chatinent:
I am available for a chat ...

We already are having a started friendly and brotherly chat.

chatinent:
... Create a new thread.

There is not a better thread than on this thread.
Its akin to buying time, saying to me, create a new thread.

Beloved, to the two following easy, simple, innocent, harmless, straightforward request, please recognise that, it is enough and necessary that you give your answers here, on this thread you yourself created:

1. In spite of the given fact that God is beyond definition, please according to the best of your understanding, state what the meaning of what the word, God, is.
2. Please according to the best of your understanding, describe what is the extent of God's capacity, power etc

BassReeves:
We already are having a started friendly and brotherly chat.

There is not a better thread than on this thread.
Its akin to buying time, saying to me, create a new thread.

Beloved, to the two following easy, simple, innocent, harmless, straightforward request, please recognise that, it is enough and necessary that you give your answers here, on this thread you yourself created:

1. In spite of the given fact that God is beyond definition, please according to the best of your understanding, state what the meaning of what the word, God, is.
2. Please according to the best of your understanding, describe what is the extent of God's capacity, power etc

Create a new thread so I can study all your responses well.

chatinent:
Create a new thread so I can study all your responses well.

Beloved, stop the dilly dally and please recognise that, it is enough and necessary that you give your answers here first, on this thread you yourself created, before trying to get me create another thread.

Dont worry about understanding my earlier responses, just go ahead to give your honest, sincere and truthful answers to the two questions asked you

Trust me that I'll straightaway create the thread, the moment, and for the record, you give your answers to these following two easy, simple, innocent, harmless, straightforward requests:

1. In spite of the given fact that God is beyond definition, please according to the best of your understanding, state what the meaning of what the word, God, is.
2. Please according to the best of your understanding, describe what is the extent of God's capacity, power etc

BassReeves:
Beloved, stop the dilly dally and please recognise that, it is enough and necessary that you give your answers here first, on this thread you yourself created, before trying to get me create another thread.

Dont worry about understanding my earlier responses, just go ahead to give your honest, sincere and truthful answers to the two questions asked you

Trust me that I'll straightaway create the thread, the moment, and for the record, you give your answers to these following two easy, simple, innocent, harmless, straightforward requests:

1. In spite of the given fact that God is beyond definition, please according to the best of your understanding, state what the meaning of what the word, God, is.
2. Please according to the best of your understanding, describe what is the extent of God's capacity, power etc

You are not ready to chat.

I'm not your beloved.

Have a nice century.

chatinent:
You contradict yourself.

You have clearly showed the holy spirit is not a person. If Jesus was filled with it, how is it a person?

Are you a Christian?

BassReeves:
This will be a futile and pointless endeavour to clear your seeming doubts, if you would NOT honestly, frankly, sincerely and truthfully give clear, direct and unequivocal answers to all questions asked you on this post.

chatinent:
You are not ready to chat.

Read the above

chatinent:
I'm not your beloved.

Beloved is an endearment word, so don't read unnecessary too much reading(s) into it than what it represents

chatinent:
Have a nice century.

I am loving the century. Wish you have a nice century too, if not a nicer one.

To get the ball further rolling, its a shame that you couldn't bring yourself to give your honest, sincere and truthful answers here on this thread, to these following two easy, simple, innocent, harmless, straightforward requests:

1. In spite of the given fact that God is beyond definition, please according to the best of your understanding, state what the meaning of what the word, God, is.
2. Please according to the best of your understanding, describe what is the extent of God's capacity, power etc

Ayo081:


Are you a Christian?

Go straight to the point with your assertions.

I am a Christian.

chatinent:
Can sb please clear my doubts?

If Jesus is God, who made the pronouncement, “this is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased" when John baptized him in the Jordan?

If Jesus is God, why does he called himself ‘father..why have you forsaken me’ during his execution?

If Jesus is God, how come the Bible says he'd sit on God's right hand? Is he not God himself?

If Jesus is God as some people use John 1.1 to explain, how do you explain John 17:3 written by the same John?

If Jesus is God, why did the Devil make reference to God while tempting him saying “if you are truly the son of God...hurl yourself down..for God will not...”? Note that the devil has lived in heaven before and know the heaven citizens.


Any answer with biblical proofs?

Thank you.

Because you and i are God. In the "Name of the Father, the Son and the Holy spirit", these are the trinity that makes you to be God.

chatinent:
Can sb please clear my doubts?

If Jesus is God, who made the pronouncement, “this is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased" when John baptized him in the Jordan?

If Jesus is God, why does he called himself ‘father..why have you forsaken me’ during his execution?

If Jesus is God, how come the Bible says he'd sit on God's right hand? Is he not God himself?

If Jesus is God as some people use John 1.1 to explain, how do you explain John 17:3 written by the same John?

If Jesus is God, why did the Devil make reference to God while tempting him saying “if you are truly the son of God...hurl yourself down..for God will not...”? Note that the devil has lived in heaven before and know the heaven citizens.


Any answer with biblical proofs?

Thank you.

If I answer this things will you accept he is God or will you continue to believe cult teaching like JW

CXLVII:
Doubt if their is anybody on Earth that can answer this questions.

It's the simplest question ever!

That's the God who made and sent Jesus! John 20:17

Bishopkingsley:


If I answer this things will you accept he is God or will you continue to believe cult teaching like JW

Get behind me.

God bless you and help you to heal from the hate you have towards his holy son Jesus in Jesus name we pray.

Bishopkingsley:
God bless you and help you to heal from the hate you have towards his holy son Jesus in Jesus name we pray.

amen

CXLVII:
Doubt if their is anybody on Earth that can answer this questions.

chatinent:
There is.

Wait for it.

BassReeves:
The person who made the pronouncement, “this is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased" when John baptized him in the Jordan, was God, the Father.

MaxInDHouse:
It's the simplest question ever!

That's the God who made and sent Jesus! John 20:17

John 1:1-5, 10-11
'1In the beginning [before all time] was the Word (i.e. Jesus Christ), and the Word was with God, and the Word was God Himself.
2He was [continually existing] in the beginning [co-eternally] with God.
3All things were made and came into existence through Him; and without Him not even one thing was made that has come into being.
4In Him was life [and the power to bestow life], and the life was the Light of men.
5The Light shines on in the darkness, and the darkness did not understand it or overpower it or appropriate it or absorb it [and is unreceptive to it]
10He (Christ) was in the world, and though the world was made through Him, the world did not recognize Him.
11He came to that which was His own [that which belonged to Him--His world, His creation, His possession],
and those who were His own [people--the Jewish nation] did not receive and welcome Him.'

God was on a DIY mission, so in order for the work to be done well and perfectly, God sent Himself from heaven to earth, in the person of Jesus, as God Incarnated, and Emmanuel (i.e. God with us)

God is a spirit, incorporeal, formless, invisible, unseeable etc, so then, in order to see God, in the flesh, in order to see God physically, in order to see God shaped, in order to see God in a way that is visible to the eye, is the main reason, among other significants why God, projected Himself out, in the person of Jesus, or as Jesus.

When Mary kissed her little baby, she was kissing the face of God (i.e. Emmanuel, aka God is with us) The Rock that Moshe smacked in the wilderness was Jesus. The burning bush not consumed in the wilderness is God. The pillar of cloud behind the Israelites and pillar of fire in front of Israelites was God. The Angel of the Lord is God, the list goes on. How many beings so far, why isnt anyone counting all those and/or them manifestations of God and numbering them up too?

It is within God's power, capacity, capability, ability creative skill, ingenuity etc, to simultaneously and/or concurrently be in Heaven and on Earth, as One being, showing up and existing in more than one place at the same time. No other being that I know can do this, no even satan.

Question
why isnt anyone counting all those and/or them manifestations of God and numbering them up too?

Answer
Because Jesus gave instructions on only the name to do the things of God with if he had included that the angel of the lord or those burning bush etc we would include them but no Jesus summarized who and what God is below

Matthew 28:19 ►
New International Version
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

New Living Translation
Therefore, go and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit.

English Standard Version
Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

Berean Study Bible
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit,

Berean Literal Bible
Therefore having gone, disciple all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit,

chatinent:

Get behind me.

Let them go and worship their God while we worship our God, no wahala!

Bishopkingsley:
Question
why isnt anyone counting all those and/or them manifestations of God and numbering them up too?

Answer
Because Jesus gave instructions on only the name to do the things of God with if he had included that the angel of the lord or those burning bush etc we would include them but no Jesus summarized who and what God is below

It actually was a rhetorical question. It was asked to make a point, rather than elicit a counter response, reply or answer

Bishopkingsley:
Matthew 28:19 ►
New International Version
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

New Living Translation
Therefore, go and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit.

English Standard Version
Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them [s]in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,[/s]

Berean Study Bible
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them [s]in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit[/s],

Berean Literal Bible
Therefore having gone, disciple all the nations, baptizing them [s]in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit[/s]

Matthew 18:16
'...‘by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.’'

I am sure you are just feigning ignorance that you dont know that the strikeouts are a later addition by a copyist and that it was never in the original text and earlier bible translation versions.

'in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit' was inserted into the bible at a much later date, but die-hard trinitarians love to deceive themselves with the helping of the Matthew 28:19 baptismal formula that isn't original to the text of Matthew.

Bishopkingsley, the baptismal formula is not used anywhere else in the Bible other than Matthew 28:19. If that fact is not true, then where are the other two or three witness to this Matthew 28:19 baptismal formula late doctrinal expansion then?

BassReeves:
It actually was a rhetorical question. It was asked to make a point, rather than elicit a counter response, reply or answer

Matthew 18:16
'...‘by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.’'

I am sure you are just feigning ignorance that you dont know that the strikeouts are a later addition by a copyist and that it was never in the original text and earlier bible translation versions.

'in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit' was inserted into the bible at a later, but die-hard trinitarians loved to deceive themselves with the helping of a baptismal formula of Matthew 28:19 that isn't original to the text of Matthew.

Bishopkingsley, the baptismal formula is not used anywhere else in the Bible other than Matthew 28:19. If that fact is not true, then where are the other two or three witness to this Matthew 28:19 baptismal formula late doctrinal expansion then?

Sorry I did not know that
It actually was a rhetorical question

Question
then where are the other two or three witness to this Matthew 28:19

Answer
1 John 5:7 ►
New King James Version
For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.

Young's Literal Translation
because three are who are testifying in the heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit, and these -- the three -- are one;

John 14:26
“But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My [Jesus’] name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.”

2 Corinthians 13:14
The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit, be with you all.

Ephesians 2:18
For through Him we both have our access in one Spirit to the Father.

More later

Bishopkingsley:
Sorry I did not know that
It actually was a rhetorical question

It's OK, as nothing's spoilt

Bishopkingsley:
Question
then where are the other two or three witness to this Matthew 28:19

Answer
1 John 5:7 ►
New King James Version
For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.

Young's Literal Translation
because three are who are testifying in the heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit, and these -- the three -- are one;

John 14:26
“But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My [Jesus’] name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.”

2 Corinthians 13:14
The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit, be with you all.

Ephesians 2:18
For through Him we both have our access in one Spirit to the Father.

I love the warrior spirit in you, but do you notice that most young warriors, like to fight head-on, while old warriors like to wait, let the objector(s) expose the board and work themselves into a cul-de-sac.

Bishopkingsley:
More later

The more aware you become of things, the more you can shed from day to day, what you have wrongly learned so that your mind is always fresh and uncontaminated by previous indoctrination and conditioning. A fierce warrior spirit is meant to tear down old systems that lack integrity.

Bishopkingsley, if you have to add more, then make sure that whatever more verses you put forward has all to do with 'baptizing'.

Meaning the word 'baptise' or 'baptizing' just as in Matthew 28.19 must be featured or present in what 'More later' verses you aim to put forward as a basis for argument.

Beloved put forward two, three or more witness verses, that in relation to 'baptism' or 'baptizing' also have the Matthew 28:19 baptismal formula late doctrinal expansion (i.e. 'in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit')

Without the holy spirit you will never understand the Bible, you have to be born again then the holy spirit will reveal everything to you.

Nehemz:
Without the holy spirit you will never understand the Bible, you have to be born again then the holy spirit will reveal everything to you.

Simple question you were asked, you started saying sth else.

BassReeves:
It's OK, as nothing's spoilt

I love the warrior spirit in you, but do you notice that most young warriors, like to fight head-on, while old warriors like to wait, let the objector(s) expose the board and work themselves into a cul-de-sac.

The more aware you become of things, the more you can shed from day to day, what you have wrongly learned so that your mind is always fresh and uncontaminated by previous indoctrination and conditioning. A fierce warrior spirit is meant to tear down old systems that lack integrity.

Bishopkingsley, if you have to add more, then make sure that whatever more verses you put forward has all to do with 'baptizing'.

Meaning the word 'baptise' or 'baptizing' just as in Matthew 28.19 must be featured or present in what 'More later' verses you aim to put forward as a basis for argument.

Beloved put forward two, three or more witness verses, that in relation to 'baptism' or 'baptizing' also have the Matthew 28:19 baptismal formula late doctrinal expansion (i.e. 'in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit')

Question
whatever more verses you put forward has all to do with 'baptizing'

Answer
If you look at that Matt 28:19
In general Jesus was not only focusing on Baptism because you notice he said go into all the world imagine you open a church all you do is only baptism that will look boring so what Matt 28:19 is saying is like initiation to the things of God it like one step to doing the things of God... To many here that Matthew place is where Jesus gave introduction to trinity showing trinity involvement in church


Now just like matt 28:19
Is saying how you are to do holy spirit Baptism with the three name

Other verses are saying other steps but including one or two of the three name if you notice it

1 John 5:7
Is saying who bears witness to the things you do in church

John 14:26
Is saying who is actually doing the teaching to the people of God in the church

2 Corinthians 13:14
Is saying who brings the love in church and give the holy spirit as a communion

Ephesians 2:18
Is saying how we access God we no longer need Moses or dead Saint or any great man but only Jesus

Now coming to bringing more scripture on baptism
The Matthew is using three name it still one God notice other places can bring one name which they expect the believer to know it the same God trinity doing it like below

Corinthians 12:13
For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—Jews or Greeks, slaves or free—and all were made to drink of one Spirit.

Acts 2:38
And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

There are actually over one hundred scriptures dealing with spiritual baptism but at least one name among the three in Matthew most be mentioned as it taiks of holy spirit baptism in the Bible

We all noticed Jesus did not say do this in this names
He said in this name

Showing another name of God is
The Father
The son
The holy spirit

BassReeves:
Bishopkingsley, if you have to add more, then make sure that whatever more verses you put forward has all to do with 'baptizing'.

Meaning the word 'baptise' or 'baptizing' just as in Matthew 28.19 must be featured or present in what 'More later' verses you aim to put forward as a basis for argument.

Beloved put forward two, three or more witness verses, that in relation to 'baptism' or 'baptizing' also have the Matthew 28:19 baptismal formula late doctrinal expansion (i.e. 'in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit')

Bishopkingsley:
Question
whatever more verses you put forward has all to do with 'baptizing'

It was not a question, it was a request to ring forward two, three or more witness verses that have the word 'baptise' or 'baptizing'

Bishopkingsley:
Answer
If you look at that Matt 28:19
In general Jesus was not only focusing on Baptism because you notice he said go into all the world imagine you open a church all you do is only baptism that will look boring so what Matt 28:19 is saying is like initiation to the things of God it like one step to doing the things of God... To many here that Matthew place is where Jesus gave introduction to trinity showing trinity involvement in church


Now just like matt 28:19
Is saying how you are to do holy spirit Baptism with the three name

What you dont want accept is that the baptismal formula (i.e. 'in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit') is a late doctrinal expansion. It never was said by Jesus. It never was in the original and earliest Bible translation version, and that is the reason you are unable to provide two, three or more witness bible verses that use the explicit baptismal formula (i.e. 'in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit') just as used and seen done in Matthew 28:19

Bishopkingsley:
Other verses are saying other steps but including one or two of the three name if you notice it

1 John 5:7
Is saying who bears witness to the things you do in church

John 14:26
Is saying who is actually doing the teaching to the people of God in the church

2 Corinthians 13:14
Is saying who brings the love in church and give the holy spirit as a communion

Ephesians 2:18
Is saying how we access God we no longer need Moses or dead Saint or any great man but only Jesus

I noticed alright, but I am sure I made it clear that I am particular about baptism, so this means, I care less about any other steps

Bishopkingsley:
Now coming to bringing more scripture on baptism
The Matthew is using three name it still one God notice other places can bring one name which they expect the believer to know it the same God trinity doing it like below

Corinthians 12:13
For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—Jews or Greeks, slaves or free—and all were made to drink of one Spirit.

Acts 2:38
And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

There are actually over one hundred scriptures dealing with spiritual baptism but at least one name among the three in Matthew most be mentioned as it taiks of holy spirit baptism in the Bible

We all noticed Jesus did not say do this in this names
He said in this name

Showing another name of God is
The Father
The son
The holy spirit

No one is disputing the reality of or the belief in trinity with you.

What is it going to take, to have you admit that '.. baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,' is a later addition to the Matthew 28:19 original

So you admit that in the Matthew 28:19 original, Jesus did not say: '.. baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,' then?

BassReeves:


It was not a question, it was a request to ring forward two, three or more witness verses that have the word 'baptise' or 'baptizing'

What you dont want accept is that the baptismal formula (i.e. 'in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit') is a late doctrinal expansion. It never was said by Jesus. It never was in the original and earliest Bible translation version, and that is the reason you are unable to provide two, three or more witness bible verses that use the explicit baptismal formula (i.e. 'in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit') just as used and seen done in Matthew 28:19

I noticed alright, but I am sure I made it clear that I am particular about baptism, so this means, I care less about any other steps

No one is disputing the reality of or the belief in trinity with you.

What is it going to take, to have you admit that '.. baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,' is a later addition to the Matthew 28:19 original

So you admit that in the Matthew 28:19 original, Jesus did not say: '.. baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,' then?

Quote
What is it going to take, to have you admit that '.. baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,' is a later addition to the Matthew 28:19 original

So you admit that in the Matthew 28:19 original, Jesus did not say: '.. baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,' then?

Answer

My brother I never admit that
You know why the evidence that this statement is from Jesus is spread out from the Apostles mouth read how they write to see they mention this three name
In each letters they sent to churches so you can see they know Jesus actually said that

Now some Bible may not put it it all depends on the Bible you choose to believe in, every one can believe what they want

Let look at Jesus ministry he talked about the father a lot he talked about himself too the next phase while departing he talked about holy spirit

It common even if you refuse to believe that part is not in the Bible now as a student you summarize the name he talked about since you already said you believe in Trinity so it normal for Jesus to actually say this thing

Look at that statement in your heart does it not sound like what Jesus would say you have the spirit of God he should confirm it Jesus words

Watch how the Apostles speak all of them put this same name in their letters is it by chance no I already showed you samples of those who put the three in their letter other Apostles put at least one or two in each of their letters


John 14:26
“But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My [Jesus’] name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.”

2 Corinthians 13:14
The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit, be with you all.

Ephesians 2:18
For through Him we both have our access in one Spirit to the Father.

This places shows Jesus actually said those words

Bishopkingsley:
Quote
What is it going to take, to have you admit that '.. baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,' is a later addition to the Matthew 28:19 original

So you admit that in the Matthew 28:19 original, Jesus did not say: '.. baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,' then?

Answer

My brother I never admit that
You know why the evidence that this statement is from Jesus is spread out from the Apostles mouth read how they write to see they mention this three name
In each letters they sent to churches so you can see they know Jesus actually said that

Now some Bible may not put it it all depends on the Bible you choose to believe in, every one can believe what they want

Let look at Jesus ministry he talked about the father a lot he talked about himself too the next phase while departing he talked about holy spirit

It common even if you refuse to believe that part is not in the Bible now as a student you summarize the name he talked about since you already said you believe in Trinity so it normal for Jesus to actually say this thing

Look at that statement in your heart does it not sound like what Jesus would say you have the spirit of God he should confirm it Jesus words

Watch how the Apostles speak all of them put this same name in their letters is it by chance no I already showed you samples of those who put the three in their letter other Apostles put at least one or two in each of their letters

John 14:26
“But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My [Jesus’] name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.”

2 Corinthians 13:14
The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit, be with you all.

Ephesians 2:18
For through Him we both have our access in one Spirit to the Father.

This places shows Jesus actually said those words

With all due respect, all you're doing with John 14:26, 2 Corinthians 13:14, and Ephesians 2:18, is prooftexting

No one disputing trinity with you, so therefore beloved I'll will give you another chance.

Please Bishopkingsley show me two, three or more bible witness verses with words 'baptism' or 'baptizing' in them and to also have the Matthew 28:19 baptismal formula 'in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit' in them

The veracity of trinity is not on the radar. Trinity isnt being here questioned, but Matthew 28:19 is. Its the extent of the quality of truly being what Matthew 28:19 is said to be, that leaves a question mark.

Look at you struggling to bring up two, three or more bible witness verses with words 'baptism' or 'baptizing' in them and also to have the Matthew 28:19 baptismal formula 'in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit' in their verses

Are you that averse to admitting the truth or is it just a pride and ego thing going on with you?

BassReeves:
With all due respect, all you're doing with John 14:26, 2 Corinthians 13:14, and Ephesians 2:18, is prooftexting

No one disputing trinity with you, so therefore beloved I'll will give you another chance.

Please Bishopkingsley show me two, three or more bible witness verses with words 'baptism' or 'baptizing' in them and to also have the Matthew 28:19 baptismal formula 'in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit' in them

The veracity of trinity is not on the radar. Trinity isnt being here questioned, but Matthew 28:19 is. Its the extent of the quality of truly being what Matthew 28:19 is said to be, that leaves a question mark.

Look at you struggling to bring up two, three or more bible witness verses with words 'baptism' or 'baptizing' in them and also to have the Matthew 28:19 baptismal formula 'in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit' in their verses

Are you that averse to admitting the truth or is it just a pride and ego thing going on with you?

No need because you are not getting the point Jesus is passing across or the point am trying to merge together

Let me try for the last time

Jesus said Baptizing them in so and so

It the same as
.... He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance....

It about educating people about the things of God
(A great teacher is about to leave his school he has to pass important information to the next teacher if the school is to remain in excellence and he is telling them this are the vital things to do he picks other teaches like Paul and says more things which Paul says in his letters too it not about repeating but about understanding)

That why in

John 14:26
“But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My [Jesus’] name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.”

2 Corinthians 13:14
The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit, be with you all.

Ephesians 2:18
For through Him we both have our access in one Spirit to the Father.

That why in this places it talking about other educative things the name will teach and do which relate to God activities in our life's

If you refuse to see this secret no point trying to make you see it

So if in another verse and chapters you see baptizing them in Jesus name

As a trinity man you should immediately know it like saying
baptizing them in the name of Jesus, the Father, the holy spirit

Bishopkingsley:
No need because you are not getting the point Jesus is passing across or the point am trying to merge together

You are not seeing the point, that Jesus, in the original Matthew 28:19 did not say 'in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit'

Bishopkingsley:
Let me try for the last time

Deuteronomy 19:15
'A lone witness is not sufficient to establish any wrongdoing or sin against a man, regardless of what offense he may have committed.
A matter must be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses'

Matthew 26:60
'and they found none.
Even though many false witnesses came forward, they found none.
But at last two false witnesses came forward,'

All you've being trying is prooftexting with false witnesses and driving yourself into a cul-de-sac

Bishopkingsley:
Jesus said Baptizing them in so and so

Jesus in the original Matthew 28:19 said 'in My name.' He did not say or use 'in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit'

Its just not only Jesus, who in relation to baptism, never used the phrase 'in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit' even none of the Apostles and Paul ever used it

Bishopkingsley:
It the same as
.... He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance....

It about educating people about the things of God
(A great teacher is about to leave his school he has to pass important information to the next teacher if the school is to remain in excellence and he is telling them this are the vital things to do he picks other teaches like Paul and says more things which Paul says in his letters too it not about repeating but about understanding)

That why in

John 14:26
“But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My [Jesus’] name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.”

2 Corinthians 13:14
The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit, be with you all.

Ephesians 2:18
For through Him we both have our access in one Spirit to the Father.

That why in this places it talking about other educative things the name will teach and do which relate to God activities in our life's

If you refuse to see this secret no point trying to make you see it

So if in another verse and chapters you see baptizing them in Jesus name

As a trinity man you should immediately know it like saying
baptizing them in the name of Jesus, the Father, the holy spirit

It is because of arrogance that you're hellbent on ignoring the truth and refusing to see that Matthew 28:19 was doctored.

On every occasion in scripture, with respect to any mention of baptism, the bible states that:
1. Be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ (i.e. Acts 2:38)
2. They had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus (i.e. Acts 8:16)
3. They were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus (i.e. Acts 19:5)
4. Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? (i.e. Romans 6:3 )
5. Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life (i.e. Romans 6:4)

Matthew 28:19 is the only verse,in relation to baptism, where all three (i.e. the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit) are mentioned together. You have no other witness verse(s) to support that Matthew 28:19 isnt or wasn't doctored

Are there any verses in the bible based on the fact of baptism in the name of Jesus alone? Yes! As evidential sample verses as above are shown

Are there any verses in the bible based on the fact of baptism in the threefold name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit? No, there are none and thats the reason why you've struggled and so far been unsuccessful in producing two, three or more bible witness verses with words 'baptism' or 'baptizing' in them and also have the Matthew 28:19 baptismal formula 'in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit' in their verses. You have no evidential witness verses

Note that the veracity of trinity is not on trial here, but its the authenticity and entirety of Matthew 28:19 that is pointed out as not being genuine.

BassReeves:
You are not seeing the point, that Jesus, in the original Matthew 28:19 did not say 'in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit'

Deuteronomy 19:15
'A lone witness is not sufficient to establish any wrongdoing or sin against a man, regardless of what offense he may have committed.
A matter must be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses'

Matthew 26:60
'and they found none.
Even though many false witnesses came forward, they found none.
But at last two false witnesses came forward,'

All you've being trying is prooftexting with false witnesses and driving yourself into a cul-de-sac

Jesus in the original Matthew 28:19 said 'in My name.' He did not say or use 'in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit'

Its just not only Jesus, who in relation to baptism, never used the phrase 'in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit' even none of the Apostles and Paul ever used it

It is because of arrogance that you're hellbent on ignoring the truth and refusing to see that Matthew 28:19 was doctored.

On every occasion in scripture, with respect to any mention of baptism, the bible states that:
1. Be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ (i.e. Acts 2:38)
2. They had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus (i.e. Acts 8:16)
3. They were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus (i.e. Acts 19:5)
4. Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? (i.e. Romans 6:3 )
5. Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life (i.e. Romans 6:4)

Matthew 28:19 is the only verse,in relation to baptism, where all three (i.e. the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit) are mentioned together. You have no other witness verse(s) to support that Matthew 28:19 isnt or wasn't doctored

Are there any verses in the bible based on the fact of baptism in the name of Jesus alone? Yes! As evidential sample verses as above are shown

Are there any verses in the bible based on the fact of baptism in the threefold name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit? No, there are none and thats the reason why you've struggled and so far been unsuccessful in producing two, three or more bible witness verses with words 'baptism' or 'baptizing' in them and also have the Matthew 28:19 baptismal formula 'in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit' in their verses. You have no evidential witness verses

Note that the veracity of trinity is not on trial here, but its the authenticity and entirety of Matthew 28:19 that is pointed out as not being genuine.

Quote
Deuteronomy 19:15
'A lone witness is not sufficient to establish any wrongdoing or sin against a man, regardless of what offense he may have committed.
A matter must be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses'

Answer
First that place is not a lone witness place but

Should I bring to you many places in the Bible with lone witnesses so that we begin to cancel those places from the Bible

Should we start cancel culture with this rules

Now I understand why all great men of God always use king James Version

I will research on many lone scriptures so we start to cancel them from the Bible

chatinent:

Simple question you were asked, you started saying sth else.

What baffles me is how they're never remorseful when lying against God's Holy Spirit!
Jesus said
"go out there and make disciples of people from all nations and TEACH them" Matthew 28:19-20
But when misinformed churchgoers are stuck in their delusion then they'll tell the person they're supposed to TEACH that it's God's Holy Spirit that should do that job after they've complicated everything for themselves!

This is very simply enough even an INSANE can unravel this!

Jesus is standing with John the baptist when another Person spoke from heaven saying:

“This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved" Matthew 3:17

And these people are here spewing gibberish all because they've been blinded by their TRINITY, which is not found anywhere in the Bible!

So when they're confused and failed to go further in their stupidity then they'll turn to the Holy Spirit that they've abandoned to help them in convincing a sane individual to join in their stupidity!

There is short cut in every thing

If you don't want to call it trinity since the word is not in the Bible call it by it complete name

Funny enough the complete name is in the Jehovah's Witness Bible

Matthew

Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations,+ baptizing them+ in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you.+ And look! I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things.”*+

Because you hate Jesus to be God that why you quote Bible without completing the place you quote

Why are you angry about what God put in the Bible

It's shows how the devil in you manifest by hating the name
The Father
The son
The holy spirit

Bishopkingsley:
Quote
Deuteronomy 19:15
'A lone witness is not sufficient to establish any wrongdoing or sin against a man, regardless of what offense he may have committed.
A matter must be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses'

Answer
First that place is not a lone witness place but

Should I bring to you many places in the Bible with lone witnesses so that we begin to cancel those places from the Bible

Should we start cancel culture with this rules

Now I understand why all great men of God always use king James Version

I'll just give you the below attached pic of Shem Tob’s Matthew Gospel that does not have the part with, 'Father the Son and Holy Spirit' in it as a taster, as I wouldnt want to lean too heavy on you with evidences of others that's plentifully available.

For your info, the below attached picture of the Shem Tob’s Matthew Gospel, is a manuscript of Matthew in Hebrew from 1385 and some theologians believe it is a copy of the original one that was passed down. Note that KJV was only translated in 1611 and that KJV is not infallible nor faultless

Bishopkingsley:
I will research on many lone scriptures so we start to cancel them from the Bible

Deuteronomy 4:2
'You must not add to or subtract from what I command you, so that you may keep the commandments of the LORD your God that I am giving you.'

Deuteronomy 12:32
'So be careful to obey all the commands I give you. You must not add anything to them or subtract anything from them.'
Research instead to see that its glaring that someone so desperate to preach trinity as a doctrine, went to the great length of adding to Matthew 28:19 what was not, in the first instance, originally there in Matthew 28:19

Maybe the perpetrator(s) isnt familiar with Proverbs 30:6, that says:
'Do not add to His words, (i.e. Jesus' words) or He will reprimand you, and you will be found to be a liar'

Quran 2:79
'Woe, then, unto those who write down, with their own hands, [something which they claim to be] divine writ, and then say. "This is from God," in order to acquire a trifling gain thereby; woe, then, unto them for what their hands have written, and woe unto them for all that they may have gained'

Beloved Bishopkingsley, if Matthew 28:19 in its entirety is true, genuine and as you claim, Jesus did command the disciples to baptise 'in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit' then why would Peter in Acts 2:38 go against Jesus' command and baptise in only Jesus' name and alone?

awitness41:


Proverbs 8:22‭-‬31, the whole Chapter actually, is merely talking about "wisdom", not Jesus.

To the one who started this post - he asks valid questions.

There is God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit... true, they all exist.
But they are not the same.
Regarding God and Jesus... when Jesus claims to be "One" with His Father God, He is talking Spiritually and in Authority.
But Jesus did not pray to Himself while on Earth.
Nor when He ascended to Heaven did He sit at His own right hand.

Let me also ask all of you to please consider this:

John 5:21 (NKJV): For as the Father raises the dead and gives life to them, even so the Son gives life to whom He will.
John 5:26 (NKJV): For as the Father has life in Himself, so He has granted the Son to have life in Himself...

In addition to Spiritually giving Life, John 5:26 also means that Jesus can create matter from nothing at all... something which no Angel can do, but only God and Jesus.

Now, at the very beginning - before the first atom, molecule, planet, or being - there was God alone.
For Jesus did not create God, just as a son cannot create his own parent, nor can a son come before their own parent.
God, therefore, MUST HAVE created Jesus... at the very beginning, before anything else (even an atom) was made.

In addition, God taught Jesus everything, gave Him every ability, and also gave His Son all authority over everything that would be made.

In essence, Jesus was just like God, for even though the Father is greater than Jesus (John 14:28), God gave Jesus every God-like trait.

(Therefore, it is no affront to God when Thomas refers to Jesus as "my Lord and my God"... because to us puny human beings, Jesus can be considered as One with His Father, or as God is, even though Jesus Himself is not God.)

To note: Jesus was not an Angel, just as God is not an Angel... for Angels were created by Both sometime afterward.

Now, on to Creation.
We know this is also true (John 1:3): nothing was made without Jesus also being present to make it.
That includes the first atom, the first molecule, the first planet, and the first beings... all of which God and Jesus created.
And to do that, Jesus also had to be given the ability to create matter from nothing at all, just like God can.

Consider our own body temples... a mass of atoms and molecules that would otherwise have no Life unless God and Jesus also put our own Spirit within us.
Thus, God and Jesus also make the visible (the body) and the invisible (the Spirit of Life in flesh that allows the atoms and molecules to become a living being).
Can we do that ? No.
Can Angels do that ? No.
Only God and Jesus can.

Why can't we simply believe that Jesus is just like God His Father in all ways - Spirit, form, and authority - but is Himself not God, but only God's Son ?
Why not ? It's the Truth.
That's because God, the Greater One, made it that way !

And you can all find the Scriptures that support this... without saying explicity that "God created Jesus".

I know the arguers will argue.

But if we actually think about what is presented to us in Scripture, ALL Verses included, then we can, in Truth, draw no other conclusion (nor can anyone disprove this using un-manipulated Scripture).

Jesus being God is both a figurative and a valid assertion. John 1: 1-5 already captured what you elaborated here. The father precede the son. But before the beginning of creative work, wether in heaven or on earth, the son already was. That is the meaning of the verse. ".. In the beginning was the word and the word was with God..".

The son was the first creative work of God. But unlike other creation, angel, human, animal and plant, the son was a replica of the father. The omnipotemce of God means he could bring out his our replica from himself. Jesus, the son was an issue from God himself. He is genetically of perfect likeness with God. We can understand this better by consider the subject of cloninng. A cloned organism is genetically a replica of the parent. This is different from how God created human in his own image.

We are God's image, not his likeness. The difference is made more stark in that we are flesh while God is spirit. One can say the spirit has no hand, eye and others but our physical attribute are a depiction of spirit being. Spirit is however different in that it doesn't regenerate because it doesn't die. Spirit dont self renewed. In physical cloning, though the offspring is genetically the same with the parents, the cells aren't in the same physical environment. While the parent can eat beans that supply protein at a particular time, the offspring may at that time feeds on carbonhydrate. Their body cell are therefore subjected to different condition at a particular referance time. Why the parent may be sick with malaria, the offspring might be suffering from Diarrhoea. Why the parent cell might grow cancerous, the offspring might be subjected to rapid grwth induced by some chemical.

The above analogy is aimed at differentiating earthly replication like cloning from the replication that took place in heaven when God gave birth to his son Jesus. It is safe to say that first asexual reproduction was witnessed in heaven. God reproduced Jesus from himself. The son is in every way like his father. No circumstances subject them to any difference. He possess the nature of the father and think like the father. He was given the same power that the father pssoess, omnipotence, omniscient. God is delighted to have him as partner. They are one in every likeness. All subsequent creative work, heaven and Earth were done with Jesus. It is even likely that God ordained his son to carry out the creative work under him. "through him all thing were created and without him there was nothing made the was made"

The only difference in the heavenly father son relation is that the son recogmize the father superior authority, though he possess all the father's attribute. There is perfect harmony. So when the creation of human was about to commence, God said, come let us create man in our own image. Jesus himself asserted to the father's superior authority in him when he said, not even the son of man know the day but only my father in heaven. The father has the authority to initiate suggestion but he works in harmony with his body. The superior authority is the reason God sent his son to the earth to die for man.

It is safe to say Jesus is God. He is God, the same as the father. "For I am in my father and my father is in me" . When you see me, you already see my father. It's just like a print duplicated several times, what difference does it they bare? Jesus is God. He is his father are one. .