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Re: VAT: FIRS’ Exclusive List Push Suffers Setback At NASS by Darkblood: 6:26am On Sep 19, 2021
You are getting it wrong.
vat is tax on consumption, it's until u consume u incure that tax, the state where the product is consumed the most is where they vat will be collected, it's easy... There are some products which are VAT exempted like agric products states producing such produce should add value to it so they can get vat from it. Enough of being spoonfed, governance should be left for smart people, If u can't think outside the box resign
Modrovdeux:


If you think you are paying higher now, you will pay higher when states implement VAT collection

Let's take alcohol. I buy alcohol in Lagos...I pay vat there...but the alcohol is eventually destined for Enugu state...where VAT is paid again...

Or bread...I buy flour in Kaduna.....VAT is paid there...to make bread in Gombe..and on selling the bread...VAT IS PAID per loaf of bread sold

Naturally, I won't be paying the VAT...I'll pass the cost of the VAT to the consumer in the form of even higher prices.

Then there is the fact that states can and will increase VAT...because, you know, revenues from oil and allocations from Abuja are falling.

At the end of the day, wahala dey.

I am all for restructuring and more autonomy for the states, but I also know that you Nigerians don't want to pay higher for anything.

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Re: VAT: FIRS’ Exclusive List Push Suffers Setback At NASS by Darkblood: 6:29am On Sep 19, 2021
Yes this makes sense, but in a situation where a state gets vat return that is far less than what it generates,
Hmmmm, I can't generate 10-15b naira as vat and now get a return of 4-5b naira while a state that generated 2-3b gets back it's own 2-3b when its shared, it's not rewarding bros
Modrovdeux:


Yeah, which is why eventually, alcohol VAT can be shared among states that consume alcohol...excluding states like Kano.

Plus booze is not the only VATABLE stuff...and it does not raise the highest level of VAT , you know.

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Re: VAT: FIRS’ Exclusive List Push Suffers Setback At NASS by skywalker240(m): 6:31am On Sep 19, 2021
Modrovdeux:


And at the end of the day, many of you would pay higher for some of your favorite consumer products due to....higher VAT in some states, plus double vat collection (VAT being collected on goods sold in Lagos for distribution in Enugu..where another VAT would be collected)



Plus, it does not solve the issue of low level of taxation by state and federal governments.

Modified

Many companies have their HQ in Lagos. VAT would, under a state by state process, be higher automatically in Lagos, since many companies pay VAT on their profits, which are reported in Lag. Then the products they produce...will attract VAT in each and every state where they are sold.

At the end of the day...higher taxes in form of higher prices.
Abokii go sitdown one side with your burukutu mindset.

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Re: VAT: FIRS’ Exclusive List Push Suffers Setback At NASS by CR777: 6:32am On Sep 19, 2021
Modrovdeux:


If you think you are paying higher now, you will pay higher when states implement VAT collection

Let's take alcohol. I buy alcohol in Lagos...I pay vat there...but the alcohol is eventually destined for Enugu state...where VAT is paid again...

Or bread...I buy flour in Kaduna.....VAT is paid there...to make bread in Gombe..and on selling the bread...VAT IS PAID per loaf of bread sold

Naturally, I won't be paying the VAT...I'll pass the cost of the VAT to the consumer in the form of even higher prices.

Then there is the fact that states can and will increase VAT...because, you know, revenues from oil and allocations from Abuja are falling.

At the end of the day, wahala dey.

I am all for restructuring and more autonomy for the states, but I also know that you Nigerians don't want to pay higher for anything.

Stop making a fool of yourself Mr man, parasite.

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Re: VAT: FIRS’ Exclusive List Push Suffers Setback At NASS by ogwumgbe: 6:35am On Sep 19, 2021
Modrovdeux:


And at the end of the day, many of you would pay higher for some of your favorite consumer products due to....higher VAT in some states, plus double vat collection (VAT being collected on goods sold in Lagos for distribution in Enugu..where another VAT would be collected)



Plus, it does not solve the issue of low level of taxation by state and federal governments.

Modified

Many companies have their HQ in Lagos. VAT would, under a state by state process, be higher automatically in Lagos, since many companies pay VAT on their profits, which are reported in Lag. Then the products they produce...will attract VAT in each and every state where they are sold.

At the end of the day...higher taxes in form of higher prices.

Yes in all that the States will have enough to execute projects instead of sending it to the Federal government that will use our tax money to higher 100 private jets to attend the wedding party of a jobless elite in the North

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Re: VAT: FIRS’ Exclusive List Push Suffers Setback At NASS by Nobody: 6:40am On Sep 19, 2021
Darkblood:
You are getting it wrong.
vat is tax on consumption, it's until u consume u incure that tax, the state where the product is consumed the most is where they vat will be collected, it's easy
...

If it was that easy, then why do companies with a national outlook pay their VAT for their national profits...in Lagos where their HQ is?

Plus, if I buy goods wholesale in Lagos for sale elsewhere...it would be counted as 'consumption' for the purposes of taxation.(Because states are broke and need the money)

At the end of the day, there would be dobule taxation.

Then I haven;t mentioned that states can raise VAT at a higher level than the federal government because....most states don't have enough cash, and are in debt.

All in all, whether dobule taxation or higher VAT...you the consumer pays higher.


There are some products which are VAT exempted like agric products states producing such produce should add value to it so they can get vat from it

In other words, states should charge VAT on their agric produce.....okay. (Price rises coming up....)

. Enough of being spoonfed, governance should be left for smart people, If u can't think outside the box resign

So a situation where a bottle of Star lager increases in price because of multiple taxation due to VAT is optimal for you?

Or a situation where prices of airtime and data go up because each and every state is charging VAT on calls made in their territory..is good for you too?

Right....

(And yes, most governors are lazy, and yes they should charge more tax. But VAT by the states is not the way forward)
Re: VAT: FIRS’ Exclusive List Push Suffers Setback At NASS by Nobody: 6:41am On Sep 19, 2021
ogwumgbe:


Yes in all that the States will have enough to execute projects instead of sending it to the Federal government that will use our tax money to higher 100 private jets to attend the wedding party of a jobless elite in the North

At the expense of higher prices for beer, and higher airtime prices too.....because now each state is charging VAT on everything.

But no, we have to beat those Northerners....

(A lot of Southerners too were at that wedding. Nigeria's elite are a tribe on their own)

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Re: VAT: FIRS’ Exclusive List Push Suffers Setback At NASS by Nobody: 6:43am On Sep 19, 2021
CR777:


Stop making a fool of yourself Mr man, parasite.

Good morning to you too, Mr wise old man, whose wisdom exceeds that of Solomon.

P.S : You don't need to be abusive. It reflects badly on you and makes you look like a child. Only children who are poorly brought up talk the way you do.

But do go on. Abuse me more, if it makes you feel better....go on. cool

Re: VAT: FIRS’ Exclusive List Push Suffers Setback At NASS by walozanga(m): 6:43am On Sep 19, 2021
chiiraq802:
cool

Anything to checkmate Northern leeches is a welcome development for me.

I can't be buying 4 bottles of Heineken every weekdays from mama Big Chic bar, then States that say there religion forbids my sweet Heineken(na eye service shaa!!! nobody drink and high pass Northerners) will be raking in more money as VAT from my Heineken money than State mama Big Chic Bar is situated at.

E no just make sense at all.

Wike, Sanwo Olu and my new found nigga Aketi, na una papa born una.

Oga who gave u this type of reason.
Re: VAT: FIRS’ Exclusive List Push Suffers Setback At NASS by Nobody: 6:45am On Sep 19, 2021
skywalker240:

Abokii go sitdown one side with your burukutu mindset.

Re: VAT: FIRS’ Exclusive List Push Suffers Setback At NASS by AroleOduduwa2: 6:46am On Sep 19, 2021
They are called leech for a reason, imagine someone fighting for what is not theirs. We said we are done giving handout to you guys, generate your own revenue, find a way to tax your people, after all you claim you are more populated.

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Re: VAT: FIRS’ Exclusive List Push Suffers Setback At NASS by Facidio: 6:50am On Sep 19, 2021
Modrovdeux:


And at the end of the day, many of you would pay higher for some of your favorite consumer products due to....higher VAT in some states, plus double vat collection (VAT being collected on goods sold in Lagos for distribution in Enugu..where another VAT would be collected)



Plus, it does not solve the issue of low level of taxation by state and federal governments.

Modified

Many companies have their HQ in Lagos. VAT would, under a state by state process, be higher automatically in Lagos, since many companies pay VAT on their profits, which are reported in Lag. Then the products they produce...will attract VAT in each and every state where they are sold.

At the end of the day...higher taxes in form of higher prices.

Oga shut up. We don't care. All we want is states should collect vat. Simple as ABC

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Re: VAT: FIRS’ Exclusive List Push Suffers Setback At NASS by ogwumgbe: 6:51am On Sep 19, 2021
Modrovdeux:


At the expense of higher prices for beer, and higher airtime prices too.....because now each state is charging VAT on everything.

But no, we have to beat those Northerners....

(A lot of Southerners too were at that wedding. Nigeria's elite are a tribe on their own)

Well it will encourage industrialization, anything that will make the governors to stop being lazy and sit up is welcome. If Beer in Lagos will cost higher prize in Anambra, then Anambra should produce their own beer and boycott Lagos beer, that's development and creating more jobs.

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Re: VAT: FIRS’ Exclusive List Push Suffers Setback At NASS by Nobody: 6:53am On Sep 19, 2021
ogwumgbe:


Well it will encourage industrialization, anything that will make the governors to stop being lazy and sit up is welcome. If Beer in Lagos will cost higher prize in Anambra, then Anambra should produce their own beer and boycott Lagos beer, that's development and creating more jobs.

I hope it works that way.
Re: VAT: FIRS’ Exclusive List Push Suffers Setback At NASS by Nobody: 6:54am On Sep 19, 2021
Facidio:

Oga shut up. We don't care. All we want is states should collect vat. Simple as ABC

Ok, little girl. cool
Re: VAT: FIRS’ Exclusive List Push Suffers Setback At NASS by CR777: 6:56am On Sep 19, 2021
Modrovdeux:


Good morning to you too, Mr wise old man, whose wisdom exceeds that of Solomon.

P.S : You don't need to be abusive. It reflects badly on you and makes you look like a child. Only children who are poorly brought up talk the way you do.

But do go on. Abuse me more, if it makes you feel better....go on. cool

You are right, my abusive nature is only activated when stupid people display their stupidity in the public. You know nothing about vat, just keep quiet and learn from those who do.

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Re: VAT: FIRS’ Exclusive List Push Suffers Setback At NASS by ogwumgbe: 6:56am On Sep 19, 2021
Modrovdeux:


I hope it works that way.

That's the simple logic of demand and supply

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Re: VAT: FIRS’ Exclusive List Push Suffers Setback At NASS by blackpanda: 7:00am On Sep 19, 2021
Modrovdeux:


And at the end of the day, many of you would pay higher for some of your favorite consumer products due to....higher VAT in some states, plus double vat collection (VAT being collected on goods sold in Lagos for distribution in Enugu..where another VAT would be collected)



Plus, it does not solve the issue of low level of taxation by state and federal governments.

Modified

Many companies have their HQ in Lagos. VAT would, under a state by state process, be higher automatically in Lagos, since many companies pay VAT on their profits, which are reported in Lag. Then the products they produce...will attract VAT in each and every state where they are sold.

At the end of the day...higher taxes in form of higher prices.

Don't bother. Many Nigerians aren't rational. In their mind, it's a tribal issue i.e north vs south

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Re: VAT: FIRS’ Exclusive List Push Suffers Setback At NASS by skywalker240(m): 7:02am On Sep 19, 2021
Modrovdeux:
.
now he has resorted to what they know how to do best, emotional blackmail.

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Re: VAT: FIRS’ Exclusive List Push Suffers Setback At NASS by blackpanda: 7:03am On Sep 19, 2021
ogwumgbe:


Well it will encourage industrialization, anything that will make the governors to stop being lazy and sit up is welcome. If Beer in Lagos will cost higher prize in Anambra, then Anambra should produce their own beer and boycott Lagos beer, that's development and creating more jobs.

You are mistaking production for collection of vat. State govts don't manufacture anything, they will just focus on increasing tax to make more money. The governor's don't drink ur local beers anyways. It's still the citizens that will suffer, businesses will close. And fgn will not be able to help u.
Re: VAT: FIRS’ Exclusive List Push Suffers Setback At NASS by walemoney007(m): 7:03am On Sep 19, 2021
Modrovdeux:
...

If it was that easy, then why do companies with a national outlook pay their VAT for their national profits...in Lagos where their HQ is?

Plus, if I buy goods wholesale in Lagos for sale elsewhere...it would be counted as 'consumption' for the purposes of taxation.(Because states are broke and need the money)

At the end of the day, there would be dobule taxation.

Then I haven;t mentioned that states can raise VAT at a higher level than the federal government because....most states don't have enough cash, and are in debt.

All in all, whether dobule taxation or higher VAT...you the consumer pays higher.




In other words, states should charge VAT on their agric produce.....okay. (Price rises coming up....)



So a situation where a bottle of Star lager increases in price because of multiple taxation due to VAT is optimal for you?

Or a situation where prices of airtime and data go up because each and every state is charging VAT on calls made in their territory..is good for you too?

Right....

(And yes, most governors are lazy, and yes they should charge more tax. But VAT by the states is not the way forward)
Can you list a country in the world, practising a federal system of government, where the central Govt is collecting VAT?

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Re: VAT: FIRS’ Exclusive List Push Suffers Setback At NASS by faste: 7:03am On Sep 19, 2021
decatalyst:
Make e suffer blow and bomb sef!

States should generate VAT and just send a percent to the federal government!


The center has too much powers.
State will not send any Vat money to FG,what has the FG done with the oil wealth that ought to be controled by the state but hijacked by FG through the fraudulent constitution?

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Re: VAT: FIRS’ Exclusive List Push Suffers Setback At NASS by Nobody: 7:05am On Sep 19, 2021
walemoney007:
Can you list a country in the world, where the central Govt is collecting VAT?

In the UK, it is the central government

In India it is a state by state basis.

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Re: VAT: FIRS’ Exclusive List Push Suffers Setback At NASS by Nobody: 7:07am On Sep 19, 2021
skywalker240:


now he has resorted to what they know how to do best, emotional blackmail.

In response to someone who abused me by calling me an aboki

skywalker240:

Abokii go sitdown one side with your burukutu mindset.

Your words, sir.

Good morning, and grow up.
Re: VAT: FIRS’ Exclusive List Push Suffers Setback At NASS by ogwumgbe: 7:08am On Sep 19, 2021
blackpanda:


You are mistaking production for collection of vat. State govts don't manufacture anything, they will just focus on increasing tax to make more money. The governor's don't drink ur local beers anyways. It's still the citizens that will suffer, businesses will close. And fgn will not be able to help u.

Lagos State generated 49 billion and got 15 billion, If they use that 49 billion in their state, it will improve the lots of the masses, what we the masses need from you is infrastructure, we have been surviving without your help, so let the states collect Vats and build good road network, constant electricity, adequate water supply, we will be willing to pay for it period
Re: VAT: FIRS’ Exclusive List Push Suffers Setback At NASS by walemoney007(m): 7:08am On Sep 19, 2021
Modrovdeux:


In the UK, it is the central government

In India it is a state by state basis.
Pardon my question.

Is the UK practising a federal system of government?

I agree with you in all what you are saying on this thread though.
Re: VAT: FIRS’ Exclusive List Push Suffers Setback At NASS by faste: 7:09am On Sep 19, 2021
CondemnBattery:

They loot it, for their greedy purposes
So the FG does not loot abi ?
Re: VAT: FIRS’ Exclusive List Push Suffers Setback At NASS by Nobody: 7:09am On Sep 19, 2021
blackpanda:


Don't bother. Many Nigerians aren't rational. In their mind, it's a tribal issue i.e north vs south

That's the sad thing.

For many of them it is all about alcohol...as if alcohol is the only VATABLE thing. A lot of other things are vatable in Nigeria.

Note that I am not opposed to states collecting VAT...it is the unintended consequences that worry me, and so far no one has answered my worries.

Instead, I am somehow an aboki for expressing them.

Ah well, it does not matter. We beat the Northerners. Yay!

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Re: VAT: FIRS’ Exclusive List Push Suffers Setback At NASS by Nobody: 7:11am On Sep 19, 2021
CR777:


You are right, my abusive nature is only activated when stupid people display their stupidity in the public. You know nothing about vat, just keep quiet and learn from those who do.

Re: VAT: FIRS’ Exclusive List Push Suffers Setback At NASS by faste: 7:17am On Sep 19, 2021
walemoney007:
Pardon my question.
Is the UK practising a federal system of government?
I agree with you in all what you are saying on this thread though.
No.

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