jesusjnr2020:
I see a case of the pot accusing the kettle of also being black...

What's the difference between those preaching the gospel via talking voice and those doing it via music, that one should be paid and the other not?

Jesus said, "a laborer is worthy of his wages" (Luke 10:7), so it's not in the place of one laborer to get paid his own wages and yet be questioning why another should get paid his.

That said, the focus of all laborers in God's vineyard should be God and not money, because a man cannot serve two masters, God and mammon. Matthew 6:21

God bless.

Maestro21:


You people's issue is rank recruits think they know enough to instruct field marshals. It is a travesty but it is something we see often.

In the body of christ today, many of the most successful music ministers in the world are his spiritual children. When someone like that speaks, please listen. Don't rush to give a rejoinder. You neither have the understanding nor the leading to do so.

Who do you think built a studio, raised and paid producers and holds a world class music awards ceremony where he gives some of these same music ministers $100K, $50K and $25k gifts for their songs? How many album launches has he given some 30M naira, brandnew cars, buses etc. You people will talk 5 words before you understand what is even being discussed.

For your information, he was not speaking against music ministers earning a living. He was speaking about music ministers using their ministry as a career in detriment to the gospel. Do you know the difference? A music minister's primary call is to use their talent to evangelize for Jesus christ. Your lifestyle, comportment, lyrical content and devotion should be about Jesus christ. This means, even the endorsements you receive and venues you perform in should be about the gospel - not for career. That is what he was referring to.

Today, you can see a music minister who endorses an alcoholic beverage or goes to perform in venues where the show promoters tell you not to sing your songs that have Jesus in it "because of people of other faiths" and some of those ministers still perform at such events because such shows might pay them a lot of money. That is an example of a music minister using their position to make money and not foster the gospel of Jesus.

A music minister ought not to hold concerts if the sole aim of such concerts is not to heal the sick, cast devils out and win souls. If you are just going to sing so that people admire your sonorous voice and pay you money, you are working for yourself and not Jesus. That is why most of them who do those things started out in the church and before long left to pursue carnal careers. That is what he was referring to.

Most ministers today belong to a particular church or local fellowship. Should they not be attending services there on sundays, attending bible study classes etc and growing with the church like they were doing before they gained traction? But today, some of those ministers are gallivanting from church to church on sundays - when they should have been learning in church. Such ministers are carnal and will not grow spiritually. That is what he was referring to.

If you do not know the source or intent of a statement, should a christian not ask people who know what it means? Did Paul not warn christians never to judge a matter before its time?

Stop and think. Bless you.

Maestro21:


You people's issue is rank recruits think they know enough to instruct field marshals. It is a travesty but it is something we see often.

In the body of christ today, many of the most successful music ministers in the world are his spiritual children. When someone like that speaks, please listen. Don't rush to give a rejoinder. You neither have the understanding nor the leading to do so.

Who do you think built a studio, raised and paid producers and holds a world class music awards ceremony where he gives some of these same music ministers $100K, $50K and $25k gifts for their songs? How many album launches has he given some 30M naira, brandnew cars, buses etc. You people will talk 5 words before you understand what is even being discussed.

For your information, he was not speaking against music ministers earning a living. He was speaking about music ministers using their ministry as a career in detriment to the gospel. Do you know the difference? A music minister's primary call is to use their talent to evangelize for Jesus christ. Your lifestyle, comportment, lyrical content and devotion should be about Jesus christ. This means, even the endorsements you receive and venues you perform in should be about the gospel - not for career. That is what he was referring to.

Today, you can see a music minister who endorses an alcoholic beverage or goes to perform in venues where the show promoters tell you not to sing your songs that have Jesus in it "because of people of other faiths" and some of those ministers still perform at such events because such shows might pay them a lot of money. That is an example of a music minister using their position to make money and not foster the gospel of Jesus.

A music minister ought not to hold concerts if the sole aim of such concerts is not to heal the sick, cast devils out and win souls. If you are just going to sing so that people admire your sonorous voice and pay you money, you are working for yourself and not Jesus. That is why most of them who do those things started out in the church and before long left to pursue carnal careers. That is what he was referring to.

Most ministers today belong to a particular church or local fellowship. Should they not be attending services there on sundays, attending bible study classes etc and growing with the church like they were doing before they gained traction? But today, some of those ministers are gallivanting from church to church on sundays - when they should have been learning in church. Such ministers are carnal and will not grow spiritually. That is what he was referring to.

If you do not know the source or intent of a statement, should a christian not ask people who know what it means? Did Paul not warn christians never to judge a matter before its time?

Stop and think. Bless you.

jesusjnr2020:
[s]Mr Petra1, why not use your main moniker to speak to me, if not that you have something to hide.

It's only a blind follower that would have issues with what I said, because if not for blind sentiments, you'd know it's nothing but the Truth.[/s]

Field Marshall kor general ni

Not even up to a major to me.

jesusjnr2020:
Mr Petra1, why not use your main moniker to speak to me, if not that you have something to hide.

It's only a blind follower that would have issues with what I said, because if not for blind sentiments, you'd know it's nothing but the Truth.

Field Marshall kor general ni

Not even up to a major to me.

petra1:


Dont be silly. I dont have time for Biggots.

Maestro21:


lol. When you find out you are wrong about your opinion, just apologize like a real christian should. If anything, it will show that your opinion (albeit in ignorance) was out of love and a genuine heart.

Your reply above shows who you really are behind the veneer of being a real christian. Yet, you are the same person who tries to go around correcting every and anyone or calling others fake.

Don't worry @ Field Marshal. Thank God it does not depend on you. Left to you, you are the only christian on earth. Rev. Chris Oyakhilome is an Apostle of Jesus Christ to the whole of christendom in these last days. If you doubt me, go on a fast and ask the holy spirit. If he tells you anything different, let me know.

jesusjnr2020:
How ironic!

When you blindly follow an epitome of bigotry.

petra1:


As carnal as ever. You are just an attention seeker.

jesusjnr2020:
Lol. The truth hurts.

By the way, your mentor speaks about having billions of viewers tuned in to watch his broadcasts live, which is clearly false and unfounded. If that's not attention seeking at its worst,

tell me what is, so maybe he could mentor me about the bolded, because if i'm truly such, then I'm clearly a learner where he is.

jesusjnr2020:
My opinion about your mentor's comment on this occasion is spot on. Your premise is erroneous because you don't even know that a field Marshall could possibly be schooled by the lowest ranked army officer in an area he gets it wrong.

You should also know that it's not up to you to determine who a "field Marshall" or true apostle is, so the same applies to you.

And the idea that i think I'm the only Christian on Earth, is a construct of your own imagination, because even here, I have acknowledged some Christians to be top notch, so I would skip that.

It was my own opinion. You don't have to accept it just as I don't have to accept yours.

I know more about the music ministry much more than you think, so please spare all those details about having the most successful music ministers, it doesn't make the person inerrant. Moreover it could also be mere coincidence even if true, but that is not even verified yet.

By the way, you must be joking with your idea that I went on a fast and bothered the Holy Spirit because of your mentor. His is very clear to me, so it would be a total waste of time. Even if he's true, he's really far behind.

jesusjnr2020:
Lol. The truth hurts.

By the way, your mentor speaks about having billions of viewers tuned in to watch his broadcasts live, which is clearly false and unfounded. If that's not attention seeking at its worst, tell me what is, so maybe he could mentor me about the bolded, because if i'm truly such, then I'm clearly a learner where he is.

Maestro21:


If I do not know something nobody else can know it. If I cannot do something, nobody else can do it.

Children who believed 4.7 billion people watched Euro 2020 ( an event about european soccer teams which many africans, americans, asians etc) do not care about, but find it difficult to believe that over 5 billion will watch a christian event of a ministry that cuts across all continents of this world.

Because everybody is as small as you pinchomic busybodies.

Maestro21:


Your comment was dumb. You did not understand what he said or why, and in typical fashion, you jumped to give an errant opinion.

I spanked some knowledge into you. Be humble, concede that you waffled and learn. Be teachable.

You said music ministers are entitled to their living which was to suggest he was trying to take money out of their pocket (you might be slow so this an idiom for preventing them from making ends meet). I showed you how he gives music ministers more money than some of them ever make in any concert or album sale (so he is not stopping them from making a living).

Since you have realized that you spoke out of term, won't you be humble to accept that you were wrong? No, you went on to talk more rubbish.

By the way, my testimony of him is not my own testimony -unlike yours. Let me give you a little rundown of some of the people who had prophesied so. 1. Archbishop Benson Idahosa 2. Dr. Morris Cerullo 3. Pastor Benny Hinn & Evang Reinhard Bonnke 4. Bishop Thomas Raki 5. Bishop James Payne 6. Dr. Oral Roberts Jr 7. Prophet Uebert Angel 8. Prophet Emmanuel Makandiwa 9. Prophet Isaiah Wealth.

I can go on and on.

Your testimony is absolutely inconsequential. I only advised you to go on that fast, maybe the holy spirit will be gracious to you to correct you on your needless busybodying and holier than thou attitude couched with pride.

Rank recruits cannot correct a Field Marshall. In your clique where anything goes and people break ranks and speak out of turn, sure. But not in God's army and certainly not even in the armies of the world. Don't even try to talk to me about the military, I will dogwalk you. You do not know me or my upbringing.

Hahahahaha @ your so-called knowledge of the music ministry. You are such a spiritual baby. May be I should let you in on another secret so you won't go around talking more nonsense about "pure coincidence". Rev Chris in one of his numerous heavenly encounters was taken to a location in heaven termed "where music is made". It is his exposure to that encounter that birthed the successful music ministry that thrives under his watch, to the shame of the devil and jealous busybodies.

Cheers.

Maestro21:


If I do not know something nobody else can know it. If I cannot do something, nobody else can do it.

Children who believed 4.7 billion people watched Euro 2020 ( an event about european soccer teams which many africans, americans, asians etc) do not care about, but find it difficult to believe that over 5 billion will watch a christian event of a ministry that cuts across all continents of this world.

Because everybody is as small as you pinchomic busybodies.

petra1:


Rolling in the mud after your mentor is okay abi

jesusjnr2020:
Not surprised. It takes a totally gullible and blind follower to fall for such a glaring lie.

Imagine how popular Euro 2020 was all over the world, yet it was just an estimated combined 4.7 billion people that watched it. That's 4.7 billion people divided by the amount of matches which is over thirty. But your mentor would lie to you that billions of people were tuned in from all over the world to watch just a live broadcast, which is not even popular in Nigeria, yet you'd fall for it.

That shows how gullible you are, so it's understandable why you wouldn't be able to see any thing beyond the lies you're being fed.

jesusjnr2020:
[s]For someone who's blind enough to fall for the glaring lie, that billions were tuned in to watch a live broadcast of Chris, it's indeed a huge compliment to have you call my comment dumb, because that alone means they were anything but that.

The man you speak of is one of those church leaders who started well but lost focus and started chasing money and personal glory instead of God, hence he's unqualified to start teaching others what he himself doesn't practice. But obviously being a committed blind follower, it would be impossible for you to accept that Truth.

Even the devil would be laughing at the gravity of your ignorance right now, because as evil as he is, he still knows much better than you concerning who you're speaking of, and would rather have a thousand of your mentor to contend with, than one of me. It's only a matter of time though before you'd get to know between your mentor and myself, who's a real field Marshall in God's army and who isn't.

Continue following him blindly though, and believing lies like having billions a of people tuned in to watch his live broadcast, don't pinch yourself to see how far you're being misled, and I assure you you'd eventually find yourself inside the pit.[/s]

jesusjnr2020:
Mr Petra1, why not use your main moniker to speak to me, if not that you have something to hide.

It's only a blind follower that would have issues with what I said, because if not for blind sentiments, you'd know it's nothing but the Truth.

Field Marshall kor general ni

Not even up to a major to me.

For a laborer who started well but lost focus and started chasing money and personal glory and not that of God like several other church leaders, he's not in the position to be telling other laborers to do what he himself doesn't practice.

A friend of mine who was a leader in his BLW fellowship, confessed to have been put under pressure to start saying things he ought not say because of the worldly target set for him by the church leaders. That's the kind of bad leadership example he's setting, so he shouldn't expect other laborers under him to behave differently unless he changes his ways.

Maestro21:


Let us test your intellect and expose it for how bang below average it is?

Euro 2020 was popular over which whole world? lol. Can you prove to me that outside of Europe majority of people in other continents were watching those games?

Let us say Rev. Chris Oyakhilome was lying, what is the aim? What does he hope to gain? Is it that he does not know that the figure was humongous?

Rev. Chris Oyakhilome's broadcast is not popular in Nigeria, how come you know about it? Tell me another live broadcast that has a larger coverage?

You guys are just a sad jealous bunch and what makes it funny is you are very ignorant while at it.

When you see a news about UK OFCOM fining Loveworld 125K Pounds, you rush to believe it - it must be true. But the same you will say the broadcast is not popular. Is he the only saying what he said? Why is it only him OFCOM tried to fine? Care to answer that.

You can use words like "gullible" because you are just bitter and jealous. A person with a genuine heart would have asked how the ministry could be sure they got such values. Afterall, he did not sneak to say it. He said it in front of everyone. What made him so bold to say it even when he knew some people will not believe it?

Until you answer the questions, you are just pathetic. Do something about it.

FreeSpirited:
No be advance spiritual mathematics pastor Chris dey work for board so...pastor Chris and effizy sha ...And the Effizy Dey work die...Even Jesus no use board teach people