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Re: Why Are Most Pastors Children Stubborn? by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:49am On Oct 15, 2021

Dtruthspeaker:

I am not the issue, so move along!
And for record purposes only, I love being Alone, But I AM NOT ALONE!
So go your way!

You're the one quoting me and ordering me as if it's your thread or you share the same line of thought with OP! cheesy

Re: Why Are Most Pastors Children Stubborn? by Truvelisback(m): 5:54am On Oct 15, 2021

Dtruthspeaker:

He admitted this above but you missed it, so now he is playing the Evasion/Avoidance routine.

What did he admit?

Re: Why Are Most Pastors Children Stubborn? by Truvelisback(m): 6:03am On Oct 15, 2021

Dtruthspeaker:

At least, you have Admitted that jw too suffer this same issue whereas you were almost implying above that you people never have it.

SO YOU PEOPLE ARE NO DIFFERENT!

This was what i was expecting to hear from him. But he was making it sound as if they don't experience the same in JW.

Re: Why Are Most Pastors Children Stubborn? by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:07am On Oct 15, 2021

Truvelisback:
What did he admit?

He's ashamed of his faith, he wants everyone else to do the same so the mention of a group having something unique hurts his feelings so bad because he has publicly declared that God is no more in any religious gathering and he worships his own God alone.
To him all religious gatherings are useless, so hearing that JWs have something unique really hurts his arrogance badly!

Re: Why Are Most Pastors Children Stubborn? by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:12am On Oct 15, 2021

Truvelisback:
This was what i was expecting to hear from him. But he was making it sound as if don't experience the same in JW.

You asked of "Pastor's children" but JWs don't have Pastors so that's what makes your question became an issue with JWs because we believe in the Organizational arrangement, all our children are trained by the Organization so even when a man choose to leave JWs his adult children will say goodbye to him since they're not looking at him as their role model!

Re: Why Are Most Pastors Children Stubborn? by Truvelisback(m): 6:13am On Oct 15, 2021

MaxInDHouse:

Of course there's a BIG difference!

Despite the fact that JWs children chose to live outside the tenets of Jehovah's Witnesses rules, you will never find any protesting against constituted authorities {Romans 13:1-4} nor join any military services to raise weapons against anyone! Matthew 26:52

So even though they don't want to continue in what their parents taught them, their conscience will not permit them to do what they've learned and believe is wrong!

Oga, there is no difference. In as much as some of them deviate too. Stop sounding as if JW are the only true worshippers of God.

Re: Why Are Most Pastors Children Stubborn? by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:15am On Oct 15, 2021

Truvelisback:
Oga, there is no difference. In as much as some of them deviate too. Stop sounding as if JW are the only true worshippers of God.

Well that's just the bitter truth!

Re: Why Are Most Pastors Children Stubborn? by Truvelisback(m): 6:25am On Oct 15, 2021

MaxInDHouse:

You asked of "Pastor's children" but JWs don't have Pastors so that's what makes your question became an issue with JWs because we believe in the Organizational arrangement, all our children are trained by the Organization so even when a man choose to leave JWs his adult children will say goodbye to him since they're not looking at him as their role model!

When i mean pastors, i mean leaders. However, u still don't get me and still deviating from what i am saying. In every church, there are still members who do not live a godly life or who lives opposite their belief or faith. No church is exempted, not even JW.

Re: Why Are Most Pastors Children Stubborn? by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:53am On Oct 15, 2021

Truvelisback:
When i mean pastors, i mean leaders. However, u still don't get me and still deviating from what i am saying. In all ~~church~~ religion, there are still members who do not live a godly life or who lives opposite their belief or faith. No church is exempted, not even JW.

You're the one shifting the goal post! You should have said "people attending worship services but who don't want to live according to the tenets of the religion" that is a totally different case unlike children born in that religion!

If that's what you meant then know that the first century Jewish Christians also had the same issue because the congregants are not perfect humans:

Actually sexual immorality is reported among you, and such immorality as is not even found among the nations—of a man living with his father’s wife. 1Corinthians 5:1

The Christian in the Galatian congregation was actually sleeping with his step mother!

That's why we often DISFELLOWSHIPED such ones when they're caught! 1Corinthians 5:13

May you have PEACE!

Re: Why Are Most Pastors Children Stubborn? by oaroloye(m): 7:01am On Oct 15, 2021

SHALOM!

Truvelisback:

Bonsoir Nairalanders. Why are most pastors children stubborn? The females aren't exempted too. They tend to live wayward lives or live the opposite of their parents. Even in the Bible. These i have carefully noticed. I know a pastor(a nice man) whose sons goes to clubs to enjoy themselves. Even our landlady then, use to call them: The sons of Eli.

IN SPIRITUAL RELIGIONS, COINCIDENCE IS THE EXPECTED WAY OF LIFE.

https://www.fox23.com/news/broken-arrow-drive-by-shooter-pleads-guilty/655734299/

OF COURSE, YOU COULD HAVE JUST READ THE NEWS.

KENNETH ERWIN HAGIN was responsible for 95% of what I know about FAITH. The other half I learned from KENNETH COPELAND.

If anyone's kids should turn out to be The Next Step in Christian Human Evolution, it should be the HAGIN children.

That is not what happened with Kenneth Hagin's children.

I did not do any actual research into the HAGIN family, but if any of them amounted to anything Spiritually, I should have heard about it.

I stopped following them in the mid-1980s. KENNETH HAGIN Junior was Director of their RHEMA BIBLE TRAINING CENTER- but he was no Spiritual genius.

Kenneth E. Hagin was the Apex of Trinitarian Full Gospel Pentecostal Christianity.

He was responsible for most of what I knew about Christianity.

By that time, he had died as many as three times, he had been to "Heaven" with "Jesus Christ," and received a special Healing Gift that Healed anyone who heard and believed his Testimony of going to Heaven with "Jesus."

He went on to see "Jesus" as many as three more times.

[See: I BELIEVE IN VISIONS, by Kenneth E. Hagin (1972).]

HE WAS AN IDIOT.

By 1985 I had determined that the rest of Christianity did not know what they were doing, but I did not know exactly what was wrong, because I could not conceive of the corruption in Christianity starting with the Original so-called "APOSTLES."

It was relatively recently that I came into the Revelation of what was missing from Hebrew Religion, that necessitated THE GOSPEL.

Since Christianity was not even aware of this problem, It was doomed to failure From The Beginning, because It enabled THE APOSTLES to deceive the Church, so as to retain dominance over other Christians, expecting to be "still on top" should Lord Yeshua return in their lifetimes, as they falsely believed he would- at first.

There were at least 360 other Disciples Lord Yeshua approached after his Resurrection.

Circumstantial Evidence suggests that the Twelve Disciples used the Sanhedrin Council to get rid of those who still wished to preach the Original Gospel, and handed over all copies of Lord Yeshua's Teachings to them, for destruction.

IDOLIZATION OF THE APOSTLES AND PAUL IS ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY IN CREATING A COUNTERFEIT CHRISTIANITY.

Once you believe that the Apostles were FOLLOWERS OF LORD YESHUA, you can NEVER succeed in The Gospel.

THE TRUTH OF WHAT THE RELIGION OF YAHWEH GOD ENTAILS WAS REVEALED BY ONE DISCIPLE ALONE: THIS DISCIPLE HAD A MAJOR EPISTLE, WHICH WAS DISCARDED FROM THE WESTERN CANON.

This was the Disciple who brought PAUL into the Church.

The most important parts of his Document are:

. THE EPISTLE OF BARNABAS 9:1-20.

BUT why did Moses say

"YE SHALL NOT EAT
OF THE SWINE,
NEITHER THE EAGLE
NOR THE HAWK;
NOR THE CROW;
NOR ANY FISH THAT HAS NOT
A SCALE UPON HIM?"

answer, that in the spiritual sense,
he comprehended three doctrines,
that were to be gathered from thence.

2. Besides which he says to them
in the Book of Deuteronomy,

"AND I WILL GIVE MY STATUTES
UNTO THIS PEOPLE."

Wherefore it is not
the Command of God
that they should
not eat these things;
but Moses in The Spirit
spake unto them.

3. Now the sow
he forbade them to eat;
meaning thus much;

Thou shalt not join thyself
to such persons as are
like unto swine;
who whilst they live in pleasure,
forget their God;
but when any want pinches them,
then they know The LORD;
as the sow when she is full
knows not her master;
but when she is hungry
she makes a noise;
and being again fed,
is silent.

4. "NEITHER,"

says he,

"SHALT THOU
EAT THE EAGLE,
NOR THE HAWK,
NOR THE KITE,
NOR THE CROW;"

that is thou shalt not
keep company with
such kind of men as know not
how by their labour and sweat
to get themselves food:
but injuriously ravish away
the things of others;
and watch how,
to lay snares for them;
when at the same time
they appear to live
in perfect innocence.

5. [So these birds alone
seek not
food for themselves, but]
sitting idle seek how
they may eat of the flesh
others have provided;
being destructive
through their wickedness.

6. "NEITHER,"

says HE,

"SHALT THOU EAT THE LAMPREY,
NOR THE POLYPUS,
NOR THE CUTTLE-FISH;"

That is, thou shalt not
be like such men,
by using to converse with them;
who are altogether wicked
and adjudged to death.
For so those Fishes
are alone accursed,
and wallow in the mire,
nor swim as other fishes,
but tumble in the dirt
at the bottom of the deep.

7. "BUT"

He adds,

"NEITHER SHALT THOU
EAT OF THE HARE."

To what end?—To signify
this to us;

"THOU SHALT NOT
BE AN ADULTERER;
NOR LIKEN THYSELF
TO SUCH PERSONS."

For the Hare every year
multiplies the places
of its conception;
and so many years as it lives,
so many it has.

[j]8. "NEITHER SHALT THOU
EAT OF THE HYENA;"[/i]

That is, again,
be not an Adulterer,
nor a corruptor of others;
neither be like to such.
And wherefore so?

Because that creature
every year changes its kind,
and is sometimes male
and sometimes female.

9. For which cause
also he justly hated the Weasel;
to the end that they should
not be like such persons
who with their mouths
commit wickedness
by reason of their uncleanness;
nor join themselves
with those impure women,
who with their mouths
commit wickedness.
Because that animal
conceives with its mouth.

10. Moses, therefore,
speaking as concerning meats,
delivered indeed
three great precepts to them
in the spiritual signification
of those commands.
But they according to
the desires of the flesh,
understood him as if
he had only meant it of meats.

11. And therefore David
took aright
The Knowledge of
His threefold Command,
saying in like manner.

12. "BLESSED IS THE MAN
THAT HATH NOT WALKED
IN THE COUNSEL
OF THE UNGODLY;"

as the Fishes before mentioned
in the bottom of the deep in Darkness.

13. "NOR STOOD
IN THE WAY OF SINNERS,"

as they who seem
to fear The LORD,
but yet Sin,
as the Sow.

14. "AND HATH NOT SAT
IN THE SEAT
OF THE SCORNERS;"

as those Birds who sit
and watch that they may devour.

15. Here you have The Law
concerning meat
perfectly set forth,
and according to
The True Knowledge of it.

16. "BUT,"

says Moses,

"YE SHALL EAT ALL
THAT DIVIDETH THE HOOF,
AND CHEWETH THE CUD."

Signifying thereby
such an one as
having taken his food,
knows Him that nourisheth him;
and resting upon Him,
rejoiceth in Him.

17. And in this he spake well,
having respect
to The Commandment.
What, therefore, is it that he says?
—That we should hold fast to them
that fear The Lord;
with those who Meditate
on The Command of the Word
which they have received
in their heart;
with those that declare
The Righteous Judgments
of The LORD,
and keep His Commandments;

18. In short, with those
who know that to Meditate
is a work of pleasure,
and therefore exercise themselves in
the Word of The LORD.

19. But why might they eat
those that clave the hoof?
—Because the Righteous liveth
in this present World;
but his expectation is fixed
upon the other.
See, Brethren,
how admirably Moses
commanded these things.

20. But how should we
thus know all this,
and understand it?
We, therefore,
understanding aright
The Commandments,
speak as The LORD
would have us.
Wherefore He has
circumcised our ears
and our hearts,
that we might
Know these Things.

. EPISTLE OF BARNABAS 10:11-12.

11. And Moses again says about food,

"AND EAT EVERY THING
CLOVEN-FOOTED AND
THAT DRAWETH UP [THE CUD.]"

Why says he so ?
Because when receiving nourishment
it knows Him who nourishes it,
and resting upon Him
it seems to be made glad.
He spake well,
looking to the Commandment.
What then does he mean?
That we should join ourselves
to those who fear the Lord,
to those who meditate in their heart
on the explanation of the Word
which they have received,
to those who preach the Judgments
of the Lord and observe them,
to those who know
that Meditation is a Work of Gladness,
and to those who
ruminate on The Word of the Lord.
And why the clovenfooted?
Because the Just man
both walks in this World,
and also looks for the Holy Age.
Look how well Moses made his Laws.
12. But how could
they [the Jews] perceive
or understand these things ?
But we,
rightly understanding the Commands,
rightly preach as the Lord wished.
For this purpose he circumcised
our ears and hearts,
that we might understand these things.

THIS ONE DOCTRINE SHOULD HAVE REDEEMED WESTERN CHRISTIANITY- HAD THE EPISTLE OF BARNABAS BEEN INCLUDED IN THE WESTERN BIBLE.

. GENESIS 1:26-28.

26. And God Said,

"Let us make Man in Our Image,
after Our Likeness:
and let them have Dominion
over the Fish of the Sea,
and over the Fowl of the Air,
and over the Cattle,
and over all the Earth,
and over every creeping thing
that creepeth upon the Earth."

27. So God created Man
in His Own Image,
in The Image of God created He him;
male and female created He them.
28. And God Blessed them,
and God Said unto them,

"Be fruitful, and multiply,
and replenish the Earth,
and subdue It:
and have Dominion
over the Fish of the Sea,
and over the Fowl of the Air,
and over every Living Thing
that moveth upon the Earth."

GOD CREATED MAN TO HAVE DOMINION OVER ALL THE EARTH AND ALL OF ITS CREATURES- THAT INCLUDES MANKINF OURSELVES.

. JOB 28:28.

28. "And unto Man He Said,

'BEHOLD,
THE FEAR OF THE LORD,
THAT IS WISDOM;
AND TO DEPART FROM EVIL,
IS UNDERSTANDING.' "

. PSALM 111:10.

10. The Fear of The LORD
is The Beginning of Wisdom:
a Good Understanding
have all they
that do His Commandments:
His Praise endureth for ever.

. PROVERBS 9:10.

10. The Fear of The LORD
is The Beginning of Wisdom:
and The Knowledge of
The Holy is Understanding.

. ISAIAH 55:7-9.

7. Let the Wicked
forsake his Way,
and the Unrighteous Man
his Thoughts:
and let him return
unto The LORD,
and He will have Mercy
upon him;
and to our God,
for He will abundantly pardon.

8. "FOR MY THOUGHTS
(ARE) NOT YOUR THOUGHTS,
NEITHER ARE YOUR WAYS
MY WAYS," saith The LORD.
9. "FOR (AS) THE HEAVENS
ARE HIGHER
THAN THE EARTH,
SO ARE MY WAYS
HIGHER THAN YOUR WAYS,
AND MY THOUGHTS
THAN YOUR THOUGHTS.' "

. 2^nd CHRONICLES 16:9.

9. "For The Eyes of The LORD
run to and fro throughout
the whole Earth,
to show Himself strong
on behalf of those
whose heart
is perfect toward Him.
Herein thou hast done foolishly:
therefore from henceforth
thou shalt have wars.”

. AMOS 3:3.

3. Can two walk together,
except they be agreed?"

. ZECHARIAH 4:10.

10. For who hath despised
The Day of Small Things?
For they shall rejoice,
and shall see the plummet
in the hand of Zerubbabel
with those seven;
they are The Eyes of The LORD,
Which run to and fro
through the whole Earth.

TO EXERCISE THIS DOMINION INVOLVES THE ACQUISITION OF SEVEN SPIRITUAL IMPRINTS- THE LIVING COPIES OF GOD'S PERSONALITY, KNOWLEDGE, AND POWERS.

His Spirits.

A NORMAL HEBREW Y'SRAELITE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE TUTORED BY THEIR PARENTS IN RECEIVING THESE SEVEN ANOINTINGS, BETWEEN THE AGES OF THIRTEEN THROUGH TWENTY YEARS. [/i]

Daughters who failed- without committing some Capital Sin- should have been sold into Slavery, or married-off.

. EXODUS 21:1-11.

"Now these are the Judgments
Which thou shalt set before them.

2. "If thou buy
an Hebrew servant,
six years He shall serve:
and in the seventh
he shall go out free for nothing.
3. "If he came in by himself,
he shall go out by himself:
if He were married,
then his wife
shall go out with him.
4. "If his master have
given him a wife,
and she have born
him sons or daughters;
the wife and her children
shall be her master's,
and He shall go out by himself.
5. "And if the servant
shall plainly say,

[i]"I LOVE MY MASTER,
MY WIFE, AND MY CHILDREN;
I WILL NOT GO OUT FREE:"

6. "Then his master
shall bring him
unto the judges;
he shall also bring him
to the door
or unto the door post;
and his master
shall bore his ear
through with an aul;
and He shall serve him for ever.
7. "And if a man sell his daughter
to be a maidservant,
she shall not go out
as the menservants do.
8. "If she please not her master,
who hath betrothed her
to himself,
then shall he let her be redeemed:
to sell her
unto a strange nation
he shall have no power,
seeing He hath
dealt deceitfully with her.
9. "And if He have
betrothed her unto his son,
he shall deal with her
after the manner of daughters.
10. "If he take him another wife
her food, her raiment,
and her duty of marriage,
shall he not diminish.
11. "And if he do not
these three unto her,
then shall she go out free
without money."

THIS WOULD BE A SECOND CHANCE TO SPEND SEVEN YEARS ACQUIRING THE SEVEN SPIRITS OF GOD.

But the BOYS were given no such opportunity.

. DEUTERONOMY 19:18-21.

18. If a man have
a stubborn and rebellious son,
which will not obey
the voice of his father,
or the voice of his mother,
and that,
when they have chastened him,
will not hearken unto them:
19. Then shall his father
and his mother
lay hold on him,
and bring him out unto
the Elders of his city,
and unto the gate of his place;
20. And they shall say
unto the Elders of his city,

"THIS OUR SON
IS STUBBORN AND REBELLIOUS,
HE WILL NOT OBEY OUR VOICE;
HE IS A GLUTTON,
AND A DRUNKARD."

21. And all the men of his city
shall stone him with stones,
that he die:
so shalt thou put Evil away
from among you;
and all Israel shall hear,
and fear.

WHAT MOSES WAS TALKING ABOUT HERE WAS FAILING TO ATTAIN SELF-CONTROL BY ACQUIRING THE SEVEN SPIRITS OF GOD.

. EXODUS 20:1-7.

AND God Spake
all these Words,
Saying,

2. "I am The LORD thy God,
Which have brought thee
out of The Land of Egypt,
out of The House of Bondage.
3. "Thou shalt have
no other gods before Me.

4. "Thou shalt not
make unto thee
any graven image,
or any likeness of any thing
that is in Heaven above,
or that is in the Earth beneath,
or that is in the Water
under the Earth.
5. "Thou shalt not
bow down thyself to them,
nor serve them:
for I the LORD thy God
am a jealous God,
visiting the iniquity
of the Fathers
upon the Children
unto the Third
and Fourth Generation
of them that hate Me;
6. "And shewing Mercy
unto thousands of them
that love Me,
and keep My Commandments.

7. "Thou shalt not
take The Name
of the LORD thy God in vain;
for the LORD will not
hold him guiltless
that taketh His Name
in vain."

ALL HUMANS BORN ARE ACCOUNTABLE TO GOD FOR THE INIQUITIES OF THEIR PARENTS, THEIR GRANDPARENTS, AND THEIR GREAT-GRANDPARENTS.

. NUMBERS 15:27-31.

27. "And if any man Sin
through Ignorance,
then he shall bring
a She Goat of the first year
for a Sin Offering.
28. "And the Priest
shall make an Atonement
for the Soul
that Sinneth Ignorantly,
when he Sinneth
by Ignorance
before The LORD,
to make an Atonement
for him,
and it shall be
forgiven him.
29. " Ye shall have one Law
for him that Sinneth Ignorantly
(both for) him
that is born
among the Children of Israel,
and for the Stranger
that sojourneth
among them.
30. "But the Soul
that doeth
(ought) presumptuously,
(whether he be)
born in the land,
or a Stranger,
the same reproacheth
The LORD;
and that Soul
shall be cut off
from among his people.
31. "Because he hath
despised The Word
of The LORD,
and hath broken
His Commandment,
that Soul
shall utterly be cut off;
his Iniquity
(shall be) upon him."

ACCIRDING TO THE LAW OF MOSES, ADULT SINNERS COULD NOT BE TOLERATED AS PART OF Y'SRAELITE SOCIETY

WOMEN could be controlled by SlaveMasters or Husband's, but MEN could not, and should have to be executed.

CHRISTIANS HAVE NEVER BEEN TAUGHT THIS LEVEL OF DISCIPLINE- THEREFORE CORRUPTION WAS INEVITABLE.

. JOHN 15:1-8.

"I AM The True Vine,
and my Father is The Husbandman.
2. "Every branch in me
that beareth not Fruit
He taketh away:
and every branch
that beareth Fruit,
He purgeth it,
that it may bring forth
more Fruit.
3. "Now ye are clean
through the Word
Which I have Spoken
unto you.
4. "Abide in me,
and I in you.
As the branch cannot
bear fruit of itself,
except it abide in the vine;
no more can ye,
except ye abide in me.
5. "I am the Vine,
ye are the Branches:

'HE THAT ABIDETH IN ME
AND I IN HIM,
THE SAME BRINGETH FORTH
MUCH FRUIT:'

for without me
ye can do Nothing.
6. "If a man abide not in me,
he is cast forth as a branch,
and is withered;
and men gather them,
and cast them into the Fire,
and they are burned.
7. "If ye abide in me,
and my Words abide in you,
ye shall ask what ye will,
and it shall be done unto you.
8. "Herein is
my Father Glorified,

'THAT YE BEAR
MUCH FRUIT.'

so shall ye be my Disciples."

THE OYINBOS HAVE A SAYING: "NO MAN IS A HERO TO HIS BUTLER."

That is to say, the manservant of an acclaimed hero sees the unglamorous, even ugly side of his life that the public do not see.

HOW MUCH MORE THE CHILDREN OF PARENTS WHO FAILED TO MANIFEST GOD TO THEM.

Someone told KENNETH E. HAGIN that he found it hard to believe that he had had the experiences he had had (Rising from the Dead, Ascending to Heaven, seeing Jesus, etc.) BECAUSE HE KNEW THAT HE STILL READ "THE FUNNIES" IN THE NEWSPAPERS!

Children see more serious Red Flags than those, telling them that their Parents' Religion is not to be taken as seriously as they make out.

TAKING BLAKE HAGIN AS AN EXAMPLE: I REMEMBER A SERMON OF HIS GREAT-GRANDFATHER, WHERE HE MENTIONED BEING AT THE TOWN "BROKEN ARROW."

KENNETH E. HAGIN then digressed, and remarked that there was also a town called "BROKEN BOW," and another called "NO WATER."

He then joked that no wonder the Indians lost the War, "because they had a "BROWKEN ARRAH, BROWKEN BOW, an' NAW WARRAH!"

That got a laugh from the Oyinbo audience- many of whom were Descendants of Indian-killers.

HOW THEN COULD HIS CHILDREN UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF RIGHTEOUSNESS?

Re: Why Are Most Pastors Children Stubborn? by Truvelisback(m): 7:24am On Oct 15, 2021

MaxInDHouse:

He's ashamed of his faith, he wants everyone else to do the same so the mention of a group having something unique hurts his feelings so bad because he has publicly declared that God is no more in any religious gathering and he worships his own God alone.
To him all religious gatherings are useless, so hearing that JWs have something unique really hurts his arrogance badly!

JW, are not exempted. Some of their children too are stubborn and live contrary to their faith too.

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Re: Why Are Most Pastors Children Stubborn? by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:45am On Oct 15, 2021

Truvelisback:
JW, are not exempted. Some of their children too are stubborn and live contrary to their faith too.

You're entitled to your own opinion!

Re: Why Are Most Pastors Children Stubborn? by Lostchild(m): 9:46am On Oct 15, 2021

Truvelisback:
Bonsoir Nairalanders. Why are most pastors children stubborn? The females aren't exempted too. They tend to live wayward lives or live the opposite of their parents. Even in the Bible. These i have carefully noticed. I know a pastor(a nice man) whose sons goes to clubs to enjoy themselves. Even our landlady then, use to call them: The sons of Eli.

There are 3 reasons for it.

1. God said, when a pastor eat church money.

2. The free will of choice.

3. Demonic influence. When a pastor failed to deal with his family foundation idols before having children.

When you have not dealt with your demon and you start having children, the battles multiplies. It become more difficult to overcome.

Re: Why Are Most Pastors Children Stubborn? by Truvelisback(m): 9:49am On Oct 15, 2021

MaxInDHouse:
Well that's just the bitter truth!

A bitter lie.

Re: Why Are Most Pastors Children Stubborn? by Truvelisback(m): 10:02am On Oct 15, 2021

Lostchild:

There are 3 reasons for it.

1. God said, when a pastor eat church money.

2. The free will of choice.

3. Demonic influence. When a pastor failed to deal with his family foundation idols before having children.

When you have not dealt with your demon and you start having children, the battles multiplies. It become more difficult to overcome.

U are right, especially abt the freewill. What do u mean by pastors eating church money? What kind of money?

Re: Why Are Most Pastors Children Stubborn? by Lostchild(m): 10:10am On Oct 15, 2021

Truvelisback:
U are right, especially abt the freewill. What do u mean by pastors eating church money? What kind of money?

Church funds does not belong to pastors, but some pastors will used it or used from it like their personal income.

This release a curse that will make pastors children to live wayward life and backward

Re: Why Are Most Pastors Children Stubborn? by MaxInDHouse(m): 12:00pm On Oct 15, 2021

Truvelisback:
A bitter lie.

I have said my own just as my Master said it's left for others to speak out if they have something unique or it's just the common thing!

Re: Why Are Most Pastors Children Stubborn? by SSIPON(m): 1:04pm On Oct 15, 2021

MaxInDHouse:

They failed to allow God do the training of the children but relied on their own understanding so when the children grew up they realized how hypocritical their parents are hence it's either they also become skillful in disguising as men of God or live the way they feel and damn whoever challenges them because they already know that their parents are deceiving people!

Translation:
They failed to indoctrinate their child properly.

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Re: Why Are Most Pastors Children Stubborn? by MaxInDHouse(m): 1:46pm On Oct 15, 2021

SSIPON:

Translation:
They failed to indoctrinate their child properly.

Excellent!

Re: Why Are Most Pastors Children Stubborn? by ichuka(m): 10:35pm On Oct 15, 2021

Truvelisback:
What msg are u trying to pass?

Egypt typifies the world that's wholly corrupt, while Moses stands as Gods man to bring/deliver all his household from Egypt.
Remember he left nothing in Egypt not even a hoof( horses she)was left.Ex10:26.
A true man of God has to demand and retrieve ALL from Egypt,
For even a HOOF icould be a standing ground by which Satan can accuse and destroy his household.

Re: Why Are Most Pastors Children Stubborn? by Truvelisback(m): 10:40pm On Oct 15, 2021

ichuka:

Egypt typifies the world that's wholly corrupt, while Moses stands as Gods man to bring/deliver all his household from Egypt.
Remember he left nothing in Egypt not even a hoof( horses she)was left.Ex10:26.
A true man of God has to demand and retrieve ALL Egypt,
For even a HOOF icould be a standing ground by which Satan can accuse and destroy his household.

Meaning?

Re: Why Are Most Pastors Children Stubborn? by ichuka(m): 10:43pm On Oct 15, 2021

Truvelisback:
Meaning?

Dude
What do u mean by the word meaning?

Re: Why Are Most Pastors Children Stubborn? by Truvelisback(m): 10:49pm On Oct 15, 2021

ichuka:
Dude What do u mean by the word meaning?

I didn't get ur msg clearly.

Re: Why Are Most Pastors Children Stubborn? by ichuka(m): 11:04pm On Oct 15, 2021

ichuka:

Dude
What do u mean by the word meaning?

Sorry to ask dude
Are u a Christian?

Re: Why Are Most Pastors Children Stubborn? by MightySparrow: 1:44am On Oct 16, 2021

Truvelisback:
So, what makes JW different from other churches u just condemned, since some of their children behaves the same way?

Don't mind MaximumSide his mind, as other hypocritical JWs, is conditioned to see no good in others. I live among JWs, I know a bit of them.

Anyways, the observation of the OP is true. As pointed out by someone up in the thread. Even, Samuel' s children are not left out nor two sons of Moses. The Apostles, except Paul had families, little is known about them.

These days, pastors are trying to make their children interestedd in ministerial work unlike before, when the father, pastor, would leave their children and wives to go preaching. I know some ministries that started schools primarily for their pastors' children to correct mistakes made by other men of God. The like of MaxInDHouse criticize them.
Find time to read God's Generals, or people like Smith Wiggles worth, John Wesley, etc... These people were so engrossed in the work and neglected their families.
The same still goes on today, but, I pray God will continue to help and give wisdom to the pastors

I think it is the devil at work to rubbish their fathers' labour in the vineyard.

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Re: Why Are Most Pastors Children Stubborn? by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:02am On Oct 16, 2021

MightySparrow:

Don't mind MaximumSide his mind, as other hypocritical JWs, is conditioned to see no good in others. I live among JWs, I know a bit of them. Anyways, the observation of the OP is true. As pointed out by someone up in the thread. Even, Samuel' s children are not left out nor two sons of Moses. The Apostles, except Paul had families, little is known about them. These days, pastors are trying to make their children interestedd in ministerial work unlike before, when the father, pastor, would leave their children and wives to go preaching. I know some ministries that started schools primarily for their pastors' children to correct mistakes made by other men of God. The like of MaxInDHouse criticize them.
Find time to read God's Generals, or people like Smith Wiggles worth, John Wesley, etc... These people were so engrossed in the work and neglected their families.
The same still goes on today, but, I pray God will continue to help and give wisdom to the pastors I think it is the devil at work to rubbish their fathers' labour in the vineyard.

The point i'm making is simple, only JWs have a global family where the children can learn from good examples of their mates doing great in our faith.
Oyedepo, Adeboye, Kumuyi and Olukoya can only watch helplessly when their children turn against their teachings and since these men don't have a solid proof that their religion is authentic their children are exposed to interfaith which will eventually makes the child bold enough to confront his father.
Unlike JWs once anyone is going against the rules of the global family he/she is no more a Christian. That is what makes the difference! wink

Re: Why Are Most Pastors Children Stubborn? by oaroloye(m): 5:06pm On Oct 17, 2021

MISHIGAS!

Lostchild:

There are 3 reasons for it.

1. God said, when a pastor eat church money.

2. The free will of choice.

3. Demonic influence. When a pastor failed to deal with his family foundation idols before having children.

When you have not dealt with your demon and you start having children, the battles multiplies. It become more difficult to overcome.

IT WOULD BE HONEST TO SAY THAT YOU CAN ONLY THINK OF THREE REASONS.

To say that there are only three implies that you have eliminated the possibility of other causes.

The greatest Pentecostal Teacher of the 20^th Century was KENNETH E. HAGIN. His great-grandson, BLAKE KENNETH HAGIN was convicted for participation in ATTEMPTED MURDER.

He pled GUILTY.

KENNETH ERWIN HAGIN testified of being converted at the literal GATE OF HELL: he DIED and was Raised from the Dead by the prayers of his devout mother and grandmother.

He saw "JESUS CHRIST," went to "HEAVEN" with him, and received an unprecedented Healing Gift that would only Heal those who heard and believed his Testimony of going to Heaven. He saw "Jesus Christ" on multiple occasions, and spoke with him, conversationally.

Thousands into millions testified of being Healed by him, if not personally, then through his Teachings on Faith- including myself.

Since all of his Teachings checked out Biblically, it took a long time for me to identify what was wrong with his ministry.

His son, KENNETH HAGIN JUNIOR, personally testified of meeting people who had come from across the country, to be prayed for by KENNETH ERWIN HAGIN.

He told them that he was not available, but someone else could equally pray for them. They replied (it is about 37 years since I read this in their own publication- I do not at this time recall which one,) that they had "come to be prayed for by the pinch-hitter." (I specifically remember him saying that they used that phrase. I believe it derives from their national sport: Baseball.)

Kenneth Hagin Junior, a grown adult by this time, replied to the effect that everyone there was a "pinch-hitter," and could equally pray for them.

They replied that, no, they wanted to be prayed for by KENNETH E. HAGIN, and no one else.

KENNETH HAGIN JUNIOR SAID THAT HE REPLIED: "OK- DIE, THEN!" In relating this, he said: "IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE THAT I SAID THAT, THEN YOU DON'T KNOW ME!"

This was the only other example of outright arrogance I ever heard of from the KENNETH HAGIN Ministry or family.

At the time, I agreed with his point-of-view: that the visitors ought to trust that ANY Christian of the Kenneth Hagin Ministries was as close to God as KENNETH HAGIN himself.

That is what Kenneth Hagin taught- because that is what PAUL taught.

I always felt that something was wrong with Kenneth Hagin Junior's response, but could not find any specific unrighteousness in what he said.

IT WAS SOME TIME LATER THAT I LEARNED, FROM THEIR COHORT, KENNETH COPELAND, THAT ORAL ROBERTS, T.L. OSBORN, AND KENNETH HAGIN'S PRAYERS AND HEALING TOUCHES WERE NOT 100% RELIABLE.

He testified of meeting a silly-sounding woman, who boasted of having been prayed for by all these great Healers, and now came to see what KENNETH COPELAND could do.

Up until that time, I had been under the impression that when THESE people laid hands on the sick, they were ALWAYS Healed. That was how they had always portrayed themselves in every tape and book I had seen and heard.

Thinking back, I see how they carefully avoided claiming to be 100% reliable Healers, because that had criminal legal implications. One of their cabal had been sued because they prayed for a sick child, who later died. The Prosecutor attempted to show that they had promised a service that was not rendered.

It only now struck me, that in light of his claim to an infallible Special Anointing, visitors had every right to demand to be prayed for by KENNETH E. HAGIN and no one else. THEIR LIVES DEPENDED ON IT.

It was the donations of the people that made their ministry possible. People were paying their Tithes into the Ministry- while getting Tax-Deductions- because Kenneth Hagin did not teach that that negated their Spiritual Blessing. I had to find that out from DOCTOR GENE SCOTT on WWCR, many years after I left Organized ~~Crime~~ erm... Christianity.

I had had no idea that that was going on.

It took much longer to find gleeful news reports of Sicknesses in the Hagin family and circle which his Unique Healing Powers did not Heal.

In 2015, it came to light that KENNETH COPELAND was a ROMAN CATHOLIC UNDERCOVER AGENT the whole time.

The Anglican Agent who outed him got him and other Secret Agents to pose with the Pope, and exulted: "NOW WE ARE NO MORE PROTESTANTS!" Two weeks later, that agent, TONY PALMER, was DEAD. Motorcycle "accident."

OYINBO CHRISTIANITY IS A DEADLY BUSINESS.

The children see all these things growing up, and know that there is little or nothing in That Way that they want to lay down their lives for- AT THAT TIME.

A researcher into the BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN phenomenon remarked on the negative effect of people testifying to youngsters that they had BOOZED, DRUGGED, VIOLENCED, and SEXED ALL THEY WANTED- then "COME BACK TO JESUS" - and been made a ROCK STAR.

He said that he could see some of these youngsters thinking, that WHY COULDN'T THEY ALSO go and enjoy the World, then afterwards, "GIVE THEIR HEART TO JESUS?"

The reason is that IT REALLY DOESN'T WORK! I have NEVER seen any example of an ATHEIST converting to FULL GOSPEL CHRISTIANITY: it is always EVANGELICAL Christianity- which opposes PENTECOSTALISM as "FANATICAL DELUSION."

DAN BARKER was an ASSEMBLIES OF GOD Pentecostal Minister for NINETEEN YEARS- and then DENOUNCED Christianity as a FRAUD, coming out as an ATHEIST.

He declares that there is NO EVIDENCE OF GOD'S EXISTENCE. He said that God speaking through PROPHETS, instead of speaking to Sinners IN PERSON us EVIDENCE that He DOES NOT EXIST.

For a FULL GOSPEL Minister to say this- knowing of fellow Ministers who testified of SEEING JESUS- ORAL ROBERTS, T.L. OSBORN, KENNETH HAGIN, ROLAND S. BUCK, ROBERTS S. LIARDON, and others, means that he was an ATHEIST UNDERCOVER AGENT the whole time.

oaroloye:
SHALOM!

The only Teaching I needed in THE TEACHINGS OF DON JUAN: A YAQUI WAY OF LIFE, by Carlos Castaneda' is the Doctrine of THE FOUR ENEMIES OF A MAN OF KNOWLEDGE.

There are Four Conceptual Entities which must be defeated, before MAN OF KNOWLEDGE status can be attained.

DEFEAT by any of these Enemies is FINAL.

Once it has occurred, one will NEVER attain MAN OF KNOWLEDGE status.

But so too is VICTORY: if you defeat an ENEMY OF A MAN OF KNOWLEDGE ONCE, it can NEVER come back to attack you again.

These Enemies are indidious- they never look like Enemies; they look like FRIENDS- looking out for your best interests.

THE FOUR ENEMIES OF A MAN OF KNOWLEDGE are:

4. OLD AGE: When you have vanquished all the other Foes, and won all of the Victories, this Enemy whispers in your ear:

"RELAX! You have WON! Now, take a BREAK! You have EARNED it! You DESERVE it! You have FINISHED the Course!"

If you succumb to this Temptation, all of your hard-earned Power will dwindle away to nothing!

Your WINS will become WORTHLESS. You will DIE a shrivelled, pathetic, has-been of a thing.

3. POWER: When you have learned to NARROW YOUR FOCUS to only the things that you NEED, you will find that THE POWER that you sought IS NOW YOURS. You can DO AND UNDO, you can MAKE LAWS, impose BARRIERS, break WALLS- bring ANYTHING you can IMAGINE into REALITY.

You can get so caught up in the Oh-So-Wonderful things you CAN now do, that you FORGET that you are NOT doing what you are SUPPOSED to be doing. What you are doing is WASTING Time a d Wasting Power. Your INVINCIBILITY and INVULNERABILITY are mere VIEWPOINTS and ILUSIONS. These things are available, but they are not secured, until they have been secured.

2. CLARITY: Once FEAR has been overcome, your Mind opens to an ever-expanding vista! You can now THINK THE HITHERTO UNTHINKABLE. You can analize Problems, Situations, Processes, and Dark Sayings. You can do find the Necessary Steps, and Streamline Methods. You can correct EVERYBODY- even GOD: CLARITY distracts you from correcting YOURSELF.

You have to REALIZE that the INCREASE in KNOWLEDGE does not necessarily mean that you are ADVANCING.

You could be meandering in CIRCLES.

You could even be doing the "BABYLON MARCH" Bob Marley sang about.

1. FEAR: This Enemy warns you of possible Defeat from Known Sources; if Sources are Unknown- it will make some up for you! FEAR will tell you all of the Reasons why what you are considering or trying will not work. If it runs out of REASONS, it will use INSANITIES.

THERE ARE ENORMOUS SCHOOLS, RELIGIONS, AND OPERATIONS WITH VAST ARRAYS OF DATA AND ACCOMPLISHMENTS- BUT THEY ARE PARALYZED BY FEAR. THEY SOUND SO POMPOUS AND ALL-KNOWING: ACTUALLY, THEY ARE FRIGHTENED CHILDREN MASQUERADING AS ADULTS.

They are all over the place!

THERE ARE ONLY FOUR CATEGORIES OR ROUTES OF FAILURE:

oaroloye:

THE FOUR SPIRITUAL CATEGORIES ENERGY EACH HAVE THEIR OWN SIGNATURE MODE OF PERCEPTION:

. REVELATION 22:11-12.

11. "He that is UNJUST,
let him be Unjust still:
and he which is FILTHY,
let him be Filthy still:
and he that is RIGHTEOUS,
let him be Righteous still:
and he that is HOLY,
let him be Holy still.
12. "And, behold,
I come quickly;
and my Reward is with me,
to give every man According
as his Work shall be."

. MATTHEW 13:1-23.

THE same day went Jesus out of the house,
and sat by the sea side.
2. And great multitudes
were gathered together
unto him,
so that he went into a ship,
and sat;
and the whole multitude
stood on the shore.
3. And he Spake many things
unto them in Parables,
Saying,

"Behold, a sower
went forth to sow;
4. "And when he sowed,
some seeds
fell by the way side,
and the fowls came
and devoured them up:
5. "Some fell
upon stony places,
where they had
not much earth:
and forthwith they sprung up,
because they had
no deepness of earth:
6. "And when
the Sun was up,
they were scorched;
and because they had
no root,
they withered away.
7. "And some fell
among thorns;
and the thorns sprung up,
and choked them:
8. "But other fell
into good ground,
and brought forth fruit,
some an hundredfold,
some sixtyfold,
some thirtyfold.
9. "Who hath ears to hear,
let him hear."

10. And the Disciples came,
and said unto him,

"Why speakest thou
unto them in Parables?"

11. He answered and Said
unto them,

"Because it is given unto you
to know The Mysteries
of The Kingdom of Heaven,
but to them it is not given.
12. "For whosoever hath,
to him shall be given,
and he shall have
more abundance:
but whosoever hath not,
from him shall be taken away
even that he hath.
13. "Therefore Speak I
to them in Parables:

'BECAUSE THEY SEEING
SEE NOT;
AND HEARING
THEY HEAR NOT,
NEITHER DO THEY
UNDERSTAND.'

14. "And in them is fulfilled
the Prophecy of Esaias,
which saith,

'BY HEARING YE SHALL HEAR,
AND SHALL NOT UNDERSTAND;
AND SEEING YE SHALL SEE,
AND SHALL NOT PERCEIVE:
15. 'FOR THIS PEOPLE'S HEART
IS WAXED GROSS,
AND THEIR EARS
ARE DULL OF HEARING,
AND THEIR EYES
THEY HAVE CLOSED;
LEST AT ANY TIME
THEY SHOULD SEE WITH THEIR EYES
AND HEAR WITH THEIR EARS,
AND SHOULD UNDERSTAND
WITH THEIR HEART,
AND SHOULD BE CONVERTED,
AND I SHOULD HEAL THEM.'

16. "But Blessed
are your eyes,
for they see:
and your ears,
for they hear.
17. "For verily I Say unto you,

'THAT MANY PROPHETS
AND RIGHTEOUS MEN
HAVE DESIRED TO SEE
THOSE THINGS
WHICH YE SEE,
AND HAVE NOT SEEN THEM;
AND TO HEAR THOSE THINGS
WHICH YE HEAR,
AND HAVE NOT HEARD THEM.'

18. "Hear ye therefore
The Parable of the Sower.

19. 'WHEN ANY ONE HEARETH
THE WORD OF THE KINGDOM,
AND UNDERSTANDETH IT NOT,
THEN COMETH
THE WICKED ONE,
AND CATCHETH AWAY
THAT WHICH WAS SOWN IN HIS HEART.
THIS IS HE WHICH
RECEIVED SEED
BY THE WAY SIDE.

20. 'BUT HE THAT
RECEIVED THE SEED
INTO STONY PLACES,
THE SAME IS HE
THAT HEARETH THE WORD,
AND ANON WITH JOY
RECEIVETH IT;
21. 'YET HATH HE NOT
ROOT IN HIMSELF,
BUT DURETH FOR A WHILE:
FOR WHEN TRIBULATION OR PERSECUTION
ARISETH BECAUSE OF THE WORD,
BY AND BY HE IS OFFENDED.

22. 'HE ALSO THAT RECEIVED
SEED AMONG THE THORNS
IS HE THAT HEARETH THE WORD;
AND THE CARE OF THIS WORLD,
AND THE DECEITFULNESS OF RICHES,
CHOKE THE WORD,
AND HE BECOMETH UNFRUITFUL.

23. 'BUT HE THAT RECEIVED SEED
INTO THE GOOD GROUND
IS HE THAT HEARETH THE WORD,
AND UNDERSTANDETH IT;
WHICH ALSO BEARETH FRUIT,
AND BRINGETH FORTH,
SOME AN HUNDREDFOLD,
SOME SIXTY, SOME THIRTY.' "

. THE FOUR LEVELS OF PERCEPTION.

4. DIFFERENTIATION: The sane and intelligent ability to perceive the differences between similar things.

3. ASSOCIATION: The sane and intelligent ability to perceive the similarities between different things.

2. IDENTIFICATION: The insane and stupid inability to perceive the differences between different things.

1. DISSOCIATION: The insane and stupid inability to perceive the similarities between similar things.

0. DEATH: The Complete Failure of the ability to perceive anything.

[See: THE FUNDAMENTALS OF THOUGHT, by L. Ron Hubbard.]

BIBLICAL MEDITATION IS EXECUTED BY TAKING A "MOUTHFUL" OF SCRIPTURE AND RECITING IT TO ONESELF REPEATEDLY- HUNDREDS INTO THOUSANDS OF TIMES PER DAY.

MaxInDHouse:

The point i'm making is simple, only JWs have a global family where the children can learn from good examples of their mates doing great in our faith.
Oyedepo, Adeboye, Kumuyi and Olukoya can only watch helplessly when their children turn against their teachings and since these men don't have a solid proof that their religion is authentic their children are exposed to interfaith which will eventually makes the child bold enough to confront his father.
Unlike JWs once anyone is going against the rules of the global family he/she is no more a Christian. That is what makes the difference!

ANY CHRISTIAN WHO DENOUNCES HOLY GHOST BAPTISM AS NOT BEING OF GOD HAS PURCHASED A ONE-WAY TICKET TO CERTAIN DAMNATION.

. LEVITICUS 24:15-16.

15. "And thou shalt speak
unto the Children of Israel,
saying,

'WHOSOEVER CURSETH
HIS GOD
SHALL BEAR HIS SIN.'

16. "And he that blasphemeth
The Name of The LORD,
he shall surely be
put to Death,
and all the Congregation
shall certainly stone him:
as well the Stranger
as he that is Born in the land,
when he blasphemeth
The Name of The LORD,
shall be put to Death."

. MATTHEW 12:22-45.

22. Then was brought unto him
one possessed with a Devil,
blind, and dumb:
and he healed him,
insomuch that
the Blind and Dumb
both spake and saw.
23. And all the people were amazed,
and said,

"IS NOT THIS
THE SON OF DAVID?"

24. But when
the Pharisees heard it,
they said,

"This fellow doth not
cast out Devils,
but by Beelzebub
the Prince of the Devils."

25. And Jesus
knew their thoughts,
and Said unto them,

"Every kingdom
divided against itself
is brought to desolation;
and every city or house
divided against itself
shall not stand:
26. "And if Satan cast out Satan,
he is divided against himself;
how shall then his Kingdom stand?
27. "And if I by Beelzebub
cast out Devils,
by whom do your children
cast them out?
Therefore they shall be your judges.
28. "But if I cast out Devils
by The Spirit of God,
then The Kingdom of God
is come unto you.
29. "Or else how can one
enter into a Strong Man's House,
and spoil his goods,
except he first
bind the Strong Man?
And then he will spoil his House.
30. "He that is not with me
is against me;
and he that
gathereth not with me
scattereth abroad.
31. "Wherefore I Say unto you,

'ALL MANNER
OF SIN AND BLASPHEMY
SHALL BE FORGIVEN
UNTO MEN:
BUT THE BLASPHEMY
AGAINST THE HOLY GHOST
SHALL NOT BE FORGIVEN
UNTO MEN.'

32. "And whosoever speaketh
a Word against
The Son of Man,
it shall be forgiven him:
but whosoever speaketh
against The Holy Ghost,
it shall not be forgiven him,
neither in this World,
neither in the World to come.
33. "Either make the tree good,
and his fruit good;
or else make the tree corrupt,
and his fruit corrupt:
for the tree is known
by his fruit.
34. "O Generation of Vipers,
how can ye, being Evil,
speak Good Things?
For out of the Abundance
of the heart
the mouth speaketh.
35. "A Good Man
out of the Good Treasure
of the heart
bringeth forth Good Things:
and an Evil Man
out of the Evil Treasure
bringeth forth Evil Things.
36.But I Say unto you,

'THAT EVERY IDLE WORD
THAT MEN SHALL SPEAK,
THEY SHALL GIVE
ACCOUNT THEREOF
IN THE DAY OF JUDGMENT.'

37. "For by thy Words
thou shalt be Justified,
and by thy Words thou shalt be Condemned."
38. Then certain of the scribes
and of the Pharisees answered,
saying,

"Master,
we would see
a Sign from thee."

39. But he Answered
and Said unto them,

"An Evil and
Adulterous Generation
seeketh after a Sign;
and there shall no Sign
be given to it,
but The Sign of
the Prophet Jonas:
40. "For as Jonas was
three days and three nights
in the whale's belly;
so shall the Son of Man
be three days
and three nights
in the heart of the Earth.

41. "The men of Nineveh
shall rise in Judgment with this Generation,
and shall Condemn It:
because they repented
at the Preaching of Jonas;
and, behold,
a Greater than Jonas is here.
42. "The Queen of the South
shall rise up in the Judgment
with this Generation,
and shall Condemn It:
for she came from
The Uttermost Parts of the Earth
to hear The Wisdom of Solomon;
and, behold,
a Greater than Solomon is here.
43. "When the unclean spirit
is gone out of a man,
he walketh through dry places,
seeking rest,
and findeth none.
44. "Then he saith,

'I WILL RETURN INTO MY HOUSE
FROM WHENCE I CAME OUT;'

and when he is come,
he findeth it empty,
swept, and garnished.
45. "Then goeth he,
and taketh with himself
seven other spirits
more wicked than himself,
and they enter in and dwell there:
and the last state of that man
is worse than the first.
Even so shall it be also
unto this Wicked Generation."

THE 25^th CHAPTER OF THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO MATTHEW, AND THE 1^st THROUGH 3^rd CHAPTERS OF YOCHANNAN'S REVELATION BOTH PROVE THAT JUST BECAUSE A CHURCH IS RECOGNIZED BY LORD YESHUA IN HEAVEN, THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT THEY ARE ALWAYS RIGHT, AND THAT OPPOSING THEIR LEADERSHIP IS WRONG!

. MATTHEW 23:8,10.

8. "But be not ye called 'Rabbi:'
for one is your Master, even Christ;
and all ye are Brethren.
10. "Neither be ye called masters:
for one is your Master,
even Christ."

LORD YESHUA IS THE ONLY LEGITIMATE LEADER OF HIS CHURCH!

Re: Why Are Most Pastors Children Stubborn? by Truvelisback(m): 6:31pm On Oct 17, 2021

SSIPON:

Translation:
They failed to indoctrinate their child properly.

There are some parents who indoctrinated their children but when some of them grew up, they refused to follow the doctrines.

Re: Why Are Most Pastors Children Stubborn? by Truvelisback(m): 12:15pm On Feb 10, 2022

Truvelisback:
Bonsoir Nairalanders. Why are most pastors children stubborn? The females aren't exempted too. They tend to live wayward lives or live the opposite of their parents' godly ways of life. Even in the Bible. These i have carefully noticed. I know a pastor(a nice man) whose sons goes to clubs to enjoy themselves. Even our landlady then, use to call them: The sons of Eli.

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