hupernikao:


You must observe well, all the testimonies of the prophets in the scriptures, their writings and prophecies to understand why Jesus is the God of OT. This will become clear when you read their writings properly. They spoke in clear terms of a God, that will come in human flesh to save. This is the basis of the doctrine.

When you read the whole Bible together, this will make more sense to you.

That
1. The God in Genesis was the one who is only from the beginning (one God).

2. The same God is who came in human flesh as Jesus, a man, called the son of God.

This is the reason, Jesus, the man was referred to as God, because of his preexistence as God.


So, Jesus, a man, existed as the only God in the beginning but came to us in humanity. Hence why he can suffer, die and cry. Those are traits of a man not God. God can't die. Hence he exhibited all traits of man in his humanity.


So, when ever, you mention Jesus always know you will see the attribute of man in display, as that was God in the flesh (man). This is why and how salvation of man was possible.

shidof:
Cos it's illogical. They won't have a valid answer

shidof:
In summary, how does that Word of God equate to God. And can you give me any verse in the Bible where Jesus Christ unambiguously declare himself as the God.


Bible verses that says God is not Man
Numbers 23:19
19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?


For I am God, and not man’ (Hosea 11:9).

Isaiah 45:5

I am the LORD, and there is no other; apart from me there is no God. I will strengthen you, though you have not acknowledged me.

When Jesus was accused of being God and he denied it

The son can do nothing of himself, but what he sees the Father do’; and directly after ‘I can of mine own self do nothing.’ (John 5:19, 30)

In answer to the charge of making himself God, he appeals to the Jews in substance thus: Your own Scriptures call Moses a god, and your magistrates gods; I am surely not inferior to them, yet I did not call myself God, but only the ‘son’ of God (John 10:34-36).

johnw47:


The Word of God, had a beginning in the flesh. john 1:14

Your Bible disagrees
Colossians 1:15, Why would Jesus Christ be the first born of EVERY creature when millions of people have lived & died on earth before his birth in the flesh?

johnw47:


before then, Wisdom/The Word of God, had a beginning as a separate Person to God. proverbs 8:22-25
God bought forth Wisdom out of Himself.

John W have made 2 salient confession:.
Number 1 ; before then, Wisdom/The Word of God, had a beginning as a separate Person to God. proverbs 8:22-25 (in the spirit realm)
Number 2:
The Word of God, had a beginning in the flesh.
Therefore, the word/Wisdom first had a beginning in the spirit realm , John W talk am.
God created ,"Brought forth "a separate person" being called "Wisdom" (revealed to be Jesus @ 1 Corinthians 1:24)
Shidof, take note of the 2 Screenshots.
The Hebrew lexicon Qanah = CREATE
@ Proverbs 8:22, Genesis 14:19,22. Psalms 139:13
Brought forth, Possess,Maker, Produce = CREATE

johnw47:

The Spirit of Wisdom, The Spirit of knowledge etc. is that same One Holy Spirit that is God:

johnw47:

Isa_11:2  The Spirit of the LORD will rest on Him, The spirit of wisdom and understanding, The spirit of counsel and strength, The spirit of knowledge and the fear of the LORD.

johnw47:

God possessed Wisdom at the beginning of His way/before His works of old.
His works of old are of course, the beginning of His way

God and Wisdom/The Word, was there at the beginning of creation
God possessed Wisdom at creation, and before that Wisdom has always existed in God, of course

johnw47:

God is greater than The Word of God/than The Lord Jesus Christ
it was God Who bought Wisdom out of Himself, and Jesus is flesh

johnw47:

God bringing Wisdom out of Himself can be likened to birth
but not likened to create, because Wisdom always existed in God

johnw47:

if you want to bring into question something that i have said
then quote what i said

for instance where did i say God is flesh?
i have of course said many times that God is a Spirit:

Joh_4:24  God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
Jesus is The Son of God
before and after becoming Man He is The Word of God
[s]reply to what i write or be like the confused false jw's , who much of the time
must be replying to the voices in their heads


your confusion got 2 likes
there are at least 2 other confused ones here, funny[/s]

shidof:
I have heard a lot of Christians always equate Jesus Christ as God Almighty but I've a question that has always been disturbing my mind.
Who was in charge of the world before Jesus was born, who created Adam, Abraham, eve and all the other creature before Jesus was born?? God is immortal but Jesus died and it was even through the hands of Human beings. So, what are the reasons to justify that Jesus Christ is still the same as the God Almighty who wasn't born by anybody and he didn't give birth to any one either.

chiedu7:


As Jesus Himself said, you know neither the bible nor the word of God

Mark 12:24
ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God?

Jesus is the Lord of Sabbath,which means the Jews worshiped Him

Mark 2:28
Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath

Thats Why David called Jesus His Lord

Matthew 22
42 Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The son of David.

43 He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying,

44 The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?

45 If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?

Because Jesus said that before Abraham was the Father of the Jews was, He Jesus Christ is "I AM" not "I WAS but I AM". This means Jesus lacks a beginning

John 8:58
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

Jesus has always been, when He died on the cross the body died not the spirit.
Jesus gave the Father His spirit, so the body could die

Luke 23:46
And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.

Since His spirit was alive ,He Jesus took up His body to avoid rot

John 10
17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.

18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

Jesus said He is the Almighty, Remember Jesus is to come not the Father

Revelation 1:8
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

So yes Jesus is FULL GOD, thats why the bible said that everything about being God is in Jesus. Including being almighty

Colossians 2:9
For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

So Yes Jesus is God Almighty who died for fools like you & sinners like me

Amateur bible disputer you are

FreedomfromtheT:
I said it! You are obviously one of those whose minds are sealed. I am not responding because of you but because of those whose minds are open. I quoted a lot of verses showing that Jesus is God and explaining why He had to subordinate Himself to the Father. As for your false assertion that I can't support Trinity with one verse of the Bible, I want those who are not blind to read Matthew 28:20;
John 1:1; John 20:28; Acts 5: 3,4; Acts 20:28; Hebrews 9:13,14; 1st Timothy 3:16; Revelation 1:8 and specifically 1st John 5:7 which reads" For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word (Jesus Christ) and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one". That is Trinity right there. As for Trinity being illogical (from the human perspective), may be, but as for being supported by a biblical verse, as those who are not blind can see, there more than one verse showing that just as the Father is God, Jesus Christ is God and the Holy Ghost (or Holy Spirit) is equally God. Thank you.

tctrills:

He isn't the one the bible refers to as the Almighty God but much of your facts about him are not correct. Remember in John 8.58 Jesus Declared, before Abraham, I am.
Also in John 1. 1-5 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him, nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.
Christ was the creator.
Finally, his life was not taken John 10.18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
I hope these help

Janosky:

Your "I am" is whose servant @ John 20:17 & Acts 3:13?
In heaven your "I am" is whose son @ John 8:38?

Greek lexicon John 1:1, John 4:24, John 14:1, According to Jesus Christ and John, is Jesus Christ ho Theos the God?
There are how many "I am" in John 8:38,58?
Acts 17:24 and 1 Corinthians 8:6 & Ephesians 3:14-15, did Paul teach you Jesus is Creator?

Janosky:

Your Bible disagrees
Colossians 1:15, Why would Jesus Christ be the first born of EVERY creature when millions of people have lived & died on earth before his birth in the flesh?

Janosky:
John W have made 2 salient confession:.
Number 1 ; before then, Wisdom/The Word of God, had a beginning as a separate Person to God. proverbs 8:22-25 (in the spirit realm)
Number 2:
The Word of God, had a beginning in the flesh.
Therefore, the word/Wisdom first had a beginning in the spirit realm , John W talk am.
God created ,"Brought forth "a separate person" being called "Wisdom" (revealed to be Jesus @ 1 Corinthians 1:24)
Shidof, take note of the 2 Screenshots.
The Hebrew lexicon Qanah = CREATE
@ Proverbs 8:22, Genesis 14:19,22. Psalms 139:13
Brought forth, Possess,Maker, Produce = CREATE

Janosky:
Is John W's "holy spirit" not a separate, distinct person from his other 2 person Gods?
Why did John W claim that Jesus is holy spirit?
Or John W is more confused?

Janosky:
John W confusing himself
Why would your 'spirit of Wisdom' be given another spirit called "spirit of the Lord"
@ Isaiah 11:2?

Janosky:
before then, Wisdom/The Word of God, had a beginning as a separate Person to God. proverbs 8:22-25.
John W talk am, "the Wisdom" of Proverbs 8:22 had a beginning as a separate person.
A creature of God @ Proverbs 8:22.
Proverbs 8:29 & 1 Corinthians 1:24 the Wisdom is a living creature/ "skilled Craftsman" at the Father's side. A living entity, "separate person to God" .

Janosky:
Matthew 27:46 & John 5:37 Jesus Christ confessed there is no equality between him & his God & Father.
Trinity na man made scam.

Janosky:
John W you played yourself with that last sentence
John W already said:
before then, Wisdom/The Word of God, had a beginning as a separate Person to God. proverbs 8:22-25
Proverbs 8:22,29 the Wisdom/ skilled Craftsman" is a separate person to God"

Side Note:
John W, you have to give credit to Jehovah's Witnesses on this forum for exposure of Proverbs 8:22 & 1 Corinthians 1:24 referencing Jesus Christ personified as Wisdom, the first born of every creature of God Almighty, Colossians 1:15.
Jehovah's Witnesses espoused the truth of Proverbs 8:22 on this public forum inspite of strong opposition from 3 Gods Polytheists pretending to be Christians.
The evidence plentiful on Nairaland.

shidof:
but some people believe Jesus is the same as the Almighty God. Besides, how many God do you even think we have

Janosky:

John W have said his own version of Jesus is God in the flesh.
Confused 3 Gods Polytheist.

shidof:
I have heard a lot of Christians always equate Jesus Christ as God Almighty but I've a question that has always been disturbing my mind.
Who was in charge of the world before Jesus was born, who created Adam, Abraham, eve and all the other creature before Jesus was born?? God is immortal but Jesus died and it was even through the hands of Human beings. So, what are the reasons to justify that Jesus Christ is still the same as the God Almighty who wasn't born by anybody and he didn't give birth to any one either.

Janosky:

John W have said his own version of Jesus is God in the flesh.
Confused 3 Gods Polytheist.

tctrills:

He isn't the one the bible refers to as the Almighty God but much of your facts about him are not correct. Remember in John 8.58 Jesus Declared, before Abraham, I am.
Also in John 1. 1-5 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him, nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.
Christ was the creator.
Finally, his life was not taken John 10.18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
I hope these help

johnw47:


The Word of God did, who became the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ
Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 
Joh 1:2  The same was in the beginning with God. 
Joh 1:3  All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Joh 1:14  And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.


The Word of God:
Col 1:16  For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 
Col 1:17  And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.


you don't know God's word/the bible at all, you should try preaching islam, but not to me

tctrills:

You asked a good question, how many God do we have?
There are many Gods and Jesus Christ is one of them. His father, the Almighty God is also one.
We do not worship all the God's. We only worship Jesus Christ and the Almighty God.
Philippians 2:10

shidof:
So, you're worshiping two Gods based on your

shidof:
You said Jesus Christ wasn't the Almighty God the Bible referenced and you still said that he was the Creator. Creator of what if I may ask?. And being with God in the beginning doesn't equate to him being the same as the God.

shidof:
You said Jesus Christ wasn't the Almighty God the Bible referenced and you still said that he was the Creator. Creator of what if I may ask?. And being with God in the beginning doesn't equate to him being the same as the God.

tctrills:

You asked a good question, how many God do we have?
There are many Gods and Jesus Christ is one of them. His father, the Almighty God is also one.
We do not worship all the God's. We only worship Jesus Christ and the Almighty God.
Philippians 2:10

MaxInDHouse:


There is a word trinitarians mistranslated to "WORSHIP" the word is "OBEISANCE" which means "TO SERVE"

Jesus is inheriting David's throne {Isaiah 9:6-7 compare to Luke 1:32} the Israelites SERVED King David under the direction from God so in other words they did OBEISANCE to David.
In the same manner all faithful people throughout the earth will do the same thing to Jesus who inherited David's throne but since Jesus' throne is not on earth but heaven {John 14:1-4} all intelligent beings both in heaven and on earth must do OBEISANCE to Jesus {Philippians 2:10} since we are all under God's Kingdom and Jesus has been enthroned as King! Matthew 28:18

But as for WORSHIP only JEHOVAH deserve to be worshiped.
God bless you and may you have PEACE!

tctrills:

Explain the term worship?

MaxInDHouse:

WORSHIP is exclusive to only one person the Almighty God!
It entails sacred services like prayers, songs of praise and exclusive devotion!
PRAYERS: is to be made to God alone {Deuteronomy 6:4} that's why you will never see any King in God's arrangement (including Jesus) who will ask you to pray to them, rather they will direct you to make all your petitions to the Almighty God! Matthew 6:9
SONGS OF of PRAISE: is also part of worship so during songs all worshipers of God (including Jesus himself) sing to praise the Almighty God! Matthew 26:30
EXCLUSIVE DEVOTION: in most cases when we have to make certain decisions we must surrender to the will of God who is above all! Luke 22:42

Apart from this three things we must obey Jesus in every aspect of our lives as our Master, Lord and King whom the Almighty God introduced to us as the chosen one! Matthew 17:5

God bless you and may you have PEACE!

shidof:
You're still throwing out illogical jibe.

johnw47:

The Word of God did, who became the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ
Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 
Joh 1:2  The same was in the beginning with God. 
Joh 1:3  All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Joh 1:14  And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.


The Word of God:
Col 1:16  For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 
Col 1:17  And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.


you don't know God's word/the bible at all, you should try preaching islam, but not to me

shidof:
Are you saying that before the coming of Jesus Christ. What we had was just the Word of God, that we don't have God until when the Word of God metamorphosis to God which is Jesus Christ. Lol

tctrills:

So when Jesus rode on a donkey and he was praised by the people of Jerusalem was that worship?

Also, the Father and the son are one, the will of The father for you is also that of the son for you.

Finally what is prayer but simple communication. When Christhe was on earth, didn't the people pray directly to him and pled for mercy and miracles?

Bodmum:
you are just an unbaptized pagan

MaxInDHouse:

No they weren't worshiping him, they were joyfully praising God for being eyewitnesses of the fulfilment of a Bible prophecy! Zechariah 9:9


NO! That simply means Jesus is 100% in compliance with God's will {John 8:28} the same thing is applicable to God's people today we all have the same line of thought with our God (Jehovah) and our King (Jesus Christ) {John 17:22} it doesn't mean that we are to be worshiped too as we are ONE with God!


Those people weren't worshiping Jesus, they were begging him to use his God's given powers to heal them just as people often do to God's prophets of old like Elijah and Elisha!

shidof:
The guy is just confusing himself and ascertain my earlier submission that Jesus isn't God with all his illogical and incoherent epistle. 3 in 1 Gods. Lmfao

MaxInDHouse:

No they weren't worshiping him, they were joyfully praising God for being eyewitnesses of the fulfilment of a Bible prophecy! Zechariah 9:9


NO! That simply means Jesus is 100% in compliance with God's will {John 8:28} the same thing is applicable to God's people today we all have the same line of thought with our God (Jehovah) and our King (Jesus Christ) {John 17:22} it doesn't mean that we are to be worshiped too as we are ONE with God!


Those people weren't worshiping Jesus, they were begging him to use his God's given powers to heal them just as people often do to God's prophets of old like Elijah and Elisha!