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This Is What A Recruiter Told Me About Software Developers From Nigeria by Lindner: 6:25pm On Oct 09, 2021
I've engaged with some developers on nairaland about this topic and out of frustration, I just surrendered.

Since the pandemic and the popularization of remote work, it's no longer news that western tech companies now look to source talents from Africa and Some parts of Asia. The rationale is to cut cost.

A recruiter that recruits for some of these tech companies recently told me that they no longer disclose potential salary budget to candidates from Africa, especially Nigeria.

She mentioned that they are always shocked at the salary expectations of candidates. She went further to state that 9 out of 10 candidates from Africa request for between 20% to 80% below the budget of the companies( Even though the company is already saving a lot by recruiting from Africa). And the fact that she mentioned Nigeria specifically got me a little angry.

Why tf will you guys be asking for $500/month for a software development role no matter whether its entry level or not? What values do you place on yourself? Just because you live in Nigeria? A cleaner does not even get paid $500/month in those companies. Do you feel good knowing the colleague you'll be working with is earning ×5 of what you're being paid and you're probably even adding more value. Don't you get angry?

The painful part is that some of these companies didnt even offer to pay you these miserable salaries, you requested it yourself.

Sometime ago, on another thread here on NL, on the same topic of remote job compensation, some folks came to the thread with alot of justification why $500/month is a good offer. They cited exchange rate, poverty rate in Nigeria, how there's no job and every other pathetic reasons why they should slave away to a western company. I can't even begin to reason the ones that are hawking their "skills" here on NL offering to build a full fledged e-commerce site with integrated payment solutions for 10k naira.

I don't care what you say, if you know your shit and have good self esteem, you can earn as much as $4k/month. Before you come here and start reciting all the impossibilites in your books, know that I'm writing from a position of knowledge. I have statistics and real life examples to substantiate this figure. I myself have been working remotely even before the pandemic.


I wouldn't have bothered to even write, but this development is now coming back to bite some of us just because we answer the name Nigerian.

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Re: This Is What A Recruiter Told Me About Software Developers From Nigeria by Nobody: 6:43pm On Oct 09, 2021
Lindner:
I've engaged with some developers on nairaland about this topic and out of frustration, I just surrendered.

Since the pandemic and the popularization of remote work, it's no longer news that western tech companies now look to source talents from Africa and Some parts of Asia. The rationale is to cut cost.

A recruiter that recruits for some of these tech companies recently told me that they no longer disclose potential salary budget to candidates from Africa, especially Nigeria.

She mentioned that they are always shocked at the salary expectations of candidates. She went further to state that 9 out of 10 candidates from Africa request for between 20% to 80% below the budget of the companies( Even though the company is already saving a lot by recruiting from Africa). And the fact that she mentioned Nigeria specifically got me a little angry.

Why tf will you guys be asking for $500/month for a software development role no matter whether its entry level or not? What values do you place on yourself? Just because you live in Nigeria? A cleaner does not even get paid $500/month in those companies. Do you feel good knowing the colleague you'll be working with is earning ×5 of what you're being paid and you're probably even adding more value. Don't you get angry?

The painful part is that some of these companies didnt even offer to pay you these miserable salaries, you requested it yourself.

Sometime ago, on another thread here on NL, on the same topic of remote job compensation, some folks came to the thread with alot of justification why $500/month is a good offer. They cited exchange rate, poverty rate in Nigeria, how there's no job and every other pathetic reasons why they should slave away to a western company. I can't even begin to reason the ones that are hawking their "skills" here on NL offering to build a full fledged e-commerce site with integrated payment solutions for 10k naira.

I don't care what you say, if you know your shit and have good self esteem, you can earn as much as $4k/month. Before you come here and start reciting all the impossibilites in your books, know that I'm writing from a position of knowledge. I have statistics and real life examples to substantiate this figure. I myself have been working remotely even before the pandemic.


I wouldn't have bothered to even write, but this development is now coming back to bite some of us just because we answer the name Nigerian.

Nice write up bro... Nice of you to educate folks here.

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Re: This Is What A Recruiter Told Me About Software Developers From Nigeria by shegzhkn: 6:52pm On Oct 09, 2021
Lindner:
I've engaged with some developers on nairaland about this topic and out of frustration, I just surrendered.

Since the pandemic and the popularization of remote work, it's no longer news that western tech companies now look to source talents from Africa and Some parts of Asia. The rationale is to cut cost.

A recruiter that recruits for some of these tech companies recently told me that they no longer disclose potential salary budget to candidates from Africa, especially Nigeria.

She mentioned that they are always shocked at the salary expectations of candidates. She went further to state that 9 out of 10 candidates from Africa request for between 20% to 80% below the budget of the companies( Even though the company is already saving a lot by recruiting from Africa). And the fact that she mentioned Nigeria specifically got me a little angry.

Why tf will you guys be asking for $500/month for a software development role no matter whether its entry level or not? What values do you place on yourself? Just because you live in Nigeria? A cleaner does not even get paid $500/month in those companies. Do you feel good knowing the colleague you'll be working with is earning ×5 of what you're being paid and you're probably even adding more value. Don't you get angry?

The painful part is that some of these companies didnt even offer to pay you these miserable salaries, you requested it yourself.

Sometime ago, on another thread here on NL, on the same topic of remote job compensation, some folks came to the thread with alot of justification why $500/month is a good offer. They cited exchange rate, poverty rate in Nigeria, how there's no job and every other pathetic reasons why they should slave away to a western company. I can't even begin to reason the ones that are hawking their "skills" here on NL offering to build a full fledged e-commerce site with integrated payment solutions for 10k naira.

I don't care what you say, if you know your shit and have good self esteem, you can earn as much as $4k/month. Before you come here and start reciting all the impossibilites in your books, know that I'm writing from a position of knowledge. I have statistics and real life examples to substantiate this figure. I myself have been working remotely even before the pandemic.


I wouldn't have bothered to even write, but this development is now coming back to bite some of us just because we answer the name Nigerian.

Lol, poor orientation and exposure.
So did the recruiter told you they are now thinking of exploiting the devs. even more since they don't know their worth ??

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Re: This Is What A Recruiter Told Me About Software Developers From Nigeria by Lindner: 6:57pm On Oct 09, 2021
shegzhkn:


Lol, poor orientation and exposure.
So did the recruiter told you they are now thinking of exploiting the devs. even more since they don't know their worth ??

What do you expect? I didn't need to ask her. A business wants to make money and cut cost. And some of these devs are really good. I've worked with a good number of devs in Nigeria and I dont fail to bring up this topic. The outcome has always been the same. They made me feel greedy. I needed this confirmation from a recruiter just to be sure.
Re: This Is What A Recruiter Told Me About Software Developers From Nigeria by incogni2o: 6:58pm On Oct 09, 2021
shegzhkn:


Lol, poor orientation and exposure.
So did the recruiter told you they are now thinking of exploiting the devs. even more since they don't know their worth ??

Hmm

Pls which sites do you use in applying
Re: This Is What A Recruiter Told Me About Software Developers From Nigeria by Nobody: 7:02pm On Oct 09, 2021
Forget English, na person wey get hope or money dey get strength to bargain salary.

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Re: This Is What A Recruiter Told Me About Software Developers From Nigeria by Lindner: 7:22pm On Oct 09, 2021
ClixMaster:
Forget English, na person wey get hope or money dey get strength to bargain salary.


Have you wondered why those companies don't call you back sometimes?

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Re: This Is What A Recruiter Told Me About Software Developers From Nigeria by kennethfranc(m): 7:25pm On Oct 09, 2021
I believe it's mostly caused by lack of exposure... You can't expect someone who have been learning for +7months without a tangible income source to turn down an offer just like like.
I bet 70% of the "gurus" will do the same if they where in there shoes.
More awareness will help a lot
Re: This Is What A Recruiter Told Me About Software Developers From Nigeria by shegzhkn: 7:31pm On Oct 09, 2021
Lindner:


What do you expect? I didn't need to ask her. A business wants to make money and cut cost. And some of these devs are really good. I've worked with a good number of devs in Nigeria and I dont fail to bring up this topic. The outcome has always been the same. They made me feel greedy. I needed this confirmation from a recruiter just to be sure.

Lol, did she hint you on the amount they had in mind for the jobs they are outsourcing, but it actually funny because apart from the fact that you can breath life into an idea and get to solve problem I'm pretty sure the monetary aspect is also an incentives to want to learn to code.

Why the hell will they even go so low.

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Re: This Is What A Recruiter Told Me About Software Developers From Nigeria by Lindner: 7:36pm On Oct 09, 2021
kennethfranc:
I believe it's mostly caused by lack of exposure... You can't expect someone who have been learning for +7months without a tangible income source to turn down an offer just like like.
I bet 70% of the "gurus" will do the same if they where in there shoes.
More awareness will help a lot

I would say a beginner can accept anything as their first gig just to get their foot in the door. But can you imagine a developer with 2 to 3 years experience who has shipped code to production many times asking for $500/month at interviews?

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Re: This Is What A Recruiter Told Me About Software Developers From Nigeria by shegzhkn: 7:38pm On Oct 09, 2021
Lindner:


What do you expect? I didn't need to ask her. A business wants to make money and cut cost. And some of these devs are really good. I've worked with a good number of devs in Nigeria and I dont fail to bring up this topic. The outcome has always been the same. They made me feel greedy. I needed this confirmation from a recruiter just to be sure.
Re: This Is What A Recruiter Told Me About Software Developers From Nigeria by Lindner: 7:40pm On Oct 09, 2021
shegzhkn:


Lol, did she hint you on the amount they had in mind for the jobs they are outsourcing, but it actually funny because apart from the fact that you can breath life into an idea and get to solve problem I'm pretty sure the monetary aspect is also an incentives to want to learn to code.

Why the hell will they even go so low.

The best way to figure it out is to think about how much value you'll be adding based on your job description would be adding in dollar terms to the company. Nobody cares who wrote the application whether you live Somalia or bauchi as long as the app works as expected. The company is making money, everybody including the janitor(who earns more than you) smiles home with a fair pay except you.

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Re: This Is What A Recruiter Told Me About Software Developers From Nigeria by shegzhkn: 7:44pm On Oct 09, 2021
Lindner:


The best way to figure it out is to think about how much value you'll be adding based on your job description would be adding in dollar terms to the company. Nobody cares who wrote the application whether you live Somalia or bauchi as long as the app works as expected. The company is making money, everybody including the janitor(who earns more than you) smiles home with a fair pay except you.

I also think the awful pay devs. get in Nigeria is also part of the whole situation and also the inability to be able to discern the value they are bringing to the table.
Re: This Is What A Recruiter Told Me About Software Developers From Nigeria by Nobody: 7:48pm On Oct 09, 2021
Lindner:


Have you wondered why those companies don't call you back sometimes?
Company that wants to call will call. I have not even finish learning let alone applying but I won't blame people collecting $500 per month as salary. If you have gone a day without food, you will understand that condition can make one do anything.

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Re: This Is What A Recruiter Told Me About Software Developers From Nigeria by Lindner: 7:49pm On Oct 09, 2021
shegzhkn:


I also think the awful pay devs. get in Nigeria is also part of the whole situation and also the inability to be able to discern the value they are bringing to the table.

Yeah. But those are Nigerian companies operating within the economic limitations of Nigeria. A US company that you read online that just raised $153m second round funding, you went to the interview and requested for $500/month. I have an issue with that.

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Re: This Is What A Recruiter Told Me About Software Developers From Nigeria by shegzhkn: 7:50pm On Oct 09, 2021
ClixMaster:
Company that wants to call will call. I have not even finish learning let alone applying but I won't blame people collecting $500 per month as salary. If you have gone a day without food, you will understand that condition can make one do anything.

Nope, i disagree with your assertion.
Re: This Is What A Recruiter Told Me About Software Developers From Nigeria by Nobody: 7:51pm On Oct 09, 2021
Lindner:


I would say a beginner can accept anything as their first gig just to get their foot in the door. But can you imagine a developer with 2 to 3 years experience who has shipped code to production many times asking for $500/month at interviews?
Ehee! Now you are talking.
Lindner:


Yeah. But those are Nigerian companies operating within the economic limitations of Nigeria. A US company that you read online that just raised $153m second round funding, you went to the interview and requested for $500/month. I have an issue with that.
Re: This Is What A Recruiter Told Me About Software Developers From Nigeria by shegzhkn: 7:53pm On Oct 09, 2021
Lindner:


Yeah. But those are Nigerian companies operating within the economic limitations of Nigeria. A US company that you read online that just raised $153m second round funding, you went to the interview and requested for $500/month. I have an issue with that.

You could say this because of your level of exposure, you need to get into the minds of these folks to understand their mental wiring.

A lot shape people thinking capability.

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Re: This Is What A Recruiter Told Me About Software Developers From Nigeria by Nobody: 7:54pm On Oct 09, 2021
shegzhkn:


Nope, i disagree with your assertion.
The same way a first class graduate is accepting 30k job offer in Nigeria is the same way a web developer can accept $500. Most have no choice.

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Re: This Is What A Recruiter Told Me About Software Developers From Nigeria by shegzhkn: 7:59pm On Oct 09, 2021
ClixMaster:
The same way a first class graduate is accepting 30k job offer in Nigeria is the same way a web developer can accept $500. Most have no choice.

Did u agree it awful though ??
Re: This Is What A Recruiter Told Me About Software Developers From Nigeria by Nobody: 8:14pm On Oct 09, 2021
shegzhkn:


Did u agree it awful though ??
Awful for people that have found their footings. Not for those that are first timers, without any hope of settling their bills.

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Re: This Is What A Recruiter Told Me About Software Developers From Nigeria by Lindner: 8:21pm On Oct 09, 2021
ClixMaster:
The same way a first class graduate is accepting 30k job offer in Nigeria is the same way a web developer can accept $500. Most have no choice.

Bro, there's nothing you want to tell me about hardship that I haven't experienced. Hunger and trekking from Gbaremu market to Ologuneru (Ibadan) on a 15k naira/month teaching job even with a MSc. Let me not even begin.

Like I said, a beginner needs that one opportunity to get in the industry and that's it. My targets here know themselves. They're experienced, they request for shitty pay to the extent that companies are now bench marking those dev's compensation to what is considered fair pay for the rest of us just because we're Nigerians. When you start hearing a company say (unofficially) that "We have a Nigerian in our books who is on 1/4 of what you're demanding" you know it's bad market.

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Re: This Is What A Recruiter Told Me About Software Developers From Nigeria by Bigshoe2028: 3:32am On Oct 10, 2021
Hunger is the number factor that most dev collect rubbish in name of salary,

Most of us were deceived when we dey small say hunger na bad thing but ask urself have u seen anybody the cause of dead is hunger
Re: This Is What A Recruiter Told Me About Software Developers From Nigeria by BECALMBECALM(m): 5:23am On Oct 10, 2021
Lindner:
I've engaged with some developers on nairaland about this topic and out of frustration, I just surrendered.

Since the pandemic and the popularization of remote work, it's no longer news that western tech companies now look to source talents from Africa and Some parts of Asia. The rationale is to cut cost.

A recruiter that recruits for some of these tech companies recently told me that they no longer disclose potential salary budget to candidates from Africa, especially Nigeria.

She mentioned that they are always shocked at the salary expectations of candidates. She went further to state that 9 out of 10 candidates from Africa request for between 20% to 80% below the budget of the companies( Even though the company is already saving a lot by recruiting from Africa). And the fact that she mentioned Nigeria specifically got me a little angry.

Why tf will you guys be asking for $500/month for a software development role no matter whether its entry level or not? What values do you place on yourself? Just because you live in Nigeria? A cleaner does not even get paid $500/month in those companies. Do you feel good knowing the colleague you'll be working with is earning ×5 of what you're being paid and you're probably even adding more value. Don't you get angry?

The painful part is that some of these companies didnt even offer to pay you these miserable salaries, you requested it yourself.

Sometime ago, on another thread here on NL, on the same topic of remote job compensation, some folks came to the thread with alot of justification why $500/month is a good offer. They cited exchange rate, poverty rate in Nigeria, how there's no job and every other pathetic reasons why they should slave away to a western company. I can't even begin to reason the ones that are hawking their "skills" here on NL offering to build a full fledged e-commerce site with integrated payment solutions for 10k naira.

I don't care what you say, if you know your shit and have good self esteem, you can earn as much as $4k/month. Before you come here and start reciting all the impossibilites in your books, know that I'm writing from a position of knowledge. I have statistics and real life examples to substantiate this figure. I myself have been working remotely even before the pandemic.


I wouldn't have bothered to even write, but this development is now coming back to bite some of us just because we answer the name Nigerian.
This is ridiculous. How could someone with three years experience on his job accept salary of 500 dollars/month ? You can only see such people in Nigeria. Very useless country. Even here in Asia people that are doing menial jobs can make 500 dollars in
three to fours days.
Re: This Is What A Recruiter Told Me About Software Developers From Nigeria by Lindner: 7:30am On Oct 10, 2021
BECALMBECALM:
This is ridiculous. How could someone with three years experience on his job accept salary of 500 dollars/month ? You can only see such people in Nigeria. Very useless country. Even here in Asia people that are doing menial jobs can make 500 dollars in
three to fours days.

I wouldn't be surprised to hear a dev is on less than $500/month working with a foreign company.
Re: This Is What A Recruiter Told Me About Software Developers From Nigeria by airsaylongcome: 7:34am On Oct 10, 2021
Lindner:


I would say a beginner can accept anything as their first gig just to get their foot in the door. But can you imagine a developer with 2 to 3 years experience who has shipped code to production many times asking for $500/month at interviews?

I don't even agree that a beginner should be getting $500 even as an intern. Basic research! Minimum wage in the US is $15/hr. Most tech jobs are in Cali where $15/hr means nothing to these tech companies. Absolute minimum any entry level should demand for should be around $15-$20 per hour

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Re: This Is What A Recruiter Told Me About Software Developers From Nigeria by airsaylongcome: 7:41am On Oct 10, 2021
Lindner:


I wouldn't be surprised to hear a dev is on less than $500/month working with a foreign company.

How will he foot his internet bill? Power bill nko? My internet costs almost 50k a month. Let's not add energy and other costs. Minimum anyone should be earning in tech is easily x4 of the $500 per month figure. Even slave trade crossover.com pay a minimum of $10/hour for software testers. That's $1600 per month (assuming crossover doesn't decide to be mad and deduct pay because you briefly looked away from your computer).

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Re: This Is What A Recruiter Told Me About Software Developers From Nigeria by Lindner: 7:59am On Oct 10, 2021
airsaylongcome:


How will he foot his internet bill? Power bill nko? My internet costs almost 50k a month. Let's not add energy and other costs. Minimum anyone should be earning in tech is easily x4 of the $500 per month figure. Even slave trade crossover.com pay a minimum of $10/hour for software testers. That's $1600 per month (assuming crossover doesn't decide to be mad and deduct pay because you briefly looked away from your computer).


I'm surprised I've not seen them come to this thread saying exchange rate is 560/$ and $500 is almost 300k naira. That's how they justify it. A lot of those companies now know what's up and do everything in their power to out negotiate you. Not because you're not competent but because you're Nigerian.

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Re: This Is What A Recruiter Told Me About Software Developers From Nigeria by airsaylongcome: 8:07am On Oct 10, 2021
Lindner:



I'm surprised I've not seen them come to this thread saying exchange rate is 560/$ and $500 is almost 300k naira. That's how they justify it. A lot of those companies now know what's up and do everything in their power to out negotiate you. Not because you're not competent but because you're Nigerian.

LOL! Earning 300k working overseas remote is slave trade. That's way less than the minimum wage in those countries. And is illegal! They know this and would most likely give the job as an invoiced contract. No one in Tech should earn less than $15 per hour working US markets. And that's for entry level and interns. Maybe slightly less working European markets.

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Re: This Is What A Recruiter Told Me About Software Developers From Nigeria by talk2hb1(m): 9:00am On Oct 10, 2021
Lindner:
I've engaged with some developers on nairaland about this topic and out of frustration, I just surrendered.

Since the pandemic and the popularization of remote work, it's no longer news that western tech companies now look to source talents from Africa and Some parts of Asia. The rationale is to cut cost.

A recruiter that recruits for some of these tech companies recently told me that they no longer disclose potential salary budget to candidates from Africa, especially Nigeria.

She mentioned that they are always shocked at the salary expectations of candidates. She went further to state that 9 out of 10 candidates from Africa request for between 20% to 80% below the budget of the companies( Even though the company is already saving a lot by recruiting from Africa). And the fact that she mentioned Nigeria specifically got me a little angry.

Why tf will you guys be asking for $500/month for a software development role no matter whether its entry level or not? What values do you place on yourself? Just because you live in Nigeria? A cleaner does not even get paid $500/month in those companies. Do you feel good knowing the colleague you'll be working with is earning ×5 of what you're being paid and you're probably even adding more value. Don't you get angry?

The painful part is that some of these companies didnt even offer to pay you these miserable salaries, you requested it yourself.

Sometime ago, on another thread here on NL, on the same topic of remote job compensation, some folks came to the thread with alot of justification why $500/month is a good offer. They cited exchange rate, poverty rate in Nigeria, how there's no job and every other pathetic reasons why they should slave away to a western company. I can't even begin to reason the ones that are hawking their "skills" here on NL offering to build a full fledged e-commerce site with integrated payment solutions for 10k naira.

I don't care what you say, if you know your shit and have good self esteem, you can earn as much as $4k/month. Before you come here and start reciting all the impossibilites in your books, know that I'm writing from a position of knowledge. I have statistics and real life examples to substantiate this figure. I myself have been working remotely even before the pandemic.


I wouldn't have bothered to even write, but this development is now coming back to bite some of us just because we answer the name Nigerian.
Just throway face my brother,
I interviewed a junior developer sometime last year and he said he is looking forward to 60,000naira monthly. I jẹ́jẹ́ly told him wé will think about it.

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Re: This Is What A Recruiter Told Me About Software Developers From Nigeria by Lindner: 9:37am On Oct 10, 2021
talk2hb1:

Just throway face my brother,
I interviewed a junior developer sometime last year and he said he is looking forward to 60,000naira monthly. I jẹ́jẹ́ly told him wé will think about it.

That's it. Placing little value on yourself could be interpreted by employers as you don't believe in yourself. Why should an employer believe in you when you don't believe in yourself.

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Re: This Is What A Recruiter Told Me About Software Developers From Nigeria by tensazangetsu20(m): 9:40am On Oct 10, 2021
Lindner:


That's it. Placing little value on yourself could be interpreted by employers as you don't believe in yourself. Why should an employer believe in you when you don't believe in yourself.
Seriously I don't know why but I believe if one is too cheap they don't know what they are doing. I remember wanting to hire a designer for some complex design and he told me 10k. I never contacted him again. I assumed him to be a quack.

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