TAO12:
More reasons why you must read a book.

Thanks for exposing yourself.

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BobRISKY give me one book where the Ijebus met the Portuguese or link, and the same Ijebus NEVER told them( Portuguese) about an Immortal "eyes never see king" only the Oba that has no link with Yorubas did?

When your head is cleared from whatever you are smoking, read your two submissions on Oghene below, hopefully you and your supporters will see how delusional you are.

In your corrupted Benin mythology below, you agreed that Oghene is the almighty God that created heaven and earth. In your second post you contradict yourself by saying Oghene is Ooni of Ife.

You are basically equating Ooni to God almighty, the creator. TAO11 are you Okay? Which Benin view your Ooni as God?

Oghene 'n' Uhe simply means god (idol) of Ife people just like Ogun is the god of Iro, sango is the god of thunder and Oluku the goddess of the sea. Your Ooni was just a chief priest of Idols.

In the Benin original etymology:

Ife/uhe is not mentioned.

The entire world was filled with water, every human being were in heaven. God almighty ogiene (king of the four elements of life), or Oghene-osa decided to send his children in heaven down to earth, he asked them to choose from certain objects they are going to use when they get to earth. Every other child chose something else, it was only the first Ogiso or Oba of Benin that chose a snail shell containing earth or sand.

When all Oghene children got to earth filled with water, they were all stuck in their canoes with no place to land, then the Ogiso or Oba of Benin poured the contents of his snail shell on a spot which is present day Benin, hence the saying in Benin that Edo orisiagbo (Benin or Edo is the center of the world, where everything on earth began), it's also why early Benin believe that Oba of Benin owns all land on earth.

From the location in Benin where the sand was poured on water, the entire earth began, hence the saying that all other inhabitants are tenants to the Oba of Benin, this is the believe the Benin warrior carry with them when they ventured out to conquered other rulers and collect tributes to the Oba of Benin.

All these changed in 1897 when the British conquered Benin and Yoruba invaded Benin history and began to change the stories in their favour.

Even till today, the words

1. Edo orisiagbon (Benin is the centre of the world/earth) where everything began remains in Benin language and lexicon.

2. Oba niaotor se evbebo (Oba owns all land to Europe and beyond) remains in Benin language and lexicon. Such was the audacity of early Benin that when they first came in contact with early Europeans, they still declared that the Oba of Benin owns all land to Europe and beyond.

Your proximity to Benin from your town in Delta state is too close not to have heard any of these.

My point 2 above is a prove that when Benin came into contact with the white man in the 1400s and declared the white man land as belonging to the Oba of Benin, Benin haven't yet made contact with Ife. If Benin could declare the white man's land as belonging to the Oba of Benin, who was the Ooni or Ife that couldn't be declared Oba of Benin property.

If Benin have such veneration for Ife and Ooni before 1897, why will early Benin declare that the world began in Benin and Oba of Benin owns all land, words we still use till today.

Are you not aware that early Oba of Benin ceded all water body such as the sea, ocean, river etc to the Ogiamen or the nana or Olu of Warri.

Before 1897 the Benin people believe Oba of Benin owns everything, so much so the sea and ocean was ceded to the Olu of Warri. Ogiamen in Benin means king of all the waters on earth.

TAO11:


Actually they have a number of conflicting creation myths.

One of them --- with the title "Iso Norho" --- specifically mentions Ife as the center of the world from where Edo, Ijaw, and Igbo left to their present location.

It talks about pouring sand over the primordial water-filled earth, about chain from heaven, etc. very similar to the Yoruba creation myth.

I will cite reference to it soon.

Modified --- see below as promised:

"The myth of the pouring sky ("Iso Norho" )

The most popular surviving non-dynastic myth of a common Edo origin is that of Iso Norho, ... .It puts the emergence of the Benin and other -speaking people in a primordial centre, Uhe, a place where problems are heaped before Oghene --- the God of creation --- ... .Uhe is said to have been occupied by Olukumi ("Yoruba" ), Igbon ("Igbo" ) and Uzon ("Ijo" ).

The myth begins by naming Oghene ( God" ) as the father of Iso ("the Sky" ), Ason ("Night" ) and Avan ("Daylight" ). Out of the three children of Oghene, only the eldest son, Iso ("Sky" ), had children; Ame ("Water" ) and Oto ("Earth" ). The children of Oto were Igbon ("Igbo" ), Olukumi ("Yoruba " and Idu ("Edo ". ... .But Oghene did not want the children to suffer undue hardship. By means of a chain he poured sand on the flood water to form dry land for their inhabitants. Thus Uhe ("i.e. old Ife" ) was formed by divine ("Oghene's" ) providence. ...

Idu's children ("Akka, Efa, Emechi" ) had to migrate from Uhe to the present site of Benin City --- then called Ubinu --- where they displaced a group of original settlers, Ivbirinwineko ("dwarfs from the spirit world" ). Memories of these original settlers are preserved in Edo songs and folklore."

Reference:
Roger Blench and Matthew Spriggs: Archaeology and Language I: Theoretical and Methodological Orientations, Taylor & Francis e-Library, 2004, pp.312-313.

TAO12:
Lol. You’re clearly not familiar with this discussion and the primary sources. Let me break it down.

Yes the Portuguese made contacts with Benin in the late-1400s/early-1500s.

Yes they reported in their writings that they were told about the most powerful monarch — whom they (the Portuguese) transcribed as Ogané and as Hooguanee.

The Bini informants also gave them some descriptions of practices at Oghene’s court among other details.

Yes the same original Bini word (Oghene) is also used for “God” among some Edoid groups.

But the word (Oghene) flowed from the Bini to these Edoid groups; and it is originally a title of the Ooni of Ife whom the Binis of old viewed as some kind of God.

Hence the incorporation of the title Oghoni (classical Yoruba) — Oghene in Bini — as an attribute of Osa.

See the dictionary of the Bini language attached below.

Cc: Abohboy

TAO12:
“Ibi ojúmọ́ ti ń mọ́ wá” is of course how Yorubas say: “the place from where dawn [sun-rise] comes”.

Please translate that into Bini language for me so I can appreciate the precise wordings by the Benin ọbas when they were establishing a daily link between IFE (in particular and Yorubaland in general) AND dawn/sun-rise.

Thanks!

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Did the Oba speak in Yoruba to the Portuguese or in Bini?

“Ibi ojúmọ́ ti ń mọ́ wá” is of course how Yorubas say: “the place from where dawn [sun-rise] comes”.

Please translate that into Bini language for me so I can appreciate the precise wordings by the Benin ọbas when they were establishing a daily link between IFE (in particular and Yorubaland in general) AND dawn/sun-rise.

Thanks!

KingOKON:
Did the Oba speak in Yoruba to the Portuguese or in Bini?

Do the ‘early’ Europeans communicate with the ‘early’ Africans? Yes.

OKONgo’s reaction: Never! They don’t even speak the same LaNgAgE.

Me: Okay.

samuk:
[s]When your head is cleared from whatever you are smoking, read your two submissions on Oghene below, hopefully you and your supporters will see how delusional you are.

In your corrupted Benin mythology below, you agreed that Oghene is the almighty God that created heaven and earth. In your second post you contradict yourself by saying Oghene is Ooni of Ife.

You are basically equating Ooni to God almighty, the creator. TAO11 are you Okay? Which Benin view your Ooni as God?

Oghene 'n' Uhe simply means god (idol) of Ife people just like Ogun is the god of Iro, sango is the god of thunder and Oluku the goddess of the sea. Your Ooni was just a chief priest of Idols.[/s]

It is not my fault that your ancestors took the Ooni of Ife as some God and incorporated same into your Bini mythology.

Channel your energy to summoning the spirit of your ancestors.

Plus, see your Benin dictionary as attached

Peace!

KingOKON:
.BobRISKY give me one book where the Ijebus met the Portuguese or link, and the same Ijebus NEVER told them( Portuguese) about an Immortal "eyes never see king" only the Oba that has no link with Yorubas did

Now you’re ready to read a book?

TAO12:
It is not my fault that your ancestors took the Ooni of Ife as some God and incorporated same into your Bini mythology.

Channel your energy into summoning the spirit of ya ancestors.

Peace!

You are now beginning to see the foolishness in your arguments.

For your information:

Oghene 'n' Uhe simply means god (idol) of Ife people just like Ogun is the god of Iro, sango is the god of thunder and Oluku the goddess of the sea. Your Ooni was just a chief priest of Idols.

Ife and Ooni was nothing more than an Oracle that people went to consult, there were and still are many of such Oracles around.

samuk:
[s]You are now beginning to see the foolishness in your arguments.[/s]

You’re angry that you’re been flogged with facts.

What else can you do apart from being angry?

Well, you can accept facts and move on, or reject it and stay deluded.

You’ve been leaning towards the second option for years now. Will you someday wake up? May be!

Nothing is impossible for God.

[s]For your information:

Oghene 'n' Uhe simply means god (idol) of Ife people just like Ogun is the god of Iro, sango is the god of thunder and Oluku the goddess of the sea. Your Ooni was just a chief priest of Idols.

Ife and Ooni was nothing more than an Oracle that people went to consult, there were and still are many of such Oracles.[/s]

For your information, your Bini ancestors regard the Ooni as some God.

Proof:
The Dictionary of Bini Language attached below says that ɔɣɛnɛ [ọghẹnẹ] is God and also “Bini name for the Ooni at Ile Ife.”

The authoritative lexicon also continues to add that: “ɔɣɛnɛ … cf. Yor. ɔɔni”.

In other words, the Bini word ɔɣɛnɛ [ọghẹnẹ] actually derives from the Yoruba ‘name’ Ooni.

Get a grip. ✌

TAO12:
“Ibi ojúmọ́ ti ń mọ́ wá” is of course how Yorubas say: “the place from where dawn [sun-rise] comes”.

Please translate that into Bini language for me so I can appreciate the precise wordings by the Benin ọbas when they were establishing a daily link between IFE (in particular and Yorubaland in general) AND dawn/sun-rise.

Thanks!

Do the ‘early’ Europeans communicate with the ‘early’ Africans? Yes.

OKONgo’s reaction: Never! They don’t even speak the same LaNgAgE.

Me: Okay.

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So you interpreted what the Oba told the Portuguese to Yoruba and now fine tuned to suit your imaginary WEED smoking "eyes dare not see" King and have the audacity to tell us that the Portuguese that heard directly from the king did not understand what the king said but you and your gang of village wannabes historian heard and understand better than the Portuguese hundred of years ago via using the Yoruba language

It is not just WEED you smoke, come lemme slap the demon disturbing you also

TAO12:
You’re angry that you’re been flogged with facts.

What else can you do apart from being angry?

Well, you can accept facts and move on, or reject it and stay deluded.

You’ve been leaning towards the second option for years now. Will you someday wake up? May be!

Nothing is impossible for God.

For your information, your Bini ancestors regard the Ooni as some God.

Proof:
The Dictionary of Bini Language attached below says that ɔɣɛnɛ [ọghẹnẹ] is God and also “Bini name for the Ooni at Ile Ife.”

The authoritative lexicon also continues to add that: “ɔɣɛnɛ … cf. Yor. ɔɔni”.

In other words, the Bini word ɔɣɛnɛ [ọghẹnẹ] actually derives from the Yoruba ‘name’ Ooni.

Get a grip. ✌

The Yoruba have been writing themselves into Benin history since 1897. Between 1897 and 1960 was particularly terrible. Go to Warri and tell them your Ooni is their God.

Below is the definition of Oghene before the Yoruba corrupted the Benin source.

Cghene, or Oghene, is the supreme god of the Urhobo and Isoko people in southern Nigeria. He is believed to have created the world and all peoples. Oghene is beyond human comprehension and is only known by his actions. Because the god is so distant and unknown, he has no temples or priests and no prayers or sacrifices are offered directly to him.

Oghene has a courier named Oyise, who is referred to as uko Oghene or "messenger of Oghene". Through Oyise, Oghene can be invoked in case of calamity or need.

KingOKON:
[s]So you interpreted what the Oba told the Portuguese to Yoruba and now fine tuned to suit your imaginary WEED smoking "eyes dare not see" King and have the audacity to tell us that the Portuguese that heard directly from the king did not understand what the king said but you and your gang of village wannabes historian heard and understand better than the Portuguese hundred of years ago via using the Yoruba language
It is not just WEED you smoke, come lemme slap the demon disturbing you also[/s]

You try. In fact, you deserve a consolation prize.

However, your obas must on a daily basis establish the reverential connection between IFE (and Yoruba-land in general) AND dawn/sunrise.

Why?

Because IFE is known [from Atakpame on the extreme west to Benin kingdom on the extreme right; and from Lagos on the extreme south to Oyo-Ile on the extreme north] by the reverential epithet of:

The place from where dawn [sun-rise] comes.

Read a book today, and see below for your consolation prize.

Peace.

TAO12:
You’re angry that you’re been flogged with facts.

What else can you do apart from being angry?

Well, you can accept facts and move on, or reject it and stay deluded.

You’ve been leaning towards the second option for years now. Will you someday wake up? May be!

Nothing is impossible for God.

For your information, your Bini ancestors regard the Ooni as some God.

Proof:
The Dictionary of Bini Language attached below says that ɔɣɛnɛ [ọghẹnẹ] is God and also “Bini name for the Ooni at Ile Ife.”

The authoritative lexicon also continues to add that: “ɔɣɛnɛ … cf. Yor. ɔɔni”.

In other words, the Bini word ɔɣɛnɛ [ọghẹnẹ] actually derives from the Yoruba ‘name’ Ooni.

Get a grip. ✌

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Yoruba name or Latinized name, omo see craze a name that has 3 different meaning you go fear Yoruba SPIN Doctors.
Plz I want to see where Ijebu Chief met Europeans in 1400, no be small thing imagine?

TAO12:
You try. In fact, you deserve a consolation prize.

However, your obas must on a daily basis establish the reverential connection between IFE (and Yoruba-land in general) AND dawn/rise.

Why?

Because IFE is known [from Atakpame on the extreme west to Benin kingdom on the extreme right; and from Lagos on the extreme south to Oyo on the extreme north] by the reverential epithet of

The place from where dawn [sun-rise] comes.

Read a book today, and see below for your consolation prize.

Peace.

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Book written by BobRISKY shey

KingOKON:
Yoruba name or Latinized name, omo see craze a name that has 3 different meaning you go fear Yoruba SPIN Doctors.

I am not a dictionary of Bini language which says the original meaning (i.e. etymology) comes from the Yoruba word.

Hold it up against your language not me.

Plz I want to see where Ijebu Chief met Europeans in 1400, no be small thing imagine

And I asked if you’ve searched your heart to confirm that you’re now ready to read a book.

KingOKON:
Book written by BobRISKY shey

I know when I’ve knocked you down — i.e. Even your pseudo-intelligent replies cease.

One man down on the Bini side.

samuk:
[s]The Yoruba have been writing themselves into Benin history since 1897. Between 1897 and 1960 was particularly terrible. Go to Warri and tell them your Ooni is their God.

Below is the definition of Oghene before the Yoruba corrupted the Benin source.

Cghene, or Oghene, is the supreme god of the Urhobo and Isoko people in southern Nigeria. He is believed to have created the world and all peoples. Oghene is beyond human comprehension and is only known by his actions. Because the god is so distant and unknown, he has no temples or priests and no prayers or sacrifices are offered directly to him.

Oghene has a courier named Oyise, who is referred to as uko Oghene or "messenger of Oghene". Through Oyise, Oghene can be invoked in case of calamity or need.[/s]

Your dictionary of Bini language was not written by Yorubas.

So, your pleading falls flat on its nose. Next.

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My Earlier Repy Stands:
For your information, your Bini ancestors regard the Ooni as some God.

Proof:
The Dictionary of Bini Language attached below says that ɔɣɛnɛ [ọghẹnẹ] is God and also “Bini name for the Ooni at Ile Ife.”

The authoritative lexicon also continues to add that: “ɔɣɛnɛ … cf. Yor. ɔɔni”.

In other words, the Bini word ɔɣɛnɛ [ọghẹnẹ] actually derives from the Yoruba ‘name’ Ooni.

Get a grip. ✌

TAO12:
You’re angry that you’re been flogged with facts.

What else can you do apart from being angry?

Well, you can accept facts and move on, or reject it and stay deluded.

You’ve been leaning towards the second option for years now. Will you someday wake up? May be!

Nothing is impossible for God.

For your information, your Bini ancestors regard the Ooni as some God.

Proof:
The Dictionary of Bini Language attached below says that ɔɣɛnɛ [ọghẹnẹ] is God and also “Bini name for the Ooni at Ile Ife.”

The authoritative lexicon also continues to add that: “ɔɣɛnɛ … cf. Yor. ɔɔni”.

In other words, the Bini word ɔɣɛnɛ [ọghẹnẹ] actually derives from the Yoruba ‘name’ Ooni.

Get a grip. ✌

When is the earliest reference to Ooni, I am sure the word or title Ooni didn't even exist in ancient times. Show us prove of when it entered Yoruba lexicon.

TAO12:
Your dictionary of Bini language was not written by Yorubas.

So, your pleading falls flat on its nose. Next.

Everything Benin that was written between 1897 and 1960 had Yoruba input. This was the days of western region, Yoruba was heavily involved in trying to Yorubanised the entire western region.

samuk:
When is the earliest reference to Ooni, I am sure the word or title Ooni didn't even exist in ancient times. Show us prove of when it entered Yoruba lexicon.

When it was first uttered from the lips of Yorubas or when it was first written down by the Yorubas?

And how should that help you with the following?:

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Your Bini ancestors regard the Ooni as some God.

Proof:
The Dictionary of Bini Language attached below says that ɔɣɛnɛ [ọghẹnẹ] is God and also “Bini name for the Ooni at Ile Ife.”

The authoritative lexicon also continues to add that: “ɔɣɛnɛ … cf. Yor. ɔɔni”.

In other words, the Bini word ɔɣɛnɛ [ọghẹnẹ] actually derives from the Yoruba ‘name’ Ooni.

TAO12:
I am not a dictionary of Bini language which says the original meaning (i.e. etymology) comes from the Yoruba word.

Hold it up against your language not me.

And I asked if you’ve searched your heart to confirm that you’re now ready to read a book.

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How many meaning has the word KING OBA OBONG SHEHU etc ?

Make I see the Ijebu man that controls port give me the book

KingOKON:
[s]How many meaning has the word KING OBA OBONG SHEHU etc ?[/s]

Type your question in English. In other words, make your question make sense.

Make I see the Ijebu man that controls port give me the book

Unless you promise me to have now agree to read a book. Otherwise, you ain’t getting sh*t.

Peace!

We’re talking here of your own Benin Dictionary.

Dictionary of Bini Language by H. Melzian, University of London.

Published by Kegan Paul, Trench, Trubner & Co Ltd.

You are clinically deluded. Delusions can not get huger than this, lad. Or can it?

samuk:
[s]Everything Benin that was written between 1897 and 1960 had Yoruba input. This was the days of western region, Yoruba was heavily involved in trying to Yorubanised the entire western region.[/s]

This is capital letter CRAP!

Prove your self-consoling assumption with the specific facts that says so.

You can’t simply pull sh*t out of your anus and expect it to be accepted because you’re obese. Haha.

Peace!

TAO12:
I know when I’ve knocked you down — i.e. Even your pseudo-intelligent replies cease.

One man down on the Bini side.

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Your mouth run faster than your brain

KingOKON:
Your mouth run faster than your brain

Thanks for proving that you’re incapable of mustering an intelligent reply in relation to the subject at hand.

TAO12:
Type your question in English. In other words, make your question make sense.

Unless you promise me to have now agree to read a book. Otherwise, you ain’t getting sh*t.

Peace!

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Shit is when you LIE more than the DEVIL!
where is your Ijebu KING that couldn't tell the Europeans of an immortal King in 1400 but the Oba of the Benin Empire did?

TAO12:
We’re talking here of your own Benin Dictionary.

Dictionary of Bini Language by H. Melzian, University of London.

Published by Kegan Paul, Trench, Trubner & Co Ltd.

You are clinically deluded. Delusions can not get huger than this, lad. Or can it?

This is capital letter CRAP!

Prove your self-consoling assumption with the specific facts that says so.

You can’t simply pull sh*t out of your anus and expect it to be accepted because you’re obese. Haha.

Peace!

No, you are the deluded one. That dictionary has 3 meanings for Ogene.

1. Supreme God when Ogene is joined with Osa as in Ogene-osa.

2. Name of Ooni of Ife

3. A piece of kola

The dictionary clearly make the distinctions as seen above. Ogene in that dictionary only means God when Osa is added as in Ogene-osa, not on it's own, on it's own it either means Ooni or a piece of kola, it doesn't mean God. On it's own Ogene or Ooni means a piece of kola not God

Anyone familiar with the dictionary knows that a word could have different meanings in the dictionary.

Go back and read the dictionary when you are sober, not everyone is as gullible as you and your followers.

You thought, you got away with this. You have been caught red handed again.

According to the Benin dictionary you presented your Ooni means a piece of kola, not even a full one.

samuk:


Everything Benin that was written between 1897 and 1960 had Yoruba input. This was the days of western region, Yoruba was heavily involved in trying to Yorubanised the entire western region.

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It was Awolowo, nothing of whatsoever linked Benin with Ife rather Ondo and most coastal communities down to EKO all answered to the OBA

KingOKON:
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It was Awolowo, nothing of whatsoever linked Benin with Ife rather Ondo and most coastal communities down to EKO all answered to the OBA

You are right. The so called Ife kingdom only exists on paper, outside few Bronzes that were discovered there, nothing else.

Oh okay, I get. You’re not sure if you will read a book. No problem. It’s a Bini thing. We continue here.

KingOKON:
[s]Shit is when you LIE more than the DEVIL!
where is your Ijebu KING that couldn't tell the Europeans of an immortal King in 1400 but the Oba of the Benin Empire did?[/s]

And who said he didn’t? Olodo.

To educate you (only that you won’t read) in the late-1400s alone, two different Portuguese got these information about the Ogané & Hooguanee.

Of these the two Portuguese, one reached both Benin city as well as the capital city of Ijebu in the late 1400s.

The reports were published in the early 1500s and mid-1500s (Hooguanee and Ogané respectively).

Moreover, others (such as the Spanish, et al. followed in subsequent centuries) to obtain some information about this powerful monarch who overlords Benin, et al. and their kings.



Cheers!

samuk:
[s]No, you are the deluded one. That dictionary has 3 meanings for Ogene.

1. Supreme God when Ogene is joined with Osa as in Ogene-osa.

2. Name of Ooni of Ife

3. A piece of kola

The dictionary clearly make the distinctions as seen above. Ogene in that dictionary only means God when Osa is added as in Ogene-osa, not on it's own, on it's own it either means Ooni or a piece of kola, it doesn't mean God. On it's own Ogene or Ooni mean a piece of kola not God

Anyone familiar with the dictionary knows that a word could have different meanings in the dictionary.

Go back and read the dictionary when you are sober, not everyone is as gullible as you and your followers.

You thought, you got away with this. You have been caught red handed again.[/s]

Deluded people usually don’t agree with everyone else in the world. It must be that there is conspiracy against them or something. So get a grip. You are plain deluded.

Now to the word and the definitions as given by your own dictionary.

The Benin dictionary did two things:
(A) It gave the three (3) definitions of the Bini word “oghene” (in order of popularity of usage) and the 2nd of which is the King of Ife.

(B) It also gave the etymology of the word “oghene”, viz. oghene comes from the Yoruba word Ooni.

You exhibit all attributes of delusions. You are healed today in the name of whatever you believe in, Amen!

TAO12:
Oh okay, I get. You’re not sure if you will read a book. No problem. It’s a Bini thing. We continue here.

And who said he didn’t? Olodo.

To educate you (only that you won’t read) in the late-1400s alone, two different Portuguese got these information about the Ogané & Hooguanee.

Of these the two Portuguese, one reached both Benin city as well as the capital city of Ijebu in the late 1400s.

The reports were published in the early 1500s and mid-1500s (Hooguanee and Ogané respectively).

Moreover, others (such as the Spanish, et al. followed in subsequent centuries) to obtain some information about this powerful monarch who overlords Benin, et al. and their kings.



Cheers!

Not matter what you write East will always be East, it can never become West as you which. You dictionary definition of Ogene is on fire, go back and read it and this ensure you fully understand what you read before rushing out with a reply.

samuk:
You are right. The so called Ife kingdom only exists on paper, outside few Bronzes that were discovered there, nothing else.

Show me one Benin bronze that matches an Ife bronzes in beauty. Bring one from Benin, I’d bring one from Ife. Deal?

Show me anywhere (except Ife) in the whole of black Africa where primary glass was ever manufactured in classical times.

Shown me the place (except Ife) in the whole of the Guinea where other West-Africans (from BurkinaFaso, Timbuktu, et al.) ever regard as the greatest.

It must be Awolowo causing all this? Do you agree you’re deluded or you still don’t agree?

Peace!