Sometimes I hear the things that Nigerians believe in and I'm like, "WTF, how?"


So I just want to resound this to you stubborn people:
There is no such thing as stealing of star.
There is no such thing as a spiritual husband.
There is no such thing as a spiritual wife.
There is no evidence to support claims of the existence of demons.
Your village people are not chasing you.

Stop draining yourself in prayer, sweat and anointing oil.

Ototuz:
Sometimes I hear the things that Nigerians believe in and I'm like, "WTF, how?"

So I just want to resound this to you stubborn people:
There is no such thing as stealing of star.
There is no such thing as a spiritual husband.
There is no such thing as a spiritual wife.
There is no evidence to support claims of the existence of demons.
Your village people are not chasing you.

Stop draining yourself in prayer, sweat and anointing oil.

If you do not have a star to be stolen, you would not know about the cases of stolen stars!

Una good afternoon.

Dtruthspeaker:


If you do not have a star to be stolen, you would not know about the cases of stolen stars!

Oh, lookie here, lol.

There is no such thing as stealing of stars.

How does the stealing of stars thing happen sef ? You don't know.

Hmmmmm... While i agree to your point as a realist, I would say, you can't exactly excuse away certain occurrences....

But, personally, I don't believe that village shii, yes there are wicked people and diabolic things are for real... But no juju can hinder true commitment and determination.

Even nature/juju/gods respect true Hustle (determination)

Op, are you a Christian or do you believe in Jesus Christ?

I ask because while I agree with your OP, it is kind of impossible to in fact believe in Jesus Christ without also believing in the existence of demons, one of the claims you included in your list up there.

Pastors will never help you with money when you need it.

They will always tell you there's sth spiritually taking sth from you. When they need money, they tell you givers never lack and you give your very best to “God”!

When you need money, “pray to God so that God can remove your spiritual partner and that man who stole your destiny. Pray so that another destiny helper will locate you. In fact, buy two fowls, one olive oil, two Geisha for luring the spirit husband, and four cartons of candles for casting. Fast for four days...but sb dey use olive oil fry your chicken...while your stomach dey draw adidas.”

“Make sure you fire the devil...anybody who abuses the man of God will face the wrath of the holy spirit. Remember your tithes and offerings because God loves a cheerful giver.”


They have jeeps but you have Legxus.

They have their kids abroad but you and your children first term school fees never settle.

They are only receiving from you but never give. Dem wan lack?

They go with security and ask you to pray for God's protection.


Tell me why you are not mad in complexion.

Stephenomozzy:
Hmmmmm... While i agree to your point as a realist, I would say, you can't exactly excuse away certain occurrences.

What you call "certain occurrences" is what is known as "confirmation bias".

There is apparently alot that you do not understand.

Not validating nor countering your claims tho.

But if you worship and believe a stone.. the stone will become more than a stone in time.

"The only true wisdom is knowing that you know nothing" - Socrates

Kobojunkie:
Op, are you a Christian or do you believe in Jesus Christ?

I ask because while I agree with your OP, it is kind of impossible to in fact believe in Jesus Christ without also believing in the existence of demons, one of the claims you included in your list up there.

No evidence to back up the existence of demons. Given the fact that the idea came from an era when superstitious beliefs were the norm, it is safe to assert that demons are most likely mythical.
I'm agnostic, if you have any evidence to change my view, bring it out

Ototuz:


Oh, lookie here, lol.

There is no such thing as stealing of stars.

How does the stealing of stars thing happen sef ? You don't know.

Imagine, na you ask question, na you answer am!

Nobody fit thief wetin person no get!

Dtruthspeaker:


Imagine, na you ask question, na you answer am!

Nobody fit thief wetin person no get!

So how you take know person wey them don thief him star

See your mouth like star

Ototuz:
Sometimes I hear the things that Nigerians believe in and I'm like, "WTF, how?"


So I just want to resound this to you stubborn people:
There is no such thing as stealing of star.
There is no such thing as a spiritual husband.
There is no such thing as a spiritual wife.
There is no evidence to support claims of the existence of demons.
Your village people are not chasing you.

Stop draining yourself in prayer, sweat and anointing oil.

If you want to know whether are terrorists or not take an adventure to Zambisa Forest.
If you want to know if there are ritualists go to Okija Shrine and some bushes in the south east, south south and Southeast even north.
If you are not sure whether bandits are in Nigeria or not go to Zamfara
Ok it is a lie that Islamic fanatics exists go to Afghanistan.

Now let me bring it deeper

If you want to know whether HIV positive is possible or not go ahead and have blood contact with anyone having it either through sex or sharp objects.
Oh, sexual infection are all lies just try having direct contact sexually with a carrier.

If you want to know whether sexual demons exist and you are not sure as a Christian, spend lots of times sleeping with different prostitutes, watch lost of pornography, masturbate and do lots of dangerous sex styles.


Any time people cross their boundaries bad things that do not exist surface.

All I wrote are lies, try them out

Ototuz:
No evidence to back up the existence of demons. Given the fact that the idea came from an era when superstitious beliefs were the norm, it is safe to assert that demons are most likely mythical.
I'm agnostic, if you have any evidence to change my view, bring it out

No evidence because you have checked all 8 billion people on the planet for demons and found no evidence of a possession?

ag·nos·tic

a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God or of anything beyond material phenomena; a person who claims neither faith nor disbelief in God.

If truly you are agnostic, why do not go around making definitive claims of that which you by leaning - agnostic- are not certain of?

Ototuz:


What you call "certain occurrences" is what is known as "confirmation bias".

Do you believe in God?
Will you also attribute your belief as a confirmation bias?


You can't believe in good and not think there is evil, light and not darkness...

Modified: From your other response, you are agnostic...did you realize this by experience and enlightenment from studious research of conventional and non-conventional means... Or is it a state you have adopted to escape the responsibility that BELIEVING requires of you

Ototuz:
Sometimes I hear the things that Nigerians believe in and I'm like, "WTF, how?"
So I just want to resound this to you stubborn people:
There is no such thing as stealing of star.
There is no such thing as a spiritual husband.
There is no such thing as a spiritual wife.
[s]There is no evidence to support claims of the existence of demons.[/s]
Your village people are not chasing you.
Stop draining yourself in prayer, sweat and anointing oil.

Don't get me wrong, I do agree that much of what you have above is indeed of pagan/voodoo origin - not linked to the Christian doctrine.

Ynix:

If you want to know whether are terrorists or not take an adventure to Zambisa Forest.
If you want to know if there are ritualists go to Okija Shrine and some bushes in the south east, south south and Southeast even north.
If you are not sure whether bandits are in Nigeria or not go to Zamfara
Ok it is a lie that Islamic fanatics exists go to Afghanistan.

Now let me bring it deeper

If you want to know whether HIV positive is possible or not go ahead and have blood contact with anyone having it either through sex or sharp objects.
Oh, sexual infection are all lies just try having direct contact sexually with a carrier.

If you want to know whether sexual demons exist and you are not sure as a Christian, spend lots of times sleeping with different prostitutes, watch lost of pornography, masturbate and do lots of dangerous sex styles.


Any time people cross their boundaries bad things that do not exist surface.

All I wrote are lies, try them out

Let me dumb it down for you:
You make a claim, you prove that claim.

You cannot create a hypothesis and call it a day without proof.

HIV/AIDS can be tested. You don't need to sleep with anyone to know that it is a thing.
Ritualists are just organ traffickers. There is no evidence for any deity that is actively waiting for the blood of a stranger in exchange for money.
Islamic fanatics exist and so does the fanatics of Christianity.

There is no evidence for the existence of demons or stolen stars. It's just good old, superstitions.

Okay let me take this from another angle.


I walk up to you and say, "Dragons exist and one dragon visited me yesterday,"
You reply, "You don't have any proof to back up your claim".

Then I say: "Now let me bring it deeper. If you want to know whether HIV positive is possible or not go ahead and have blood contact with anyone having it either through sex or sharp objects.
Oh, sexual infection are all lies just try having direct contact sexually with a carrier.
Any time people cross their boundaries bad things that do not exist surface."




Now answer the question, through my reply, have I actually proven the existence of demons?

Stephenomozzy:

you are agnostic...did you realize this by experience and enlightenment from studious research of conventional and non-conventional

enlightenment from studious research of conventional and unconventional means.

Ototuz:


So how you take know person wey them don thief him star

See your mouth like star

e don occur to you say I bin get star wey dem be wan theif from me?

So I must know!

Stephenomozzy:

... Or is it a state you have adopted to escape the responsibility that BELIEVING requires of you

This statement is like a Muslim walking up to you and going, "The reason why you are not an Islamists is because you are trying to ESCAPE the responsibilities of BELIEVING in ISLAM"

Dtruthspeaker:


e don occur to you say I bin get star wey dem be wan theif from me?

So I must know!

Maggi Star

Ototuz:


This statement is like a Muslim walking up to you and going, "The reason why you are not an Islamists is because you are trying to ESCAPE the responsibilities of BELIEVING in ISLAM"

I don't know whether it is intentional, quoting different parts of my statement as singularly, rather than treating it as a whole.

That's just as well as you saying there is no God strictly because of one instance when you prayed and fire didn't fall down from heaven.

Meanwhile,

There is a key distinction. An atheist doesn't believe in a god or divine being. ... However, an agnostic neither believes nor disbelieves in a god or religious doctrine. Agnostics assert that it's impossible for human beings to know anything about how the universe was created and whether or not divine beings exist.

DICTIONARY.COM

From your position, and claims of being an "agnostic" i think you may need to know that there is a clear distinction betwixt both. Also, that you don't believe, doesn't mean it isn't a possibility.

Ototuz:


This statement is like a Muslim walking up to you and going, "The reason why you are not an Islamists is because you are trying to ESCAPE the responsibilities of BELIEVING in ISLAM"

Stay on topic..... while some people have ignorantly fallen into the hands of mischief makers who are glad to trick people by telling them what they want to hear about the points you cited in your first post (which is the topic of this thread).....It doesn't mean that there are no celestial beings - however the degree of their involvement in mortal affairs can be up for debate. Don't bring religion's name ....we are not talking about any religion in particular

Kobojunkie:
No evidence because you have checked all 8 billion people on the planet for demons and found no evidence of a possession?

Again, you make a claim you proof it.
How do demonic possessions happen? You don't know
How then did you confirm the existence of demons? You don't know. You were just told that demons existed and you rode with it.

That I'm agnostic doesn't mean I cannot have a say in any idea you position before me.

Stephenomozzy:


That's just as well as you saying there is no God strictly because of one instance when you prayed and fire didn't fall down from heaven.

Meanwhile,

From your position, and claims of being an "agnostic" i think you may need to know that there is a clear distinction betwixt both. Also, that you don't believe, doesn't mean it isn't a possibility.

Stay on topic..... while some people have ignorantly fallen into the hands of mischief makers who are glad to trick people by telling them what they want to hear about the points you cited in your first post (which is the topic of this thread).....It doesn't mean that there are no celestial beings - however the degree of their involvement in mortal affairs can be up for debate. Don't bring religion's name ....we are not talking about any religion in particular

Again, the burden of proof is on you.
Where is the evidence that prayers work?
Why is it that the so-called miracles are always something that can be faked?
Where is the evidence for a spiritual wife/husband?
Where is the evidence for a star that need to be protected from being stolen?

Ototuz:


Again, the burden of proof is on you.
Where is the evidence that prayers work?
Why is it that the so-called miracles are always something that can be faked?
Where is the evidence for a spiritual wife/husband?
Where is the evidence for a star that need to be protected from being stolen?

Obviously, you have not been following my statements but hurriedly quoting it. Try reading my very first post...you just may find understanding about my point. Cheers.

Ototuz:
Again, you make a claim you proof it.
How do demonic possessions happen? You don't know
How then did you confirm the existence of demons? You don't know. You were just told that demons existed and you rode with it.

That I'm agnostic doesn't mean I cannot have a say in any idea you position before me.

I didn't make any claims here. You did so the onus is on you to prove what you claimed.

I know demons are real because my belief states they are and because I am possessed of a spirit myself. You , on the other hand, operates in a zone of uncertainty, yet you think it logical for you to make any definitive claims about that which you confess to having no certainty of?

That you are agnostic indeed means - and this by definition- you cannot take any real position on anything that has to do with God or the things of God.

Kobojunkie:

I know demons are real because my belief states they are and because I am possessed of a spirit myself.

You mean, you know demons are real because YOU WERE TOLD THEY WERE REAL? LMAO

Ototuz:
You mean, you know demons are real because YOU WERE TOLD THEY WERE REAL? LMAO

Again...I didn't make any claims here. You did so the onus is on you to prove what you claimed.

I know demons are real because my belief states they are and because I am possessed of a spirit myself. You , on the other hand, operates in a zone of uncertainty, yet you think it logical for you to make any definitive claims about that which you confess to having no certainty of?

That you are agnostic indeed means - and this by definition- you cannot take any real position on anything that has to do with God or the things of God

Ototuz:


Let me dumb it down for you:
You make a claim, you prove that claim.

You cannot create a hypothesis and call it a day without proof.

HIV/AIDS can be tested. You don't need to sleep with anyone to know that it is a thing.
Ritualists are just organ traffickers. There is no evidence for any deity that is actively waiting for the blood of a stranger in exchange for money.
Islamic fanatics exist and so does the fanatics of Christianity.

There is no evidence for the existence of demons or stolen stars. It's just good old, superstitions.

Okay let me take this from another angle.


I walk up to you and say, "Dragons exist and one dragon visited me yesterday,"
You reply, "You don't have any proof to back up your claim".

Then I say: "Now let me bring it deeper. If you want to know whether HIV positive is possible or not go ahead and have blood contact with anyone having it either through sex or sharp objects.
Oh, sexual infection are all lies just try having direct contact sexually with a carrier.


Any time people cross their boundaries bad things that do not exist surface."




Now answer the question, through my reply, have I actually proven the existence of demons?

Have you tried sleeping with multiple prostitutes, have you spend years masturbating and pornography or taking drugs.
I am not talking about scientific experiment I am talking about you, try it out and then reach your conclusion. Those that know that demons force themselves in marriage to those who enter their domain through illicit sex and drug abuse know from experience, their lives never remained the same.
There are things even in science that taking statistics will not open up to you, talk of areas like Quantum Mechanics and Geophysics, same here are there are dimensions of things you won't know except you experience them.

Now let me open up something to you, as a kid of Less that 3 I do see things beyond the physical eyes, by this I mean with my eyes wild open and now that I am 32, in the last about 30 years of living I can boldly tell you angels exists, demons exist because I see them and by the grace of God I know how they operate.
So I am not talking about something i am just saying by mere talk.
One of the lessons I have learned in all of this year's is that if you don't cross your boundaries you won't be their victim.
Someone can say it is a lie that there are no prisoners or even if there are they are doing well since it is just correctional experience until he or she visits kirikiri, then the person cannot conclude.
Bro, speaking English is good, but there are things you can't use English to express.
Should I tell you of a man that married his new wife only to see that anytime they want to have sex a penis shows up besides the woman's vagina, they prayed and prayed and there was no answer until they called someone who is well equipped with knowledge understanding and capacity by God to undo that evil situation.
Like I said there are things that exists that we cannot say with our mouths.
Those who have experienced them know they exists, the only joy is that If you remain the boundaries of the secret place of the most high God you won't be a victim.
Bro Demons are real some call some of them spirit husband and wife and they are not wrong based on their level of understanding

Kobojunkie:

I know demons are real because my belief states they are and because I am possessed of a spirit myself.

This comedian

Ynix:


[s]Bro, speaking English is good, but there are things you can't use English to express.
Should I tell you of a man that married his new wife only to see that anytime they want to have sex a penis shows up besides the woman's vagina, they prayed and prayed and there was no answer until they called someone who is well equipped with knowledge understanding and capacity by God to undo that evil situation.[/s]

What Nollywood script is this?

Ototuz:
This comedian

Again...I didn't make any claims here. You did so the onus is on you to prove what you claimed.

I know demons are real because my belief states they are and because I am possessed of a spirit myself. You , on the other hand, operates in a zone of uncertainty, yet you think it logical for you to make any definitive claims about that which you confess to having no certainty of?

That you are agnostic indeed means - and this by definition- you cannot take any real position on anything that has to do with God or the things of God