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Re: This Is What A Recruiter Told Me About Software Developers From Nigeria by islamics(m): 7:13pm On Oct 11, 2021 |
airsaylongcome: There is a slack community opened by qtguru though it has not really been active. Why not make leverage/build it up from there. Some peeps here are part of the slack. He opened it with this same goal of remote stuff but Oga don busy now dey juggle two job. 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: This Is What A Recruiter Told Me About Software Developers From Nigeria by qtguru(m): 7:29pm On Oct 11, 2021 |
islamics: But I like the fact you guys are keeping it alive, I will update there from time to time |
Re: This Is What A Recruiter Told Me About Software Developers From Nigeria by Lindner: 8:18pm On Oct 11, 2021 |
airsaylongcome: Count me in!!!! If others could create it and manage it, I'll definately join. And if something like that already exist, I'm happy to join and contribute. |
Re: This Is What A Recruiter Told Me About Software Developers From Nigeria by BRATISLAVA: 8:21pm On Oct 11, 2021 |
islamics: Such a community exists? This has to be one of the best threads in a while. |
Re: This Is What A Recruiter Told Me About Software Developers From Nigeria by jonddon(m): 7:18am On Oct 12, 2021 |
The lesson here is that, never negotiate on empty stomach and never be scared to say what you worth, company wey go stay go stay 4 Likes |
Re: This Is What A Recruiter Told Me About Software Developers From Nigeria by Lindner: 8:51am On Oct 12, 2021 |
jonddon: Lol @never negotiate on empty stomach. 1 Like |
Re: This Is What A Recruiter Told Me About Software Developers From Nigeria by Eggovic: 9:48am On Oct 12, 2021 |
airsaylongcome:I'm heavily interested in this. I've been learning web development for quite sometime now. Taken part in some internships(hng internship being the most profound) but haven't really pushed anything to production to be used by others. By 2022 I should be in Canada and I seriously want to position myself for the tech job opportunities over there. I'm very much open to suggestions. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: This Is What A Recruiter Told Me About Software Developers From Nigeria by airsaylongcome: 9:59am On Oct 12, 2021 |
So let me correct one impression. IT goes beyond Development. Me I'm not a developer. I can "hack" together pieces of code if I absolutely have to. But I steer away from development. I steer away because of the nature of my personality. I find coding to be a dark deep never ending rabbit hole that you can never really get to the bottom of or retreat once you start. So I distract myself by staying superficial with a vast array of IT solutions. And I stay away from mainstream. I chose niche solutions that allow me to learn without the distraction of who is better than who in using the latest nifty data structure or the search algorithm with the smallest Big O metric. I'm currently into voice telephony and have home automation on the side to distract me |
Re: This Is What A Recruiter Told Me About Software Developers From Nigeria by Lindner: 10:14am On Oct 12, 2021 |
airsaylongcome: Yeah. The IT ecosystem is wide and deep. The best way to stay sane is to choose a niche based on passion and stick to it. I've done frontend, backend and full stack roles but it bores me to death. My newly found love is blockchain engineering especially decentralized finance. Perhaps because of my background in banking. Writing solidity codes that could potentially handle several hundreds of millions of dollars would send your heart racing knowing a single vulnerability could wreck the lives of thousands of people. It's like writing codes on drugs. I really wish more people would consider blockchain development. That ecosystem is exploding and employers are desperate for talents. Unfortunately, it's when it becomes saturated, that's when you start seeing posts like "Help, I want to learn blockchain development". In 2020, the demand for blockchain developers grew by 512%. No other skill in any field had such growth and they're the highest paid also from statistics. With what I've seen in 2021, that growth is most likely going to be doubled. 12 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: This Is What A Recruiter Told Me About Software Developers From Nigeria by Qzeems: 10:35am On Oct 12, 2021 |
ClixMaster: I guess the rich will keep getting richer and the poor poorer then 1 Like |
Re: This Is What A Recruiter Told Me About Software Developers From Nigeria by Qzeems: 10:40am On Oct 12, 2021 |
Lindner: Even Nigerian companies pay better than this nowadays. Why would I suffer for Oyinbo knowing my teammate, with same responsibility as me, is getting paid x 10 of my money. Soon they'll snap out of it. Will go low on motivation and may find it hard to continue or even burnt out. In my experience, how much a companies pays is relative to how much it respects you. Don't bite yourself in the tail guys. This is your chance at breaking yourself, your parents, siblings and coming generation out of poverty. Might be a sin to lose it. |
Re: This Is What A Recruiter Told Me About Software Developers From Nigeria by Eggovic: 10:41am On Oct 12, 2021 |
Lindner:I may be wrong but for one who is new into tech and is basically looking to land his/her first job in tech don't you think diving into solidity is a little bit too steep? Also I think it requires understanding of javascript before one can go into solidity. Also most employers wand experienced guys and not a newbie working on contracts. Please correct me if I got it all wrong |
Re: This Is What A Recruiter Told Me About Software Developers From Nigeria by Qzeems: 10:48am On Oct 12, 2021 |
ClixMaster: In 2019, I was without job for around 6 months. I use all of that time to learn web development intensively. Had just rented an apartment in Lagos (before losing my last job) and was running out of funds. I got a new job about six months after the last one and paid me 150k. Please note, it was my first web dev job and 150k at that time was just around $500. I know not everyone is like me, and wouldn't rule out Allaah's Mercy, yet hunger should be what opens your eyes to the reality you have to move fast. It shouldn't kill your brain cells so much you blow your greatest chances at having a home of your home, a car and, overall, a stable life. Understandable if that's what they're offering and you're pressed, but even beating down their offer? 2 Likes |
Re: This Is What A Recruiter Told Me About Software Developers From Nigeria by Lindner: 10:50am On Oct 12, 2021 |
Eggovic: You're correct. Diving straight into Solidity may not be a good idea for a beginner. Nothwithstanding, I've seen people without any prior programming knowledge trying to learn it but they suffered ALOT. They still end up writing smart contracts and deploying it to the blockchain but they still lack that basic foundation. Because it's an emerging technology, most employers too are not particularly keen about blockchain experience, they however require strong programming experience and knowledge of fundamentals. 1 Like |
Re: This Is What A Recruiter Told Me About Software Developers From Nigeria by Eggovic: 11:55am On Oct 12, 2021 |
Lindner:Thanks for stating this. It's my end goal. Just want to be good enough with advanced js and react,get a job with it and then Jump into it. There's no crowd in that space at the moment 1 Like |
Re: This Is What A Recruiter Told Me About Software Developers From Nigeria by islamics(m): 2:11pm On Oct 12, 2021 |
BRATISLAVA:Yes it does. Na make Oga qtguru con make the link available and make he coordinate with the other Boss to move it forward. |
Re: This Is What A Recruiter Told Me About Software Developers From Nigeria by airsaylongcome: 2:51pm On Oct 12, 2021 |
So I will try my best to keep this thread active by raising points of discussion so that prospective remote IT workers can gain some insights. I must state (even though I agree it is biased) that I am not so into encouraging people from other careers to jam pack the remote IT market in Nigeria. A lot of people are now beginning to rush into this space as there is the perception that it is very lucrative. There are several other career paths other than IT that also recruit remote staff. Accounting/Bookkeeping is one of such. Same with finance. And even Pharmacy (for drug trials). If anyone feels offended by this discrimination from me, I apologise in advance. But that's just me So, often; most remote jobs advertised (at least for the US markets) are for full time employees even though you may have to work remote. Recruiters will indicate if the openings are Remote-US only or open to international applicants. Full-time remote jobs outside the US are very difficult to get (based on my experience) because your employer will have to pay tax to the Nigerian government and most US businesses aren't interested in that because it adds extra level of work for them. The other alternative is to be hired as an Independent Contractor which is where we as Nigerians have good chances of getting hired (if you are good o!) @Lindner and @qtguru what has been your experiences regarding this? Do you guys currently work FTE (Full time Employee) or Independent Contractor? 1 Like 2 Shares |
Re: This Is What A Recruiter Told Me About Software Developers From Nigeria by Lindner: 3:13pm On Oct 12, 2021 |
airsaylongcome: I've worked for three different US companies plus the one I currently work with (there's another one I currently do part time with) , it's true that it's easier for them to make you an independent contarctor. Health insurance, benefits e.t.c are typically waved. Some do full time employment though. All these is just to make it easier to recruit remotely because the process of hiring full time can be unwieldy. Whether full time or contracting, just make sure you're well paid. I don't know much about remote job possibilities for other careers but software developments, there are thousands of open positions. The question is whether you're a great fit for those positions or not. 6 Likes |
Re: This Is What A Recruiter Told Me About Software Developers From Nigeria by MirthOsas(m): 4:24pm On Oct 12, 2021 |
Being a new entrant into this field, I must say that this thread is indeed very insightful and motivating. I'm pleading that the bosses help keep the thread alive with even more insights and tips for new entrants. Just started learning JavaScript btw. 4 Likes |
Re: This Is What A Recruiter Told Me About Software Developers From Nigeria by Nobody: 4:59pm On Oct 12, 2021 |
Qzeems:Are you against the $500 I said or what? What is your point? You collected $500 for your first job, which I am not against. Like I said, I won't blame a first timer collecting $500. |
Re: This Is What A Recruiter Told Me About Software Developers From Nigeria by Nobody: 6:43pm On Oct 12, 2021 |
Lindner: What do you mean by full time employment? If you mean working full time cool, but if you mean working as an employee nah. Legally speaking you cannot be an employee of a US company as a non resident working outside of the US. You can be a consultant or an Independent Contractor. |
Re: This Is What A Recruiter Told Me About Software Developers From Nigeria by airsaylongcome: 7:37pm On Oct 12, 2021 |
Studymore123: Emphasis on legally. Legally speaking, Americans aren't allowed to work remote from outside the US. But they do. Working as digital nomads. Legally speaking, they aren't allowed to work from say, Estonia, or even Nigeria, on a tourist Visa. But they do. |
Re: This Is What A Recruiter Told Me About Software Developers From Nigeria by airsaylongcome: 7:41pm On Oct 12, 2021 |
Abeg I need recommendations for workspace for late hours. Or reliable fibre Optic Internet provider. The idiots I'm using have let me down for 4 days in a row |
Re: This Is What A Recruiter Told Me About Software Developers From Nigeria by Nobody: 8:43pm On Oct 12, 2021 |
airsaylongcome: Maybe you misunderstood me. I will make it easier for you. A U.S. company employing you remotely would become an employer in the jurisdiction where you are performing work. They likely would not want that liability and regulatory compliance cost. You therefore become a Consultant or independent contractor. To claim an employee means the company or a 3rd party company is registered in your jurisdiction and in this case Nigeria. airsaylongcome: This is will be based on where you live. If you're in PH. I can provide you with a contact info. |
Re: This Is What A Recruiter Told Me About Software Developers From Nigeria by airsaylongcome: 8:59pm On Oct 12, 2021 |
Studymore123: I agree with this. So its not illegal, it's cumbersome for the US companies and they just stay away from it. There are a few though (very tiny few) that hire direct Studymore123: I'm in Lagos. Talking about PH remote work community, what's it like? Do you guys aggregate around workspaces? |
Re: This Is What A Recruiter Told Me About Software Developers From Nigeria by Genesils(m): 11:14pm On Oct 12, 2021 |
Thank you for this eye-opening thread. |
Re: This Is What A Recruiter Told Me About Software Developers From Nigeria by Nobody: 11:16pm On Oct 12, 2021 |
airsaylongcome: I never said it's illegal. I did remote work and many companies hire remote workers. I was only pointing out why companies would use the term Independent Contractoror Consultants. You're at liberty to say you're an employee. airsaylongcome: I have workspace but don't really use it for work purposes. I use it for personal purposes. I've not really had issues with internet connection because of where I worked. The office was close to interconnect which served as an exchange and hub for mobile operators and ISPs. |
Re: This Is What A Recruiter Told Me About Software Developers From Nigeria by Springboot: 12:35am On Oct 13, 2021 |
I will respond to this when less busy. I believe I am qualified to give you the right answer to this post, I work with a tech giant and started my career in Boston Massachusetts(USA) before moving to Nigeria when we established here, I've been on a several recruitment boards both online and physical. OP your assumption is closer to false than reality. |
Re: This Is What A Recruiter Told Me About Software Developers From Nigeria by tensazangetsu20(m): 1:13am On Oct 13, 2021 |
One thing I would like to add especially for newbies. America isn't the only country with remote jobs. A lot of people just set their sights on the USA. See try everywhere. There are countries that absolutely do not send where you are from at all at all and their governments have made laws for indigenous companies to hire programmers. Europe, developed Asian countries like Japan and South Korea and even developing Asian countries like Vietnam have Millons of jobs and they don't mind hiring foreigners at all. Also places in Latin America like Mexico, Brazil, Chile and co. The list is endless. A lot of people just have their sights set on working remotely with American companies. Just expand your options. 11 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: This Is What A Recruiter Told Me About Software Developers From Nigeria by Lindner: 9:10am On Oct 13, 2021 |
Springboot: No assumptions here whatsoever. I wrote what a recruiter told me. Those are her figures and it's heart breaking. If you've recruited engineers, share your experience with Nigerians and let's see. Note that we're not talking about local recruitment here. |
Re: This Is What A Recruiter Told Me About Software Developers From Nigeria by MirthOsas(m): 9:24am On Oct 13, 2021 |
tensazangetsu20: Very true, I stumbled on a website where some tech firms in Europe would even provide services for one's relocation.. I just can't wait wait to finish JavaScript, then move on to REACT, build a solid portfolio and start applying to jobs. Baba Chi @tensazangetsu, your boy hails thee oo |
Re: This Is What A Recruiter Told Me About Software Developers From Nigeria by tensazangetsu20(m): 9:28am On Oct 13, 2021 |
MirthOsas:True especially with Portugal. Every firm there offers relocation. I was testing this theory and every job I applied for there was ready to move me to Europe but I love my current workplace so I didn't bother at least not yet. 3 Likes 2 Shares |
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