adisaaowala:


Baba, the truth is that this is a conversation most peeps here arent ready for.

If we remove his goals/assist from setplay and carefully assess his contribution to our overall play ehn....

Make i just stop here sha

Let's just be watching

TheLequte:


Exactly

He ridiculed me cos I said Greenwood would be phenomenal for us if managed well. I listed his abilities and even posted a video.


The day Greenwood score hattrick ehn…dem go hear am

I remember that time now. I said Greenwood was already the best finisher and people were laughing until Amaka himself said it sometime later.

What was funny was that people who had never seen him play were ready to argue while having zero knowledge of the subject matter.

Someone that at age 16 had already deciphered the secret of finishing like Darth Plagueis. Barring catastrophic injury the number of goals he will score is dem booku.

96forever:
Isn’t VdB supposed to be good at that? I mean keeping the ball?

VDB doesn’t keep the ball.

96forever:
Isn’t VdB supposed to be good at that? I mean keeping the ball?

The Coach doesn't want to keep the ball. Maybe he doesn't trust VDB physicality, I'm not sure what the problem is. VDB should be able to play Kroos role. Stay close to the DM or CDM and occasionally find some great passes. Pogba should not be the one doing this

96forever:
What does Bruno do to others?


You really believe this? He was benched cause they were getting destroyed with a double pivot consisting of those slow mfs, they had to switch to a three to tighten up and Renato Sanches is better at a 3 than Bruno.

Is Bruno not part of the 3? Bruno is not a forward, he is an AMF whose responsibility it is to link the midfield and attack.

What he does to others? Have a go at them for not playing well. Bruno loses possession way too many times even for an AMF. His theatrics is another thing entirely. If Lindelof was the culprit for that Sotton goal, Bruno would have had a go at him.

patrickmuf:
That's why I argued the other day that Rodri will look average in our system whist Fred will look world class in that Man City set up...We rush passes as if we are a relegation threatened team.

Rodri would have been thrown to the bench. Fred will bench him in this out setup

patrickmuf:
We will have to talk about Bruno away from his goals and assist at some point...

what else is his job?

adisaaowala:


Baba, the truth is that this is a conversation most peeps here arent ready for.

If we remove his goals/assist from setplay and carefully assess his contribution to our overall play ehn....

Make i just stop here sha

I dont understand what you mean by carefully assess his contribution and remove goals/assists from setplays?
Bruno doesn't take corner kicks, and he rarely takes far distance freekicks shaw takes most, the only free kick he takes are ones he has a chance of converting from close range, its only penalties that boasts his G/A stats from setplays. He is the best in both close range FKs and PKs, so how is that a negative for him.

If Patrick is saying Bruno should tone down his hunger for his G/A number to help out in midfield fine, and it is in good faith. You are sounding as if Bruno is a passenger and those his contributions are worthless, when infact we are having this conversation because those saddled with the responsibility of holding their forth in Midfield failed in their duty. In 10/11 Season it was Carrick and Giggs that held the Midfiled for most of the season with aplomb, no one is slandering Rooney's G/A record, because Bruno is occupying the Rooneyesque position.

In France Pogba is flourishing because Kante is a tank and he is good on the ball, alowwing Greizman to join the attack and drop deep occasionally, thats exactly what Ole asked Bruno to do. Our First goal versus Leads clearly showed that, also last season away to Leicester and numerous more. Why should you assess Bruno's contribution and chalk out his G/A record from set plays because our DM and CM are incapable? The conversation you should be making seriously was why Moutinho and Neves ran rings all over pogba and Fred not Bruno who is trying to score and win the game. Moreover Bruno have not scored any goal from set play this season so why the scrutiny on him

TheLequte:


VDB doesn’t keep the ball.

You talking about his quick "make e no spoil for my hand" passes?

patrickmuf:
What Bruno does to others...

Bruno was relegated to the bench in the Euros because he was not in sync with CR7. He was supposed to be their creative outlet but he left the job for Carvalho and the other guy.

So, you’re saying Bruno was benched at the Euros because he wasn’t in sync with Ronaldo - not for any other reason- and that he’ll be benched at Man Itd because he won’t be in sync with Ronaldo?

Who in the past wasn’t in sync with Ronaldo and got benched as a result? And how did Bruno bench other people because they weren’t in sync with him? You said it’s what Bruno does to other people too.

Please explain. I just want to understand.

eph12:

The Coach doesn't want to keep the ball. Maybe he doesn't trust VDB physicality, I'm not sure what the problem is. VDB should be able to play Kroos role. Stay close to the DM or CDM and occasionally find some great passes. Pogba should not be the one doing this

VdB to play Kroos role? How many times have you seen VdB turn with the ball or ping long range passes? My man is always acting like a wall and treating the ball like lava.

ChristineC:
what else is his job?

Was David Silva all about goals and assist? Check other renowned attacking midfielders. Bruno should do more to link the midfield and attack. A simple pass sometimes to retain possession will do...

I am not blinded by stats...

eph12:

You talking about his quick "make e no spoil for my hand" passes?

He generally doesn’t hold on to the ball to create chances with his passes.

CapitalCee:


Varane is a world class defender

No doubt. The first thing is that he won't have the confidence issues that Lindelof often has since he is used to high pressure encounters from his Madrid days.

I really hope he delivers cos he has been my favorite CB for the last decade.

TheLequte:


So, you’re saying Bruno was benched at the Euros because he wasn’t in sync with Ronaldo - not for any other reason- and that he’ll be benched at Man Itd because he won’t be in sync with Ronaldo?

Who in the past wasn’t in sync with Ronaldo and got benched as a result? And how did Bruno bench other people because they weren’t in sync with him? You said it’s what Bruno does to other people too.

Please explain. I just want to understand.

You are trying to twist my point for whatever reason.

I said Bruno didn't interpret his role on the pitch to perfection or t a level desired hence he was benched...With Ronaldo, Bruno will have to play more as the attacking midfielder that he is else Ronaldo will end up frustrated...

patrickmuf:
They're issues we have identified on these board with a lot of our players yet they remain issues. VDB for instance.

I don't think Ole is even aware it's an issue talk less of it being a tactical instruction...

Wahala dey be that.

With VDB though i noticed he reduced his off the ball runs towards the end of last season and during preseason. He started functioning more as a CM which is what we asked for.

The guy bulked up and made changes to his game, impressed in pre-season but still the manager is yet to give him any minutes. Only Amaka can explain that one.

olabode89:


VdB to play Kroos role? How many times have you seen VdB turn with the ball or ping long range passes? My man is always acting like a wall and treating the ball like lava.

LMAO na make e no spoil for e hand. I think that's down to confidence. But VDB does this before he joined na. Let's forget about pinging long range passes. He can hold his balls and release to those who can do that like Pogba

patrickmuf:
Was David Silva all about goals and assist? Check other renowned attacking midfielders. Bruno should do more to link the midfield and attack. A simple pass sometimes to retain possession will do...

I am not blinded by stats...

we could have retained Pereira then..
besides, one of the stats that doesn't blind says Bruno has covered the most pitch area in Man United since his debut.. even more than Fred.

TheLequte:


He generally doesn’t hold on to the ball to create chances with his passes.

Create chances ke? It's just to keep possession. The openings to create chances will come eventually and he will make those passes

afrodoc2:


I remember that time now. I said Greenwood was already the best finisher and people were laughing until Amaka himself said it sometime later.

What was funny was that people who had never seen him play were ready to argue while having zero knowledge of the subject matter.

Someone that at age 16 had already deciphered the secret of finishing like Darth Plagueis. Barring catastrophic injury the number of goals he will score is dem booku.

I am sure only few players at the club can score from the angle he did yesterday. The ball went in because of the way he hit it. It was a well measured parabolic shot. If not the keeper would’ve stopped it totally.

Did you see that shot he hit with his left that the keeper saved with the tips of his fingers? It was destined to go in. Greenwood protested but the ref said it was a GK. On replay it was clearly not a GK.

That boy. He knew what he did there.

No one should argue about his finishing skills.

TheLequte:


VDB doesn’t keep the ball.

What’s VdB’s position in the team then? Cause judging by the latest happenings Lingard seems to be preferred in the Attacking role ahead of him.

CapitalCee:


I dont understand what you mean by carefully assess his contribution and remove goals/assists from setplays?
Bruno doesn't take corner kicks, and he rarely takes far distance freekicks shaw takes most, the only free kick he takes are ones he has a chance of converting from close range, its only penalties that boasts his G/A stats from setplays. He is the best in both close range FKs and PKs, so how is that a negative for him.

If Patrick is saying Bruno should tone down his hunger for his G/A number to help out in midfield fine, and it is in good faith. You are sounding as if Bruno is a passenger and those his contributions are worthless, when infact we are having this conversation because those saddled with the responsibility of holding their forth in Midfield failed in their duty. In 10/11 Season it was Carrick and Giggs that held the Midfiled for most of the season with aplomb, no one is slandering Rooney's G/A record, because Bruno is occupying the Rooneyesque position.

In France Pogba is flourishing because Kante is a tank and he is good on the ball, alowwing Greizman to join the attack and drop deep occasionally, thats exactly what Ole asked Bruno to do. Our First goal versus Leads clearly showed that, also last season away to Leicester and numerous more. Why should you assess Bruno's contribution and chalk out his G/A record from set plays because our DM and CM are incapable? The conversation you should be making seriously was why Moutinho and Neves ran rings all over pogba and Fred not Bruno who is trying to score and win the game. Moreover Bruno have not scored any goal from set play this season so why the scrutiny on him

This is what we expected to see yesterday.

............................Bruno................................
..............Moutinho......Neves.......................
..............Pogba............Fred...... ...................

If Bruno had occupied that position illustrated above, no way will Neves and Mourinho have the freedom to dictate the play. Bruno left that position and it became a 2 vs 2 midfield battle when in all honesty it was supposed to be 2 vs 3 in midfield.

ChristineC:
we could have retained Pereira then..
besides, one of the stats that doesn't blind says Bruno has covered the most pitch area in Man United since his debut.. even more than Fred.

Positional discipline...

ChristineC:
what else is his job?

I tire o.

Remove goals and assists, what of chances created and big chances created.

We should go back to Mata and Lingard.

afrodoc2:

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Wahala dey be that.

With VDB though i noticed he reduced his off the ball runs towards the end of last season and during preseason. He started functioning more as a CM which is what we asked for.

The guy bulked up and made changes to his game, impressed in pre-season but still the manager is yet to give him any minutes. Only Amaka can explain that one.

VDB should ask to leave, Ole has no use for him.

adisaaowala:


Baba, the truth is that this is a conversation most peeps here arent ready for.

If we remove his goals/assist from setplay and carefully assess his contribution to our overall play ehn....

Make i just stop here sha

Please do!

This Bruno slander is outrageous. My man is bursting his body playing his heart out for the team and you guys are trying to push some flimsy agenda against him.

Please take away his Pks and assists from setplays and let's see if anyone apart from maybe Rashford will come close to him in that team. People fail to notice that in our system Bruno is practically a forward and is regularly involved with our forward press.

Also, have we not been complaining about playing two CMs in the pivot that are not vital in our attack play? Why do we need Bruno to help "combat" other midfielders especially when we play against other teams that utilizes 2 CMs like us.

Lastly the age of having an AM that link the midfield and attack is fast eroding, most teams build up play with their full backs/wing backs, wingers and deep lying playmaker.

Even Messi comes into the midfield to help out, but but

eph12:

You answered me here. I'm not sure every other thing is necessary.

However we will be fine when we realize that players are not forbidden to drop into the midfield to steady the ship as it benefits everyone including this star player. Let him be running after imaginary balls in the opposition box when Pogba that should supply him is not finding space

My brother, Pogba is finding it difficult becuase Fred was like Wolves 12th man, he cant find his man, he is clumsy, he is poor on the ball and cant control a bag of cement, and surprisingly he is being dribbled every single time. Put Kante or Carrick there Pogba will flourish ala France. Like I said before we need a goal and Bruno us desperate for that he is our go-to-man, you cant deny that Bruno is a team player. This is wolves oo not Barca or Bayern, we simply need to score and Bruno also have to engage their CBs to discourage them from joining the attack. As good as Greenwood is, he is still inexperienced and leaving him at the mercy of Wolves 3 CBs will not work.

olabode89:


Please do!

This Bruno slander is outrageous. My man is bursting his body playing his heart out for the team and you guys are trying to push some flimsy agenda against him.

Please take away his Pks and assists from setplays and let's see if anyone apart from maybe Rashford will come close to him in that team. People fail to notice that in our system Bruno is practically a forward and is regularly involved with our forward press.

Also, have we not been complaining about playing two CMs in the pivot that are not vital in our attack play? Why do we need Bruno to help "combat" other midfielders especially when we play against other teams that utilizes 2 CMs like us.

Lastly the age of having an AM that link the midfield and attack is fast eroding, most teams build up play with their full backs/wing backs, wingers and deep lying playmaker.

If Bruno is a forward then we need another person in that midfield so Bruno can play his forward. It's that simple

eph12:
Even Messi comes into the midfield to help out, but but

So you have never seen Bruno in midfield??

Midfielders contribute with goals and assists, show me Fred's goal and assists.

Dunno about you guys, but this picture deserves to be framed. Absolute class

CapitalCee:


My brother, Pogba is finding it difficult becuase Fred was like Wolves 12th man, he cant find his man, he is clumsy, he is poor on the ball and cant control a bag of cement, and surprisingly he is being dribbled every single time. Put Kante or Carrick there Pogba will flourish ala France. Like I said before we need a goal and Bruno us desperate for that he is our go-to-man, you cant deny that Bruno is a team player. This is wolves oo not Barca or Bayern, we simply need to score and Bruno also have to engage their CBs to discourage them from joining the attack. As good as Greenwood is, he is still inexperienced and leaving him at the mercy of Wolves 3 CBs will not work.

Fred can't find his man, yet he's top 3 in attempted passes and successful passes. This is a mystery