petra1:


. Moses separated from his wife. he was the law giver. not only that , in the period of his separation he went to marry another woman a non jew.

Did that make moses invalid to teach the law? You see .Dont use your human opinion in Bible matter.

{Matthew 19:10-12} but as for Chris, he is a complete failure in that aspect so

Divorce doesn't make one a failure. As long as you cant back up this heresy with the bible There is no point repeting yourself . its not selling

he supposed to allow one of those ministering and successful in their marriages to TEACH in that aspect as they can adequately counsel others because they have performed well in marriage!


Wrong . You minister by the spirit not by human experience.

Even the pharisee who do not practice the bible . jesus told the jews not to despise their teaching.

Matthew 23:1 (AMPC)
1 THEN JESUS said to the multitudes and to His disciples, 2 The scribes and Pharisees sit on Moses’ seat [of authority]. 3 So observe and practice all they tell you; but do not do what they do, for they preach, but do not practice.

MaxInDHouse:

I know you love your pastor and that's normal

but the truth need to be told

Moses was just a mediator of God's law to the nation of Israel, he received laws from God and passed it to the people that's all. Moses wasn't a teacher . .

So don't compare a Christian with Moses because we are greater than Moses who never saw or had the opportunity to learn from God's only begotten Son
Jesus Christ! John 1:18

Divorce is a sign of a wrong foundation or fault of the spouses because apart from ADULTERY Jesus did not permit a separation

{Matthew 19:9} so if Chris and his wife were never convicted of adultery it simply means both of them aren't adequately qualified (spiritually mature enough)

If Chris failed to keep his marital vows then he's not qualified to TEACH others how to keep theirs!

According to Jesus you must live by your teaching to set fine examples for others {John 14:15} the Pharisees were carrying the Mosaic laws given to that nation (not their own laws)

If Chris is a Christian and not a Pharisee he must live by the standard set by Jesus otherwise you're saying people should view Chris as a Pharisee "do as i say, don't do as i do" Surely such a teacher will mislead the people! Matthew 24:11

petra1:

lets take away sentiments. lets deal with the bible. if its Chris Okotie i would say thesame . because we are dealing with bible principles .
yes ofcourse
Wrong! He was the Judge over offences! And The fact that He was the conveyer of the Law even indicted him more. So if Moses would not be a failure as a minister, counsellor, teacher and judge because of his Marrital issue. then same principle stands for every minister. Because ministry is a work of the Holy Spirit not personal life. jesus said to obey the teaching of the Pharisees despite their personal lifestyle.

same jesus said to obey the teaching of the Pharisees regardless of their personal life.
Some others erroneously teach that a s single Pastor cannot teach marriage.
these are all man made ideologies without bible backing

1 Corinthians 7:27 (KJV)
. . . Art thou loosed from a wife? seek not a wife. If a partner decide to leave you cant force the person . Paul permit divorce . He says to let the person go. She has the power of her will.
He cannot force another person. She has the power of her will. Jesus lost many deciples. it doesnt make him a bad leader.

John 6:66 (KJV)
66 From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.
same jesus vowed he would not lose anyone. you see my point?
They were teaching the word of God. so does Pastor Chris and any minister. of a minister falls sick he can still teach that God is a healer. it doesnt have to be by experience but because it is the truth of God.

Are you perfect? is your pastor Perfect? . if You have to wait for a minister that is hundred percent perfect to be qualified to preach then their wont be any preacher

MaxInDHouse:

Let's not complicate things here.
Moses was chosen by God because he supposed to be a member of the Royal family in the palace of the greatest monarch of his time, but he chose to be treated as one of the Hebrews (slaves in Egypt) Hebrews 11:23-29
So God chose him to deliver Israel just as this man has wished but God doesn't want him to feel it's due to his youthful vigor that's why Jehovah was patient until Moses became an octogenarian!
But when he was given the laws he only needs to read it loud for all to here he wasn't asked to TEACH them anything unlike Christians who were given the spirit to TEACH! Ephesians 4:11




Jesus didn't say people should follow the TEACHING of the Pharisees! Note his opening remarks:

Then Jesus spoke to the crowds and to his disciples, saying: “The scribes and the Pharisees have seated themselves in the seat of Moses. Therefore, all the things they tell you, do and observe, but do not do according to their deeds, for they say but they do not practice what they say. Matthew 23:1-3
So just like Moses the Pharisees tell the people what is written in the LAWS but as for their TEACHINGS Jesus asked his followers not to take it! Matthew 16:12



What i'm saying here is simple, whatever makes Chris failed in marriage disqualifies him from TEACHING others about marriage!
Jesus didn't TEACH us to start a church so anyone can come into the house of God and decides to leave because they're not bound by any oath to anybody but God, so if anyone choose to dismember himself from God's congregation he/she has no problem with anyone but God.
That's not the case with marriage, the two vowed before God and man to stick together come what may!
So whatever makes them breaks such a vow is sure indication that they're not QUALIFIED TO COUNSEL others on marriage!


You missed it again!
Note that those that left Jesus weren't part of those Jesus Prayed with in the Bible book of John 17:8-9, he specifically prayed for only the 12 Apostles, that's why he said none of them was missing except Judas! John 17:12
So Jesus never failed in his assignment, God's only begotten Son perfectly fulfilled all righteousness! John 19:30



Amongst Jehovah's Witnesses there are elders and ministerial servants who handles the TEACHINGS in the congregation, none of them can continue serving as a SHEPHERD (TEACHER) in the congregation while divorced or SEPARATED!

petra1:


lets take away sentiments. lets deal with the bible. if its Chris Okotie i would say thesame . because we are dealing with bible principles .



yes ofcourse



Wrong! He was the Judge over offences! And The fact that He was the conveyer of the Law even indicted him more. So if Moses would not be a failure as a minister, counsellor, teacher and judge because of his Marrital issue. then same principle stands for every minister. Because ministry is a work of the Holy Spirit not personal life. jesus said to obey the teaching of the Pharisees despite their personal lifestyle.



same jesus said to obey the teaching of the Pharisees regardless of their personal life.

Some others erroneously teach that a s single Pastor cannot teach marriage.
these are all man made ideologies without bible backing



1 Corinthians 7:27 (KJV)
. . . Art thou loosed from a wife? seek not a wife.

If a partner decide to leave you cant force the person . Paul permit divorce . He says to let the person go.



She has the power of her will.



He cannot force another person. She has the power of her will. Jesus lost many deciples. it doesnt make him a bad leader.

John 6:66 (KJV)
66 From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.

same jesus vowed he would not lose anyone. you see my point?



They were teaching the word of God. so does Pastor Chris and any minister. of a minister falls sick he can still teach that God is a healer. it doesnt have to be by experience but because it is the truth of God.




Are you perfect? is your pastor Perfect? . if You have to wait for a minister that is hundred percent perfect to be qualified to preach then their wont be any preacher

MaxInDHouse:

Amongst Jehovah's Witnesses there are elders and ministerial servants who handles the TEACHINGS in the congregation, none of them can continue serving as a SHEPHERD (TEACHER) in the congregation while divorced or SEPARATED!

achorladey:



He wants to use his repetition to make the point hut he cannot escape this reframed from his post

petra1:

Now i see its an issue of your indoctrination. Not about what the bible days. because i have given you several references from the bible . its now an issue of you dealing with your doctrinne vs Bible. try be objective . doctrine may be wrong ( Thats just being polite)

MaxInDHouse:


Well you're the one seeing it from that angle!

Jesus said:

How can you say to your brother, ‘Allow me to remove the straw from your eye,’ when look! a rafter is in your own eye? Hypocrite! First remove the rafter from your own eye, and then you will see clearly how to remove the straw from your brother’s eye! Matthew 7:4-5

So in the same manner how can Chris counsel others about marriage when he himself failed woefully in that aspect? According to Lord Jesus, Chris supposed to mend his own marriage FIRST before he can qualify to counsel others about marriage!

That's Jesus' command Jehovah's Witnesses are strictly OBEYING! John 14:15
May you have PEACE!

petra1:

There is nothing like failure in Marriage . its just your organization doctrine that need to align with the bible .
Moses should have been a failure according to your doctrine.
you dont need to be in marriage to teach on marriage. if a partner leaves you it doesn't change anything about you. if you must ascribe any failures at all . well maybe the person who left . But the truth is life is a choice . what you call failure is not and ministry is by the holy spirit and the word.

petra1:


There is nothing like failure in Marriage . its just your organization doctrine that need to align with the bible .
Moses should have been a failure according to your doctrine.

you dont need to be in marriage to teach on marriage. if a partner leaves you it doesn't change anything about you. if you must ascribe any failures at all . well maybe the person who left . But the truth is life is a choice . what you call failure is not and ministry is by the holy spirit and the word.

MaxInDHouse:


Does it sound reasonable to register a child in a fashion school where the designer can't design his own dress?
Can you eat from a restaurant where the chef is not eating his own meal?
Can you learn driving from a driver who just had an accident?

The Holy Spirit will TEACH us {John 14:26} as we meditate thoroughly on the TRUTH (Bible) {John 17:17; Ephesians 6:17} you will know the TRUTH and if you're willing, the TRUTH will set you FREE from the misleading teachings of Pharisees who claims to be men of God! John 8:32 compare to 2Corinthians 11:12-15

May you have PEACE!

MaxInDHouse:


Well you're the one seeing it from that angle!

Jesus said:

How can you say to your brother, ‘Allow me to remove the straw from your eye,’ when look! a rafter is in your own eye? Hypocrite! First remove the rafter from your own eye, and then you will see clearly how to remove the straw from your brother’s eye! Matthew 7:4-5

So in the same manner how can Chris counsel others about marriage when he himself failed woefully in that aspect? According to Lord Jesus, Chris supposed to mend his own marriage FIRST before he can qualify to counsel others about marriage!

That's Jesus' command Jehovah's Witnesses are strictly OBEYING! John 14:15
May you have PEACE!

achorladey:

You can see how he is trying to class Pastor Chris as someone in the business of divorcing wives and an HYPOCRITE
To him Pastor Chris delight is to divorce his wives at will;

petra1:

There is nothing like failure in Marriage . Its just your organization doctrine that need to align with the bible .

Moses should have been a failure according to your doctrine.

you dont need to be in marriage to teach on marriage. if a partner leaves you it doesn't change anything about you. if you must ascribe any failures at all . well maybe the person who left . But the truth is life is a choice . what you call failure is not and ministry is by the holy spirit and the word.

petra1:


Its well. Firstly its not the Man of God who left the marriage.

secondly even if he had been the one . That still doesnt constitute failure.

Divorce is a miracle for so many.

DappaD:


Can I know what you mean by the words in bold? Been following the thread and your whole argument seems to be hinged on this line of reasoning that doesn’t exist in the Bible.

DappaD:


Can I know what you mean by the words in bold? Been following the thread and your whole argument seems to be hinged on this line of reasoning that doesn’t exist in the Bible.

Maestro21:
Telling someone that they cannot teach on marriage because someone divorced them is like saying someone should not teach on pastoring a church because a member left.

But christians should not be using their bibles to educate a JWit.

Besides, these teachings were done when he was still married.

petra1:


Its well. Firstly its not the Man of God who left the marriage.

secondly even if he had been the one . That still doesnt constitute failure.

Divorce is a miracle for so many.

Maestro21:


All christians know that Paul advised certain people to get a divorce. I am not saying Pastor Chris filed for a divorce as we all know he did not.

But you cannot be trying to use the bible to educate a JWit. They are very ignorant and bitter. They are not christians.

achorladey:


Don't mind that one trying to DEFINE failure in marriage.

A husband that barters his wife everyday with all sort of violence and the wife stick to him as a result of having nowhere to go is a successful marriage since the option to divorce is only on sexual immorality

Maestro21:


I was told about a minister who almost killed his wife with beatings. Her family had to evacuate her one day after she was almost maimed by the man.

Funny enough, he beat her, locked her up and went to "church".

To that guy you guys were educating, that marriage was successful because the woman did not divorce him. Therefore, the husband was fit to educate people on marriage.

Maestro21:
Telling someone that they cannot teach on marriage because someone divorced them is like saying someone should not teach on pastoring a church because a member left.

But christians should not be using their bibles to educate a JWit.

Besides, these teachings were done when he was still married.

achorladey:


You jus have to laugh at those kind of reasoning he brings to the platform every time.

No mind am ooo, na this bragging right and that mentalit[/b]y of [b]they are the only ones who knows the in and out of Bible dey cause that kind reasoning wey dey im head.

I told him his Jehovah is married to the Israelites and that marriage failed repeatedly, Does that mean Jehovah cannot teach anything concerning marriage again?

Rather than answer he will boycott it.

Workch:
Allowing someone with failed marriage to lecture others about marriage is like allowing an undergraduate physics dropout to lecture master’s degree students in physics.

achorladey:


like allowing an undergraduate physics dropout to lecture master’s degree students in physics... Workch


Oga you proofread wetin you type at all or na cruise you dey use us catch

Why will a Master holder want to listen to a drop out in the first place. This your illustrations get as e be. Abeg check am again

achorladey:


like allowing an undergraduate physics dropout to lecture master’s degree students in physics... Workch


Oga you proofread wetin you type at all or na cruise you dey use us catch

Why will a Master holder want to listen to a drop out in the first place. This your illustrations get as e be. Abeg check am again

Maestro21:


Un-quote him before he replies.

He is more lost than the JWit guy.

Workch:
Its the same reason a happily married person will not listen to someone with a failed marriage when it comes to martial issues.

Hope you get it now.