Tomahawk99:
The Quran and The Bible are the most read fiction books in the world.

innotutorial:
In the Quran you are right, but in the Bible you know what you talking about. I doubt you have ever read the Bible. The bible was written by men which was inspired by God. Do you know the Manuscript evidence of the bible will have today? The Latin Vulgate Manuscripts and other Manuscripts in the 2nd century. Have you seen the quotes from the early church fathers? More than 20,000 quotes form the new testaments and this was in the first century.

So don't say what you don't know. The Quran is a book written by Muhammad not God. The Quran is just mainly a fairy tale book which got most of its stories from Gnostic and Ribenic writings. I will make more videos to expose and discuss this. Do not be deceived brother/sister, the Bible is the word of God. The Quran is a counterfeit and the word of Satan.

innotutorial:
In the Quran you are right, but in the Bible you know what you talking about. I doubt you have ever read the Bible. The bible was written by men which was inspired by God. Do you know the Manuscript evidence of the bible will have today? The Latin Vulgate Manuscripts and other Manuscripts in the 2nd century. Have you seen the quotes from the early church fathers? More than 20,000 quotes form the new testaments and this was in the first century.

So don't say what you don't know. The Quran is a book written by Muhammad not God. The Quran is just mainly a fairy tale book which got most of its stories from Gnostic and Ribenic writings. I will make more videos to expose and discuss this. Do not be deceived brother/sister, the Bible is the word of God. The Quran is a counterfeit and the word of Satan.

Tomahawk99:

Haha! Clown, few people in Europe sat a decided which book is which, followers like you were never consulted.
Give me one proof the bible is the word of God. You religious zombies are dumb.

innotutorial:
Even if I decide to prove this to you, because you are so carnal minded you will not listen, believe or even think it make sense. It will be off no point. May God save your soul from damnation.

obonujoker:
Quran was dictated to St Mohammed by Angel Gabriel in a cave

Tomahawk99:

You're the one who needs saving, you're damned.

innotutorial:
That is what you think. That Angel was devil himself who transformed himself into an angel of light. No wonder Muhammad tried to kill himself by Jumping down on mountain. It was Waraq bin nafal who told him it was Angel Gabriel when Muhammad himself said he think he was demon possessed. Do not be deceived, no angel gave Muhammad any Quran. It was Satan.

innotutorial:
Even if I decide to prove this to you, because you are so carnal minded you will not listen, believe or even think it make sense. It will be off no point. May God save your soul from damnation.

haekymbahd:
what about the demon that transformed himself to Jesus to meet Apostle paul that was blinded for 3 days that even the Jewish christians whom he was persecuting rejected his doctrine because they knew he taught what Jesus didn't teach a demonic doctrine hence there are hardly christians in isreal today and your G.O saw demonic Jesus drink tea with him... He (Paul) ran to Antioch to convert gullible gentiles who did not even know about Jesus to convert them and named the religion Christianity and even changed his name from Yeshua Lamashciack to Jesus Christ incredible..

Jesus had completed his mission I don't understand the demonic Jesus showing himself to you all as Almighty God adding to the Gospel of Yeshua who had gone to the Father...

John 17
3 And this is eternal life: [it means] to know (to perceive, recognize, become acquainted with, and understand) You, the only true and real God, and [likewise] to know Him, Jesus [as the] Christ (the Anointed One, the Messiah), Whom You have sent.

4 I have glorified You down here on the earth by completing the work that You gave Me to do.


Who is your God? mention his name.

Make sense enter your head.


Explain why the RSV bible is condemning the KJV version which is the widely used bible answer because it was corrupted?

Also bring me 2 different Quran that is widely accepted and tell us the difference. Also if two person are to recite the Quran through out the world they woul still say the same thing. There is only one Quran, but the way we recite it might be different due to different accents and location. When a Yorba man an hausa man recite the Quran there is bound to be difference due to their accents. If people from different location write Quran in their own language and dialect/accent it doesn't change the fact that there is still only one Quran widely accepted they are regarded as translations of Quran.. coupled with the fact that the Quran had been memorized right from the time of the prophet till date how do one change the Quran without people even noticing


Allah SWT said:

"And We have certainly made the Qur'an easy for remembrance, so is there any who will remember?"

"We will make you recite, [O Muhammad], and you will not forget,"
(QS. Al-A'laa 87: Verse 6)

* Via Qur'an English http://quran-en.com

(QS. Al-Qamar 54: Verse 17)

* Via Qur'an English http://quran-en.com

E.g in English for example we have British English. ...
American English. ...
Australian English. ...
Canadian English. ...
Indian English. ...
Philippine English. ...
Ugandan English.
Pidgin English e.t.c


It doesn't change the fact that the British English is originator through which others were derived...

Infact all this Arabic Qurans you posted if you are even to cross check there meanings with the original Quran they would still make or have the same meaning.

Compare it to RSV and KJV version e.t.c of your Bible and still compare both to the Greek version and still compare all to the early manuscript? Couple with the fact that no disciples of Jesus wrote the gospel that author's claim it was from eye witnesses which they didn't mention any nor documents they copied from and we still have cannonical and non cannonical Gospel also the Catholic bible is even still more than the protestants, also the earliest cannonical which is gospel of Mark has been discovered to be fabricated in the early manuscript it stopped at Chapter 16 verse 8 and it not it up to verse 20 how did that happen only God knows. Even Jesus was not even alive when the cannonical were written to verify it and endorse it, the earliest cannonical was written 70+ A D, and we still don't know the full names of the authors of both cannonical and cannonical Gospels or who they are is this not amazing

Example[b][/b]


Word “Begotten” is a corruption [an addition] (RSV 32 Christians Scholars) & Word “Son” is Corruption [fabricated from Choose] (NIV Christian Scholars) and Trinity 1 John 5:6-7 is a Corruption (RSV 32 Christians Scholars)

Lets see
John 3:16 Begotten Son in King James Version is a Corruption and Word begotten has been removed by revised standards versions 32 Christians scholars backed uo by 50 Christians denominations of highest imminent
This confirms the corruption into bible because here is a link to read RSV Bible Preface Yourself and have a look what your own scholars says about King James Version:
http://www.bible-researcher.com/rsvpreface.html

If you do not have time to visit above link then here is a brief sample of RSV scholars: they Say...........
Yet the King James Version has grave defects. By the middle of the nineteenth century, the development of Biblical studies and the discovery of many manuscripts more ancient than those upon which the King James Version was based, made it manifest that these defects are so many and so serious as to call for revision........

John 3:16 the word "begotton" jesus was a "begotton son" of God has been removed by Christians themselves from the bible in RSV bible. According to 32 Christians scholars of the highest eminence, backed by 50 different Christian co-operating denominations said this begotten word in john 3:16 (dictionary mean-act of low level of animal sex) is fabrication, human made addition, misinterpretation, and it is wrong and by those Christian they removed this word begotten from revised standard version of bible (RSV).

Trinity has been thrown out of bible too
The verse of the Bible, 1st Epistle of John, Chapter 5, Verse No. 7, is the closest resemblance to ‘trinity’ in the full Bible. But if you read the ‘Revised Standard Version’, which has been revised by 32 Christians scholars of the highest eminence, backed by 50 different Christian co-operating denominations – they have removed this verse from the Bible as an interpolation, as a concoction, as a fabrication. It was not removed by Muslims or non-Christian scholars – but it was removed by 32 Christian scholars of the highest eminence backed by 50 different co-operative denominations as an interpolation, as a concoction, as a fabrication, because it was not there in original manuscripts.




Allah SWT said:


"O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, Three; desist - it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs."
(QS. An-Nisaa 4: Verse 171)

* Via Qur'an English http://quran-en.com



Can you or any of your father in the Lord ever read the Bible offhead from Genesis to revelation even Mathew to revelation self you dey whine me ni?

AntiChristian:


We Muslims can equally say you are deluded to say this on Islam. Why do you guys brand people names to explain your Book? Some are carnal minded and hence can't understand your Book? Well, no be your fault!

When he (Jesus) was alone, the Twelve and the others around him asked him about the parables. He told them, "The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those on the outside everything is said in parables so that," 'they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven!'
Mark 4:10-12

"Though I have been speaking figuratively (paroimia), a time is coming when I will no longer use this kind of language but will tell you plainly about my Father. John 16:25

sagenaija:
The truth about the Koran:
1. The Koran was originally verbal recitation.
2. These recitations were then written down by different people in various materials as much as they could recall from memory.
3. Decades after the death of Mohamed, Zaid ibn Thabith was saddled with the task of collecting and confirming which writings were genuine and then binding them into a single volume to become one book. There was also Uthman's version after which he destroyed every other copy of the Koran.
4. Even after this compilation some devotees of Mohamed remembered some areas that were part of the recitals but the Islamic leaders did not want to add anything else so as to project the “sacredness” of the book.
5. Mohamed therefore did not directly write anything. No historical record shows him as penning down the Koran. Moslems generally agree that Mohamed was not learned; a questionable issue though.

So can we be sure that those who wrote from memory wrote the right things? Did they write down exactly what they heard?
Were they inspired by Allah?

The last question is especially relevant because since other persons apart from Mohamed wrote down the Koran the issue of the infallibility of the book is questionable without the writers being inspired. And that is an issue Islam is not ready to face.

Antichristian knows that. haekymbahd knows too.

innotutorial:
You got no point at all. Just answer my questions.

AntiChristian:


Which point? I don't have time to watch your video. You can state your points make we counter am!

This is not the first time Sagenaija is bringing this on Nairaland. He would keep failing!

Which questions?

Tomahawk99:

You're the one who needs saving, you're damned.

hupernikao:


innotutorial pointed you to a fact but you are only presenting argument that has no base.

He pointed you to history of 2nd century writers, quoting the Bible. These are verifiable facts that exist. But your defence is poor. Give data and facts about your argument. Don't act like somehow they whisper a false information to who then run to market with a loud speaker claiming knowledge.

The focus of his facts is:
Was there quote and evidence of the same from the Bible in 2nd century, he told you over 20000 quotes exist.


What are your own facts about the origin of the Bible?

Is the gist of "few people in Europe sit" intelligent enough for such claims?

Is that a scholarly argument, using beer parlor gist.

Bro, you can do better.

hupernikao:


innotutorial pointed you to a fact but you are only presenting argument that has no base.

He pointed you to history of 2nd century writers, quoting the Bible. These are verifiable facts that exist. But your defence is poor. Give data and facts about your argument. Don't act like somehow they whisper a false information to who then run to market with a loud speaker claiming knowledge.

The focus of his facts is:
Was there quote and evidence of the same from the Bible in 2nd century, he told you over 20000 quotes exist.


What are your own facts about the origin of the Bible?

Is the gist of "few people in Europe sit" intelligent enough for such claims?

Is that a scholarly argument, using beer parlor gist.

Bro, you can do better.

Tomahawk99:

Verified facts...verified by who? You're dumb to think a historical event that affects the composition is a beer palour gist, you're very dumb.
Did the event i mentioned take place or not? Did the council of nicaea take place or not? Where other christians banished from christianity by the council or not? Go educate yourself...and am not your bro.

sagenaija:
The truth about the Koran:
1. The Koran was originally verbal recitation.
2. These recitations were then written down by different people in various materials as much as they could recall from memory.
3. Decades after the death of Mohamed, Zaid ibn Thabith was saddled with the task of collecting and confirming which writings were genuine and then binding them into a single volume to become one book. There was also Uthman's version after which he destroyed every other copy of the Koran.
4. Even after this compilation some devotees of Mohamed remembered some areas that were part of the recitals but the Islamic leaders did not want to add anything else so as to project the “sacredness” of the book.
5. Mohamed therefore did not directly write anything. No historical record shows him as penning down the Koran. Moslems generally agree that Mohamed was not learned; a questionable issue though.

So can we be sure that those who wrote from memory wrote the right things? Did they write down exactly what they heard?
Were they inspired by Allah?

The last question is especially relevant because since other persons apart from Mohamed wrote down the Koran the issue of the infallibility of the book is questionable without the writers being inspired. And that is an issue Islam is not ready to face.

Antichristian knows that. haekymbahd knows too.

innotutorial:
Wonderful how you just copy nonsense from a website. It was clearly started that Jesus appeared to Paul. In the Quran there is no where Muhammad said it was Angel Gabriel who visited him. It was his uncle Waraq bin hafal who said it was Angel Gabriel. Which he knows nothing about. So don't come up with all these nonsense from a website.

Lostchild:
innotutorial

Ocultic men can use the Quran to voke demon.

sagenaija:
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The question was simple:
Given the fact that Mohamed did not personally write down the Koran, were those who wrote the Koran inspired by Allah?