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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Jodera: 6:34pm On Oct 05, 2021
raumdeuter:


The 2nd image was October last year around the time season just started and they were already pointing to "slump continues"
That's 2020/2021 season na. I'm talking about 2019/2020 season wen football re-started after covid gave it a halt. The season Liverpool carried league. It was after covid restart that he slumped in form(wen football restarted but fans was not allowed in the stadium)
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 6:36pm On Oct 05, 2021
Jodera:
Firmino is not guilty of losing glit-edge chances frequently, he has perfect understanding with the duo and he scores important goals. Most other strikers who were dragged is because they're guilty of such example Werner and giroud. Arsenal fans drag giroud for such, Chelsea fans drag Werner for such too, but you hardly see Liverpool fans

Like I said earlier, you just wan drag am and nothing more. After all no be here Abraham they score 15goal(and plus ) a season yet Chelsea fans dey claim he's not good enough but prefer havertz as 9.

Are you sure of the bold?

Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by eitsei(m): 6:43pm On Oct 05, 2021
I've been a follower of this thread for more than 4 yrs and it's always been Raumdeuter against others on unnecessary bashing of players

people wey dey follow the man drag argument dey try oo

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by izzou(m): 6:50pm On Oct 05, 2021
Jodera:
Firmino is not guilty of losing glit-edge chances frequently, he has perfect understanding with the duo and he scores important goals. Most other strikers who were dragged is because they're guilty of such example Werner and giroud. Arsenal fans drag giroud for such, Chelsea fans drag Werner for such too, but you hardly see Liverpool fans

Like I said earlier, you just wan drag am and nothing more. After all no be here Abraham they score 15goal(and plus ) a season yet Chelsea fans dey claim he's not good enough but prefer havertz as 9.

Liverpool fans cannot drag Firminho because they don't depend on him to win matches.

Firminho is sitting on the bench, yet Liverpool is winning matches.

It goes to show you how he would be missed if he leaves.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying he's a useless player oh. I'm just against the hype you guys give him grin

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by CAPdan21(m): 6:51pm On Oct 05, 2021
raumdeuter:


The 2nd image was October last year around the time season just started and they were already pointing to "slump continues"
Omoh u nor get point... the same firmino had 10 goals with 4 assist in Liverpool run to their UCL final against Madrid...tell me how many of your forward in Munich has bettered this return in a single CL campaign
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 7:00pm On Oct 05, 2021
CAPdan21:

Omoh u nor get point... the same firmino had 10 goals with 4 assist in Liverpool run to their UCL final against Madrid...tell me how many of your forward in Munich has bettered this return in a single CL campaign

Robert Lewandowski is Bayern number 9 In 2019/20 15 goals 6 assists
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by CAPdan21(m): 7:03pm On Oct 05, 2021
raumdeuter:


Robert Lewandowski is Bayern number 9 In 2019/20 15 goals 6 assists
And.....if your only answer is the premium polish choker that means firmino is a god where your shaku shaku attackers are

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 7:10pm On Oct 05, 2021
CAPdan21:

And.....if your only answer is the premium polish choker that means firmino is a god where your shaku shaku attackers are
Lewy is a 9, Firmino 9 is a 9

Lewandowki is the one who plays the role of Firmino at Bayern and that is his record

15 CL goals in one season and over 70 CL goals total career

or you want us to be comparing Firmino to wingers, defenders midfielders and goalkeepers?
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by CAPdan21(m): 7:15pm On Oct 05, 2021
raumdeuter:

Lewy is a 9, Firmino 9 is a 9

Lewandowki is the one who plays the role of Firmino at Bayern and that is his record

15 CL goals in one season and over 70 CL goals total career

or you want us to be comparing Firmino to wingers?
How many times has lewandoski bettered that stat...is lewandoski the first 9 to ever play for Bayern...How many no 9 in world football has bettered that stat...answers on a post card please, no turning of amala
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 7:16pm On Oct 05, 2021
CAPdan21:

How many times has lewandoski bettered that stat...is lewandoski the first 9 to ever play for Bayern...How many no 9 in world football has bettered that stat...answers on a post card please, no turning of amala
There is a reason Lewandowski has 77 CL career goals and Firmino has how many? Half of that? One-third? One-quarter? or one-fifth

Lewandowski is not the first 9 to play for Bayern. before him was Mario Gomez with 12 CL goals in one season

or do you want us to compare Firmino to keeper defender and midfielders to make you feel better
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by CAPdan21(m): 7:24pm On Oct 05, 2021
raumdeuter:

There is a reason Lewandowski has 77 CL career goals and Firmino has how many? Half of that? One-third? One-quarter? or one-fifth

Lewandowski is not the first 9 to play for Bayern. before him was Mario Gomez with 12 CL goals in one season

or do you want us to compare Firmino to keeper defender and midfielders to make you feel better
All these shalaye and no intelligible answer...the polish fraud always disgracing his country with 0 world cup goals...no Muller to carry him, the same Gomez shipped by Bayern while firmino at 30 is still at a top club playing at the highest level...next joke please
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by airmark(m): 7:35pm On Oct 05, 2021
raumdeuter:


Like Suarez said show us your numbers, An attacker should have numbers to show

Go and burn your reliable source, whoscored's office down for that rating. grin

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 7:54pm On Oct 05, 2021
CAPdan21:

All these shalaye and no intelligible answer...the polish fraud always disgracing his country with 0 world cup goals...no Muller to carry him, the same Gomez shipped by Bayern while firmino at 30 is still at a top club playing at the highest level...next joke please

No wonder Firmino is getting benched by a left winger in his number 9 position
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 7:58pm On Oct 05, 2021
Firmino should score jor. Hiding under link up play won't cut it. Some strikers who don't score are tolerated if they hold the ball up and allow their team to progress up the pitch. Firmino isn't even an outball when Liverpool is under pressure.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by iamoyindamola(m): 8:06pm On Oct 05, 2021
Jodera:
Firmino is not guilty of losing glit-edge chances frequently, he has perfect understanding with the duo and he scores important goals. Most other strikers who were dragged is because they're guilty of such example Werner and giroud. Arsenal fans drag giroud for such, Chelsea fans drag Werner for such too, but you hardly see Liverpool fans

Like I said earlier, you just wan drag am and nothing more. After all no be here Abraham they score 15goal(and plus ) a season yet Chelsea fans dey claim he's not good enough but prefer havertz as 9.
Tah
You also said Abraham is not good enough, also Haller
But firminho is good right, I'm just looking at you since raumdeuter is lecturing you

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by MorataFC: 8:10pm On Oct 05, 2021
AnfieldFan:


Did you watch the match?
That still image doesn't tell the whole story..
if you read my comments afterwards u will know that I'm just joking, but BTW is it not still image we use to castigate Havertz some weeks ago?
Is there any difference? cool
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by kendrick93(m): 8:12pm On Oct 05, 2021
raumdeuter:

Lewy is a 9, Firmino 9 is a 9

Lewandowki is the one who plays the role of Firmino at Bayern and that is his record

15 CL goals in one season and over 70 CL goals total career

or you want us to be comparing Firmino to wingers, defenders midfielders and goalkeepers?
Your knowledge of the game must be very basic if you truly believe this.
If you think Firmino & Lewandowski operate in the same areas of the pitch or perform the same roles..
Go and check their respective heat maps & confirm for yourself....
This is the problem which just looking at team sheets & stats on livescores without applying the context

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by AnfieldFan: 8:14pm On Oct 05, 2021
Jodera:
Alright, if you say so. I guess we have different understanding on it which isn't bad

It's cool bro...

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by AnfieldFan: 8:16pm On Oct 05, 2021
MorataFC:
if you read my comments afterwards u will know that I'm just joking, but BTW is it not still image we use to castigate Havertz some weeks ago?
Is there any difference? cool

I'm not in on the Havertz vs Mount debate bro...
I just wanted bro correct the notion before someone else ran with it.... I mean someone said Klopp would fling Fab for Jorginho in a heartbeat here... We just have so many strange football takes here you never know when one's serious... cool cool
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by kendrick93(m): 8:17pm On Oct 05, 2021
Ibime:
Firmino should score jor. Hiding under link up play won't cut it. Some strikers who don't score are tolerated if they hold the ball up and allow their team to progress up the pitch. Firmino isn't even an outball when Liverpool is under pressure.
Firmino has regressed, agreed...
But Firmino of 2017-19 literally did everything you wrote here..
Not forgetting he scored 27 goals & 17 assists in the 17/18 season

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by AnfieldFan: 8:20pm On Oct 05, 2021
Ibime:
Firmino should score jor. Hiding under link up play won't cut it. Some strikers who don't score are tolerated if they hold the ball up and allow their team to progress up the pitch.Firmino isn't even an outball when Liverpool is under pressure.


What does this mean?
I'm curious, would you care to explain more?
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 8:24pm On Oct 05, 2021
kendrick93:

Your knowledge of the game must be very basic if you truly believe this.
If you think Firmino & Lewandowski operate in the same areas of the pitch or perform the same roles..
Go and check their respective heat maps & confirm for yourself....
This is the problem which just looking at team sheets & stats on livescores without the context

Its when a striker is poor at his duties that you will be looking for other things to credit him for. When Giroud was useless at scoring we started hearing about hold up play

At the end both Chelsea and France sent him to the rightful place which was on the bench

Gabriel Jesus is towing the same line, his fans will say he is pressing, he is hardworking, he is linking up, now they have started shunting him to the wings soon when City get a better striker he will find his calling on the bench

Firminos failure in front of goal is the reason Klopp started looking for a place to fit him. Lewandowski played under the same Klopp, started as a support to Lucas Barrios while Lewandoski improved he was moved up and became one of the best strikers in the world, Firmino regressed they started crediting him with linkup and now crediting him with bench

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 8:28pm On Oct 05, 2021
AnfieldFan:
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What does this mean?
I'm curious, would you care to explain more?

The type you can hit long ball to and will make it stick upfront when your defence is being pressed.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 8:35pm On Oct 05, 2021
iamoyindamola:

Tah
You also said Abraham is not good enough, also Haller
But firminho is good right, I'm just looking at you since ramdeuter is lecturing you

Na so dem dey deceive themselves, Before we will be hearing how Klopp doesnt need his striker to score like it wsnt Klopp who coched Lewandowski, Signed Immobile after his goal scoring record in Italy and even the same Klopp the moment he saw a Jota quickly forgot about Firminos linkup
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by AnfieldFan: 8:44pm On Oct 05, 2021
Ibime:


The type you can hit long ball to and will make it stick upfront when your defence is being pressed.

In essence, you're saying that Bobby can't resist the press??
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by airmark(m): 8:44pm On Oct 05, 2021
raumdeuter:


Its when a striker is poor at his duties that you will be looking for other things to credit him for. When Giroud was useless at scoring we started hearing about hold up play

At the end both Chelsea and France sent him to the rightful place which was on the bench

Gabriel Jesus is towing the same line, his fans will say he is pressing, he is hardworking, he is linking up, now they have started shunting him to the wings soon when City get a better striker he will find his calling on the bench

Firminos failure in front of goal is the reason Klopp started looking for a place to fit him. Lewandowski played under the same Klopp, started as a support to Lucas Barrios while Lewandoski improved he was moved up and became one of the best strikers in the world, Firmino regressed they started crediting him with linkup and now crediting him with bench

Firminho has his mentor in that bag of beans, Benzema. Both never scored 25+ league goals in a season. grin

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 8:47pm On Oct 05, 2021
kendrick93:
Firmino has regressed, agreed...
But Firmino of 2017-19 literally did everything you wrote here..
Not forgetting he scored 27 goals & 17 assists in the 17/18 season

Ghost striker na Ghost striker, imagine you are pointing us to 4 seasons ago as evidence of being good. Anyone can fluke a season

See other Ghost strikers in other clubs like
1. Martial - 2019/20 had 23 goals and 12 assists but the moment a retiree Cavani who was on his way to enjoy sunshine football became available Martial started finding out the truth about himself

2. Gabriel Jesus 2019/20 23 goals 14 assists, but the moment a midfielder like Phil Foden grew pubic hair they started replacing him with Foden, soon they will move him to wing before sending him to bench if a better striker comes forward unless he improves

3. Lacazette 2018/19 19 goals and 14 assists but nowadays na combination of ESR, Nketiah and Aubameyang soon Balogun dem go use send am back to his God ordained bench

No coach likes to carry a liability for long

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by kendrick93(m): 8:47pm On Oct 05, 2021
raumdeuter:


Its when a striker is poor at his duties that you will be looking for other things to credit him for. When Giroud was useless at scoring we started hearing about hold up play

At the end both Chelsea and France sent him to the rightful place which was on the bench

Gabriel Jesus is towing the same line, his fans will say he is pressing, he is hardworking, he is linking up, now they have started shunting him to the wings soon when City get a better striker he will find his calling on the bench

Firminos failure in front of goal is the reason Klopp started looking for a place to fit him. Lewandowski played under the same Klopp, started as a support to Lucas Barrios while Lewandoski improved he was moved up and became one of the best strikers in the world, Firmino regressed they started crediting him with linkup and now crediting him with bench
Difference is Lewandowski has always been a pure no 9.
Firmino wasn't, infact his role at hoffeinham was an attacking midfielder or playing as the supporting striker.
When he arrived at Liverpool, Brendan Rodgers mainly used him on the wings.
Then Klopp came and converted him into a false 9 which he performed excellently well...
He's not the same player as he was in 17- 20,
He's definitely regressed but Peak Firmino was no passenger..
He was an excellent foil for Salah & mane while also scoring vital goals...
Don't forget this guy hit 27goals & 17 assists in 17/18 season ...
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 8:49pm On Oct 05, 2021
AnfieldFan:


In essence, you're saying that Bobby can't resist the press??

Is that what you understood there? Wetin consign striker with press sef?
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 8:50pm On Oct 05, 2021
airmark:


Firminho has his mentor in that bag of beans, Benzema. Both never scored 25+ league goals in a season. grin

Benzema has over 70 goals in the CL. Does Firmino have half, one-third, one-quarter or one-fifth of that?

This season Benzema has 9 goals and 7 assists, how many does Firmino have last season plus this season

The past 3 seasons Benzema has 20+ league goals, How many does Firmino have?
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by kendrick93(m): 8:51pm On Oct 05, 2021
raumdeuter:


Ghost striker na Ghost striker, imagine you are pointing us to 4 seasons ago as evidence of being good. Anyone can fluke a season

See other Ghost strikers in other clubs like
1. Martial - 2019/20 had 23 goals and 12 assists but the moment a retiree Cavani who was on his way to enjoy sunshine football became available Martial started finding out the truth about himself

2. Gabriel Jesus 2019/20 23 goals 14 assists, but the moment a midfielder like Phil Foden grew pubic hair they started replacing him with Foden, soon they will move him to wing before sending him to bench if a better striker comes forward unless he improves

3. Lacazette 2018/19 19 goals and 14 assists but nowadays na combination of ESR, Nketiah and Aubameyang soon Balogun dem go use send am back to his God ordained bench

No coach likes to carry a liability for long
lol....
Firmino is no one season wonder..
Don't forget he tore bundesliga defences before lfc signed him...
It's natural for his goals to reduce considering he had mane & Salah especially taking up the central positions and were the team's main goalscorers
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 8:54pm On Oct 05, 2021
kendrick93:

Difference is Lewandowski has always been a pure no 9.
Firmino wasn't, infact his role at hoffeinham was an attacking midfielder or playing as the supporting striker.
When he arrived at Liverpool, Brendan Rodgers mainly used him on the wings.
Then Klopp came and converted him into a false 9 which he performed excellently well...
He's not the same player as he was in 17- 20,
He's definitely regressed but Peak Firmino was no passenger..
He was an excellent foil for Salah & mane while also scoring vital goals...
Don't forget this guy hit 27goals & 17 assists in 17/18 season ...

You dont know much about football and you wont stop making assertions on things you dont know

Lewandowski was a support striker to Barrios until he outshone him and claimed the position for himself

Excellent foil is an euphemism for carry along. Ghoststrikers have been know to post fluke numbers which they cant support in subsequent seasons. Martial, Gab Jesus are examples

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