achorladey:


Why will a happily married person need advise or listen to it from a sad married person.

Workch:
That is strawman.
The topic is categorically addressing why a man with a failed marriage is not in the best position to give marriage advice.

It’s beyond me how a “sad married person” got into the discussion.

achorladey:


Make I tell you too

It is beyond me too how a happily married person is seeking advise from a failed married person

Go back to the illustration you used initially and correct it accordingly and do well to read the title of this thread once again.

Workch:
Dont you think we are saying the same thing and you should be the person to go back and understand my initial post?

I think you rushed to reply it without carefully seeing that I was making an analogy with respect to why a man with a failed married cannot talk to others about marriage.

achorladey:


Here you are


like allowing an undergraduate physics dropout to lecture master’s degree students in physics..... Workch

1. Undergraduate drop out and masters degree students

2. Married individual with years of experience and divorce with one not married and still looking for a marriage partner.

Workch:
A divorcee should go and remarry to show that he has what it takes to keep a woman. Such person cannot talk to people who are keeping their woman unless he proves that he can actually keep a woman himself.

It’s not a must to talk about marriage in your ministry, it’s okay to always focus on your strength than weakness.

A divorcee, is a typical example a dropout undergraduate. An unmarried person is equivalent to someone who has never been admitted to study in the university.

Both of them cannot lecture masters students

Hope you get?

achorladey:


Here you are again

1. A divorcee, is a typical example a dropout undergraduate. An unmarried person is equivalent to someone who has never been admitted to study in the university.... Workch

2. like allowing an undergraduate physics dropout to lecture master’s degree students in physics..... Workch

Atleast you should agree I understand your point the first time. Yes or No

From the 1 that dropouts despite being a dropout still has something[b] that the never been admitted[/b] don't have.

You agree?

Workch:
Yes I agree that a dropout has something more than a never admitted person but that’s a strawman.

The original argument is whether a divorcee can coach married people on marital issues.

But you created a new topic by saying a divorcee is more experienced in marriage than a Bachelor in that regard.

Learn to stay Inline with the argument. I have read most of your comments on this thread, I think you are an expert strawman.

achorladey:


Yes I agree that a dropout has something more than a never admitted but that a strawman..... Workch

Good for you that you agree.

The original argument is whether a divorcee can coach married people on marital issues.........Workch

Refer back to the topic of this thread.

But you created a new topic by saying a divorcee is more experience in marriage than a Bachelor.....Workch

I am still on the original topic and I haven't deviated at all.

Learn to stay Inline with the argument. I have read most of your comments on this thread, I think you are an expert strawman....Workch

I will advise that you look before you leap.

achorladey:
So where did the bible say . if your wife leaves you . you cannot do ministry...... Petra


Answer: The Bible says Christians must honour their wives.

In reality no where it is said in the Bible that a man that leaves his wife should not minister.

MaxInDHouse:


The man and his wife vowed to stay together come what may so Jesus said they must not separate no matter what happens! Matthew 19:3-9
Chris should have fought to keep his marriage, he himself woo the woman before they marry so he should have used the same sense to calm her down not allow her to go.
For that to have happened he is not in the position to counsel others regarding a successful marriage!

Maestro21:


1.That Moses married a woman by the law - that he should not have?

2. That Moses sent away his first wife?

Workch:
I have not made any comment on the original topic of the thread, I replied a specific comment.

And then we started a conversation where you have attacked the strawman twice.

I agree that the comment I replied derailed the thread but I wasn’t interested in the op but I replied a specific post. I’m not going to following to and fro in attacking the straw man.

Workch:
In this comment is another strawman.

The original questions is “where did the Bible say if your wife leaves you, you cannot do ministry?”

Your answer “The bibles says Christians must honor their wives”. This is another topic entirely and it didn’t even address the question.

It’s strawman. I don’t know how the argument started but it’s strawman by anyone who made it

petra1:

He said if a wife leaves a man the man is a failure and if he is a minister. He has no business teaching people.
got his attention to the fact that a minister teaches by the anointing of God and not personal exoerience.

Moses through who the Law came once had marital issues. His wife left him after the circumcision Saga. he took another wife against scriptures and married a non jew as second wife.

our friend argued that moses was not a teacher. and i made him understand moses was law giver , teacher , judge yet whatever personal experience doesn change his calling in God. a minister teach by the word.

DappaD:


1. Do you know that servants of God in the past before Moses used to select marriage mates amongst those who worshiped and respected God? Genesis 24:4
In that light, was Jethro the father of Zipporah one who honoured the true God or not? Exodus 18:10
Which suggests that the household likewise did the same?

Moreover I fail to see how this has any relevance to what I asked—it would rather suggest that you think Moses violated some law and that the jerry-curled clown posing as a pastor can get away with something that Moses wasn’t guilty of?


2. In what portion of the Bible did you get to know that Moses sent away Zipporah ?

AABBIIMM:
You're so wrong. In the book of revelation, didn't you see Jesus' messages to the angels of the churches, were those shepherds totally perfect without errors? absolutely no. But does that nullify their positional authority to receive from the Lord and teach the body of Christ within their domain, the answer is still no.
So, if a man of God is teaching based on God's leading and with scriptural proofs, such should be received without a bias mind irrespective of what's happening physically.

MaxInDHouse:


Does it sound reasonable to register a child in a fashion school where the designer can't design his own dress?
Can you eat from a restaurant where the chef is not eating his own meal?
Can you learn driving from a driver who just had an accident?

The Holy Spirit will TEACH us {John 14:26} as we meditate thoroughly on the TRUTH (Bible) {John 17:17; Ephesians 6:17} you will know the TRUTH and if you're willing, the TRUTH will set you FREE from the misleading teachings of Pharisees who claims to be men of God! John 8:32 compare to 2Corinthians 11:12-15

May you have PEACE!

AABBIIMM:
You're so wrong. In the book of revelation, didn't you see Jesus' messages to the angels of the churches, were those shepherds totally perfect without errors? absolutely no. But does that nullify their positional authority to receive from the Lord and teach the body of Christ within their domain, the answer is still no.
So, if a man of God is teaching based on God's leading and with scriptural proofs, such should be received without a bias mind irrespective of what's happening physically.

MaxInDHouse:


Christianity is not about fruitless arguments Sir! 1Timothy 6:4
Titus 3:9
Just address the below questions.
May you have PEACE!

Maestro21:

I was about to make the mistake of educating you then I realized you are from the sect of the blind, dull, dumb and irreverent.
So I decided against it.
Bye.

Workch:

Allowing someone with failed marriage to lecture others about marriage is like allowing an undergraduate physics dropout to lecture master’s degree students in physics.

AABBIIMM:
I already have PEACE, having being reconciled to God through Jesus' blood. I can only enjoy multiplied increase of Peace.
Was told not to reply you but I will for the last time.
I'm sure you know Eli the priest in the Bible, you could have equally argued that Eli wasn't in the best place to tutor little boy Samuel in Shiloh based on the evidences of Hophni and Phinehas.
I'm sure if you were to be Hannah's brother, you'd tell sister Hannah not to carry Samuel to Shiloh citing Eli's sons as reasons.
But, Samuel was raised in Shiloh by Eli, same Eli that had Hophni and Phinehas o.
Be the judge yourself.
Shalom

DappaD:


All you have to know is that Moses never broke any law because he didn’t take a second wife! That’s just what you assume he did.

DappaD:


Hian. See me and problem. Weren’t you the one who quoted me in the first place?
See person wey I no even send.

petra1:

Numbers 12:1 (NKJV)
​1 Then Miriam and Aaron spoke against Moses because of the Ethiopian woman whom he had married; for he had married an Ethiopian woman.

Maestro21:

I quoted you before I knew you were a dummy. An unfortunate one with no bearing in life just like most JWits are.

DappaD:

Other translations put it this way.
“Miriam and Aaron began to talk against Moses because of his Cushite wife, for he had married a Cushite.”—New International Version

You also said Zipporah left him after this incident, so why was she still being called Moses’ wife at Exodus 18:2?

While Moses was on his self-imposed exile, he married a woman(Zipporah) who was not even an Israelite to begin with(Exodus 2:21) so this is what suggests that it is the same woman mentioned at Numbers 12:1.

MaxInDHouse:


Beautiful and upbuilding comment from one of our neighbours who also claims to be a Christian! Luke 6:45

When talking about God's word the taught ones will prove to be the children of their own father {Matthew 5:11-12} while the uncultured will also suffice with the manner of their own father! John 8:44

AABBIIMM:
I already have PEACE, having being reconciled to God through Jesus' blood. I can only enjoy multiplied increase of Peace.
Was told not to reply you but I will for the last time.
I'm sure you know Eli the priest in the Bible, you could have equally argued that Eli wasn't in the best place to tutor little boy Samuel in Shiloh based on the evidences of Hophni and Phinehas.
I'm sure if you were to be Hannah's brother, you'd tell sister Hannah not to carry Samuel to Shiloh citing Eli's sons as reasons.
But, Samuel was raised in Shiloh by Eli, same Eli that had Hophni and Phinehas o.
Be the judge yourself.
Shalom

MaxInDHouse:


Samuel was raised in the house of JEHOVAH where God's law is read day and night so it's not Eli's doing rather the boy Samuel chose to be God fearing.
And as for Hannah taking the boy to the temple, note that she made the vow before conception so nothing can stop her from fulfilling her vows to the God who heard her cries when Eli misconstrued her for a drunkard.
So she never saw Samuel as a boy to be trained by Eli but one taught by JEHOVAH in God's own house!

Eli would bless Elkanah and his wife , saying, “May the Lord give you children by this woman to take the place of the one she prayed for and gave to[c] the Lord.” Then they would go home. 21 And the Lord was gracious to Hannah; she gave birth to three sons and two daughters . Meanwhile, the boy Samuel grew up in the presence of the Lord

petra1:

it doesn't matter the translation. Moses divorced the wife after she insulted him calling him bloodly husband.
Exo 4:25 — Exo 4:26
25 Then Zipporah took a sharp stone, and cut off the foreskin of her son, and cast it at his feet, and said, Surely a bloody husband art thou to me. 26 So he let him go: then she said, A bloody husband thou art, because of the circumcision.
The bible says Moses Sent her back or sent her away . some translations righty rendered it
Exodus 18:2 (BBE)
2 And Jethro, Moses' father-in-law, took Zipporah, Moses' wife, after he had sent her away,
You may kindly check it out in strongs Hebrew dictionary. it means Divorce
(Olive Tree Enhanced Strong's Dictionary)
h7964. שִׁלּוּחַ šillûaḥ; or שִׁלֻּחַ shilluach; from 7971; (only in plural) a dismissal, i.e. (of a wife)
divorce (especially the document); also (of a daughter)
So dilligent study on the passage shows He divorced her. Other books and manuscripts like the book of Jasher throws more light on his Divorce
The Father inlaw intervened and brought about reconciliation
Definately not thesame woman. The Cushite Ethiopian woman is a new wife. why would Aaron complained of Moses Marrying a non Jew. He married Marian when there was no law. Nobody complained but he married the cushite against the law hence the complain. Ask yourself why would they complained of a Marian being a non jew many years after marriage and bearing children. it doesnt make sense. Its the new Gentile wife that was unconstitutional.

DappaD:
Your claim was that Moses divorced Zipporah, meanwhile the same Exodus chapter 18 and verse 5, says that Jethro brought back Zipporah to him at the mountain, Moses even called her “his wife” not “ex wife” after they were temporarily separated(given that Zipporah did not accompany Moses to Egypt).

A man divorces the daughter of another man, and the next thing you see is that man inviting the former husband of his daughter to a feast. If they were divorced, would that have happened? Would he have been of assistance to Moses in judging cases in Israel?
Think man!

One more reason why your thought process is flawed is that Numbers 10:29 still refers to Reuel/Jethro as the father-in-law of Moses, long after that circumcision issue. So why is that the case if Moses had divorced Zipporah?


I’m still waiting for you to quote 1Timothy 3:5 let us see how it fits into your theory that one who ministers before God shouldn’t be held to account for conduct in his personal life.
The jerry-curled clown is just one those persons Jesus referred to as men who impose heavy loads on others but are not willing to apply such things to themselves. Matthew 23:2-4