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It may be time to Remove The Fuel Subsidy in other To save the Naira. by Nobody: 8:06pm On Sep 13, 2021
Nigeria is in between a double edged sword and with the way the exchange rate is spiraling out of control, it calls for immediate action to curb it.

It has gotten to a stage that we are already suffering inflation much more than one should suffer with the removal of fuel subsidy.

Yes the exchange rate might only affect foreign and imported goods, but the domino effect cuts across the local sales whom inflate prices because they would want to stay afloat on purchase of imported goods aswell..

I think it's time to remove subsidy to free up the US dollar being pumped to subsidize that while pushing it into the market to stop the cartels and cabals championing the BDC whom inflate rates as they wish.

E.G - if a toyota truck used to cost 1million, but now cost 3m due to exchange rate, with fuel at N165/litre, I won't mind purchasing at 1m while I buy fuel at N300/litre which would curb smuggling alongside and dollar racketeering.


For the low income earners whom may feel they dont need the car but need the fuel at low price, the low rate of truck would bring in more competition, the availability of the dollar would crash the cost of repair parts which in turn reduces cost of pricing on other expenses that can be substituted for fuel purchase.

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Re: It may be time to Remove The Fuel Subsidy in other To save the Naira. by hargbolahan01: 8:42pm On Sep 13, 2021
If they remove fuel subsidy that doesn't exchange will crach... it will not in sense that the money saved from fuel subsidy will either be shared through allocation or for project why dollar will keep rising as we keep importing

Even if oil price goes up as it has done the govt many not fund exchange market cause they would rather put the money in foreign account than to fund exchange rate...and it's what they believe it's right which I don't blame them
Re: It may be time to Remove The Fuel Subsidy in other To save the Naira. by VeeVeeMyLuv(m): 9:02pm On Sep 13, 2021
See ya mouth like:

"I won't mind purchasing at 1m while I buy fuel at N300/litre which would curb smuggling alongside and dollar racketeering."

Yen yen yen

What is wrong with u?

If they remove subsidy and the petrol price climb up to N300 per litre, there will be much more inflation, bread of N500 will become N1000.

Now u answer this question! When has prices of anything ever gone down in this country?

Had it been that the wages and salaries was increasing concurrently with the rate at which prices of goods and services have been doubling, trippling, and even quadrupling, the situation would not have been this terrible.

Devaluation of local currency has brought nothing but disaster, more inflation, poverty, unemployment, tears, sorrow....

Whoever or whatever is responsible for this devaluation and economic hardships has no soul, compassion nor conscience.

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Re: It may be time to Remove The Fuel Subsidy in other To save the Naira. by SadiqBabaSani: 9:21pm On Sep 13, 2021
Even those shouting abt Nigerian problem, if u put them incharge dey will bww misfiring
Re: It may be time to Remove The Fuel Subsidy in other To save the Naira. by Nobody: 9:43pm On Sep 13, 2021
VeeVeeMyLuv:
See ya mouth like:

"I won't mind purchasing at 1m while I buy fuel at N300/litre which would curb smuggling alongside and dollar racketeering."

Yen yen yen

What is wrong with u?

If they remove subsidy and the petrol price will becomed N300, there will be much more inflation, bread of N500 will become N1000.

Now u answer this question! When has prices of anything ever gone down in this country?

Had it been that the wages and salaries was increasing concurrently with the rate at which prices of goods and services have been doubling, trippling, and even quadrupling, the situation would not have been this terrible.

Devaluation of local currency has brought nothing but disaster, more inflation, poverty, unemployment, tears, sorrow....

Whoever or whatever is responsible for this devaluation and economic hardships has no soul, compassion and conscience.

I understand you perfectly.. but the influx of dollars would definitely meet demand in excess which results in over saturation and a crash in price, with the abysmal low of FDI, it seems like the only option left.

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Re: It may be time to Remove The Fuel Subsidy in other To save the Naira. by Nobody: 9:45pm On Sep 13, 2021
hargbolahan01:
If they remove fuel subsidy that doesn't exchange will crach... it will not in sense that the money saved from fuel subsidy will either be shared through allocation or for project why dollar will keep rising as we keep importing

Even if oil price goes up as it has done the govt many not fund exchange market cause they would rather put the money in foreign account than to fund exchange rate...and it's what they believe it's right which I don't blame them

I have been an advocate of subsidy as it's the only way all Nigerians benefit from Nigeria across board.. but it seems we are faced now between the devil and the sea..
Re: It may be time to Remove The Fuel Subsidy in other To save the Naira. by SarkinYarki: 9:47pm On Sep 13, 2021
Surprisingly it won't free up the dollar crunch ...the govt should concentrate instead on refining fuel at home instead of exporting

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Re: It may be time to Remove The Fuel Subsidy in other To save the Naira. by NwaNimo1(m): 9:47pm On Sep 13, 2021
As oil output continues to dwindle the dollar will become scarcer and the naira continue to plummet........demand for Nigerian crude is also falling

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Re: It may be time to Remove The Fuel Subsidy in other To save the Naira. by Nobody: 9:53pm On Sep 13, 2021
SarkinYarki:
Surprisingly it won't free up the dollar crunch ...the govt should concentrate instead on refining fuel at home instead of exporting

I think it would because so much FX is being used to subsidize petrol, while the limited available under the control of different cartels due to scarcity.
Re: It may be time to Remove The Fuel Subsidy in other To save the Naira. by seunmsg(m): 9:55pm On Sep 13, 2021
Fuel subsidy is not responsible for the current fall in value of the Naira against the dollar.

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Re: It may be time to Remove The Fuel Subsidy in other To save the Naira. by Nobody: 9:57pm On Sep 13, 2021
NwaNimo1:
As oil output continues to dwindle the dollar will become scarcer and the naira continue to plummet........demand for Nigerian crude is also falling

But if we are still subsidising with the indices you portrayed, am afraid we are heading to doom.. because then we would still be subsidising with scarce dollars while the inflation is still on due to scarcity.
Re: It may be time to Remove The Fuel Subsidy in other To save the Naira. by NwaNimo1(m): 10:06pm On Sep 13, 2021
Esseite:


But if we are still subsidising with the indices you portrayed, am afraid we are heading to doom.. because then we would still be subsidising with scarce dollars while the inflation is still on due to scarcity.

Remove subsidy today.......inflation will hit tomorrow!

We saw this when GEJ removed a little!

Fuel subsidy as small as it is remains the only benefit Nigerians get from oil.
Re: It may be time to Remove The Fuel Subsidy in other To save the Naira. by Blue3k(m): 10:24pm On Sep 13, 2021
Lol what you're seeing is the naira getting closer to its true value. Why don't yall just accept the currency float and save time and money on not defending it. This proposal simply amounts to laundering money from one wasteful area to another. Let the naira float and be done with this issue.
Re: It may be time to Remove The Fuel Subsidy in other To save the Naira. by Nobody: 10:32pm On Sep 13, 2021
Blue3k:
Lol what you're seeing is the naira getting closer to its true value. Why don't yall just accept the currency float and save time and money on not defending it. This proposal simply amounts to laundering money from one wasteful area to another. Let the naira float and be done with this issue.

I think the availability of forex from the subsidy of petrol would give the Naira some value due to availability.
Re: It may be time to Remove The Fuel Subsidy in other To save the Naira. by Caboceer: 10:36pm On Sep 13, 2021
Esseite:
Nigeria is in between a double edged sword and with the way the exchange rate is spiraling out of control, it calls for immediate action to curb it.

It has gotten to a stage that we are already suffering inflation much more than one should suffer with the removal of fuel subsidy.

Yes the exchange rate might only affect foreign and imported goods, but the domino effect cuts across the local sales whom inflate prices because they would want to stay afloat on purchase of imported goods aswell..

I think it's time to remove subsidy to free up the US dollar being pumped to subsidize that while pushing it into the market to stop the cartels and cabals championing the BDC whom inflate rates as they wish.

E.G - if a toyota truck used to cost 1million, but now cost 3m due to exchange rate, with fuel at N165/litre, I won't mind purchasing at 1m while I buy fuel at N300/litre which would curb smuggling alongside and dollar racketeering.


For the low income earners whom may feel they dont need the car but need the fuel at low price, the low rate of truck would bring in more competition, the availability of the dollar would crash the cost of repair parts which in turn reduces cost of pricing on other expenses that can be substituted for fuel purchase.

Subsidy has nothing to do with falling naira. Look to Emefiele's PTA policy instead

What a dog...I never imagined someone could be this stupid
Re: It may be time to Remove The Fuel Subsidy in other To save the Naira. by seborrhic: 10:44pm On Sep 13, 2021
Esseite:
Nigeria is in between a double edged sword and with the way the exchange rate is spiraling out of control, it calls for immediate action to curb it.

It has gotten to a stage that we are already suffering inflation much more than one should suffer with the removal of fuel subsidy.

Yes the exchange rate might only affect foreign and imported goods, but the domino effect cuts across the local sales whom inflate prices because they would want to stay afloat on purchase of imported goods aswell..

I think it's time to remove subsidy to free up the US dollar being pumped to subsidize that while pushing it into the market to stop the cartels and cabals championing the BDC whom inflate rates as they wish.

E.G - if a toyota truck used to cost 1million, but now cost 3m due to exchange rate, with fuel at N165/litre, I won't mind purchasing at 1m while I buy fuel at N300/litre which would curb smuggling alongside and dollar racketeering.


For the low income earners whom may feel they dont need the car but need the fuel at low price, the low rate of truck would bring in more competition, the availability of the dollar would crash the cost of repair parts which in turn reduces cost of pricing on other expenses that can be substituted for fuel purchase.
Sometimes I just feel ashamed reading some posts on this site.
The level of poor reasoning exhibited by some people will make you wonder if they actually passed through a proper school.
How on earth will removal of fuel subsidy bring down the dollar rate?
So if it's removed will those importing fuel now pay in Naira?
The same pathetic dullards & reasoning was what made people acclaimed multiple certificates believe & assert that when Dangote refinery comes on stream,the dollar would come down and fuel price will also come down.
I can bet anyone that when that fraudulent refinery comes on stream it would be found that's it's even cheaper buying imported fuel than @ d price Dangote would sell.

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Re: It may be time to Remove The Fuel Subsidy in other To save the Naira. by seborrhic: 10:45pm On Sep 13, 2021
seborrhic:

Sometimes I just feel ashamed reading some posts on this site.
The level of poor reasoning exhibited by some people will make you wonder if they actually passed through a proper school.
How on earth will removal of fuel subsidy bring down the dollar rate?
So if it's removed will those importing fuel now pay in Naira?
The same pathetic dullards & reasoning was what made people with acclaimed multiple certificates believe & assert that when Dangote refinery comes on stream,the dollar would come down and fuel price will also come down.
I can bet anyone that when that fraudulent refinery comes on stream it would be found that's it's even cheaper buying imported fuel than @ d price Dangote would sell.
Re: It may be time to Remove The Fuel Subsidy in other To save the Naira. by Nobody: 11:10pm On Sep 13, 2021
seborrhic:

Sometimes I just feel ashamed reading some posts on this site.
The level of poor reasoning exhibited by some people will make you wonder if they actually passed through a proper school.
How on earth will removal of fuel subsidy bring down the dollar rate?
So if it's removed will those importing fuel now pay in Naira?
The same pathetic dullards & reasoning was what made people acclaimed multiple certificates believe & assert that when Dangote refinery comes on stream,the dollar would come down and fuel price will also come down.
I can bet anyone that when that fraudulent refinery comes on stream it would be found that's it's even cheaper buying imported fuel than @ d price Dangote would sell.

The subsidy on fueling is paid in dollars, freeing that affords us more FX for the CBN and the banks to give to the needed populace which in turn reduces demand with excess supply that results in crash of FX rates... I might be wrong on the process, please enlighten.

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Re: It may be time to Remove The Fuel Subsidy in other To save the Naira. by Newboss(m): 12:20am On Sep 14, 2021
Esseite:


I understand you perfectly.. but the influx of dollars would definitely meet demand in excess which results in over saturation and a crash in price, with the abysmal low of FDI, it seems like the only option left.

Oga, everybody depends on fuel. It's not hard to see that the effect of your talk will be landmark/groundbreaking inflation. Don't create a monster to kill a lion.

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Re: It may be time to Remove The Fuel Subsidy in other To save the Naira. by Newboss(m): 12:25am On Sep 14, 2021
Esseite:


The subsidy on fueling is paid in dollars, freeing that affords us more FX for the CBN and the banks to give to the needed populace which in turn reduces demand with excess supply that results in crash of FX rates... I might be wrong on the process, please enlighten.

I won't be shocked to find out say you na our current CBN governor.
Re: It may be time to Remove The Fuel Subsidy in other To save the Naira. by Nobody: 1:59am On Sep 14, 2021
Newboss:


Oga, everybody depends on fuel. It's not hard to see that the effect of your talk will be landmark/groundbreaking inflation. Don't create a monster to kill a lion.

While everybody depends on fuel, the cost of machineries, equipments and its replacement parts that use fuel are going higher everday which seems like penny wise pound foolish, because the cost would always be passed down to end users. while we are still loosing on currency value.
Re: It may be time to Remove The Fuel Subsidy in other To save the Naira. by Caboceer: 2:03am On Sep 14, 2021
Newboss:


Oga, everybody depends on fuel. It's not hard to see that the effect of your talk will be landmark/groundbreaking inflation. Don't create a monster to kill a lion.

He's a fool

Nigeria is filled with idiots like him
Re: It may be time to Remove The Fuel Subsidy in other To save the Naira. by SmartPolician: 2:43am On Sep 14, 2021
Admittedly, running the economy is the most difficult task before a leader. That said, I strongly believe that removing the fuel subsidy is a bad idea because virtually everything depends on it - chiefly power and transportation. Those have direct impact on the prices of goods on the market.

Moving on, someone should be asking what Godwin Emefiele has been doing with the USD the bank used to give to the operators of Bureau de Change. The CBN claimed that the BDC players abused the $10,000 it used to sell to them twice a week and suspended the intervention funds.

For a short-term strategy...

Now, the CBN has to explore an alternative since they don't trust the BDC operators. This can be done through commercial banks. In truth, commercial banks have lots of foreign currency, but the conditions for accessing those funds are shocking, that's why people, including vendors, run to the black market to source those funds. The CBN can ask them to suspend those stringent rules and disburse USD through the commercial banks under certain conditions. This is not sustainable. Hence, it's only a short-term strategy.

Long-term plan...

First, what happened to the agreement the FG signed with Siemens to provide Nigerians power? We don't see any massive power projects going on across the country. No country can grow its economy if it cannot fix its electricity. A people of 200m cannot depend on 4000 megawatts and generators to build its economy; it hasn't happened before.

Also, where are the modular refineries Buhari promised Nigerians? We must build the capacity to start refining crude oil locally so we don't have to use the little USD we have earned through crude oil sales to buy the finished products. Everyone cannot wait for Dangote before we start refining crude oil in our domain. If Nigerians cannot build those refineries, this government should invite foreign investors who can.

Plus, apparently, agric produce seems to be the next FX revenue earner after petrodollars. The CBN has been intervening in agricultural products, chiefly palm oil and rice. This should be extended to cocoa, millet, cotton, and other cash crops m that will potentially increase Nigeria's foreign currency earnings.

Furthermore, we need to improve the goods and services we produce in Nigeria and encourage Nigerians to patronize them. Whatever happened to the popular campaign buy made-in-Nigeria products to help the naira grow? Our penchant for foreign goods (products) is worrisome. This should be extended to our education system and healthcare because we lose a lot of money sending people abroad to study and accessing medical care. It is even funny that Nigerians are traveling to Ghana to attend university education. Buhari is a monumental disaster in this regard. With the way he flies to London every now and then, one would think that the Aso Rock annex is in the UK.

Lastly, we cannot continue to play politics with farmer-herder clash. That problem should not take too long to address. Nobody should be talking about grazing reserves in the 21st century. The woman I normally buy yams from once told me that yams were costly because Benue people are scared of going to the farms - thanks to the marauders.

If we don't work on all these points I discussed, we will continue to struggle with inflation because we are practically running a dollarized economy today.

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Re: It may be time to Remove The Fuel Subsidy in other To save the Naira. by gabolak(m): 2:53am On Sep 14, 2021
That will seriously add to the plight of the masses
Re: It may be time to Remove The Fuel Subsidy in other To save the Naira. by StaffofOrayan(m): 5:40am On Sep 14, 2021
Suffer head no go kill una!
You don't enjoy steady electricity, u have to deal with terrible roads and now, insecurity! Still the suffer heads are pretending to have small sense, asking for subsidies that have been removed twice to be removed again!

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Re: It may be time to Remove The Fuel Subsidy in other To save the Naira. by VeeVeeMyLuv(m): 6:45am On Sep 14, 2021
StaffofOrayan:
Suffer head no go kill una!
You don't enjoy steady electricity, u have to deal with terrible roads and now, insecurity! Still the suffer heads are pretending to have small sense, asking for subsidies that have been removed twice to be removed again!
grin grin grin
Very laughable. The whole matter got me tired
Re: It may be time to Remove The Fuel Subsidy in other To save the Naira. by Tianamen1: 7:09am On Sep 14, 2021
esseite
The only way removing subsidies could lead to a stronger naira is if the effect of the increase in price from 165 to 300 leads to a decrease in the quantity of petrol Nigerians demand. (i.e. the government would need to purchase less fuel priced in dollars)

This is impossible as petrol is a necessary commodity for survival so at any price, people will still need to purchase it. again our population is on a constant rise. More people equate to a greater demand for fuel which is priced in dollars.

Dangote's refinery may not make much of a difference too because crude oil would need to be sold to him in naira for him to in turn sale petrol to Nigerians in Naira. there may be a net positive, but may not be large enough to make much of a dent to the value of the naira.

However, if Dangote's refinery were to sale petrol to neighboring African countries and then invest his profits in Nigeria, the naira would be positively impacted. to achieve this, local refined petrol must be more than local demand for petrol and Dangote must also be willing to further invest his profit here.

Finally, the naira rate is a lagging indicator meaning that the price we see is not actually always the real value based on government controls. the naira may already be 800 to a dollar and whatever policy is taking today can not change this.

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Re: It may be time to Remove The Fuel Subsidy in other To save the Naira. by Nobody: 7:21am On Sep 14, 2021
Esseite:
Nigeria is in between a double edged sword and with the way the exchange rate is spiraling out of control, it calls for immediate action to curb it.

It has gotten to a stage that we are already suffering inflation much more than one should suffer with the removal of fuel subsidy.

Yes the exchange rate might only affect foreign and imported goods, but the domino effect cuts across the local sales whom inflate prices because they would want to stay afloat on purchase of imported goods aswell..

I think it's time to remove subsidy to free up the US dollar being pumped to subsidize that while pushing it into the market to stop the cartels and cabals championing the BDC whom inflate rates as they wish.

E.G - if a toyota truck used to cost 1million, but now cost 3m due to exchange rate, with fuel at N165/litre, I won't mind purchasing at 1m while I buy fuel at N300/litre which would curb smuggling alongside and dollar racketeering.


For the low income earners whom may feel they dont need the car but need the fuel at low price, the low rate of truck would bring in more competition, the availability of the dollar would crash the cost of repair parts which in turn reduces cost of pricing on other expenses that can be substituted for fuel purchase.

How are you sure govt is subsidizing fuel? You think if govt is actually subsidizing fuel (and not in actual fact, using it as a ploy to steal) the subsidy wouldn't have been yanked off a long time ago? Like, you think these bums give a flying f**k about citizens' welfare and interest?
Re: It may be time to Remove The Fuel Subsidy in other To save the Naira. by Nobody: 6:31am On Sep 18, 2021
Esseite:
Nigeria is in between a double edged sword and with the way the exchange rate is spiraling out of control, it calls for immediate action to curb it.

It has gotten to a stage that we are already suffering inflation much more than one should suffer with the removal of fuel subsidy.

Yes the exchange rate might only affect foreign and imported goods, but the domino effect cuts across the local sales whom inflate prices because they would want to stay afloat on purchase of imported goods aswell..

I think it's time to remove subsidy to free up the US dollar being pumped to subsidize that while pushing it into the market to stop the cartels and cabals championing the BDC whom inflate rates as they wish.

E.G - if a toyota truck used to cost 1million, but now cost 3m due to exchange rate, with fuel at N165/litre, I won't mind purchasing at 1m while I buy fuel at N300/litre which would curb smuggling alongside and dollar racketeering.


For the low income earners whom may feel they dont need the car but need the fuel at low price, the low rate of truck would bring in more competition, the availability of the dollar would crash the cost of repair parts which in turn reduces cost of pricing on other expenses that can be substituted for fuel purchase.

1.Welcome to the club of subsidy haters

2.This argument of yours makes a lot of sense

3.The problem is, Nigerians love everything cheap. Most of the people abusing you here, if Buhari tomorrow announced fuel was N40 per liter, and paid the subsidy, they will call him a good leader irrespective of the amount of economic hurt such a decision would cause for us.

4.Subsidy has to go. Maybe government can pay a palliative of N20000 per car owner...till the economic hardship ends. But that's just me thinking out loud.
Re: It may be time to Remove The Fuel Subsidy in other To save the Naira. by Poiu11: 6:36am On Sep 18, 2021
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Re: It may be time to Remove The Fuel Subsidy in other To save the Naira. by VeeVeeMyLuv(m): 8:24am On Sep 18, 2021
Modrovdeux:


1.Welcome to the club of subsidy haters

2.This argument of yours makes a lot of sense

3.The problem is, Nigerians love everything cheap. Most of the people abusing you here, if Buhari tomorrow announced fuel was N40 per liter, and paid the subsidy, they will call him a good leader irrespective of the amount of economic hurt such a decision would cause for us.

4.Subsidy has to go. Maybe government can pay a palliative of N20000 per car owner...till the economic hardship ends. But that's just me thinking out loud.
it will not change anything as long as the huge chunk of fuel consumed continue to be imported!

No b naija again? grin grin

Since they are poor economic managers, this will give rise to more inflation with a severe blow to the purchasing power of masses (as a result of income remaining static as usual).

Then people (civil servants, public servants, govt persons) will start to pannick due to economic uncertainty and begin to look for ways to manipulate and loot public funds to japa (migrate to advance country, steal dollars and launder outside the country, to fund their kid's education overseas....the list is endless.

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