Havertz10:
why are you spoiling the spirit of this conversation with insults, leave ignorance for the ignorant and let's focus on the subject at hand

I have asked you multiple times, to show me factors that indicated that Africans could attain enlightenment without Europeans but till now you have refused to mention any

Tell me where I mentioned enlightenment as you claimed.

Maybe you think civilization is the same as enlightenment, but it's not.

A001:

Tell me where I mentioned enlightenment as you claimed.

Maybe you think civilization is the same as enlightenment, but it's not.

only enlightenment can bring sustainable civilization

I stated that Europeans brought enlightenment to africa and you claimed that it's not true

I said that African supposed civilization wasn't a civilization but a tragedy waiting to happen because their foundational principle was flawed and based on barbaric practices, you said that they were great, that all civilizations fall

i'm now telling you that any civilization built on rational foundations can never fall

The only reason Europeans attained enlightenment was because they explored, they traveled and learnt different cultural habits and practices

it's this premise that led to the age of enlightenment

The biggest benefactor of it is actually America

Age of enlightenment led to the French revolution, american founding fathers created a constitution modeled after French national assembly constitution created during the French revolution

Civil liberties and freedom for all its people, rational systematic procedures

Religion and government aren't aligned in America, forget all those god bless America that their politicians say, American societal and social system is very secular, there is no mention of religion in their constitution, there is a very clear separation between church and state

Scopes monkey trial self dey but i'm tired of typing

Civilization thrives and advances, if it's foundational principle is logical, if it's based on religion and superstitious practices, it's a tragedy waiting to happen

The true character of man is a function of time. But sometimes you need not wait for time to expose frauds for the unsuspecting public to know their reality.

Newcastle to finish top4 next season

ALEXAPLAYME:
Newcastle to finish top4 next season

awkward

Omo, Saint-maxim to become a star player

ALEXAPLAYME:
Newcastle to finish top4 next season

United fans when they see the news

Neobulletzz:

how does England attract these investors and investments?

raumdeuter:


His club plays in Europe Conference League, where is Belotti playing

Man wanted to pass Conference League as CL as if we won’t notice naso

Tomorrow now, you will be here saying this competition that was formed this year shouldn’t be regarded.

Havertz10:
only enlightenment can bring sustainable civilization

I stated that Europeans brought enlightenment to africa and you claimed that it's not true

I said that African supposed civilization wasn't a civilization but a tragedy waiting to happen because their foundational principle was flawed and based on barbaric practices, you said that they were great, that all civilizations fall

i'm now telling you that any civilization built on rational foundations can never fall

The only reason Europeans attained enlightenment was because they explored, they traveled and learnt different cultural habits and practices

it's this premise that led to the age of enlightenment

The biggest benefactor of it is actually America

Age of enlightenment led to the French revolution, american founding fathers created a constitution modeled after French national assembly constitution created during the French revolution

Civil liberties and freedom for all its people, rational systematic procedures

Religion and government aren't aligned in America, forget all those god bless America that their politicians say, American societal and social system is very secular, there is no mention of religion in their constitution, there is a very clear separation between church and state

Scopes monkey trial self dey but i'm tired of typing

Civilization thrives and advances, if it's foundational principle is logical, if it's based on religion and superstitious practices, it's a tragedy waiting to happen

You clearly know very little about Africa's history. You clearly don't know what you're talking about when you mentioned America when discussing colonization in Africa.

How many countries did America colonize?

When did the US even become a superpower? Lols.

Your argument about enlightenment holds little value when in all eras of human history, religious people have always been in the majority.

And an average religionist believes he's enlightened, even though you may feel otherwise.

FYI, most, if not all, religions in the world have their bad or barbaric practices.

Everything you've been churning out here is the history of Africa as narrated by Europeans, not by African themselves.

Yes, the Europeans brought enlightenment to Africa by colonizing, enslaving, and plundering the resources of most African countries.

Lols. Read more about such enlightenment they brought to Africa below:

Belgium’s King Sends Letter of Regret Over Colonial Past in Congo

"The first acknowledgment by the royal family of the European country’s brutal actions in central Africa stopped short of an outright apology. It comes as Belgium begins to publicly reckon with the abuses."

More: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/30/world/europe/belgium-king-congo.html

Only someone that knows very little about the horrors of slavery and colonialism will write those two vices in the same line with enlightenment.

Your problem is you think without Western-style education, a person isn't educated, and without understanding English, a person isn't intelligent or enlightened.

It's easy to arrive at these deductions from your posts on this subject.

If some Africans used to engage in few barbaric religious practices hundreds of years ago, does that mean the whole of Africa did the same?

All you've been saying about Africa is what the whites wrote. An informed perspective will contain aspects from both the conquerors and conquered.

And only the natives of a land can really narrate an accurate or fairly accurate history of their land, not foreigners, not their conquerors.

Can you make a reference to any traditional religion where worshippers had a concensus view about engaging in such barbaric practices?

Anyone that knows African history well enough would know African traditional worshippers have diverse religious beliefs, practices, and gods/goddesses.

If you think Africans were really savages as the European historians claim, then you should ask yourself why many Greek philosophers got educated in ancient Egypt, a country of blacks going by their writings, inscriptions on walls, statues and pictures of their gods and rulers.

The people that built those pyramids were black/African, not Arabs or Europeans as the Euro-centric historians claim.

If you think savages could build those pyramids, then you're joking.

A number of books of history written by Africans and early Greek authors narrated the history of the ancient black people of Egypt, including Otem's literature and the one shared above.

But I understand you must rate those ones as inferior to the ones the white slavemasters wrote since the latter gave you enlightenment.

If I dress in a native wear, use beads and cowries for fashion and converse with people in Yoruba most times offline, people like you would say I'm not enlightened.

If I teach students in Yoruba, you'd say I'm not educated.

To think Europeans traveled thousands of miles through both lands and seas just to bring you enlightenment is a funny claim.

You're just arguing about a subject matter you've not taken the time to research on.

Going by your comments, it's clear you know next to nothing about ancient Egyptian civilizations, Old Mali Empires, and the other empires mentioned above to think all these great people engaged in barbaric practices as some European historians might have claimed when they didn't even have a single native religion.

FYI, you can be enlightened and civilized by worshiping your native gods and without practicing democracy.

Read on the great civilizations and empires of the past that weren't democratic.

raumdeuter:


What was Bertrand doing and what VVD doing for most of his career

Bertrand didn't execute it probably,he should have engaged salah as soon as he saw many his teammates coming into support with also salah getting more closer to his post.

A001:

You clearly know very little about Africa's history. You clearly don't know what you're talking about when you mentioned America when discussing colonization in Africa.

How many countries did America colonize?

When did the US even become a superpower? Lols.

Your argument about enlightenment holds little value when in all eras of human history, religious people have always been in the majority.

And an average religionist believes he's enlightened, even though you may feel otherwise.

FYI, most, if not all, religions in the world have their bad or barbaric practices.

Everything you've been churning out here is the history of Africa as narrated by Europeans, not by African themselves.

Yes, the Europeans brought enlightenment to Africa by colonizing, enslaving, and plundering the resources of most African countries.

Lols. Read more about such enlightenment they brought to Africa below:

I know all about Belgium's escapades in Congo over rubber, I never said that they were saints, who are the saints? Nigerians? How many innocent lives were sacrificed to imaginary gods? Twins that were killed or dissidents that were slaughtered for being opinionated, we all have blood on our hands, rest with the agenda

You have implied repeatedly that Africa would have advanced into a civilized society if colonization never happened, that claim is my issue, there is no evidence to back such assertions

Because Africans were at no point enlightened and even being outspoken against norms in the land was met with death


Most of these issues predate religion particularly in the south

So I ask again, why are you promoting African exceptionallity, when there was never anything exceptional about those barbaric neanderthals

BikeMan:
Man wanted to pass Conference League as CL as if we won’t notice naso

Tomorrow now, you will be here saying this competition that was formed this year shouldn’t be regarded.

I am only responsible for what I post not what you understand. I said Kane plays in Europe and in CL. Show us the last time Belotti played in Europe

popizaino:



Bertrand didn't execute it probably,he should have engaged salah as soon as he saw many his teammates coming into support with also salah getting more closer to his post.

You see how you tie yourself up with lack of logic? So the Spanish defender yesterday executed it properly but Bertrand didnt execute properly?

When you start following certain monikers here, you will start reasoning like them

like Chelsea, like super eagles

A001:

You clearly know very little about Africa's history. You clearly don't know what you're talking about when you mentioned America when discussing colonization in Africa.

How many countries did America colonize?

When did the US even become a superpower? Lols.

Your argument about enlightenment holds little value when in all eras of human history, religious people have always been in the majority.

And an average religionist believes he's enlightened, even though you may feel otherwise.

FYI, most, if not all, religions in the world have their bad or barbaric practices.

Everything you've been churning out here is the history of Africa as narrated by Europeans, not by African themselves.

Yes, the Europeans brought enlightenment to Africa by colonizing, enslaving, and plundering the resources of most African countries.

Lols. Read more about such enlightenment they brought to Africa below:

Belgium’s King Sends Letter of Regret Over Colonial Past in Congo

"The first acknowledgment by the royal family of the European country’s brutal actions in central Africa stopped short of an outright apology. It comes as Belgium begins to publicly reckon with the abuses."

More: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/30/world/europe/belgium-king-congo.html

Only someone that knows very little about the horrors of slavery and colonialism will write those two vices in the same line with enlightenment.

Your problem is you think without Western-style education, a person isn't educated, and without understanding English, a person isn't intelligent or enlightened.

It's easy to arrive at these deductions from your posts on this subject.

If some Africans used to engage in few barbaric religious practices hundreds of years ago, does that mean the whole of Africa did the same?

All you've been saying about Africa is what the whites wrote. An informed perspective will contain aspects from both the conquerors and conquered.

And only the natives of a land can really narrate an accurate or fairly accurate history of their land, not foreigners, not their conquerors.

Can you make a reference to any traditional religion where worshippers had a concensus view about engaging in such barbaric practices?

Anyone that knows African history well enough would know African traditional worshippers have diverse religious beliefs, practices, and gods/goddesses.

If you think Africans were really savages as the European historians claim, then you should ask yourself why many Greek philosophers got educated in ancient Egypt, a country of blacks going by their writings, inscriptions on walls, statues and pictures of their gods and rulers.

The people that built those pyramids were black/African, not Arabs or Europeans as the Euro-centric historians claim.

If you think savages could build those pyramids, then you're joking.

A number of books of history written by Africans and early Greek authors narrated the history of the ancient black people of Egypt, including Otem's literature and the one shared above.

But I understand you must rate those ones as inferior to the ones the white slavemasters wrote since the latter gave you enlightenment.

If I dress in a native wear, use beads and cowries for fashion and converse with people in Yoruba most times offline, people like you would say I'm not enlightened.

If I teach students in Yoruba, you'd say I'm not educated.

To think Europe traveled thousands of miles through both lands and seas just to bring you enlightenment is a funny claim.

You're just arguing about a subject matter you've not taken the time to research on.

Going by your comments, it's clear you know next to nothing about ancient Egyptian civilizations, Old Mali Empires, and the other empires mentioned above to think all these great people engaged in barbaric practices as some European historians might have claimed when they didn't even have a single native religion.

FYI, you can be enlightened and civilized by worshiping your native gods and without practicing democracy.

Read on the great civilizations and empires of the past that weren't democratic.

Which of the following did you study:

Classics
History
International relations

milann:
Which of the following did you study:

Classics
History
International relations

I did Physics. But history and philosophy are subjects I read and research about as a hobby.

raumdeuter:


The reinforcement that Bertrand dey wait for what happened to them

Water and garri ni.

2 v 1 situations often end up in a goal, especially with players like Salah with the ball. Jumping in to tackle is a worse decision

Lols, the PL is wary of Sharia laws from Saudi making their way into the prestigious league. Hmmm

Havertz10:
Colonization had it's plus and minuses but if left alone we would have never been wakanda, I agree that the details of events have been written by Europeans

but let's not pretend like they gathered our people and enslaved them

Our own people sold their own, we promoted such trade practices, enforced and built an industry based on it

What kind of people sell their own for material things?


At birth every human is an unwritten chapter in their own book, it's your society, experiences and culture that fills the pages to become the book that defines who you are, african culture creates a society of people that are inherently stupid, i'm not saying this as a hater but it's the truth, we aren't rational people, we believe in supernatural things in destructive, aggregate, proportions that gives those beliefs power over policies that governs our lives, we promote and champion counterproductive sentimental causes that are harmful now and in the long term

We don't think as a collective, we arent creative, we aren't curious, we prefer to just live our mediocre lives being compliant societal cogs to the social system we find ourselves in, have a family and die with no legacy left behind

even if the europeans never came, we would have still been backwards, we have been breed to be collectively and intellectually incompetent, boastful ignorant and naively entitled

Religion just gives those assumptions fuel to motivate you that you matter in the grand scheme of things but africans are stupid and I know that when alone they look around themselves and agree that something is wrong and it's always not them but god is coming to fix it because africans are special, the chosen race

We have been fed this false assumption of exceptionallity

there was a time we were great they like to boast but were we ever great? , those times looked great because of our population then was small.

Nigerian population 1960 was 46m
Today it's more than 200m

You must have read the wrong history book.

While I understand Teejay is angry and has issues with the way the colonial masters treated our forebearers, I don't really understand what he's trying to achieve by saying some of those things the whitemen documented about some barbaric acts done in the past really did not happen.

I mean look at the whiteman's account of the invasion of Benin kingdom; they mentioned human sacrifices being made, slaves being hung on stake to appease the gods, etc. You may want to believe these things didn't happen but was figment of the whiteman's imagination, however if u look at some communities even in this present day who still carry out human sacrifices, oro festivals that prohibits women from coming in contact with or else such woman will never be seen again, etc.....Then u should be able to deduce most of these things(if not all) did happen.

For the umpteenth time, religion is not the reason Africa is the way it is....rather it's our own people with their own vices ranging from corruption, tribalism, that have caused our own woes.

Neobulletzz:

This is just bullying

milann:
like Chelsea, like super eagles

Looks like fixed match

raumdeuter:


Analysts who saw Messi in 2007 knew he would be one of the greatest they didn't wait till 2011

People who saw Ronaldo in 1996 knew he was special they didn't wait till 2002

Same eyes we take see Salah 4yrs ago and declared him in the conversation the best from Africa but people like you disagree. What is Salah now? A 5 season wonder?

Salah may be the greatest African to play in the EPL now, but he was not as at when you said it. You should know that you are sounding ridiculous now.

You have eyes to see the future yet you and Ibime could not see that Abraham would never make it at Chelsea. Maybe I can decide to start claiming that I have eyes to spot mediocre players. Akụkọ ndị mgbu.

Leyqute:


No be the same eye you take see Martial as future ballon d’or contender 3 years ago ?

Astute ko, ashunu ni

Na still the one em take see Kane as one season wonder.

BlueRayDick:
While I understand Teejay is angry and has issues with the way the colonial masters treated our forebearers, I don't really understand what he's trying to achieve by saying some of those things the whitemen documented about some barbaric acts done in the past really did not happen.

I mean look at the whiteman's account of the invasion of Benin kingdom; they mentioned human sacrifices being made, slaves being hung on stake to appease the gods, etc. You may want to believe these things didn't happen but was figment of the whiteman's imagination, however if u look at some communities even in this present day who still carry out human sacrifices, oro festivals that prohibits women from coming in contact with or else such woman will never be seen again, etc.....Then u should be able to deduce most of these things(if not all) did happen.

.

Can you quote me where I said the highlighted?

The guy above is generalizing that the whole of Africa practiced such a barbaric act, which is simply false.

I said the highlighted below about what you stated and never denied some Africans engaged in few barbaric acts.

Please, read my posts well before saying what I never stated.

A001:

Your argument about enlightenment holds little value when in all eras of human history, religious people have always been in the majority.

And an average religionist believes he's enlightened, even though you may feel otherwise.

FYI, most, if not all, religions in the world have their bad or barbaric practices.

Everything you've been churning out here is the history of Africa as narrated by Europeans, not by African themselves.

Yes, the Europeans brought enlightenment to Africa by colonizing, enslaving, and plundering the resources of most African countries.

Lols. Read more about such enlightenment they brought to Africa below:

Belgium’s King Sends Letter of Regret Over Colonial Past in Congo

"The first acknowledgment by the royal family of the European country’s brutal actions in central Africa stopped short of an outright apology. It comes as Belgium begins to publicly reckon with the abuses."

More: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/30/world/europe/belgium-king-congo.html

Only someone that knows very little about the horrors of slavery and colonialism will write those two vices in the same line with enlightenment.

Your problem is you think without Western-style education, a person isn't educated, and without understanding English, a person isn't intelligent or enlightened.

It's easy to arrive at these deductions from your posts on this subject.

If some Africans used to engage in few barbaric religious practices hundreds of years ago, does that mean the whole of Africa did the same?

All you've been saying about Africa is what the whites wrote. An informed perspective will contain aspects from both the conquerors and conquered.

And only the natives of a land can really narrate an accurate or fairly accurate history of their land, not foreigners, not their conquerors.

Can you make a reference to any traditional religion where worshippers had a concensus view about engaging in such barbaric practices?

Anyone that knows African history well enough would know African traditional worshippers have diverse religious beliefs, practices, and gods/goddesses.

If you think Africans were really savages as the European historians claim, then you should ask yourself why many Greek philosophers got educated in ancient Egypt, a country of blacks going by their writings, inscriptions on walls, statues and pictures of their gods and rulers.

You're just arguing about a subject matter you've not taken the time to research on.

Going by your comments, it's clear you know next to nothing about ancient Egyptian civilizations, Old Mali Empires, and the other empires mentioned above to think all these great people engaged in barbaric practices as some European historians might have claimed when they didn't even have a single native religion.
.

About the impact of religion on Africa, that's a topic for another day.

On this day in 2018 John Terry announced his retirement from football!

- 717 Appearances
- Premier League (5)
- F.A Cup (5)
- League Cup (3)
- Champions League (1)
- Europa League (1)
- FA Community Shield (2)

Other Honours:
- UEFA’s most valuable defender 2005, 2008 and 2009
- Chelsea Special Commitment Award 2009
- Chelsea Player of the Year 2001 and 2006
- PFA Player of the Year 2005

He was in the Chelsea Academy from the age of 14, became a professional player on 1998. At age Aged 17 years 10 months, he played against Aston Villa at home in a League Cup game on 28, October 1998.

John Terry is Chelsea’s all-time top scoring defender (67 goals), and captained 580 games for Chelsea.

Thank you for everything, JT26

Leyqute:


LooL. Who is talking about ballon d’or clause? Did you or did you not say Marrtial will be a world beater? Ehn?

How can you expect us to believe every word out of the fake prophetic mouth wey talk say Martial will be a world beater?

You don chop L on this matter already. Abi you want to eat your L and still have it?

A001:

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Roberto Martinez hasn't done anything exceptional with this Belgium team .