdom) from the west side to central Africa; but never daring to penetrate too deep into the deeply forested interior.


It would be MyTh IF and only IF the Benin king himself is a MyTH — because the conversation with the Bini ambassador(s) is about who is the most powerful king in the Guinea forest. And the answer given by the Bini ambassador is:

Ọghẹnẹ (classical Bini rendition), Ọghọni (the classical Yoruba rendition), Ogané/Hooguanee (the Portuguese rendition given in the texts).

Also, the conversation about this most powerful king continued for centuries. The Ooni was finally met in the 1800s at a time when Europeans could now reach the deepest parts of the West African forest interior.

LMAO! No, east is NOT west, and west is NOT east. And I never said it is. cheesy

The clarification from the consensus of the scholars of historical scholarship, instead, is as follows:

Ife is known by the epithet “ibi ojumo ti n mo wa” (i.e the place from whence the dawn comes) throughout the Gulf of Guinea; not only in Benin kingdom.

Refer to the oba’s dawn prayers where he expresses the connection between Ife in particular (and Yoruba land in general) with the dawn/rising-sun.

Thus, the description of the Ogané’s base (as the place from where the sun rises) as given by the Binis (to the Portuguese) is not a geographical/literal description; but rather religious/reverential.

However, the Europeans whom this description was given to received same non-literal description from a literalist European point of view. Hence the presence of the word “east” in the early Portuguese’s writings.

In addition to this clarification, maps drawn during the same period by other Europeans (e.g. the French) clearly shows the “Ogane’s Dominion” on the western side of Benin (over a vast expanse of the Nigeria area and beyond). Now you gerrit. cheesy

Get a grip. grin

Peace! ✌

I would have agreed with you had I just not searched Oghene and when I searched it says Oghene is the supreme God of the Urhobo and Isoko people so are you sure about your sources?
Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by Abohboy: 7:42pm On Aug 28, 2021
TAO12:
(1) They Portuguese made contact with Ijebu directly since the 1500s — not through anyone.

(2)

Lagos is not a person now is it? I said that the location in which they met the Ijebu was Lagos
Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by TAO12: 7:52pm On Aug 28, 2021
Abohboy:
I would have agreed with you had I just not searched Oghene and when I searched it says Oghene is the supreme God of the Urhobo and Isoko people so are you sure about your sources?
Lol. You’re clearly not familiar with this discussion and the primary sources. Let me break it down.

Yes the Portuguese made contacts with Benin in the late-1400s/early-1500s.

Yes they reported in their writings that they were told about the most powerful monarch — whom they (the Portuguese) transcribed as Ogané and as Hooguanee.

The Bini informants also gave them some descriptions of practices at Oghene’s court among other details.

Yes the same original Bini word (Oghene) is also used for “God” among some Edoid groups.

But the word (Oghene) flowed from the Bini to these Edoid groups; and it is originally a title of the Ooni of Ife whom the Binis of old viewed as some kind of God.

Hence the incorporation of the title Oghoni (classical Yoruba) — Oghene in Bini — as an attribute of Osa.

See the dictionary of the Bini language attached below.

Cc: Abohboy

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Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by TAO12: 8:04pm On Aug 28, 2021
Abohboy:
Lagos is not a person now is it? I said that the location in which they met the Ijebu was Lagos
Whether person or land, the Portuguese didn’t have to go via Lagos (which at the time was only the island); Ijebus’s territory was up to the Atlantic coast as well.

The Europeans had direct contact with the Ijebu-Ode kingdom from the late-1400s when Duarte Pacheco Pereira went there to see the king, the city, the moat, etc.

Cc: Abohboy.

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Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by KingOKON: 8:25pm On Aug 28, 2021
Abohboy:


They made contact with the Ijebus through Lagos in the 1600s and prior to that they were told by those in the Mali Empire of a large and powerful empire in the forest and we now know that they were either talking about the Ijebu or Ife you cannot discount that fact
.

Imagine not even Old oyo it is Ijebu or Ife, what were you taught in primary school about assumptions?
Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by Abohboy: 8:27pm On Aug 28, 2021
KingOKON:
.

Imagine not even Old oyo it is Ijebu or Ife, what were you taught in primary school about assumptions?

Old Oyo is too far inland for the British and technically so is Ife only the Ijebu were at the coast
Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by KingOKON: 8:33pm On Aug 28, 2021
TAO12:
You’re giving the impression that they penetrated into the interior of Africa from 1470 onwards. That’s a big, fat, huge LIE. grin

Show me the European who penetrated from near the coast into the interior of Africa from the 1470s to the 1790s.

And if you can’t find one (of course you can’t), then a sane person would read up to understand why the Europeans didn’t dare penetrate deep from the coast areas into the deep forest interior until the late 1790s/early 1800s.

Yes the Benin kingdom of the time was from the coast of Ughoton and goes as far as probably Auchi.

So, the Europeans once in a while visit the capital city while remaining at Ughoton most times for their trade.

The Europeans traded with anyone (as long as they’re not too far off from the coast — whether it’s a village or it’s a kingdom).

Some of the many villages not for off from the coast whom Europeans traded with in the early centuries are: Cape-Palmas, Cape-Three Points, Komenda, etc.

At this point, a sane mind would ponder why they had trading relationships with places not far off from the coast (whether village or kingdom) from the west side to central Africa; but never daring to penetrate too deep into the deeply forested interior.


It would be MyTh IF and only IF the Benin king himself is a MyTH — because the conversation with the Bini ambassador(s) is about who is the most powerful king in the Guinea forest. And the answer given by the Bini ambassador is:

Ọghẹnẹ (classical Bini rendition), Ọghọni (the classical Yoruba rendition), Ogané/Hooguanee (the Portuguese rendition given in the texts).

Also, the conversation about this most powerful king continued for centuries. The Ooni was finally met in the 1800s at a time when Europeans could now reach the deepest parts of the West African forest interior.

LMAO! No, east is NOT west, and west is NOT east. And I never said it is. cheesy

The clarification from the consensus of the scholars of historical scholarship, instead, is as follows:

Ife is known by the epithet “ibi ojumo ti n mo wa” (i.e the place from whence the dawn comes) throughout the Gulf of Guinea; not only in Benin kingdom.

Refer to the oba’s dawn prayers where he expresses the connection between Ife in particular (and Yoruba land in general) with the dawn/rising-sun.

Thus, the description of the Ogané’s base (as the place from where the sun rises) as given by the Binis (to the Portuguese) is not a geographical/literal description; but rather religious/reverential.

However, the Europeans whom this description was given to received same non-literal description from a literalist European point of view. Hence the presence of the word “east” in the early Portuguese’s writings.

In addition to this clarification, maps drawn during the same period by other Europeans (e.g. the French) clearly shows the “Ogane’s Dominion” on the western side of Benin (over a vast expanse of the Nigeria area and beyond). Now you gerrit. cheesy

Get a grip. grin

Peace! ✌
.

Never in my life have I read anything as gibberish as this
You are an expert in cooking and dishing out historical concoction
Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by TAO12: 8:37pm On Aug 28, 2021
KingOKON:
[s]Never in my life have I read anything as gibberish as this
You are an expert in cooking and dishing out historical concoction[/s]
You need consolation prize? See attached. cheesy

Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by TAO12: 8:41pm On Aug 28, 2021
Abohboy:
Old Oyo is too far inland for the British and technically so is Ife only the Ijebu were at the coast
Timeline is everything.

Portuguese, et al. were the ones in the “Nigeria” area from the late-1400s to the 1790s.

The British came for the first time sometimes in the early 1800s. And they reached the interior during this period — Old Oyo which is even the farthest inland.

No white person dared go to the interior of any African region from the 1470s to the 1790s.

Peace!
Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by KingOKON: 8:47pm On Aug 28, 2021
Abohboy:


Old Oyo is too far inland for the British and technically so is Ife only the Ijebu were at the coast
.

Malian Empire knew of Ijebu at the coast but never knew anything of Oyo empire, wonderful.
Ijebus controlled what coast and who was this king of the Ijebus?
Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by KingOKON: 9:15pm On Aug 28, 2021
TAO12:
You need consolation prize? See attached. cheesy
.


"...However, the Europeans whom this description was given to received same non-literal description from a literalist European point of view. Hence the presence of the word “east” in the early Portuguese’s writings...".

Even the DEVIL can't stand you when it comes lies
This only happens when Ogane WEED is being SMOKED at maximum strength....
Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by TAO12: 9:17pm On Aug 28, 2021
In fact, the knowledge of Oyo by the early Europeans was through Oyo’s imperial activities near the Atlantic coasts of the Aja country (around present-day Benin-Republic and Togo).

And this has come down to us through the eyewitness publications of William Bosman in the 1600s as well as Archibald Dalzel in the 1700s among other sources.
Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by TAO12: 9:20pm On Aug 28, 2021
KingOKON:
"...However, the Europeans whom this description was given to received same non-literal description from a literalist European point of view. Hence the presence of the word “east” in the early Portuguese’s writings...".
[s]Even the DEVIL can't stand you when it comes lies
This only happens when Ogane WEED is being SMOKED at maximum strength....[/s]
I get it.

You are already caught up in the bitter pill syndrome.

You will probably wake up in heaven. Sorry oo. cheesy

Ife is known by the epithet “ibi ojumo ti n mo wa” (i.e the place from where the dawn comes) for a huge part of the Gulf of Guinea; not only in Benin kingdom.

~ Refer to the oba’s dawn prayers where he expresses the connection between Ife in particular (and Yoruba land in general) AND the dawn/rising-sun.

Thus, the description of the Ogané’s base (the place from where the sun rises) as given by the Binis (to the Portuguese) is not a geographical/literal description; but rather religious/reverential.

However, the Europeans to whom this description was given received same non-literal description from a literalist European point of view. Hence the presence of the word “east” in the early Portuguese’s writings.

In addition to this clarification, maps drawn during the same period by other Europeans (e.g. the French) clearly shows the “Ogane’s Dominion” on the western side of Benin (over a vast expanse of the Nigeria area and beyond). Now you gerrit. cheesy

Get a grip. grin

Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by KingOKON: 9:43pm On Aug 28, 2021
TAO12:
I get it.

You are already caught up in the bitter pill syndrome.

You will probably wake up in heaven. Sorry oo. cheesy

Ife is known by the epithet “ibi ojumo ti n mo wa” (i.e the place from whence the dawn comes) for a huge part of the Gulf of Guinea; not only in Benin kingdom.

~ Refer to the oba’s dawn prayers where he expresses the connection between Ife in particular (and Yoruba land in general) AND the dawn/rising-sun.

Thus, the description of the Ogané’s base (the place from where the sun rises) as given by the Binis (to the Portuguese) is not a geographical/literal description; but rather religious/reverential.

However, the Europeans to whom this description was given received same non-literal description from a literalist European point of view. Hence the presence of the word “east” in the early Portuguese’s writings.

In addition to this clarification, maps drawn during the same period by other Europeans (e.g. the French) clearly shows the “Ogane’s Dominion” on the western side of Benin (over a vast expanse of the Nigeria area and beyond). Now you gerrit. cheesy

Get a grip. grin
.

by the epithet “ibi ojumo ti n mo wa” (i.e the place from whence the dawn comes)
.......Is this Yoruba or what
Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by KingOKON: 9:51pm On Aug 28, 2021
TAO12:
Whether person or land, the Portuguese didn’t have to go via Lagos (which at the time was only the island); Ijebus’s territory was up to the Atlantic coast as well.

The Europeans had direct contact with the Ijebu-Ode kingdom from the late-1400s when Duarte Pacheco Pereira went there to see the king, the city, the moat, etc.

Cc: Abohboy.
. .

Saw Ijebu what in 1400s, why do you LIE more than SATAN?
Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by TAO12: 9:52pm On Aug 28, 2021
KingOKON:
by the epithet “ibi ojumo ti n mo wa” (i.e the place from whence the dawn comes)

.......Is this Yoruba or what
Ibi ojúmọ́ ti ń mọ́ wá” is of course how Yorubas say: the place from where dawn [sun-rise] comes.

Please translate that into Bini language for me so I can appreciate the precise wordings used by Benin ọbas when they were establishing a daily link between IFE (in particular and Yorubaland in general) AND dawn/sun-rise.

Thanks!
Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by TAO12: 9:52pm On Aug 28, 2021
KingOKON:
Saw Ijebu what in 1400s, why do you LIE more than SATAN?
More reasons why you must read a book.

Thanks for exposing yourself.

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