BikeMan:
Why is Harry Kane not playing at Barcelona?

Harry Kane still plays in Europe and CL. When was the last time Belotti did

BlueRayDick:


Daniel Levy of course, but I bet u don't know the kind of emotional stress Levy made him pass through before he left for Madrid. Modric was almost a Chelsea player that year before Levy Showed him shege.



https://www.si.com/soccer/chelsea/news/luka-modric-reveals-story-behind-failed-transfer-to-chelsea-in-2011

Popiziano does not know anything
Can we enroll him in your lesson to teach him and bikeman

Chelseafan1:


Egbon

Kilonshele. Anything for us? How is your boy Hidden

Leyqute:


Ramdeuter wanted us to bow down before a one season wonder.

Analysts who saw Messi in 2007 knew he would be one of the greatest they didn't wait till 2011

People who saw Ronaldo in 1996 knew he was special they didn't wait till 2002

Same eyes we take see Salah 4yrs ago and declared him in the conversation the best from Africa but people like you disagree. What is Salah now? A 5 season wonder?

A001:

Go get good books of history of past civilizations and empires, you'd see there's little truth in the highlighted part of your post.

Your opinion is like that of the average Nigerian or African who hasn't taken the time to learn the history of the black people.

Civilizations and empires rise and fall. In the past, there had been great black civilizations and empires in Africa, such as those of the ancient Egyptians (not the Arabs occupying the land for some centuries now), Old Benin Kingdom, Shongai empire, Aksum empire, etc.

These great peoples were the powerful ones in the olden days, when many parts of Europe and Asia were still very undeveloped.

But everything in life occurs in cycles. Today, it's the turn of the Europeans and Asians to dominate the world, just like black people in Africa (the cradle of mankind) had done in the past.

In the future, black people will also rule the world again. For any race to be great, the people has to first know their true history.

To prevent any people from achieving greatness, one of the first things the colonizers and conquerors do is to destroy such a people's cultural heritage, history, and religious values.

Then, they'll feed them with lies and twisted historical facts that would make the subjugated people view themselves as inferior to their slave masters.

Such a people will even dislike their culture.

Thus, it's unsurprising to know that most black people hate that word "black" and see it as something "dark", "ugly", or "devilish".

It's one of the gravest effects of the distorted historical facts they've been taught in Western-centric schools and media.

And yes, every black history buff knows how a number of Africans either sold off their fellow Africans to slavery or aided the whites and Arabs in doing so for financial gains.

What do you think people like Amoto94 will do to any freethinker or atheist in their family, even if such a person is their own child, for encouraging people to learn their true history and support the good aspects of the native culture?

the foundational principle of our conceptual reality is objective rationality

Those empires you mentioned were built on flawed principles that worshiped imaginary gods and practiced human sacrifices

If the foundational principle of a civilization is flawed, would it progress? Besides those empires were monarchies, I wouldn't call them civilizations, do you want us to discuss inequality under such systems and how the grandeur of the elite distort the afflictions of the masses


If europeans never came and brought enlightenment, would africans abandon jazz and focus on education and logic? Was there even a path to enlightenment for africans? We still have people here today that are superstitious and believe in jazz, they are the majority in africa, despite all the accomplishments and progress that enlightenment has brought, they are still people that believe such things, you expected these people to naturally abandon their archaic ways and advance into a civilization without outside assistance

africans might have created empires but civilization is something that they never were

Havertz10:
the foundational principle of our conceptual reality is objective rationality

Those empires you mentioned were built on flawed principles that worshiped imaginary gods and practiced human sacrifices

If the foundational principle of a civilization is flawed, would it progress? Besides those empires were monarchies, I wouldn't call them civilizations, do you want us to discuss inequality under such systems and how the grandeur of the elite distort the afflictions of the masses


If europeans never came and brought enlightenment, would africans abandon jazz and focus on education and logic? Was there even a path to enlightenment for africans? We still have people here today that are superstitious and believe in jazz, they are the majority in africa, despite all the accomplishments and progress that enlightenment has brought, they are still people that believe such things, you expected these people to naturally abandon their archaic ways and advance into a civilization without outside assistance

africans might have created empires but civilizations is something that they never were

Before you start discussing about a subject you know very little of, first get good books of Africa's history or black race history written by African/black historians and read, not the crap you've been fed with by hegemonic European or Arab historians.

You clearly know very little about the ancient Egyptians, who called their land Kemet and were black/African people, not European or Arab as mischievously painted in history books written by whites or Arabs or by their media houses.

Related: https://en.lisapoyakama.org/the-ancient-egyptians-were-black/

Ancient Egypt used to be a superpower in the olden days, just like the US is today.

I don't even need to waste time in this sort of discussion considering the fact that even though Africa is the second largest continent in the world by both population and land mass after Asia, our continent is represented on world maps as if it's much smaller than the other continents and even countries in Europe and Asia.

It's not surprising that many white people see Africa as just a small country, not a large continent.

This simple yet highly significant misrepresentation shows how the whites have twisted many facts about Africa to Africans themselves and to the outside world.

They also did the same thing to the histories of ancient Egypt and other parts of North Africa.

Your comments here on this subject show these white supremacists did an excellent job of distorting the history of the black race.

Many leaders and historians in Africa and black nations outside the region wrote that book for people like you to educate yourself about Africa's real history and bin the trash taught to you over the years by the white and Arab supremacists.

FYI, in the oldest parts of Europe, the Americas Asia, and Australia, their indigenous people are black, even including Saudi Arabia.

FYI, the world owes Africa every aspect of the civilization achieved today, not the other way round. That's a fact.

Leyqute:


A poorer, smaller-balled Daniel Levy.

And even at that he got as much as he could for him.

BlueRayDick:


Daniel Levy of course, but I bet u don't know the kind of emotional stress Levy made him pass through before he left for Madrid. Modric was almost a Chelsea player that year before Levy Showed him shege.



https://www.si.com/soccer/chelsea/news/luka-modric-reveals-story-behind-failed-transfer-to-chelsea-in-2011

The only reason above is that he (Daniel levy) was unwilling to sell his best player to a direct city rival and nothing else,had other team come at that period he could have sold him without hearing any of this long story. Now, Modric's transfer is far gone,just recently the same Daniel levy sold walker to man city,is there any saga that went behind the scene that you want us to know?

raumdeuter:

Popiziano does not know anything
Can we enroll him in your lesson to teach him and bikeman

There are a lot of things I don't know in football and that is because I am simply not interested in knowing them.Those off pitch activities are never my concerns, as any reporter can put up any story for you to believe.I prefer to talk about players actions on the pitch,manager tactics which I can see with my own naked eyes and make assertions on.

Who knows who this nairalander might be


https://www.nairaland.com/6789928/mistaken-identification#106511001

raumdeuter:


Astute who saw Messi in 2007 knew he would be one of the greatest they didn't wait till 2011

People who saw Ronaldo in 1996 knew he was special they didn't wait till 2002

Same eyes we take see Salah 4yrs ago and declared him in the conversation the best from Africa but people like you disagree. What is Salah now? A 5 season wonder?

No be the same eye you take see Martial as future ballon d’or contender 3 years ago ?

Astute ko, ashunu ni

popizaino:


There are a lot of things I don't know in football and that is because I am simply not interested in knowing them.Those off pitch activities are never my concerns, as any reporter can put up any story for you to believe.I prefer to talk about players actions on the pitch,manager tactics which I can see with my own naked eyes and make assertions on.

The bold says it all. Then you should endeavor to know before arguing with those who do

Things like telling defenders to run away like Bertrand

Leyqute:


No be the same eye you take see Martial as future ballon d’or contender 3 years ago ?

Astute ko, ashunu ni

I wasnt the one who wrote Martials contract and got Man Utd to agree to the Balon dor clause. E get wetin dem see that you couldnt see and couldnt see with Salah

A001:

Before you start discussing about a subject you know very little of, first get good books of Africa's history or black race history written by African/black historians and read, not the crap you've been fed with by hegemonic European or Arab historians.

You clearly know very little about the ancient Egyptians, who called their land Kemet and were black/African people, not European or Arab as mischievously painted in history books written by whites or Arabs or by their media houses.

Ancient Egypt used to be a superpower in the olden days, just like the US is today.

I don't even need to waste time in this sort of discussion considering the fact that even though Africa is the second largest continent in the world by both population and land mass after Asia, our continent is represented on world maps as if it's much smaller than the other continents and even countries in Europe and Asia.

It's not surprising that many white people see Africa as just a small country, not a large continent.

This simple yet highly significant misrepresentation shows how the whites have twisted many facts about Africa to Africans themselves and to the outside world.

They also did the same thing to the histories of ancient Egypt and other parts of North Africa.

Your comments here on this subject show these white supremacists did an excellent job of distorting the history of the black race.

Many leaders and historians in Africa and black nations outside the region wrote that book for people like you to educate yourself about Africa's real history and bin the trash taught to you over the years by the white and Arab supremacists.

FYI, in the oldest parts of Europe, the Americas Asia, and Australia, their indigenous people are black, even including Saudi Arabia.

FYI, the world owes Africa every aspect of civilization achieved today, not the other way round. That's a fact.

i'm not talking about anything written in a book, Can a civilization thrive without a foundation built on logic?

was there a path to enlightenment for Africans without European imperialism?

If there was, please point out the factors that indicated that, because even today, despite the availability of internet and mobile phones with camera, people still believe in juju

it's a societal flaw, it's not about the human, we are a product of the society that we belong to, unless you become a contrarian and question everything

You would accept and follow the herd and your actions will contribute to aggregate destruction for all


our society, culture and way of life doesn't promote intellectual growth aggregately

When a curious child ask questions, they are told to shut up and question nothing

We don't breed freethinkers, we breed puppets that are conditioned to serve at the pleasure of the elite

This has been going on for centuries, and even if you accept it or not, it has created a society of flawed people

Even if colonization never happened, we wouldn't have advanced into a civilized society.



you are among those people that believe in African exceptionallity

Greatness isn't claimed, it's attained

Which African country today is poised to achieve postmodernism?

Even in the next 300 years, with our population doubling and inequality rising, fools will breed fools, African greatness like you envision isn't even feasible for the foreseeable future and we were never as great as you are trying to make it seem

raumdeuter:


The bold says it all. Then you should endeavor to know before arguing with those who do

Things like telling defenders to run away like Bertrand

Things I don't know in football are basically those off pitch stuffs and it's because I an simply not interested in knowing them,anybody can cook up stories for idiots to run away with it,simply because the source is from abroad. I remembered when Barcelona was in rough patch sometime ago in 2012 and the media were quick to point fingers and mentioning dressing room unrest or something, David villa quickly came and told them not to look for rift were there is none. Meanwhile,i already had poeple who already believed the story of David villa and messi not getting along in Barca's dressing room by the media. So pls I'm not into rumours,I prefer to talk on things I see in football just like players actions on the pitch which includes defending which you don't know and can never know, if you continue to believe there is something like defenders running away from attacker.

raumdeuter:


I wasnt the one who wrote Martials contract and got Man Utd to agree to the Balon dor clause. E get wetin dem see that you couldnt see and couldnt see with Salah

LooL. Who is talking about ballon d’or clause? Did you or did you not say Marrtial will be a world beater? Ehn?

How can you expect us to believe every word out of the fake prophetic mouth wey talk say Martial will be a world beater?

You don chop L on this matter already. Abi you want to eat your L and still have it?

popizaino:


Things I don't know in football are basically those off pitch stuffs and it's because I an simply not interested in knowing them,anybody can cook up stories for idiots to run away with it,simply because the source is from abroad. I remembered when Barcelona was in rough patch sometime ago in 2012 and the media were quick to point fingers and mentioning dressing room unrest or something, David villa quickly came and told them not to look for rift were there is none. Meanwhile,i already had poeple who already believed the story of David villa and messi not getting along in Barca's dressing room by the media. So pls I'm not into rumours,I prefer to talk on things I see in football just like players actions on the pitch which includes defending which you don't know and can never know, if you continue to believe there is something like defenders running away from attacker.

You are wasting your time dragging this issue with Dayo.

Every defender with an iota of sense knows that delaying an attacker until reinforcements come is the way to go.

popizaino:





The only reason above is that he (Daniel levy) was unwilling to sell his best player to a direct city rival and nothing else,had other team come at that period he could have sold him without hearing any of this long story. Now, Modric's transfer is far gone,just recently the same Daniel levy sold walker to man city,is there any saga that went behind the scene that you want us to know?

Why do u think I gave Daniel Levy as the reason why Kane is not a Barca player? It's because he's a shrewd business man who will either milk any potential suitor of his top players or mentally drain the players before allowing them to leave.

Since u admitted in ur response to raumdeuter that there a lot of things u don't know in football because u are not interested, then I undertand why u don't know these things.

U asked if there was any saga u weren't aware of, well u should know Dimitar Berbatov suffered the same fate as Modric in his move to Man utd back then; and yes! Man utd was not tottenham's city rival neither were they direct rivals in the race to the league.

As regards Walker, we all know Pep and his Arab Sugar daddies had to break the bank to get him out of White Hart Lane. It's been over 4 years since he was signed yet he's still amongst the top 5 most expensive RB in history. You feel me?

Havertz10:
i'm not talking about anything written in a book, Can a civilization thrive without a foundation built on logic?

was there a path to enlightenment for Africans without European imperialism?

If there was, please point out the factors that indicated that, because even today, despite the availability of internet and mobile phones with camera, people still believe in juju

it's a societal flaw, it's not about the human, we are a product of the society that we belong too, unless you become a contrarian and question everything

You would accept and follow the herd and your actions will contribute to aggregate destruction for all

That's where i'm coming from, you are among those people that believe in African exceptionallity

Greatness isn't claimed, it's attained

Which African country today is poised to achieve postmodernism?

Even in the next 300 years, with our population doubling and inequality rising, fools will breed fools, African greatness like you envision isn't even feasible for the foreseeable future and we were never as great as you are trying to make it look

You're not making any sense at all. If this assertion of yours is true, then that means no civilization has ever existed on this planet in history because looking at human history, the majority of the peoples in all parts of the world have always worshipped one god/goddess or the other, whether civilized or not.

Today, religious people are in the majority in all First World countries. Just like those religions of the so-called civilized people have their good and bad aspects, the native ones in Africa also do.

But the problem is you're focusing on the bad parts of these indigenous religions as you were taught by the white supremacists.

Thus, if you're saying that for the simple fact that being religious means a country isn't civilized, then you clearly don't know what you're talking about.

You're taking "civilization" to be the same as "enlightenment". But both are starkly different.

In all eras of human history, freethinkers have always been in the minority, and I don't see that changing in the next few hundred years.

(Though Otem says in some centuries from now, the scale will tip in favor of freethinkers. This, he claims, was revealed to him by some ancestors of Africa, the gods and goddesses worshipped in religions, who monitor (future) happenings on Earth via satellites from other planets with times much faster than ours and in some parts of the inner universe where there's no time.

It's an interesting statement, but still a claim nevertheless.)

You're a clearly a very ignorant fellow to posit it was the whites that brought enlightenment to Africa.

Were most of the white people or Arabs themselves even enlightened a few hundred years ago?

You're funny.

In any nation or during any human era, the enlightened ones are always few.

Away from egbon Dayo's wahala.........Gavi the young Spanish sensational talent already has verratti as his role model,Gilmour and a whole lot of arsenal players wanted to be like fabregas,Pirlo had multitude of players who wanted to be like him including myself . but let not forget certain European best player who is been hyped as the next best thing since slice bread, for making over 5000 back passes doesn't have any player looking up to him.

A001:

You're not making any sense at all. If this assertion of yours is true, then that no civilization has ever existed on this planet in history because looking at human history, the majority of the peoples in all parts of the world have always worshipped one god/goddess or the other, whether civilized or not.

Today, religious people are in the majority in all First World countries. Just like those religions of the so-called civilized people have their good and bad aspects, the native ones in Africa also do.

But the problem is you're focusing on the bad parts of these indigenous religions as you were taught by the white supremacists.

Thus, if you're saying that for the simple fact that being religious means a country isn't civilized, then you clearly don't know what you're talking about.

You're taking "civilization" to be the same as "enlightenment". But both are starkly different.

In all eras of human history, freethinkers have always been in the minority, and I don't see that changing in the next few hundred years.

(Though Otem says in some centuries from now, the scale will tip in favor of freethinkers. This, he claims, was revealed to him by some ancestors of Africa, the gods and goddesses worshipped in religions, who monitor (future) happenings on Earth via satellites from other planets with times much faster than ours and in some parts of the inner universe where there's no time.

It's an interesting statement, but still a claim nevertheless.)

You're a clearly a very ignorant fellow to posit it was the whites that brought enlightenment to Africa.

Were most of the white people or Arabs themselves even enlightened a few hundred years ago?

You're funny.

In any nation or during any human era, the enlightened ones are always few.

Agadagodo!

afrodoc2:




Agadagodo!

Lols

raumdeuter:


Harry Kane still plays in Europe and CL. When was the last time Belotti did

Which CL is Harry Kane playing? CAF Champions League?

A001:

Before you start discussing about a subject you know very little of, first get good books of Africa's history or black race history written by African/black historians and read, not the crap you've been fed with by hegemonic European or Arab historians.

You clearly know very little about the ancient Egyptians, who called their land Kemet and were black/African people, not European or Arab as mischievously painted in history books written by whites or Arabs or by their media houses.

Related: https://en.lisapoyakama.org/the-ancient-egyptians-were-black/

Ancient Egypt used to be a superpower in the olden days, just like the US is today.

I don't even need to waste time in this sort of discussion considering the fact that even though Africa is the second largest continent in the world by both population and land mass after Asia, our continent is represented on world maps as if it's much smaller than the other continents and even countries in Europe and Asia.

It's not surprising that many white people see Africa as just a small country, not a large continent.

This simple yet highly significant misrepresentation shows how the whites have twisted many facts about Africa to Africans themselves and to the outside world.

They also did the same thing to the histories of ancient Egypt and other parts of North Africa.

Your comments here on this subject show these white supremacists did an excellent job of distorting the history of the black race.

Many leaders and historians in Africa and black nations outside the region wrote that book for people like you to educate yourself about Africa's real history and bin the trash taught to you over the years by the white and Arab supremacists.

FYI, in the oldest parts of Europe, the Americas Asia, and Australia, their indigenous people are black, even including Saudi Arabia.

FYI, the world owes Africa every aspect of the civilization achieved today, not the other way round. That's a fact.

I don't understand the effort to rewrite history.
Now I am not saying that account of the whites is accurate and faultless, I am saying that the disparity isn't as grand as you believe them to be.
Now whether civilization started from Africa or not, doesn't matter, what matter is that at the point of contact between the Europeans and Africans, the Europeans had more advanced technology that made it easier to take control of Africa. They took control and devised means to maintain that control. That's what matters.

Look at the two world wars and the increase in technology that came with it, no African country could boast of that. The European living conditions made them given to innovation and invention, and that made it possible for them to dominate Africa.

If Africa was left alone, we would have developed at our own pace definitely, but at the point in history that matters, we were not as technologically advanced, and you won't blame us, we had totally different cultures and priorities. We were simply not prepared to withstand invasion.

@ your last paragraph, that may or may not be a fact, even if it is, how does the knowledge that the world owes us civilization help our current state?

BikeMan:
Which CL is Harry Kane playing? CAF Champions League?

His club plays in Europe Conference League, where is Belotti playing

Leyqute:
You are wasting your time dragging this issue with Dayo.

Every defender with an iota of sense knows that delaying an attacker until reinforcements come is the way to go.

The reinforcement that Bertrand dey wait for what happened to them

popizaino:


Things I don't know in football are basically those off pitch stuffs and it's because I an simply not interested in knowing them,anybody can cook up stories for idiots to run away with it,simply because the source is from abroad. I remembered when Barcelona was in rough patch sometime ago in 2012 and the media were quick to point fingers and mentioning dressing room unrest or something, David villa quickly came and told them not to look for rift were there is none. Meanwhile,i already had poeple who already believed the story of David villa and messi not getting along in Barca's dressing room by the media. So pls I'm not into rumours,I prefer to talk on things I see in football just like players actions on the pitch which includes defending which you don't know and can never know, if you continue to believe there is something like defenders running away from attacker.

What was Bertrand doing and what VVD doing for most of his career

A001:

You're not making any sense at all. If this assertion of yours is true, then that means no civilization has ever existed on this planet in history because looking at human history, the majority of the peoples in all parts of the world have always worshipped one god/goddess or the other, whether civilized or not.

Today, religious people are in the majority in all First World countries. Just like those religions of the so-called civilized people have their good and bad aspects, the native ones in Africa also do.

But the problem is you're focusing on the bad parts of these indigenous religions as you were taught by the white supremacists.

Thus, if you're saying that for the simple fact that being religious means a country isn't civilized, then you clearly don't know what you're talking about.

You're taking "civilization" to be the same as "enlightenment". But both are starkly different.

In all eras of human history, freethinkers have always been in the minority, and I don't see that changing in the next few hundred years.

(Though Otem says in some centuries from now, the scale will tip in favor of freethinkers. This, he claims, was revealed to him by some ancestors of Africa, the gods and goddesses worshipped in religions, who monitor (future) happenings on Earth via satellites from other planets with times much faster than ours and in some parts of the inner universe where there's no time.

It's an interesting statement, but still a claim nevertheless.)

You're a clearly a very ignorant fellow to posit it was the whites that brought enlightenment to Africa.

Were most of the white people or Arabs themselves even enlightened a few hundred years ago?

You're funny.

In any nation or during any human era, the enlightened ones are always few.

I agree with your points here, Havertz10 is interpreting the present into the past.

Religion played its part in human development, you cannot deny that fact.
The US and Europe were religious for most parts even up till the late 1900s, that didn't stop them from developing.

And then there is the trend of blaming religion for everything, it's just funny.

What a shrewd businessman Mike Ashley is! I am so happy for the man. He may not be the most liked but he endured the worst banters and pressure from the English press and fans to sell his club but he held on to it nearly going into administration. Today, he is at the verge of selling his club to a Saudi group for an amount that nearly meets his asking price.

Emmynator:

I agree with your points here, Havertz10 is interpreting the present into the past.

Religion played its part in human development, you cannot deny that fact.
The US and Europe were religious for most parts even up till the late 1900s, that didn't stop them from developing.

And then there is the trend of blaming religion for everything, it's just funny.

I shouldn't blame religion for anything?

Religion is good for what exactly?

Morality is a social construct that can be studied and optimized

There is no moral question that can't be rationally answered

After missionaries educated your great-grand father in the village...

Emmynator:


I don't understand the effort to rewrite history.

Who's rewriting history? Maybe you think all the info in that book is new. They're not.

A number of African historians have written on the subject many years ago, but the current effort just got more support and backing from African leaders, especially the AU.

That's the major difference.

Who's more qualified to write the history of African people?

Africans or Europeans or Arabs? You're saying the authors and contributors that wrote that book are rewriting history?

If you don't narrate and document your own history, foreigners will do so as they wish and use it to manipulate you.

No one is rewriting history, unless of course you think the whites and the Arabs have exclusive rights to write the history of Africa.

Emmynator:


Now I am not saying that account of the whites is accurate and faultless, I am saying that the disparity isn't as grand as you believe them to be.

It's a lot grander. You sound like the average Nigerian that knows the (controversial) history of fictitious Jesus offhand but doesn't know the simplest of facts about the history of their native land.

No wonder most Nigerians see "black" as something dark, shameful or evil and "white" as the opposite. That's the dominant view in the country.

Emmynator:

Now whether civilization started from Africa or not, doesn't matter, what matter is that at the point of contact between the Europeans and Africans, the Europeans had more advanced technology that made it easier to take control of Africa. They took control and devised means to maintain that control. That's what matters.

You sound so naive. Even the highlighted doesn't matter to you, it's important for archeological, pedagogical, and research purpose.

Every aspect of history is important.

You might as well tell schools to scrap the aspects of archeology and paleontology in those departments that deal with the origin of civilizations on earth.

Emmynator:

Look at the two world wars and the increase in technology that came with it, no African country could boast of that. The European living conditions made them given to innovation and invention, and that made it possible for them to dominate Africa.

If Africa was left alone, we would have developed at our own pace definitely, but at the point in history that matters, we were not as technologically advanced, and you won't blame us, we had totally different cultures and priorities. We were simply not prepared to withstand invasion.

In any war, most times the party with the most sophisticated technologies and skilled men wins. That doesn't mean the invaders were more civilized than some parts of Africa hundreds of years ago.

Military technologies aren't the alpha and omega of technological advancements or civilization. The main reason why the whites had superior technologies was they're war-mongers and expansionists.

Many great countries in today's Europe used to consider plundering the resources of richer and friendlier countries and conquering and colonizing them a key part of their strategy for growth and development.

Many Africans in the past didn't have interest in such endeavors. But that doesn't mean some of those African countries were less civilized.

Due to this reluctance to invade and colonize foreign lands, that's why you'd hardly find adherents of African traditional religions beyond Africa, except due to the trans-Atlantic slavery trades, unlike Christianity and Islam.

Or do you define civilization or greatness based on a country's successful plundering efforts, engaging in slavery, invading and colonizing other people?

Emmynator:

@ your last paragraph, that may or may not be a fact, even if it is, how does the knowledge that the world owes us civilization help our current state?

This your question is a funny one.

Most Africans see whites and Arabs as their masters and as superior races because they (Africans), due to their lack of historical knowledge, don't know the damage these people they revere did to the continent over the past years through colonialism and slavery.

They only know the bad aspects of the history of black people as taught to them by the white and Arab supremacists, but not the glorious past. Both aspects are crucial.

While one shouldn't deal with the whites and Arabs with scorn or indignation, it's not proper to treat them obsequiously as well.

Most Africans see themselves as descendants of the ancestors of Israel people (that applies to the Christians) or descendants of the ancestors of Arabs (that applies to the Muslims).

This makes the Africans feel inferior to the whites and Arabs. But this popularly held notion about the origin of mankind is utterly false without any iota of evidence, except the Bible and Qur'an respectively.

But the claim in any book — however popular it's, whether religious or otherwise — still remains a claim unless enough evidence is given to support its veracity.

According to most experts in paleontology and archeology, Africa is the cradle of humankind.

This fact was arrived at working with the data collated over several years — a growing body of evidence in form of tons of fossils and remains of early humans discovered in East Africa over the last 60 years or thereabouts.

It's important to research about this fact concerning the origin of mankind and learn the African origin of civilization. If you don't know your history (both the good and bad aspects), you'll remain in slavery forever and easily lose your identity.

You reason like the average Nigerian that thinks it's a waste of time to learn history.

A001:

You're not making any sense at all. If this assertion of yours is true, then that means no civilization has ever existed on this planet in history because looking at human history, the majority of the peoples in all parts of the world have always worshipped one god/goddess or the other, whether civilized or not.

Today, religious people are in the majority in all First World countries. Just like those religions of the so-called civilized people have their good and bad aspects, the native ones in Africa also do.

But the problem is you're focusing on the bad parts of these indigenous religions as you were taught by the white supremacists.

Thus, if you're saying that for the simple fact that being religious means a country isn't civilized, then you clearly don't know what you're talking about.

You're taking "civilization" to be the same as "enlightenment". But both are starkly different.

In all eras of human history, freethinkers have always been in the minority, and I don't see that changing in the next few hundred years.

(Though Otem says in some centuries from now, the scale will tip in favor of freethinkers. This, he claims, was revealed to him by some ancestors of Africa, the gods and goddesses worshipped in religions, who monitor (future) happenings on Earth via satellites from other planets with times much faster than ours and in some parts of the inner universe where there's no time.

It's an interesting statement, but still a claim nevertheless.)

You're a clearly a very ignorant fellow to posit it was the whites that brought enlightenment to Africa

Were most of the white people or Arabs themselves even enlightened a few hundred years ago?

You're funny.

In any nation or during any human era, the enlightened ones are always few.

why are you spoiling the spirit of this conversation with insults, leave ignorance for the ignorant and let's focus on the subject at hand

I have asked you multiple times, to show me factors that indicated that Africans could attain enlightenment without Europeans but till now you have refused to mention any