budaatum:


No ben, it's not "a baby because the mother did not say remove it from my womb". It's a baby because it was born to the point where it acquired life of its own.

According to you this is not a baby. Oga go sit for gutter

benalvino3:


According to you this is not a baby. Oga go sit for gutter

You are showing how ignorant you are in thinking the majority of the aborted get to that stage.

Go on, post how many weeks old that is!

benalvino3:


Which excuse will you bring? Causing the death of unborn child is murder which is why he was charged for it. Make u and the media continue to show your inhumane behavior by playing with words just to kill a baby

Stop the emotional outburst and show us the murder charge.

budaatum:


You are showing how ignorant you are in thinking the majority of the aborted get to that stage.

Go on, post how many weeks old that is!

Even if it's one abortion it's abortion. You are just making childish arguments. Is this an abortion or murder since you said majority don't get to the stage as an argument

benalvino3:


When the woman consent it's abortion when she does not it's murder? Flip flop

That's the law you and the serenios you are referring us to.

benalvino3:


Tell me what he did? You people call it fetus and it does not have rights until its outside the womb but now it's a baby because the mother did not say remove it from my womb.

You are slowly getting it - woman's rights to her body.

wirinet:

Stop the emotional outburst and show us the murder charge.

Nothing emotional. You try to claim the video I presented a lie. Again, he committed murder or abortion? Instead of you to answer the question I asked you you are talking about emotional outburst. You cant answer it abi? You are trying to argue he did not kill the unborn child at the same time you did not say he committed abortion. If he didn't kill that child why was he charged for it?

Because they did not use the word Murder?

wirinet:


You are slowly getting it - woman's rights to her body.

Lmao. No, you are getting cornered. Murder is murder, abortion should be abortion. A woman cannot say kill the baby in my womb and it's called abortion and at the same time it's murder when another person does it without her concent

benalvino3:


Even if it's one abortion it's abortion. You are just making childish arguments. Is this an abortion or murder since you said majority don't get to the stage as an argument

It is an abortion ben if it is in a woman's body and she decides to remove it according to the law. If it isn't legal she'd be in jail.

Know any woman in jail for aborting, ben?

benalvino3:


Lmao. No, you are getting cornered. Murder is murder, abortion should be abortion. A woman cannot say kill the baby in my womb and it's called abortion and at the same time it's murder when another person does it without her concent

This is like claiming if you killed yourself you've committed murder and not suicide.

A woman does not say "kill the baby in my womb" ben! Spend time with women to hear how they speak.

budaatum:


It is an abortion ben if it is in a woman's body and she decides to remove it according to the law. If it isn't legal she'd be in jail.

Know any woman in jail for aborting, ben?

She should remove the human without killing it. She is a mother for crying out loud and as a murder she is not allowed to abuse her child in her womb or outside her womb.

Explain the photo below.

A pregnant woman was charged for for manslaughter after another woman shoots her in the stomach. No abortion?

benalvino3:


Lmao. No, you are getting cornered. Murder is murder, abortion should be abortion. A woman cannot say kill the baby in my womb and it's called abortion and at the same time it's murder when another person does it without her concent

Almost drowning as the straws you are clutching is getting smaller. Show me a murder conviction for killing an unborn baby. I not talking about press interpretations. I mean an actual murder conviction for a baby solely based on an aborted baby without the mother being the subject of the case.

budaatum:


This is like claiming if you killed yourself you've committed murder and not suicide.

A woman does not say "kill the baby in my womb" ben! Spend time with women to hear how they speak.

Shameful. Shows you don't understand anything.

Murder is the unlawful killing of another human without justification or valid excuse, especially the unlawful killing of another human with malice aforethought.

suicide the action of killing oneself intentionally.

So this baby was not killed?

Ben. You are a waste of time!

budaatum:


https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/07/03/prosecutor-drops-case-against-woman-charged-with-manslaughter-after-her-baby-was-shot-womb/

benalvino3:


Shameful. Shows you don't understand anything.

Murder is the unlawful killing of another human without justification or valid excuse, especially the unlawful killing of another human with malice aforethought.

suicide the action of killing oneself intentionally.

So this baby was not killed?

Now do the same for abortion ben. Show us you unreason!

wirinet:


Almost drowning as the straws you are clutching is getting smaller. Show me a murder conviction for killing an unborn baby. I not talking about press interpretations. I mean an actual murder conviction for a baby solely based on an aborted baby without the mother being the subject of the case.

I just showed you the grand jury decision and you are still arguing. Are you serious?

Can you argue with the second photo too?

benalvino3:


She should remove the human without killing it. She is a mother for crying out loud and as a murder she is not allowed to abuse her child in her womb or outside her womb.

Hear yourself. She's not a woman or a human being, "She is a mother".

Not, her body his choice, ben!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-35551165

budaatum:
Not, her body his choice, ben!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-35551165

Don't mind him, always using strawman's argument.

budaatum:
Not, her body his choice, ben!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-35551165

And now they face problems because they want laws to accommodate abortion and they have to dehumanize the child to do that. A shame. But again, prison time the same with murder charge.

benalvino3:


We are not talking about STDs. Women can have sex with 200 men a day if they want but a man cannot have sex 15 times a day if he wants. Am not talking about with prostitutes, I am talking about consented sex with no money involved.

You keep saying men should keep their dick in their pants, most times it's the women who consent to sex or who decides who have sex with them.

They have wives at home is irrelevant. Some women want the men who has wife because that way they can keep their boyfriend who is not financially established while they buy their iPhones from married men.

armyofone:

For a woman to have sex with men, she just have to ask do you want to have sex to them. Many will say yes because most time women are the ones who consent to sex. For a guy to ask women, it will be hard because him that is asking still has to wait for yes.

You will find more men who are starve of sex in the streets or clubs than women. I hope you get my point. In short, I am saying women can easily have sex if they want to compared to men.

benalvino3:


And now they face ....

The below is precisely why Kevin Wilson was jailed for the same length he would have for murder!

This might educate you why some abort ben, though I wouldn't hold my breath.

I received it by email.

POLITICO illustration/Photos by AP and courtesy of Josina MoriaWhen Josina Morita became pregnant with her first child four years ago, she talked to human resources folks at the Metropolitan Water Reclamation District of Greater Chicago for what she thought would be a three-minute discussion.

Morita found out then that she was the first ever elected official of the $1.2 billion water district to be pregnant. And there was no pregnancy policy for elected officials who, like Morita and many others in state and local government, serve in part-time positions.Changing the policy at the 130-year-old government organization became a “complicated and exhausting ordeal,” says Morita, that saw her have her baby before anything changed. Fortunately, the new maternity policy was in place a few years later when she had her second baby.

Since then, Morita and other elected officials from Illinois have formed the Mama’s Caucus to advocate for pregnant women in government. Among their members is Sen. Tammy Duckworth, the first woman to give birth while in the Senate and the first to bring a baby on the Senate floor. “All I — and probably many other women — could think was, It’s about time,” Duckworth wrote in her recent memoir.

Says Morita: “We say we want more women to run, younger women and women of color, but that means we run for office when we’re having children. If we want more women to run we have to change the culture and the policy.”Rep. Elise Stefanik
, the No. 3-ranking Republican in the House of Representatives, made a similar point about culture in August, after two local news reporters, both men, questioned whether she, as a new mother, would be able to effectively legislate and help lead her party. Stefanik called them out as “sexist” on Twitter, adding “This is sadly why more women choose not to run for office.”

U.S. lawmakers are also newly determined to protect pregnant women and new mothers across the board — especially those in low-wage and non-office jobs who aren’t always able to get simple accommodations to continue working while pregnant. The renewed attention to pregnancy in the workforce is thanks in part to a Democratic administration but also because the pandemic has shined a light on the challenges women face on the job — any job.

Earlier this year, the House passed the Pregnant Workers Fairness Act (PWFA), a bill that was first introduced in 2012. PWFA clears up loopholes in the national Pregnancy Discrimination Act that put the burden on employees to prove they need accommodations because they’re pregnant. The bill says there should be a standard, much the way the American With Disabilities Act functions when accommodations are needed on the job.
“The truth of the matter is that even though this law is over 40 years old, women are still discriminated against in the workplace when they’re pregnant,” Rep. Jackie Speier, one of the bill’s co-sponsors, told Women Rule, referring to the national policy that’s been on the books.

She pointed to the case of Peggy Young, a former UPS driver. In 2006, Young asked to lift lighter packages when she became pregnant only to be told she needed to take unpaid leave instead. Meanwhile, men at UPS who had heart surgery or diabetes received accommodations that allowed them to lift lighter loads. The Supreme Court ruled in Young’s favor in 2014, and an undisclosed settlement with the company was reached.Not every woman in the workforce can take a case to the highest court in the land, and not every case is as decisive as the Supreme Court found in Young v. UPS.Many women “work with their head down” hoping their pregnancies don’t jeopardize their jobs or careers, says Elizabeth Gedmark, VP of A Better Balance, a national legal advocacy organization.

“Pregnant workers are treated like second-class citizens in this country. There’s no other way to say it,” she told Women Rule. “It has an effect on everyone if it’s perceived that pregnant women and new mothers are not able to do the full job — which we know is completely untrue — then people feel forced to take drastic measures whether that’s leaving the workforce or hiding a pregnancy or not requesting changes they might need to help do their job. But without a stronger law on the books, there are too many women left out.”

Over the years, the bill has been approved twice by the House, but the Senate has never voted on it. It seems close this time, now that it has bipartisan support. Still, some Republicans and conservatives have pushed back against the legislation because they oppose accommodating workers who choose to have abortions.Speier hopes passage comes soon. On the House side, the bill has 225 sponsors, 19 of whom are Republicans. And Stefanik is among them.

Happy Friday and welcome Women Rule! As a mom who has juggled being pregnant in the workforce, I could relate to today’s lead story. Though I have to admit, I thought we’d have moved past a lot of these problems by now. Do you have a pregnancy-in-the workforce tale to tell? If so, we’d like to hear. It’s an issue we’re sure to write about again. skapos@politico.com

MARK YOUR CALENDARS -- The 2020 killing of 20-year-old Army soldier Vanessa Guillen, who had told family she was being sexually harassed by several soldiers prior to her disappearance in Fort Hood, galvanized calls to change how the military deals with sexual assault and harassment. Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY) and Sen. Joni Ernst (R-IA), a veteran and a sexual assault survivor, have long pushed Congress to act on the issue. Now, they have proposed bipartisan legislation to overhaul military sexual assault policies. Their efforts are gaining momentum, but still face opposition. Register here to join POLITICO Playbook author Rachael Bade on Thursday, Sept. 23 at 1 PM ET / 10 AM PT, for a Women Rule virtual joint interview with Sen. Ernst and Sen. Gillibrand to discuss the state of their proposed legislation and what it will take to end sexual assault and sexual harassment in the military.

budaatum:


The below is precisely why Kevin Wilson was jailed for the same length he would have for murder!

The lawyer for a teenager who repeatedly punched his pregnant girlfriend in the stomach has told Newsbeat it's too hard to convict people of harming unborn children.

Dusan Bako, 18, from Oldham, has been sentenced to four years and eight months in a young offenders institute after admitting GBH. He assaulted her last August.

The 16-year-old was seven months pregnant.

She lost her baby but a charge of child destruction was dropped.

Bako, who wants to be rapper, had become angry because her phone was switched off.

His defence lawyer, Alison Mafham, can't talk specifically about her client's case but told Newsbeat she believes there is a loophole in the law.

Why it's not murder to kill an unborn child
"Whatever moral standpoint you take, in the eyes of the law an unborn child is not a person, so you can't be charged with murdering an unborn child and you can't be charged with assaulting an unborn child," Alison explains.

A law of child destruction applies to the deaths of some unborn babies, though, and carries a life sentence. Legal abortion is an exception.

But only 16 people have been found guilty of child destruction in 11 years in England and Wales, despite Alison claiming to see more and more attacks on pregnant women.

"The prosecution has to prove not only have you killed a child, capable of being born alive, but you intended to kill it - so you wanted that unborn child dead - and that's quite a hard thing to prove," she says.

If an attacker's intention was to harm an unborn baby rather than kill it, or if they wanted to hurt or kill its mother, the law doesn't recognise any offence against the unborn child.

Prosecutors may find it easier to charge defendants with offences against the mother.

Alison, from Richard Silver solicitors, believes the law is outdated. It was set up in 1929 to deal with backstreet abortions.

But she thinks a new law could be brought in to convict people who "recklessly" kill an unborn baby, an offence similar to manslaughter.

"That would mean if you punch a pregnant woman in the stomach and the unborn child dies, there may still be an offence [against the unborn baby] even if you didn't mean to kill the child."

Additionally, the law of child destruction only applies when the baby could have survived outside the womb at that point. That's generally seen as 28 weeks into pregnancy.

Last year, 18-year-old Aston Robinson was cleared of child destruction after murdering his girlfriend, Kayleigh-Anne Palmer. She had been pregnant for 24 weeks.

In 2009, 24-year-old Richard Brown was jailed for causing the deaths of three passengers while drink and drug driving. 18-year-old Becky Lee was 14 weeks pregnant at the time but no charge was brought for child destruction.


See laws. People are confident to kill their unborn child. Wow

The law is the law. You people will talk about law only when it benefits you. Texas law is more lenient than UK law but budaatum does not talk about that. The law is the law.

To me I have showed you guys a photo of the head of a baby. Call it fetus or abortion all you want but that's murder.

You got to laugh at his or her irresponsibility

The original case was brought by Keira Bell, who says the clinic should have challenged her more over transitioning.

She said she was disappointed by the decision, and will seek permission to appeal to the Supreme Court.

The original case was brought by Keira Bell, who says the clinic should have challenged her more over transitioning.

She said she was disappointed by the decision, and will seek permission to appeal to the Supreme Court.

Keira Bell, one of the claimants in the case, started taking puberty blockers at the age of 16 after being referred to Gids.

She was later prescribed the male hormone testosterone and had surgery to remove her breasts.

Now in her mid-20s, she regrets the decision to transition to a male, and feels there wasn't enough investigation or therapy before she reached that stage.

She said she had "no regrets" about bringing the case, which she said "shone a light into the dark corners of a medical scandal that is harming children and harmed me.

"I am obviously disappointed with the ruling of the court today, and especially that it did not grapple with the significant risk of harm that children are exposed to by being given powerful experimental drugs."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58598186

benalvino3:


The lawyer for a teenager who repeatedly punched his pregnant girlfriend in the stomach has told Newsbeat it's too hard to convict people of harming unborn children.

"The prosecution has to prove not only have you killed a child, capable of being born alive, but you intended to kill it - so you wanted that unborn child dead - and that's quite a hard thing to prove," she says.

The prosecutor lacked competence and should seek counsel from the prosecutor who successfully charged and convicted Kevin Wilson in the same courts.

Meanwhile, in the news today, ironically.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/sep/17/watchdog-finds-staggering-variation-in-police-use-of-clares-law

wirinet:


Don't mind him, always using strawman's argument.

You guys can ask Ben if census is done on a foetus,since it is a human being and has human rights(he may not even know the definition of a human being) let's see how smart he is.

People like him failed biology and don't know simple basic sciences. BeN doesn't know that spermatozoa is a living thing that can die I am sure since sperm has a life men shouldn't be wasting it (being sarcastic). People like him doesn't know that not all pregnancies will live through nine months and that miscarriage is a natural abortion.

budaatum:
You got to laugh at his or her irresponsibility

I'm a doctor - you are bringing me money by wanting my service and still feel I should challenge you not to ?

S/he can switch back.

Abortion isn't a must and it is not by force so I don't get this unnecessary attention it gets.

Same people against social welfare that will benefit children are against abortion but after the child is born that child is on its own and if government wants to help they will be screaming socialism

Lol a lot of kids born into poverty wish they weren't even born to begin with but you see people crying for the foetus unconcerned about the less privilege kids in the streets and orphanages,you lots should pick a struggle.

And let women breath.

Many pro-life crusaders don't really care about the foetus they just care about controling women while absorbing men of blame.

If truly they cared about women they would make laws and put things in place to make life better for the children,their parents and holding men accountable too.

Evangelynn:

You guys can ask Ben if census is done on a foetus,since it is a human being and has human rights(he may not even know the definition of a human being) let's see how smart he is.

People like him failed biology and don't know simple basic sciences. BeN doesn't know that spermatozoa is a living thing that can die I am sure since sperm has a life men shouldn't be wasting the killing it (being sarcastic). People like him doesn't know that not all pregnancies will live through nine months and that miscarriage is a natural abortion.

I wont be surprised if he doesn't know. On this same thread,
He did not know that Americans call "cheque" check.
He doesn't know the Ozone layer exists (he even argued with disstroy on this one).
He showed lack of understanding a basic CC statement.
He thinks contraceptives are 100% foolproof from pregnancy. (even a condom can break)
he thinks contraceptives' do not have side effects

But he would argue all day thinking he is right. He has argued with everyone on this thread on various topics except for maybe Basil.