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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Born2conquer: 7:03am On Aug 31, 2021 |
n3xt:When some of us move on, it is not because we are weak but because we’ve been down that path and we know the resources and effort will probably not amount to anything. Just we wasting extra money to get someone that won’t still end up paying the debt. From police collecting money to track down debtor, To police charging for mobilization, to police not being able to detain more than 48hrs, to lawyer accepting money to charge the case to court, to we waiting forever for court to appoint us a date, bavk and forth. I am now more careful with my resources and more careful with whosoever i sign deals with or give jobs to avoid this heartache 3 Likes |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Nero2424: 7:16am On Aug 31, 2021 |
sonnie10: Yeye Nigerian mentality... a country where everyone drive the same make of vehicle. |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by n3xt(m): 7:29am On Aug 31, 2021 |
Born2conquer: You value your mental health. We are all raised differently though. _________ I'm currently working on a project for a client here. I was done with design since February 2021. We made payment for approval since February or March. We even settled my contact in the civil service with whooping N200k and made some other payments that do not have records. The most interesting part is that this client who's well connected still call me to say "Thank you" for an uncompleted job and he was still showing empathy for the stress the ministry guys are making me to go through over the job. We talk as brothers. He wasn't mad at me because of issues I have no control over. When he decided to prevail on the matter with his connection, even the most dread officers in Lagos State Tax Office and Ministry of Physical Planning delivered what was taking over 5 months to address in less than 4 hours. I think he value his mental health and do all he can to prevent avoidable heartache. 2 Likes |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Nero2424: 7:35am On Aug 31, 2021 |
Born2conquer: Use touts, at the end if he seeks justice for taking matters into your hands he will also face all the hurdles you faced while trying to seek justice in a legal way. 1 Like |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Valuepaints20(m): 7:46am On Aug 31, 2021 |
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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Mup4life: 7:56am On Aug 31, 2021 |
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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by abuiltech(m): 8:08am On Aug 31, 2021 |
n3xt: Pls what can we do to hold everyone accountable, and ensured that neither the buyer nor the seller was shortchanged, at times shit and unforeseen things happen in business world, but it shouldn't amount to fraud, I hope we should all do something as a forum, This is not right, you can't defraud someone and still replying that person with smiley emoji, this is wickedness, We have lot of intellectual here who can help, in any form whether in cash, advice, kind or legal means just to get justice for the victims, if we all build the trust here, we will all benefit, anybody can be the victim tmrw 2 Likes |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by EgunMogaji2: 8:22am On Aug 31, 2021 |
n3xt: Or we’re told to STFU when we offer pointers to avoid future issues. And that post actually garnered tens of likes. Which means that people support “elders” to STFU when they see where something may go wrong. It’s this flying by the seat of the pants that causes issues. Don’t point at elders, it’s the entire village that’s culprit. You are also guilty. Paying part of the door money, though was good PR for you and got you the necessary attaboys, but in my opinion was actually the most ridiculous thing to do in that specific situation. You thought you helped but you didn’t. You kicked the can down the hall to the next customer to deal with. No lessons were learnt and the client still got the shaft. Posts were modified now no database for future potential clients to reference. When did Madam join the forum, is she an elder. I wasn’t there when the deal for the borehole was being made. TwinsKenny is an elder on here just as you are ![]() The party that’s at fault is not me, you or Kenny but the fraudulent (yes I said it) driller. I’ll bet that he doesn’t own any of the drilling equipments but just a barranda cowboy. This is why I only give jobs to actual owner operators. On this tread there’s no such thing as an elder to rescue anyone when shyte hits the fan. Everyone just needs to do the proper due diligence and pray that the contractors are keeping their words. I’m completely flabbergasted at the names and issues coming to me via email for solution to issues. The very pillars of this society. We can only appeal to decency and humanity. You paid Maverick to maintain your sanity and protect your brand. No elder forced you Oga mi. I come in peace. 4 Likes |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by shortgun(m): 8:30am On Aug 31, 2021 |
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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by n3xt(m): 8:40am On Aug 31, 2021 |
Jeff68: I'm very sorry for the late reply. I was swamped with work. I have witnessed the installation of the bio-digester but it was quite a long time now and we've done series of discussion on the system (the pros and cons). I think it's a very cool solution and I'd recommend it. One of the major challenge right now is getting a perfect installer as my verified contact for the installation of the system is unreachable now. What I can do to help is to visit one of his old installations to get his details. I hope that's fine. |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by gbadexy(m): 9:11am On Aug 31, 2021 |
abuiltech:Word! God bless you sir. I particularly liked the part my chairman suggested the use of touts except threat to life or assault may carry a heavy weight. I think there is office of the public defender/ prosecution to waste the person's money and time at a low expense while chances of recovery at the present value is highly possible. Perhaps EFCC may be of use. Knowledgeable people on this may help shed more light. |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by n3xt(m): 9:18am On Aug 31, 2021 |
abuiltech: By keeping track of commitments and using accountability framework and building systems that promotes culture of accountability. - who needs to do what to complete the task at hand. (The plumber needs install new pipes to fix the leaky pipe). - who is ultimately accountable for the completion of the task or deliverable. (The contractor needs to provide 5 length of 2inches pipe and topgit gum that the plumber require to deliver the job). Invariably, the contractor is responsible for delegating the work to the plumber who is responsible for completing it. - who needs to be consulted to tick off the project as completed. (The MEP consultant need to be invited by the contractor to verify the installation and tick it off as completed). He's involved in the specific stage of the project in a consulting and advisory capacity. - who needs to be updated on the progress made so far? (The client/project manager/supervisor needs to be informed at every milestone).. By my training, none of the guys listed above is expected to jump the process. They are to stay accountable to the process and not result. They are encouraged to reward good effort and not just the outcome. This is the way to build a culture of respect and accountability. Following this very simple process is tough for most Nigerians. We will rather muddle up the process and start looking for someone to blame or held responsible. ________ Flip over archaic system, not people. Use commonsense, not gra gra. |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by micgray100(m): 9:34am On Aug 31, 2021 |
Born2conquer: Fraudster Borehole guy number... 0803 227 0144....from TWINSKENNY.. |
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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Kentucky404: 9:55am On Aug 31, 2021 |
michlins: Sorry Bro! That's what you get when you try Goodwill with some Alaroro clients. The only Mistake you made is not showing her the front and back of what you intend to do: (constantly) I hope you've learnt your Lesson According to your explanation she choose the design herself My guess : is She probably had a visitor/friend/relative, who told her it should have been cheaper since the back is Plain.. Women & Problem sha ![]() |
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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Kentucky404: 9:58am On Aug 31, 2021 |
michlins: That's your Mistake. You definitely would take a leaf from it for your next job |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by micgray100(m): 9:59am On Aug 31, 2021 |
ELDERS IN THE HOUSE... PLEASE HELP CONTRIBUTE TO THIS ISSUE... I BELIEVE ME AND TWINSKENNY WILL RESPECT YOU ALL ON THIS FORUM... police, tauts or lawyer is not an option for me.. because I will end up spending more... which I don't even have as a civil servant on little salary... Elders please talk to us... Mobilization was of 200k was sent through TWINSKENNY account... I sent the money to him because of the he is also regarded as elder here in the forum... Please Elders... spyder880 N3xt egunmogaji gbadexy rmx kopell |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by micgray100(m): 10:00am On Aug 31, 2021 |
ELDERS IN THE HOUSE... PLEASE HELP CONTRIBUTE TO THIS ISSUE... I BELIEVE ME AND TWINSKENNY WILL RESPECT YOU ALL ON THIS FORUM... police, tauts or lawyer is not an option for me.. because I will end up spending more... which I don't even have as a civil servant on little salary... Elders please talk to us... Mobilization was of 200k was sent through TWINSKENNY account... I sent the money to him because of the he is also regarded as elder here in the forum... Please Elders... spyder880 N3xt egunmogaji gbadexy rmx kopell topsy rottec dfameguy Qsfemi abuiltech kentucky money121 |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by DFAMEGUY11S(m): 10:01am On Aug 31, 2021 |
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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by twinskenny(m): 10:08am On Aug 31, 2021 |
micgray100: With due respect sir. From the beginning you don’t want to take any responsibility at all fine I make mistake by helping you inform of recommending someone to help with your bore hole… what you sent through me has been used by the guy for the purchase of materials and foe the little work they did… I don’t kenos why you are still bringing this up… the matter is at the station already, I show you the receipt of 20k I paid for his tracking… you never one day take the initiative by yourself and look for this guy… you claimed the balance is 100k… I transferred 50k to you paid police 20k… what else do you want me to do? The same guy did my Borelhole and as of today the borehole is no longer working due to the fact that he used a wrong pipe or so… This will be last response on this issue. From day one you were never there or have a representative to monitor them before he packed his stuff and left your site. And I specifically told you don’t allow him to leave with all his equipment back then… 1 Like |
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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by MrOkenwa(m): 10:32am On Aug 31, 2021 |
abuiltech: Always err on the side of caution when dealing with any artisan, irrespective of the positive feedback and recommendations. Escrow services can be adopted in some cases, like sales, supplies. As for artisans and contractors, Maybe forum members with good experience on how best to handle contractor/client cases will have more to write on that. At least, do your due diligence on whoever you want to engage, have your recovery plans in place and watch your back. If by chance the deal goes south, activate your recovery plans. |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Born2conquer: 10:37am On Aug 31, 2021 |
rmx:Chief, i am sorry i took you bavk 2,000naira diesel daily or 2000 litres daily? |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by micgray100(m): 10:49am On Aug 31, 2021 |
twinskenny: LIES... I paid the casing pipe seller myself 100k... your fraudster Borehole guy only added 50k from the 200k to complete the payment of the pipe... I am now thinking TWINSKENNY is part of this fraud.... From the begining the guy visited my site.. I told you and him am a civil servant here in Abuja.. I told you in strong words that I am not on ground.. that all I want is result... I stressed the word... RESULT... before I sent you the money for mobilization.. I told you from the begining I have no business with police.. They even advised you here on the forum that police isn't the right way.. that instead you use the police tracking money to refund me... TWINSKENNY.. Refund my money... 2 Likes |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Badgers14: 10:58am On Aug 31, 2021 |
abuiltech: Lots of this issues can be avoided with proper communication. I have written about this here many times.. when anyone is doing a project, a transaction.. try to keep the other party in the loop.. if you are having any difficulty.. say the person that was supposed to supply cement for the job skipped town and the contractor is trying hard to reach the person while sourcing another avenue... the contractor should inform the client right away of the issue.. don't be surprised sometimes the client can step up and make some phone calls.. or at least they know the state of the affairs on site.. The contractor shouldn't switch off their phone, ignore phone calls then when the client blows up, tell them ehm ehm.. this and. that, at that time, it sounds unbelievable if though that might be true. Also, the client, don't be afraid to ask questions, don't let the contractor or supplier push you to make a decision that doesn't suite you.. ask questions, make sure your all the parties involved have an understanding of what is expected from both parties.. Don't assume the client will pay you 100k on Friday and the balance after the job is done.. get that in writing.. make sure the client knows that.. basically the two parties should have a discussion on how they will handle affairs on site.. and make sure they parties understands the timeliness for the job. Oga contractor, Mr supplier, you know you don't have time for this job , why did you promise the client the job will be done in one week when you know that's not true?? Why would you take money to supply a product that you know you don't have? And don't have a sure plug for source? Why would you use the money paid for a job to take care of your own problems then do the client turn turn while you run around and steal or source materials to finish the job for a client? Mr. Supplier, you know a client paid for 12 pieces of "A".. why supply 10 pieces to him?? Most times it boils down to 2 things 1. Communication 2. Honesty. Again, I can't stress this enough, Mr. Client be proactive on your site, ask questions and ask questions again and make sure you understand, do your research. I once shared a story where a client asked a contractor to knack a better 4 bedroom bungalow for him.. that was the brief. The contractor knacked the bungalow for him according to his own taste ( I assume).. client saw the house, didn't like it.. it doesn't have this it doesn't have that, this was supposed to here, that was supposed to there.. Contractor hin must refund him his money, he built nonsense for him.. My question was, mr.what was your brief? I told him to build a better 4 bedroom bungalow.. and I asked how many rooms did you find there, he said 4 bedroom. Why are you puffing and huffing then? The contractor delivered the brief.. So ask questions, be part of the process, make sure what you asked to be done is what is being done, ask for video updates. Mr. Contractor, before you get creative on a client's project that deviates from the brief, make sure you relay to the client your concern or suggestion. I once contracted someone to do something for me, at a point in the project, the contractor got creative and went off brief.. what did I do, I asked him to knock it down on his own account and redo what I asked him to do.. yep, and zero fùck was given.. not to sound like a hard head but I was really passed off.. I know what I want to be done, I told you what you need to do, and gave you my money. Why change my plans for me?? 3 Likes |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by gbadexy(m): 11:20am On Aug 31, 2021 |
twinskenny:I will respond using this response. It's good you made this clarification. I was of the opinion you weren't doing enough before but since my opinion wasn't sought and not to be chooking mouth in everything as my priority is to be busy marketing my product. I think the intent of both of you differs. You made a referral and accepted for pay payment to be made through you to make mr micgray be at ease. Ideally since the payment was made through you, it's expected that you should take more active role in the process but since you already gave a caveat to ensure mr micgray should make sure the the work is supervised and the advice that the equipment shouldn't be allowed to be moved, you can be absolved to a large extent. I think mr micgray had the intention for twinskenny to be supervisor of the job and didn't take any action to ensure close monitoring of the job since he could always hold twinskenny accountable. Twinskenny has made some effort and made some payment. I think mr micgray should meet him halfway and make some financial sacrifice has twinskenny to did. Twinskenny should try and ensure the borehole guy is apprehended and held accountable. I understand even if the guy is arrested and handed over to mr micgray, there is little much different what he would do to recover the full money. |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by spyder880(m): 12:35pm On Aug 31, 2021 |
micgray100: What can I say now? The mistakes has been made, we trusted someone whom we dont know very well with a clients money and he disappears. Happens all the time, I wont blame Twinskenny too much because he might have done this with his best intentions, he has also offered some refunds and did some leg work. I wont also blame the client too much because he wants to get value for his money. I will like to donate N20,000 towards the resolution of this issue. We might be here all month and still achieve nothing with the back and forth. Lessons are being learnt, we wish to go back to learning and creating more business for all of us. Please advice me on the account details. God will bless all of us. Amen. 17 Likes |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Jeff68: 12:38pm On Aug 31, 2021 |
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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by gabbytabby: 12:43pm On Aug 31, 2021 |
Not everything can be laid bare on a forum like this but the issue with the Maverick matter was that he felt that you should have kept him in the loop on what was really going on as he felt you misrepresented what you were getting for him. Cos I went through a similar issue I knew you did for him the only option available at the time because it was impossible to get the one he wanted unless one has a COfO. We were all relatively new to the forum and so people got involved but now, people done tired of one after the other and would let you know to do your due diligence cos you are OYO if matter get k leg. Let us leave maverick matter in the archives as a learning experience. When it comes to Police matter I am usually not the complainant since I am purpose and outcome driven and I have a better understanding of their limitations but I do make sure to take advantage of any opportunity it creates to achieve my objective. They are often times arije ninu madaru and i don tired to be financing fresh fish, isiewu and pepper soup. ![]() I have become better versed at the different options open to me to achieve my objective. Some lawyer letter will do it, some you have to take all the way to court/mediation and others you throw the kitchen sink. Yes you pick your battles cos not only your mental health go suffer but if you don't you go die quick. Too many crazy people for 9ja. n3xt: 2 Likes |
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