hupernikao:
Man is helpless, he has no ability or capability to help himself, he is dead to life and light. The more he tried to help himself, the more he found out his incapability to help himself.

Only an idiot, or a profoundly dishonest mind, would regard that premise as true. Mr. Hupernikao you are either one or the other. Further, that sentiment is one of the most vile, corrosive sentiments ever concocted by religious zealots, that can only have emerged from minds that regard themselves with a deep and deadly disdain.

hupernikao:
He needs help, beyond his riches, technology, advancement and exploit. He will never find satisfaction in it. Because this never solve the problem or handles man's problem that always expose his incapability and helplessness to him.

That seems odd to me because I've done perfectly fine and prospered without the help of God ever since I came out as an atheist in 2006

LordReed:
What does he need to do but sit back and watch porn?

The Christian god probably sits around the house and paints his nails.

Tamaratonye1:

The Christian god probably sits around the house and paints his nails.

Bwahahahahaha! No wonder he loves bisexual porn. LMFAO!

Tamaratonye1:

Only an idiot, or a profoundly dishonest mind, would regard that premise as true. Mr. Hupernikao you are either one or the other. Further, that sentiment is one of the most vile, corrosive sentiments ever concocted by religious zealots, that can only have emerged from minds that regard themselves with a deep and deadly disdain.

You speak on what you don't have knowledge of, in such class, you are to sit and listen and learn. Trying to prove points in such room, will seriously expose your ignorance.

You are speaking about the scripture, I gave you an absolute summary of what the scriptures taught, yet because you want to drive a false point, you are working on making a point without having point.

I put it to you again. That you have been exposed to false teaching of the scriptures. All your premise of argument against the scriptures were never in the first place addressing what the scriptures taught. You are only been derailed by false information you are fed with and that's seems to be what you built your whole knowledge foundation on.


You will need to start getting a proper explanation of what the scripture taught, so that your argument will truly attack the rudiments of the faith. Currently your argument put you in the same space as those who exposed you or preached to you the false doctrine that form your experiences against the scriptures in life. It's more like throwing stones to hit the moon.

Tamaratonye1:
That seems odd to me because I've done perfectly fine and prospered without the help of God ever since I came out as an atheist in 2006

Secondly, a patient reader and listener will end up becoming an intelligent teacher.

Go and read what I wrote again. Or let me help you again. See it below.

He (man) needs help, beyond his riches, technology, advancement and exploit. He will never find satisfaction in it.

So your statement never negate what I wrote, infact it actually affirmed it. That man, by himself can achieve much without needing God. All you listed as achievement doesn't need God to have. They are within man's capability and knowledge. And if you are truly taught the scriptures well, you will know that isn't the focus of the scripture. The scriptures is not meant to solve what man can solve. But to solve what man seek to solve but never find answers. That is the help the Bible taught.

So, in all your satisfaction in life, they are in line, no issues.

God's satisfaction is not in riches and human achievement and man's problem is not in riches and achievement. When you know the singular, primary, and most fundamental problem of man, that which makes man incapable, is that which dissolves all his intelligence and skills in its brooding waves. Then you will know man's help is not within him but in the graciousness of one who has helped man with a open hand to receive.

So get this again about the scriptures teaching.

That is, a helpless man, found help in the graciousness of a gracious God. That helplessness is universal. And can't be solved with gold, riches, technology or achievement.

hupernikao:


You speak on what you don't have knowledge of, in such class, you are to sit and listen and learn. Trying to prove points in such room, will seriously expose your ignorance.

You are speaking about the scripture, I gave you an absolute summary of what the scriptures taught, yet because you want to drive a false point, you are working on making a point without having point.

I put it to you again. That you have been exposed to false teaching of the scriptures. All your premise of argument against the scriptures were never in the first place addressing what the scriptures taught. You are only been derailed by false information you are fed with and that's seems to be what you built your whole knowledge foundation on.


You will need to start getting a proper explanation of what the scripture taught, so that your argument will truly attack the rudiments of the faith. Currently your argument put you in the same space as those who exposed you or preached to you the false doctrine that form your experiences against the scriptures in life. It's more like throwing stones to hit the moon.



Secondly, a patient reader and listener will end up becoming an intelligent teacher.

Go and read what I wrote again. Or let me help you again. See it below.

He (man) needs help, beyond his riches, technology, advancement and exploit. He will never find satisfaction in it.

So your statement never negate what I wrote, infact it actually affirmed it. That man, by himself can achieve much without needing God. All you listed as achievement doesn't need God to have. They are within man's capability and knowledge. And if you are truly taught the scriptures well, you will know that isn't the focus of the scripture. The scriptures is not meant to solve what man can solve. But to solve what man seek to solve but never find answers. That is the help the Bible taught.

So, in all your satisfaction in life, they are in line, no issues.

God's satisfaction is not in riches and human achievement and man's problem is not in riches and achievement. When you know the singular, primary, and most fundamental problem of man, that which makes man incapable, is that which dissolves all his intelligence and skills in its brooding waves. Then you will know man's help is not within him but in the graciousness of one who has helped man with a open hand to receive.

So get this again about the scriptures teaching.

That is, a helpless man, found help in the graciousness of a gracious God. That helplessness is universal. And can't be solved with gold, riches, technology or achievement.

In what way have you been satisfied?

MrBrownJay1:

again, i wrote the minute you have laws to OBEY in order to enter into this convenant....

Okay let me add the "in order to enter into this convenant" portion.

Is there any profitable engagement which does not have its own Laws WHICH YOU HAVE TO AGREE TO OBEY BEFORE YOU CAN HAVE A CONTRACT (COVENANT) WITH THEM? eg Employment in Offices, Application to Enter into Schools, Application to be a Member of Profession and Industry, Tenancies, Joint Ventures etc.

Even the living in your own home, community and country requires you to agree to OBEY THE LAWS THERE as you have confessed "...i' always obey my parents, i always obey the laws of any country i live in......i' always obey my parents, i always obey the laws of any country i live in..."

So there is nothing unusual or irregular or out of place about "the minute you have laws to OBEY in order to enter into this convenant"

MrBrownJay1:

so pls stop taking half of what i wrote to make a point.

I am just identifying the issue I just wanted to comment on for clarity.

MrBrownJay1:

religious laws are in place in order to enter their imaginary heaven and have imaginary eternal life....

Like different companies and countries, different Laws are there but beyond talk NO ONE IS COMPELLING YOU that you must work in a certain company or live in a certain country. IT IS YOUR CHOICE TO MAKE.

So is it here.

No one here called "MBJ, you must join the Company of God O".

MrBrownJay1:

...pls stop comparing human/coungtry laws with religious laws that are trying to sell you a pipe dream.

As I said earlier, you have made a valid pronouncement, which painfully for you, is what the Bible is saying "He who has done no wrong has no fear for punishment" in your words "if you need the threat of Punishment ("eternal torture", YOU ARE NOT A GOOD PERSON."

So if you live by your words the you do not need to bother yourself about pipe dreams and all.

MrBrownJay1:

lol quick to mention your god/heaven upandan yet cant answer a simple question?!

It is not right to deviate off topic.

Tamaratonye1:
...That seems odd to me because I've done perfectly fine and prospered without the help of God ever since I came out as an atheist in 2006

Yet you bothered yourself about the 10,000 people whose prayers are not granted.

"...why should your prayer elicit a useful effect when 10,000 people elsewhere with identical belief in the identical god praying in exactly the same fashion get no effect?"

People who have Good Things eg jobs, Houses, etc Carry On with their lives and never bother themselves with those who do not have it.

hupernikao:

You speak on what you don't have knowledge of, in such class, you are to sit and listen and learn. Trying to prove points in such room, will seriously expose your ignorance....

She is not here to talk to Lovers of God

She is only to Fulfill the Word of God and blaspheme Him and to harvest the simple ordinary folks who do not know what is going on.

hupernikao:


You speak on what you don't have knowledge of, in such class, you are to sit and listen and learn. Trying to prove points in such room, will seriously expose your ignorance.

You are speaking about the scripture, I gave you an absolute summary of what the scriptures taught, yet because you want to drive a false point, you are working on making a point without having point.

It is true that "god helps those who help themselves" is not in the Bible. I knew that much already. The aphorism is actually of ancient Greek origin, and may originally have been proverbial. It is illustrated by two of Aesop's Fables and a similar sentiment is found in ancient Greek drama.

In his Philoctetes, Sophocles (409 BCE) wrote, "No good e'er comes of leisure purposeless; And heaven ne'er helps the men who will not act".

But that wasn't the point of bringing it up. Many Christians regularly use and repeat it. Doubtless not the ones as enlightened about the scriptures as you fancy yourself, lol. But it's out there just the same. So your defense is true to an extent, but nonetheless splitting hairs.

hupernikao:

I put it to you again. That you have been exposed to false teaching of the scriptures. All your premise of argument against the scriptures were never in the first place addressing what the scriptures taught. You are only been derailed by false information you are fed with and that's seems to be what you built your whole knowledge foundation on.

Well, that certainly answers the question of idiocy vs dishonesty. In spades. LOL

You are blind and stumbling in a single corridor of a labyrinth whose walls and floor you've worn to absolute familiarity, and so believe you have all the answers, totally uncomprehending you're trapped in a labyrinth, or even what a labyrinth is. You are more to be pitied than mocked, but your vitriol invites only mockery.

hupernikao:

You will need to start getting a proper explanation of what the scripture taught, so that your argument will truly attack the rudiments of the faith. Currently your argument put you in the same space as those who exposed you or preached to you the false doctrine that form your experiences against the scriptures in life. It's more like throwing stones to hit the moon.

You are scripture driven from the position of belief. It has never occurred to you to examine historical context, prose, accuracy, or translation. You accept it all at face value with no doubts whatsoever. That's why you're a Christian; you have been conditioned to accept it all as truth and never question anything.

And that's why you will never understand how other non Christians view your belief system. You are incapable of understanding it because you don't want to hear it in the first place.

hupernikao:

He (man) needs help, beyond his riches, technology, advancement and exploit. He will never find satisfaction in it.

So your statement never negate what I wrote, infact it actually affirmed it. That man, by himself can achieve much without needing God. All you listed as achievement doesn't need God to have. They are within man's capability and knowledge. And if you are truly taught the scriptures well, you will know that isn't the focus of the scripture. The scriptures is not meant to solve what man can solve. But to solve what man seek to solve but never find answers. That is the help the Bible taught.

Your entire argument is a variation on the teaching of the "utter depravity" of man. Its purpose is to create the demand for assistance that is not needed. If you buy that you are "helpless" then you will require the "help" offered to you by the belief-system - or at least you will be convinced that you cannot function without it.

There are certainly people who expect to "find satisfaction" in wealth, toys, status and acclaim, but the false dichotomy is that those things are 100% of what is available to people to make meaning and find purpose for themselves, apart from what it's claimed that god or his church offers. In reality, though, empathy, kindness, humility, and contentment are not beyond our ken. They are just not, for the most part, for most people, most of the time, automatic and have to be developed.

Conversely, sociopathy, cruelty, arrogance and acquisitiveness are entirely within the grasp of theists as well - even devout and observant theists. The fallacy you're advancing is that morality, ethics, and "right living" if you will, begin and end with the teachings of the scriptures, when in fact they're all in the public domain at the expense of just ordinary self-reflection and patience.

hupernikao:

God's satisfaction is not in riches and human achievement and man's problem is not in riches and achievement. When you know the singular, primary, and most fundamental problem of man, that which makes man incapable, is that which dissolves all his intelligence and skills in its brooding waves. Then you will know man's help is not within him but in the graciousness of one who has helped man with a open hand to receive.

Oh look. He's preaching at me. Isn't that special.

Hupernikao thinks he can tell me what the gods take satisfaction in. That despite the fact that St. Paul told him Romans 11:33, "Oh, the depth of the riches, both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments and unfathomable His ways!" But hupernikao is special. He knows the mind of God.

hupernikao:

So get this again about the scriptures teaching.

That is, a helpless man, found help in the graciousness of a gracious God. That helplessness is universal. And can't be solved with gold, riches, technology or achievement.

If your god is as fictional as I believe it to be, it is powerless to help anyone. Therefore, I believe that you are grossly overstating the alleged helplessness of humanity - so much so that you are libelling the people past and present who have facilitated the life that you live here on Earth in 2021.

Whatever though, you do you. No probs. Just so long as you don't claim a monopoly on the Great Virtues.

Dtruthspeaker:
Okay let me add the "in order to enter into this convenant" portion.

Is there any profitable engagement which does not have its own Laws WHICH YOU HAVE TO AGREE TO OBEY BEFORE YOU CAN HAVE A CONTRACT (COVENANT) WITH THEM? eg Employment in Offices, Application to Enter into Schools, Application to be a Member of Profession and Industry, Tenancies, Joint Ventures etc.

Even the living in your own home, community and country requires you to agree to OBEY THE LAWS THERE as you have confessed "...i' always obey my parents, i always obey the laws of any country i live in......i' always obey my parents, i always obey the laws of any country i live in..."

So there is nothing unusual or irregular or out of place about "the minute you have laws to OBEY in order to enter into this convenant

none of the above laws are a requisite to enter an invisible after life world ruled by an invisible god....

Like different companies and countries, different Laws are there but beyond talk NO ONE IS COMPELLING YOU that you must work in a certain company or live in a certain country. IT IS YOUR CHOICE TO MAKE.

of course, and if/when i follow the laws of this job, i will get a concrete salary, with concrete benefits etc...i certainly wouldnt get a pipe dream that NOBODY CAN CONFIRM! why should enter a convenant that has NEVER been proven? a job i get an outcome from following its laws, same as any other laws outcome. your religious laws outcome are the only ones that are made out of thin air and that can NEVER be verified nor proven!

As I said earlier, you have made a valid pronouncement, which painfully for you, is what the Bible is saying "He who has done no wrong has no fear for punishment" in your words "if you need the threat of Punishment ("eternal torture", YOU ARE NOT A GOOD PERSON."
So if you live by your words the you do not need to bother yourself about pipe dreams and all.

again, stick to the thread at hand, as you are the one who quoted me after i simply wrote my initial reply to the OP (which had nothing to do with laws). now you are trying to flip the script while you are the one who shouldnt have bothered with my reply and lived your own life.

It is not right to deviate off topic.

i am sorry, all the above laws you are talking about are to enter an imaginary heaven ruled by an imaginary god....shouldnt we therefore FIRST check the validity of all this imaginary stuff?!?!?

Tamaratonye1:

It is true that "god helps those who help themselves" is not in the Bible. I knew that much already. The aphorism is actually of ancient Greek origin, and may originally have been proverbial. It is illustrated by two of Aesop's Fables and a similar sentiment is found in ancient Greek drama.

All these you wrote hasn't address the point that.

1. You tried to put on God what he never said in his word.

2. That man's help is not in riches that you have nor is it in man's achievement.

You said much but leaving much out of context.

That your text in your OP had been considered historically, scripturally, doctrinally and logically to be false on God. You only want to make an accusation but you got it wrong. Your decision on the scriptures shouldn't be based on what is generally said or accepted around but what the scriptures taught.

That is the correction you should receive.

Lol, they say faith without work is useless. If faith needs work, then faith is useless on its own. You only need work to get results.

MrBrownJay1:

none of the above laws are a requisite to enter an invisible after life world ruled by an invisible god....

I know you got my point that every engagement has its peculiar Laws you must comply with before you enter in and I did not say that those were the laws to enter there in.

But you just wanted to be evasive and feign Non-understanding.

MrBrownJay1:

of course, and if/when i follow the laws of this job, i will get a concrete salary, with concrete benefits etc...i certainly wouldnt get a pipe dream that NOBODY CAN CONFIRM! why should enter a convenant that has NEVER been proven? a job i get an outcome from following its laws, same as any other laws outcome. your religious laws outcome are the only ones that are made out of thin air and that can NEVER be verified nor proven!

I clearly said NO ONE IS COMPELLING YOU to accept it, so you can go to your other choice engagements.

MrBrownJay1:

i am sorry, all the above laws you are talking about are to enter an imaginary heaven ruled by an imaginary god....shouldnt we therefore FIRST check the validity of all this imaginary stuff?!?!?

You are not verifying the validity of the A Chance to Obtain God-Jssued Pardon and Amnesty for you have already concluded for yourself that This Engagement is Unprofitable to you as is your right which we all respect.

So you do not have any business with us and you can continue in your own way,

Dtruthspeaker:

I know you got my point that every engagement has its peculiar Laws you must comply with before you enter in and I did not say that those were the laws to enter there in.

But you just wanted to be evasive and feign Non-understanding.

I clearly said NO ONE IS COMPELLING YOU to accept it, so you can go to your other choice engagements.

You are not verifying the validity of the A Chance to Obtain God-Jssued Pardon and Amnesty for you have already concluded for yourself that This Engagement is Unprofitable to you as is your right which we all respect.

So you do not have any business with us and you can continue in your own way,

i was minding my own business, and you are the one who jumped on the bandwagon to try to brainwash me with your religious mambo jambo, not knowing that i probably know the bible better than you do.
so again, you have your beliefs and i have mine, no need to try to convince me that what i was saying is wrong, as i fully believe that: some of you people have no aim in life, you have no will power and need to be brainwashed and led like sheep, in order to find a purpose in life.... thats where these fraudsters in robe come into play.
EOD

hupernikao:
All these you wrote hasn't address the point

1. You tried to put on God what he never said in his word.

2. That man's help is not in riches that you have nor is it in man's achievement.

You said much but leaving much out of context.

That your text in your OP had been considered historically, scripturally, doctrinally and logically to be false on God. You only want to make an accusation but you got it wrong. Your decision on the scriptures shouldn't be based on what is generally said or accepted around but what the scriptures taught.

That is the correction you should receive.

Just in case it missed you, but I know it didn't because I now recognize your modus operandi, which is to hand wave apparent facts away anytime you get cornered in an argument; I've already addressed your arguments on "man's help" in this thread so it's intellectually lazy and quite insulting to come back and claim your stance is still valid without any reasonable justification. Although its not surprising, given that you did this in a previous thread of mine not long ago, claiming "gaps" in my reasoning but failing to prove these gaps despite being requested to do so. Why you always think you can bamboozle me with these cheap tricks is beyond me. And please stop patronizing me in your posts, it makes me want to throw up.

Also, I never attributed anything directly to the Bible. If you're not being dishonest, I invite you to take any line from my topic to prove this. In my original post, I was specifically referring to the things Christians generally teach and advocate, not the Bible. This is precisely why I noted it as a cognitive dissonance in Christianity. Whether such teachings are found in scripture is a completely new debate you fabricated to sidestep the major point of my discussion.

Now you claimed that "...decision on the scriptures shouldn't be based on what is generally said or accepted around but what the scriptures taught.". But isn't this problematic when the scriptures you speak of are, by design, vague enough that there isn't wide agreement on many important aspects of what they supposedly mean? That is why you have people drawing completely different conclusions from the same book.

Arminianism vs Calvinism is a good case in point. The role of grace vs works, of god's judgment vs his mercy and love, and other nuances of emphasis. Major differences in practical application ranging from people you couldn't tell from the general population to people wearing clothing from the 19th century. There was a group called the Shakers in the mid 19th century that were entirely celibate, not just the clergy. Predictably they aren't around anymore. The list is basically endless. And then we have people like you who are claiming to have carefully studied it and accomplished what theologians for millennia have failed at: figuring out the correct interpretation.

The scriptures are sufficiently daft that they made the decision for me. I was a de facto atheist by age seven. You keep saying things like "God's satisfaction," "God's word," etc., as if the existence of your divine buddy were a fait accompli. Nope, not around here it isn't. You seem to forget not everyone on this site is a Christian. Your interpretation of these archaic books is just one among many, and you have not given me any reason to take you seriously. So get down off your high horse instead of pretending that you have any qualifications to teach me.

All holy books are vague templates upon which the current generation can project whatever they want, to validate what they need to in the moment. There are dozens of major and conflicting traditions of Christianity alone, and technically tens of thousands of denominations. And that doesn't even include the free-formers who decide for themselves what they want it to mean. Well, no thanks. Not any more. I've left that behind decades ago, and don't miss it at all.

These are clear truths that you can't and won't ever respond to. You are a nothing but a phony and a liar of the highest order. And it's a shame, because you appeared to be capable of sensible debate. This isn't the first time we've crossed paths on this site, and you seem to be plunging deeper and deeper into the abyss of dishonesty with each meeting. LOL. Continue to deceive yourself. Your god has always been the father of lies, so I'm sure he'll be much pleased with you.

hupernikao:


Your quote above is man's tradition not God's word. Bible taught, that heaven only helps those who comes to him (it).. That is those who come (believe and receive) his grace not those who want to help themselves.

Man is helpless, he has no ability or capability to help himself, he is dead to life and light. The more he tried to help himself, the more he found out his incapability to help himself.


He needs help, beyond his riches, technology, advancement and exploit. He will never find satisfaction in it. Because this never solve the problem or handles man's problem that always expose his incapability and helplessness to him.

Hence,
Many who holds such view as the quote above are partying on the platform of ignorant that comes from wrong doctrines. It was never taught in the scriptures.

What this means is that your statement is not only not found in the scripture, it was never a scriptural text. Both in explanation, interpretation and teaching of the word, it failed the test.

Bible teaching is summarized as below.
HEAVEN HELPS THOSE WHO COME TO HIM (IT).

That is, a helpless man, found help in the graciousness of a gracious God.

Not sure which Bible you're reading ...

......and I sure hope you have nothing to do with teaching it.

John 6:44 "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day."

The gods are in charge in your cult......
Jesus said so.

MISHIGAS!

orisa37:
GOD WORKS EVERY TIME IN THE HEARTS, SOULS, MINDS AND FLESH OF EVERY LIVING SOUL. THAT'S WHY HE IS OMNIPOTENT, OMNISCIENT, OMNIPRESENT

IT IS THE HEIGHT OF FOOLISHNESS TO EXAGGERATE THE ATTRIBUTES OF YAHWEH GOD: HE HAS NEVER CLAIMED TO POSSESS ATTRIBUTES OF OMNIPOTENCE, OMNISCIENCE, NOR OMNIPRESENCE.

The first four chapters of THE BOOK OF GENESIS categorically rule out such a Doctrine.

God took finite Time to create the Earth in stages. An OMNIPOTENT BEING would have created everything in an instant- or at least one day.

He had to cross-examine Adam to discover the facts of The Fall of Man.

An OMNISCIENT BEING tells you what happened, and needs to ask nothing.

An OMNIPRESENT BEING cannot DEPART and RETURN, nor express ignorance about what happened in His ABSENCE.

God was unable to repair the damage caused by The Fall of Man.

None of those spurious Attributes was on hand to save FAVOURED ABEL.

GOD was not OMNISCIENT to predict his murder by Cain, nor perceive it happening.

GOD was not OMNIPRESENT to be there to know what happened.

GOD was not OMNIPOTENT to prevent nor reverse the killing.

ATHEISTS AND RELIGIOUS HYPOCRITES, CRITICIZING OR EXAGGERATINGTHE BIBLE, KNOW ALL THESE FACTS- YET PRETEND NOT YO KNOW THEM, IN ORDER TO DISTORT THE CONCEPT OF GOD.

Why am I the only one talking about this?

THERE ARE EIGHT LEVELS OF EXISTENCE: SEVEN HEAVENLY, AND THE EARTHLY.

These levels differ in Spiritual Energy, Wisdom and Understanding.

. JOB 28:28.

28. "And unto Man He Said,

'BEHOLD,
THE FEAR OF THE LORD,
THAT IS WISDOM;
AND TO DEPART FROM EVIL,
IS UNDERSTANDING.' "

. JOB 39:13-18.

13. "Gavest thou the goodly wings
unto the peacocks?
or wings and feathers
unto the ostrich?
14. "Which leaveth
her eggs in the earth,
and warmeth them in dust,
15. "And forgetteth
that the foot may crush them,
or that the wild beast
may break them.
16. "She is hardened
against her young ones,
as though they were not her's:
her labour is in vain without fear;
17. "Because God hath
deprived her of Wisdom,
neither hath He
imparted to her Understanding.
18." What time she
lifteth up herself on high,
she scorneth
the horse and his rider."

. PSALM 111:10.

10. The Fear of The LORD
is The Beginning of Wisdom:
a Good Understanding
have all they
that do His Commandments:
His Praise endureth for ever.

. PROVERBS 1:7.

7. The Fear of The LORD
is The Beginning of Knowledge:
but Fools despise
Wisdom and Instruction.

. PROVERBS 9:10.

10. The Fear of The LORD
is The Beginning of Wisdom:
and The Knowledge of
The Holy is Understanding.

.   ISAIAH 55:6-11.

6. Seek ye The LORD,
while He may be found,
call ye upon Him
while He is near.
7. Let the Wicked
forsake his Way,
and the Unrighteous Man
his Thoughts:
and let him return
unto The LORD,
and He will have Mercy
upon him;
and to our God,
for He will abundantly pardon.

8. "FOR MY THOUGHTS
(ARE) NOT YOUR THOUGHTS,
NEITHER ARE YOUR WAYS
MY WAYS," saith The LORD.
9. "FOR (AS) THE HEAVENS
ARE HIGHER
THAN THE EARTH,
SO ARE MY WAYS
HIGHER THAN YOUR WAYS,
AND MY THOUGHTS
THAN YOUR THOUGHTS.'

10. "For as the rain
cometh down,
and the snow from Heaven,
and returneth not thither,
but watereth the earth,
and maketh it bring forth
and bud,
that it may give seed
to the Sower,
and bread to the Eater:
11. "So shall My Word be
that goeth forth
out of My Mouth:
It shall not
return unto Me void,
but It shall accomplish
that which I please,
and It shall prosper
(in the thing)
whereto I sent It."

. 2^nd CHRONICLES 16:9.

9. "For The Eyes of The LORD
run to and fro throughout
the whole Earth,
to show Himself strong
on behalf of those
whose heart
is perfect toward Him.
Herein thou hast done foolishly:
therefore from henceforth
thou shalt have wars.”

. AMOS 3:3.

3. Can two walk together,
except they be agreed?"

. ZECHARIAH 4:10.

10. For who hath despised
The Day of Small Things?
For they shall rejoice,
and shall see the plummet
in the hand of Zerubbabel
with those seven;
they are The Eyes of The LORD,
Which run to and fro
through the whole Earth.

EARTHLY SPIRIT BEINGS OPERATE BY EARTHLY LAW: HEAVENLY SPIRITS OPERATE BY HEAVENLY LAW- HUMANS CAN CHOOSE TO LIVE BY EARTHLY LAW OR HEAVENLY LAW.

Therefore, Sinners can be compared to the Animals- but there are Animals in Heaven, too. Some of them have come to Earth, and manifested as SuperHuman Beings.

Humans Ascending into Heaven must devolve into Beasts, if they want to Translate beyond the THIRD HEAVEN.

[See: THE FIRE FROM WITHIN, by Carlos Castaneda (1985).]

orisa37:

AND THE SUPREME SPIRIT IN ALL HUMANS.

GOD IS NOT IN ALL HUMANS: THAT IS WHAT MAKES STUPIDITY, SIN, AND DEATH POSSIBLE.

. DEUTERONOMY 30:19-20.

19. I call Heaven and Earth
to record this day against you,
that I have set before you
Life and Death,
Blessing and Cursing:
therefore CHOOSE LIFE,

That both thou
and thy seed may live:

20. That thou mayest
love The LORD thy God,

And that thou mayest
obey His Voice,

and that thou mayest
cleave unto Him:

for He is thy Life,
and the Length of thy days:

That thou mayest dwell
in the land
which The LORD Sware
unto thy fathers,
to Abraham, to Isaac,
and to Jacob,
to give them.

. JOHN 12:42-50.

42. Nevertheless among
the chief Rulers also
many believed on him;
but because of the Pharisees
they did not confess him,
lest they should be
put out of the Synagogue:
43. For they loved
the praise of men
more than The Praise of God.

44. Jesus Cried and Said,

“He that believeth on me,
believeth not on me,
but on Him that sent me.
45. “And he that seeth me
seeth Him that sent me.
46. “I am come a Light
into the World,
that whosoever
believeth on me
should not
abide in Darkness.
47. “And if any man
hear my Words,
and believe not,
I judge him not:
for I came not
to judge the World,
but to save the World.
48. “He that rejecteth me,
and receiveth not my Words,
hath One that judgeth him:
The Word that I have Spoken,
the Same shall judge him
in The Last Day.
49. “For I have not
Spoken of myself;
but the Father which sent me,
He gave me a Commandment,
what I should Say,
and what I should Speak.
50. “And I know that
His Commandment
is Life Everlasting:
whatsoever I Speak therefore,
even as The Father Said unto me,
so I Speak."

. JOHN 14:1-28.

"LET not your hear
be troubled:
ye believe in God,
believe also in me.
2. "In my Father's House
there are Mansions:
if it were not so,
I would have told you.
3. "And if I go
and prepare a place for you,
I will come again,
and receive you unto myself;
that where I am,
there ye may be also.
4. "And whither I go ye know,
and The Way ye know."

5. Thomas saith unto him,

"Lord, we know not
whither thou goest;
and how can we
know The Way?"

6. Jesus Saith unto him,

"I am The Way,
The Truth,
and The Life:
no man cometh
unto The Father,
but by me.
7. "If ye had known me,
ye should have known
my Father also:
and from henceforth
ye know Him,
and have seen Him."

8. Philip saith unto him,

"Lord, shew us the Father,
and it sufficeth us."

9. Jesus Saith unto him,

"Have I been
so long time with you,
and yet hast thou not
known me, Philip?
He that hath seen me
hath seen The Father;
and how sayest thou then,

'SHEW US THE FATHER?'

10. "Believest thou not
that I am in The Father,
and The Father in me?
The Words that I Speak
unto you I Speak not
of myself:
but The Father
that dwelleth in me,
He doeth the Works.
11. "Believe me that I am
in The Father,
and The Father in me:
or else believe me
for the very Works' sake.
12. "Verily, verily,
I Say unto you,

'HE THAT BELIEVETH ON ME,
THE WORKS THAT I DO
SHALL HE DO ALSO;
AND GREATER WORKS
THAN THESE SHALL HE DO;
BECAUSE I GO
UNTO MY FATHER.'

13. "And whatsoever ye shall
ask in my Name,
that will I do,
that The Father may be
Glorified in The Son.
14. "If ye shall ask
any thing in my Name,
I will do it.
15. "If ye love me,
keep my Commandments.
16. "And I will pray The Father,
and He shall give you
another Comforter,
that He may abide with you
for ever;
17. "Even The Spirit of Truth;
Whom the World cannot receive,
because It seeth Him not,
neither knoweth Him:
but ye know Him;
for He dwelleth with you,
and shall be in you.
18. "I will not leave you comfortless:
I will come to you.
19. "Yet a little while,
and the World
seeth me no more;
but ye see me:
because I live,
ye shall live also.
20. "At that Day
ye shall know
that I am in my Father,
and ye in me,
and I in you.
21. "He that hath
my Commandments,
and keepeth them,
he it is that loveth me:
and he that loveth me
shall be loved of my Father,
and I will love him,
and will manifest myself to him."

22. Judas saith unto him,
not Iscariot,

"Lord, how is it
that thou wilt
manifest thyself
unto us,
and not unto the World?"

23. Jesus Answered
and Said unto him,

"If a man love me,
he will keep my Words:
and my Father will love him,
and we will come unto him,
and make our abode with him.
24. "He that loveth me not
keepeth not my Sayings:
and the Word which ye hear
is not mine,
but The Father's
Which sent me.
25. "These things
have I Spoken unto you,
being yet present with you.
26. "But The Comforter,
Which is The Holy Ghost,
Whom The Father will send
in my Name,
He shall Teach you
all things,
and bring all things
to your Remembrance,
whatsoever I have Said
unto you.
27. "Peace I leave with you,
my Peace I give unto you:
not as the World giveth,
give I unto you.
Let not your heart
be troubled,
neither let it be afraid.
28. "Ye have heard
how I Said unto you,

'I GO AWAY,
AND COME AGAIN
UNTO YOU.'

If ye loved me,
ye would rejoice,
because I Said,

'I GO UNTO THE FATHER:'

for my Father
is greater than I."

GOD IS, AND CAN ONLY BE, IN THOSE WHO CHOOSE LIFE- THOSE WHO OBEY HIS COMMANDMENTS OF LIFE, NO MATTER WHAT.

He cannot be in anyone else, without killing them.

orisa37:

HIS TERBANACLE IS A SPIRIT IN EVERY HUMAN.

PEOPLE WHO SAY THIS CANNOT CARE ABOUT EVERY HUMAN- THEY ARE ONLY SAYING THIS IN ORDER TO CLAIM AUTHORITY

oaroloye:


. MATTHEW 15:1-20.

THEN came to Jesus
scribes and Pharisees,
which were of Jerusalem,
saying,

2. "Why do thy Disciples
transgress the Tradition
of the Elders?
For they wash not
their hands when
they eat bread."

3. But he answered
and Said unto them,

"Why do ye also transgress
The Commandment of God
by your Tradition?
4. "For God Commanded,
Saying,

'HONOUR THY FATHER
AND MOTHER:
AND, HE THAT CURSETH
FATHER OR MOTHER
LET HIM DIE THE DEATH.'

5. "But ye say,

'WHOSOEVER SHALL SAY
TO HIS FATHER OR MOTHER,

"IT IS A GIFT,
BY WHATSOEVER
THOU MIGHTEST BE
PROFITED BY ME;"

6. 'AND HONOUR NOT
HIS FATHER OR HIS MOTHER,
HE SHALL BE FREE.'

Thus have ye made
The Commandment of God
of none effect
by your Tradition.
7. "Ye Hypocrites,
well did Esaias
Prophesy of you,
saying,

8. 'THIS PEOPLE
DRAWETH NIGH UNTO ME
WITH THEIR MOUTH,
AND HONOURETH ME
WITH THEIR LIPS;
BUT THEIR HEART
IS FAR FROM ME.
9. 'BUT IN VAIN
THEY DO WORSHIP ME,
TEACHING FOR DOCTRINES
THE COMMANDMENTS
OF MEN.' "

10. And he called the multitude,
and Said unto them,

"Hear, and understand:
11. "Not that which goeth
into the mouth defileth a man;
but that which cometh
out of the mouth,
this defileth a man."

12. Then came his Disciples,
and Said unto him,

"Knowest thou that
the Pharisees were offended,
after they heard this Saying?"

13. But he Answered
and Said,

"Every plant,
which my Heavenly Father
hath not Planted,
shall be rooted up.
14. "Let them alone:
they be blind leaders
of the blind.
And if the blind lead the blind,
both shall fall into the ditch."

15. Then answered Peter
and said unto him,

"Declare unto us this Parable."

16. And Jesus Said,

"Are ye also yet
without understanding?
17. "Do not ye yet understand,
that whatsoever entereth in
at the mouth
goeth into the belly,
and is cast out
into the draught?
18. "But those things
which proceed
out of the mouth
come forth from the heart;
and they defile the man.
19. "For out of the heart
proceed Evil Thoughts,
Murders, Adulteries,
Fornications, Thefts,
False Witness, Blasphemies:
20. These are the things
which defile a man:
but to eat with
unwashen hands
defileth not a man."

GOD- ACCORDING TO YOU- IS OMNIPOTENT, OMNISCIENT, AND OMNIPRESENT- IF THAT IS TRUE, HOW CAN WE HAVE SIN, SICKNESS, PAIN, POVERTY, WEAKNESS, IGNORANCE, CONFUSION, MADNESS, AND DEATH.

Such stupid Doctrines depend on ATTENTION-DEFICIT DISORDER inability to THINK about OBVIOUS EXCEPTIONS to your stupid Theory that YOU and THOSE HEEDING this your BULLSHIT all know about.

orisa37:

ON THE SABBATH DAY HE RESTS IN ALL HUMANS.

ON THE BASIS OF THIS STUPID THEORY, THEY WANTED TO EXECUTE LORD YESHUA, SAYING THAT YAHWEH GOD COULD NOT POSSIBLY BE WORKING ON THE SABBATH DAY.

What function does God have in Man that you have observed or postulated, that ceases on every Sabbath Day?

OBVIOUSLY, YOU ARE JUST MAKING UP FOOLISH LIES, TO DECEIVE AND DESTROY AS MANY AS YOU CAN, ALONG WITH YOU!

orisa37:
GOD IS OMNILIGHT, OMNIGOOD AND OMNILIFE. HE IS SIMPLY AND COMPLEXLY OMNICAPABLE.

THIS IS HYPOCRITICAL DRIVEL, MERELY MEANT TO MESMERIZE THE WEAK-MINDED.

All these useless Attributes are in every insane, ignorant, and dying Human there is- according to you, right?

orisa37:

MAY ALL RICHES, WEALTH, POWER, MIGHT, HONOUR, GLORY, MAJESTIES, WORSHIP, SECURITY, SAFETY AND SUCCESS BE HIS FOR EVER AMEN.

I AM REMINDED OF THE SCENE IN THE MOVIE SHOGUN, BASED ON THE TRUE LIFE STORY OF WILL ADAMS, THE FIRST ENGLISHMAN TO LAND ON JAPAN.

Given a lordship, he was drinking with his men, and thinking to complement his Chief Archer, he toasted him, with: "MAY THE GODS GIVE YOU A STEADY ARM!"

The Archer was deeply offended at that!

Without riding from where he was seated, he deployed his bow, nocked arrows, and fired them one at a time, through the wall of the house. (Which was made of paper.)

The arrows exited through the same tiny hole. (This film was shot before the invention of CGI.) He later went outside to verify that the arrows all hit the same post (whose position he was aware of, without looking,) and all entered the same hole.

The point (no pun intended,) was that in Japan, you don't pray for the gods to give you what you already have. There was nothing wrong with that guy's arm.

orisa37:

HE IS GOD IN HEAVEN, LORDGOD IN TRANSIT AND OUR LORD ON EARTH. BLESSED ARE YOU KING OF THE UNIVERSE. THE MOST SUPREME KING IN HEAVEN. THANK YOU.

THERE IS NO WAY THAT YOU BELIEVE IN THE ONE REAL GOD.

You don't know the first thing about Him, and are just making up drivel.

LordReed:
What does he need to do but sit back and watch porn?

GOD DOES NOT WATCH SINNERS, BECAUSE HE WOULD EITHER HAVE YO JUDGE THEM, OR BE COMPLICIT IN THEIR SINS.

Atheists think themselves so important, that if God Existed, He must watch their every move, and project their children from molesters, murderers, and diseases.

As if they deserved His Help.

orisa37:
GOD DOES WHAT EVERYONE DOES ON A DAILY BASIS AND REVIEWS AND CONTROLS THEM FOR FURTHER ACTIONS.

IF GOD DOES WHAT EVERYONE DOES, THEN HE IS A BIPOLAR SCHIZOPHRENIC MANIAC, DOING BOTH GOOD AND EVIL.

How does that work?

That is not The God The Bible Teaches: who fights with His people against Evil.

Here is what GOD does:

. THE TEN TALENTS OF POWER. (Matt. 25:1-30.)

1. TOTAL RECALL.
2. EXTRASENSORY PERCEPTION.
3. TELEKINESIS.
4. TELEPORTATION.
5. TRANSLATION.
6-10. EVERLASTING LIFE.

God is with those who agree with Him on PERCEPTIONS and RECALLS.

God is with those who agree with Him on Power over MEST.

God is with those who agree with Him on EVERLASTING LIFE.

He is not with those who DOUBT those things.

hupernikao:


Man is helpless, he has no ability or capability to help himself, he is dead to life and light. The more he tried to help himself, the more he found out his incapability to help himself.

THAT YOU WERE NEVER TAUGHT HISTORY IN SCHOOL IS NO EXCUSE FOR SUCH IMBECILIC IGNORANCE!

Tamaratonye1:

Only an idiot, or a profoundly dishonest mind, would regard that premise as true. Mr. Hupernikao you are either one or the other. Further, that sentiment is one of the most vile, corrosive sentiments ever concocted by religious zealots, that can only have emerged from minds that regard themselves with a deep and deadly disdain.

PROOF OF THE ADAGE: "EVEN A BUSTED-ASS CLOCK CAN GIVE THE RIGHT TIME TWICE IN ONE DAY!"

hupernikao:


He needs help, beyond his riches, technology, advancement and exploit. He will never find satisfaction in it. Because this never solve the problem or handles man's problem that always expose his incapability and helplessness to him.

Tamaratonye1:

That seems odd to me because I've done perfectly fine and prospered without the help of God ever since I came out as an atheist in 2006

"A BUSTED CLOCK CAN BE CORRECT TWICE IN ONE DAY."

Not this time, however.

You only THINK you are prospering, but you are not.

YOUR BRAIN CREATES 1,500 NEW NEURONS EVERY DAY- WHILE 50,000 DIE.

These are a priceless resource.

STEVE JOBS became a BILLIONAIRE ATHEIST- then came down with PANCREATIC CANCER. He tried BUYING a Pancreas- but it failed.

What shall it profit a man...

Tamaratonye1:

The Christian god probably sits around the house and paints his nails.

LordReed:


Bwahahahahaha! No wonder he loves bisexual porn. LMFAO!

BLASPHEMY IS FUN- UNTIL THE DAY YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR IT.

kingxsamz:
Lol, they say faith without work is useless. If faith needs work, then faith is useless on its own. You only need work to get results.

THE MORE UNDERSTANDING YOU HAVE, THE LESS MEST YOU NEED.

With TOTAL UNDERSTANDING, you need neither MATTER, ENERGY, SPACE, nor TIME- only your MIND.

oaroloye:

BLASPHEMY IS FUN- UNTIL THE DAY YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR IT.

Is the payment cash or transfer? LMAO!

oaroloye:
MISHIGAS!



IT IS THE HEIGHT OF FOOLISHNESS TO EXAGGERATE THE ATTRIBUTES OF YAHWEH GOD: HE HAS NEVER CLAIMED TO POSSESS ATTRIBUTES OF OMNIPOTENCE, OMNISCIENCE, NOR OMNIPRESENCE.

The first four chapters of THE BOOK OF GENESIS categorically rule out such a Doctrine.

God took finite Time to create the Earth in stages. An OMNIPOTENT BEING would have created everything in an instant- or at least one day.

He had to cross-examine Adam to discover the facts of The Fall of Man.

An OMNISCIENT BEING tells you what happened, and needs to ask nothing.

An OMNIPRESENT BEING cannot DEPART and RETURN, nor express ignorance about what happened in His ABSENCE.

God was unable to repair the damage caused by The Fall of Man.

None of those spurious Attributes was on hand to save FAVOURED ABEL.

GOD was not OMNISCIENT to predict his murder by Cain, nor perceive it happening.

GOD was not OMNIPRESENT to be there to know what happened.

GOD was not OMNIPOTENT to prevent nor reverse the killing.

ATHEISTS AND RELIGIOUS HYPOCRITES, CRITICIZING OR EXAGGERATINGTHE BIBLE, KNOW ALL THESE FACTS- YET PRETEND NOT YO KNOW THEM, IN ORDER TO DISTORT THE CONCEPT OF GOD.

Why am I the only one talking about this?

THERE ARE EIGHT LEVELS OF EXISTENCE: SEVEN HEAVENLY, AND THE EARTHLY.

These levels differ in Spiritual Energy, Wisdom and Understanding.

. JOB 28:28.

28. "And unto Man He Said,

'BEHOLD,
THE FEAR OF THE LORD,
THAT IS WISDOM;
AND TO DEPART FROM EVIL,
IS UNDERSTANDING.' "

. JOB 39:13-18.

13. "Gavest thou the goodly wings
unto the peacocks?
or wings and feathers
unto the ostrich?
14. "Which leaveth
her eggs in the earth,
and warmeth them in dust,
15. "And forgetteth
that the foot may crush them,
or that the wild beast
may break them.
16. "She is hardened
against her young ones,
as though they were not her's:
her labour is in vain without fear;
17. "Because God hath
deprived her of Wisdom,
neither hath He
imparted to her Understanding.
18." What time she
lifteth up herself on high,
she scorneth
the horse and his rider."

. PSALM 111:10.

10. The Fear of The LORD
is The Beginning of Wisdom:
a Good Understanding
have all they
that do His Commandments:
His Praise endureth for ever.

. PROVERBS 1:7.

7. The Fear of The LORD
is The Beginning of Knowledge:
but Fools despise
Wisdom and Instruction.

. PROVERBS 9:10.

10. The Fear of The LORD
is The Beginning of Wisdom:
and The Knowledge of
The Holy is Understanding.

.   ISAIAH 55:6-11.

6. Seek ye The LORD,
while He may be found,
call ye upon Him
while He is near.
7. Let the Wicked
forsake his Way,
and the Unrighteous Man
his Thoughts:
and let him return
unto The LORD,
and He will have Mercy
upon him;
and to our God,
for He will abundantly pardon.

8. "FOR MY THOUGHTS
(ARE) NOT YOUR THOUGHTS,
NEITHER ARE YOUR WAYS
MY WAYS," saith The LORD.
9. "FOR (AS) THE HEAVENS
ARE HIGHER
THAN THE EARTH,
SO ARE MY WAYS
HIGHER THAN YOUR WAYS,
AND MY THOUGHTS
THAN YOUR THOUGHTS.'

10. "For as the rain
cometh down,
and the snow from Heaven,
and returneth not thither,
but watereth the earth,
and maketh it bring forth
and bud,
that it may give seed
to the Sower,
and bread to the Eater:
11. "So shall My Word be
that goeth forth
out of My Mouth:
It shall not
return unto Me void,
but It shall accomplish
that which I please,
and It shall prosper
(in the thing)
whereto I sent It."

. 2^nd CHRONICLES 16:9.

9. "For The Eyes of The LORD
run to and fro throughout
the whole Earth,
to show Himself strong
on behalf of those
whose heart
is perfect toward Him.
Herein thou hast done foolishly:
therefore from henceforth
thou shalt have wars.”

. AMOS 3:3.

3. Can two walk together,
except they be agreed?"

. ZECHARIAH 4:10.

10. For who hath despised
The Day of Small Things?
For they shall rejoice,
and shall see the plummet
in the hand of Zerubbabel
with those seven;
they are The Eyes of The LORD,
Which run to and fro
through the whole Earth.

EARTHLY SPIRIT BEINGS OPERATE BY EARTHLY LAW: HEAVENLY SPIRITS OPERATE BY HEAVENLY LAW- HUMANS CAN CHOOSE TO LIVE BY EARTHLY LAW OR HEAVENLY LAW.

Therefore, Sinners can be compared to the Animals- but there are Animals in Heaven, too. Some of them have come to Earth, and manifested as SuperHuman Beings.

Humans Ascending into Heaven must devolve into Beasts, if they want to Translate beyond the THIRD HEAVEN.

[See: THE FIRE FROM WITHIN, by Carlos Castaneda (1985).]



GOD IS NOT IN ALL HUMANS: THAT IS WHAT MAKES STUPIDITY, SIN, AND DEATH POSSIBLE.

. DEUTERONOMY 30:19-20.

19. I call Heaven and Earth
to record this day against you,
that I have set before you
Life and Death,
Blessing and Cursing:
therefore CHOOSE LIFE,

That both thou
and thy seed may live:

20. That thou mayest
love The LORD thy God,

And that thou mayest
obey His Voice,

and that thou mayest
cleave unto Him:

for He is thy Life,
and the Length of thy days:

That thou mayest dwell
in the land
which The LORD Sware
unto thy fathers,
to Abraham, to Isaac,
and to Jacob,
to give them.

. JOHN 12:42-50.

42. Nevertheless among
the chief Rulers also
many believed on him;
but because of the Pharisees
they did not confess him,
lest they should be
put out of the Synagogue:
43. For they loved
the praise of men
more than The Praise of God.

44. Jesus Cried and Said,

“He that believeth on me,
believeth not on me,
but on Him that sent me.
45. “And he that seeth me
seeth Him that sent me.
46. “I am come a Light
into the World,
that whosoever
believeth on me
should not
abide in Darkness.
47. “And if any man
hear my Words,
and believe not,
I judge him not:
for I came not
to judge the World,
but to save the World.
48. “He that rejecteth me,
and receiveth not my Words,
hath One that judgeth him:
The Word that I have Spoken,
the Same shall judge him
in The Last Day.
49. “For I have not
Spoken of myself;
but the Father which sent me,
He gave me a Commandment,
what I should Say,
and what I should Speak.
50. “And I know that
His Commandment
is Life Everlasting:
whatsoever I Speak therefore,
even as The Father Said unto me,
so I Speak."

. JOHN 14:1-28.

"LET not your hear
be troubled:
ye believe in God,
believe also in me.
2. "In my Father's House
there are Mansions:
if it were not so,
I would have told you.
3. "And if I go
and prepare a place for you,
I will come again,
and receive you unto myself;
that where I am,
there ye may be also.
4. "And whither I go ye know,
and The Way ye know."

5. Thomas saith unto him,

"Lord, we know not
whither thou goest;
and how can we
know The Way?"

6. Jesus Saith unto him,

"I am The Way,
The Truth,
and The Life:
no man cometh
unto The Father,
but by me.
7. "If ye had known me,
ye should have known
my Father also:
and from henceforth
ye know Him,
and have seen Him."

8. Philip saith unto him,

"Lord, shew us the Father,
and it sufficeth us."

9. Jesus Saith unto him,

"Have I been
so long time with you,
and yet hast thou not
known me, Philip?
He that hath seen me
hath seen The Father;
and how sayest thou then,

'SHEW US THE FATHER?'

10. "Believest thou not
that I am in The Father,
and The Father in me?
The Words that I Speak
unto you I Speak not
of myself:
but The Father
that dwelleth in me,
He doeth the Works.
11. "Believe me that I am
in The Father,
and The Father in me:
or else believe me
for the very Works' sake.
12. "Verily, verily,
I Say unto you,

'HE THAT BELIEVETH ON ME,
THE WORKS THAT I DO
SHALL HE DO ALSO;
AND GREATER WORKS
THAN THESE SHALL HE DO;
BECAUSE I GO
UNTO MY FATHER.'

13. "And whatsoever ye shall
ask in my Name,
that will I do,
that The Father may be
Glorified in The Son.
14. "If ye shall ask
any thing in my Name,
I will do it.
15. "If ye love me,
keep my Commandments.
16. "And I will pray The Father,
and He shall give you
another Comforter,
that He may abide with you
for ever;
17. "Even The Spirit of Truth;
Whom the World cannot receive,
because It seeth Him not,
neither knoweth Him:
but ye know Him;
for He dwelleth with you,
and shall be in you.
18. "I will not leave you comfortless:
I will come to you.
19. "Yet a little while,
and the World
seeth me no more;
but ye see me:
because I live,
ye shall live also.
20. "At that Day
ye shall know
that I am in my Father,
and ye in me,
and I in you.
21. "He that hath
my Commandments,
and keepeth them,
he it is that loveth me:
and he that loveth me
shall be loved of my Father,
and I will love him,
and will manifest myself to him."

22. Judas saith unto him,
not Iscariot,

"Lord, how is it
that thou wilt
manifest thyself
unto us,
and not unto the World?"

23. Jesus Answered
and Said unto him,

"If a man love me,
he will keep my Words:
and my Father will love him,
and we will come unto him,
and make our abode with him.
24. "He that loveth me not
keepeth not my Sayings:
and the Word which ye hear
is not mine,
but The Father's
Which sent me.
25. "These things
have I Spoken unto you,
being yet present with you.
26. "But The Comforter,
Which is The Holy Ghost,
Whom The Father will send
in my Name,
He shall Teach you
all things,
and bring all things
to your Remembrance,
whatsoever I have Said
unto you.
27. "Peace I leave with you,
my Peace I give unto you:
not as the World giveth,
give I unto you.
Let not your heart
be troubled,
neither let it be afraid.
28. "Ye have heard
how I Said unto you,

'I GO AWAY,
AND COME AGAIN
UNTO YOU.'

If ye loved me,
ye would rejoice,
because I Said,

'I GO UNTO THE FATHER:'

for my Father
is greater than I."

GOD IS, AND CAN ONLY BE, IN THOSE WHO CHOOSE LIFE- THOSE WHO OBEY HIS COMMANDMENTS OF LIFE, NO MATTER WHAT.

He cannot be in anyone else, without killing them.



PEOPLE WHO SAY THIS CANNOT CARE ABOUT EVERY HUMAN- THEY ARE ONLY SAYING THIS IN ORDER TO CLAIM AUTHORITY



GOD- ACCORDING TO YOU- IS OMNIPOTENT, OMNISCIENT, AND OMNIPRESENT- IF THAT IS TRUE, HOW CAN WE HAVE SIN, SICKNESS, PAIN, POVERTY, WEAKNESS, IGNORANCE, CONFUSION, MADNESS, AND DEATH.

Such stupid Doctrines depend on ATTENTION-DEFICIT DISORDER inability to THINK about OBVIOUS EXCEPTIONS to your stupid Theory that YOU and THOSE HEEDING this your BULLSHIT all know about.



ON THE BASIS OF THIS STUPID THEORY, THEY WANTED TO EXECUTE LORD YESHUA, SAYING THAT YAHWEH GOD COULD NOT POSSIBLY BE WORKING ON THE SABBATH DAY.

What function does God have in Man that you have observed or postulated, that ceases on every Sabbath Day?

OBVIOUSLY, YOU ARE JUST MAKING UP FOOLISH LIES, TO DECEIVE AND DESTROY AS MANY AS YOU CAN, ALONG WITH YOU!



THIS IS HYPOCRITICAL DRIVEL, MERELY MEANT TO MESMERIZE THE WEAK-MINDED.

All these useless Attributes are in every insane, ignorant, and dying Human there is- according to you, right?



I AM REMINDED OF THE SCENE IN THE MOVIE SHOGUN, BASED ON THE TRUE LIFE STORY OF WILL ADAMS, THE FIRST ENGLISHMAN TO LAND ON JAPAN.

Given a lordship, he was drinking with his men, and thinking to complement his Chief Archer, he toasted him, with: "MAY THE GODS GIVE YOU A STEADY ARM!"

The Archer was deeply offended at that!

Without riding from where he was seated, he deployed his bow, nocked arrows, and fired them one at a time, through the wall of the house. (Which was made of paper.)

The arrows exited through the same tiny hole. (This film was shot before the invention of CGI.) He later went outside to verify that the arrows all hit the same post (whose position he was aware of, without looking,) and all entered the same hole.

The point (no pun intended,) was that in Japan, you don't pray for the gods to give you what you already have. There was nothing wrong with that guy's arm.



THERE IS NO WAY THAT YOU BELIEVE IN THE ONE REAL GOD.

You don't know the first thing about Him, and are just making up drivel.



GOD DOES NOT WATCH SINNERS, BECAUSE HE WOULD EITHER HAVE YO JUDGE THEM, OR BE COMPLICIT IN THEIR SINS.

Atheists think themselves so important, that if God Existed, He must watch their every move, and project their children from molesters, murderers, and diseases.

As if they deserved His Help.



IF GOD DOES WHAT EVERYONE DOES, THEN HE IS A BIPOLAR SCHIZOPHRENIC MANIAC, DOING BOTH GOOD AND EVIL.

How does that work?

That is not The God The Bible Teaches: who fights with His people against Evil.

Here is what GOD does:

. THE TEN TALENTS OF POWER. (Matt. 25:1-30.)

1. TOTAL RECALL.
2. EXTRASENSORY PERCEPTION.
3. TELEKINESIS.
4. TELEPORTATION.
5. TRANSLATION.
6-10. EVERLASTING LIFE.

God is with those who agree with Him on PERCEPTIONS and RECALLS.

God is with those who agree with Him on Power over MEST.

God is with those who agree with Him on EVERLASTING LIFE.

He is not with those who DOUBT those things.



THAT YOU WERE NEVER TAUGHT HISTORY IN SCHOOL IS NO EXCUSE FOR SUCH IMBECILIC IGNORANCE!



PROOF OF THE ADAGE: "EVEN A BUSTED-ASS CLOCK CAN GIVE THE RIGHT TIME TWICE IN ONE DAY!"





"A BUSTED CLOCK CAN BE CORRECT TWICE IN ONE DAY."

Not this time, however.

You only THINK you are prospering, but you are not.

YOUR BRAIN CREATES 1,500 NEW NEURONS EVERY DAY- WHILE 50,000 DIE.

These are a priceless resource.

STEVE JOBS became a BILLIONAIRE ATHEIST- then came down with PANCREATIC CANCER. He tried BUYING a Pancreas- but it failed.

What shall it profit a man...





BLASPHEMY IS FUN- UNTIL THE DAY YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR IT.



THE MORE UNDERSTANDING YOU HAVE, THE LESS MEST YOU NEED.

With TOTAL UNDERSTANDING, you need neither MATTER, ENERGY, SPACE, nor TIME- only your MIND.

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Half of great writing or speaking is not saying everything that you can say.

People who talk too much are tiresome, especially those who are not informative, thought-provoking, or funny.

Which do you believe most likely to enter an insane convention, a body of English gentlemen honoured by the favour of their Sovereign and the confidence of their fellow-subjects, managing your affairs for five years, I hope with prudence, and not altogether without success, or a sophistical rhetorician, inebriated with the exuberance of his own verbosity, and gifted with an egotistical imagination that can at all times command an interminable and inconsistent series of arguments to malign an opponent and to glorify himself?

-Benjamin Disraeli

In some places he draws the thread of his verbosity finer than the staple of his argument.

-Dr. Porson, of Gibbon's Decline and Fall, quoted in the Letters to Travis.

Verbosity wastes a portion of the reader’s or listener’s life

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GodHead85:

Not sure which Bible you're reading ...

......and I sure hope you have nothing to do with teaching it.

John 6:44 "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day."

The gods are in charge in your cult......
Jesus said so.

How does this relates to you helping yourself before God help you.

It is on nairaland I see one who never hold a book before claiming to be a professor of it.

What has what you wrote proven that man has to help himself before God help. Or you mixed or missed the topic?

Bro, go read well please.

Tamaratonye1:

Just in case it missed you, but I know it didn't because I now recognize your modus operandi, which is to hand wave apparent facts away anytime you get cornered in an argument; I've already addressed your arguments on "man's help" in this thread so it's intellectually lazy and quite insulting to come back and claim your stance is still valid without any reasonable... .

I have told you, that you are only trying to make a point where points never exist. You will need more than trying to make point to discuss with me. You will likewise need more than emotional grip to address my response.


Firstly, you spoke about Christians, yet claim you aren't referring to Bible, what do you call that in basic grammar. A Christian outside the bible? You should rather take away Christian from your discussion then we can take the effect of bible from it.

But sadly, you aren't ready to take correction that you made a mistake with your quote.


Secondly, you referred to Christians as an entity, your claim posed as one who have met all Christians in this world and know the quote they used. Now revealing to you that, not all Christians hold such view and such isn't even biblical, you took it for a fight. Is this how you fight when you are wrong.

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Thirdly, you rush too much to conclusion. And mostly they are based on assumption. You will need to be open to be taught what exactly the Bible teaches than making assumption informed from wrong classes you have taken in your sojourn in Christian meetings.

Why did I say that?
Thinking I am an Arminianist or a Calvinist is a funny assumption. I never hold any of the view. I hold Bible view and have many reservation on the views above.

But note, like I said. Man is absolutely helpless. That is not Calvinism, that is the scriptures. But your helplessness is not God's doing, it's man's doing. Hence God never imposed or forced such helpless situation in man.

You need to ask for explanation, you must learn the true Bible, that is how your criticism will be real. All these you are saying about the Bible is absolutely in divergence to all the Bible stands for, they were never taught in the Bible.

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What I mean is that, you have been fed with wrong information and your knowledge and mindset is built around this. You must seek proper knowledge of what you criticized, that is the wisdom in being a good critic.


But for now, all your points about the Bible, as I read they, they are only showing me one thing. You have a wrong background in scriptural truth, you have been fed with lies by one who either deliberately or accidental fed you with false doctrine. It shows in all your write up.


I will only start to take your criticism serious when you start presenting the Bible the right way in your criticism. For now I don't see you as a critic of the scriptures, but one who need to be taught properly and rightly. And you must receive that with humility.

hupernikao:


I have told you, that you are only trying to make a point where points never exist. You will need more than trying to make point to discuss with me. You will likewise need more than emotional grip to address my response.


Firstly, you spoke about Christians, yet claim you aren't referring to Bible, what do you call that in basic grammar. A Christian outside the bible? You should rather take away Christian from your discussion then we can take the effect of bible from it.

But sadly, you aren't ready to take correction that you made a mistake with your quote.


Secondly, you referred to Christians as an entity, your claim posed as one who have met all Christians in this world and know the quote they used. Now revealing to you that, not all Christians hold such view and such isn't even biblical, you took it for a fight. Is this how you fight when you are wrong.

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Thirdly, you rush too much to conclusion. And mostly they are based on assumption. You will need to be open to be taught what exactly the Bible teaches than making assumption informed from wrong classes you have taken in your sojourn in Christian meetings.

Why did I say that?
Thinking I am an Arminianist or a Calvinist is a funny assumption. I never hold any of the view. I hold Bible view and have many reservation on the views above.

But note, like I said. Man is absolutely helpless. That is not Calvinism, that is the scriptures. But your helplessness is not God's doing, it's man's doing. Hence God never imposed or forced such helpless situation in man.

You need to ask for explanation, you must learn the true Bible, that is how your criticism will be real. All these you are saying about the Bible is absolutely in divergence to all the Bible stands for, they were never taught in the Bible.

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What I mean is that, you have been fed with wrong information and your knowledge and mindset is built around this. You must seek proper knowledge of what you criticized, that is the wisdom in being a good critic.


But for now, all your points about the Bible, as I read they, they are only showing me one thing. You have a wrong background in scriptural truth, you have been fed with lies by one who either deliberately or accidental fed you with false doctrine. It shows in all your write up.


I will only start to take your criticism serious when you start presenting the Bible the right way in your criticism. For now I don't see you as a critic of the scriptures, but one who need to be taught properly and rightly. And you must receive that with humility.

If we no get money

Wetin we gain??

Wetin we gain?


If we no get money

Wetin we gain??

Wetin we gain??

Wetin we gain??

It's ironic that you accuse me of being emotional since all I've pointed out to you here are cold, hard and bitter pills of truth which, evidently and understandably, you find so very painful to swallow. No matter how much you try to dodge and slither, the naked lies you have told on this thread bear me witness to your unparalleled dishonesty.

hupernikao:

I have told you, that you are only trying to make a point where points never exist. You will need more than trying to make point to discuss with me. You will likewise need more than emotional grip to address my response.

Repeating yourself like a broken record is typical of you when you're seriously out of your depth. I'm used to you by now. See you continuously fighting to so hard to escape the 7 feet grave you so magnanimously dug out for yourself. Unfortunately your indignant repetition is doing very little for you here.

And let this be the last time I warn you about your patronizing attitude. Your post reeks of smug condescension. This is your final warning. Keep it up and the tone in my next response to you will be 100% justified.

hupernikao:

Firstly, you spoke about Christians, yet claim you aren't referring to Bible, what do you call that in basic grammar. A Christian outside the bible? You should rather take away Christian from your discussion then we can take the effect of bible from it.

It doesn't matter how many times you bring this up to save face, I'll continue to rebut it a thousand fold.

Tamaratonye1:
... I was specifically referring to the things Christians generally teach and advocate, not the Bible. This is precisely why I noted it as a cognitive dissonance in Christianity ...

Tamaratonye1:
It is true that "god helps those who help themselves" is not in the Bible.... But that wasn't the point of bringing it up. Many Christians regularly use and repeat it. Doubtless not the ones as enlightened about the scriptures as you fancy yourself, lol. But it's out there just the same. So your defense is true to an extent, but nonetheless splitting hairs.

The funny thing is, you actually support my position more and more with your posts. The initial quote in my original post concerning "heaven helps those...." is a major staple among most Christians nowadays.

You keep harping on and on about me getting the wrong interpretation of scriptures from Christian instructors and needing to be taught properly. I would have accepted your claims and say I was wrong, except your defense raises even more serious problems, and you obviously haven't bothered to sit and ask yourself the honest and important question: Why do so many people, even so called Christians, misrepresent the Bible and draw different conclusions from it? Futhermore, how do I know that my interpretation of scriptures is correct and everyone else is wrong?. You don't want to ask these questions because you know that they rudely interrupt your fantasies and easily call them into question. You don't find it convenient, so you choose to cling to your myopic, subjective reasoning.

Now I don't know if you missed all of this or if you're just too smart for your own good ( ), but these are two major facts of life I want to bring to your awareness, hupernikao.

[1] You may be smart, but there's a difference between being smart, and being knowledgeable. In fact, there's a whole world of difference between the two.

[2] You might think you're having a field day, deceiving other people. But the truth is you're actually deceiving yourself. And self-deception is always a precursor to self-sabotage.

hupernikao:

Secondly, you referred to Christians as an entity, your claim posed as one who have met all Christians in this world and know the quote they used.

I apologize if this is the impression you got from my topic, as I certainly didn't intend to mean all Christians.

hupernikao:

Thirdly, you rush too much to conclusion.

A very interesting accusation, given what you did in your next quote:

hupernikao:

Thinking I am an Arminianist or a Calvinist is a funny assumption. I never hold any of the view. I hold Bible view and have many reservation on the views above.

Can't say I'm surprised you had the audacity to say this. I already saw it coming, in your desperation to push all your baseless narratives through your dishonest dodging and slithering, that you will soon stoop to telling bare faced lies. This was my statement in my previous post

Tamaratonye1:
...the scriptures you speak of are, by design, vague enough that there isn't wide agreement on many important aspects of what they supposedly mean? That is why you have people drawing completely different conclusions from the same book... Arminianism vs Calvinism is a good case in point

You clearly didn't read my last post properly. Talk about rushing into conclusions and making assumptions. Tell me more about reading and understanding deeply. You don't even practice what you preach. You keep proving just how much of a fake you are. You keep claiming access to esoteric wisdom when your signature is ignorance. I never appended any tag to you and you know it.

hupernikao:

But note, like I said. Man is absolutely helpless.

You are the only person who's helpless. You're also hopeless. This discourse alone is ample proof of that

Tamaratonye1:
Your entire argument is a variation on the teaching of the "utter depravity" of man. Its purpose is to create the demand for assistance that is not needed. If you buy that you are "helpless" then you will require the "help" offered to you by the belief-system - or at least you will be convinced that you cannot function without it.

There are certainly people who expect to "find satisfaction" in wealth, toys, status and acclaim, but the false dichotomy is that those things are 100% of what is available to people to make meaning and find purpose for themselves, apart from what it's claimed that god or his church offers. In reality, though, empathy, kindness, humility, and contentment are not beyond our ken. They are just not, for the most part, for most people, most of the time, automatic and have to be developed.

Conversely, sociopathy, cruelty, arrogance and acquisitiveness are entirely within the grasp of theists as well - even devout and observant theists. The fallacy you're advancing is that morality, ethics, and "right living" if you will, begin and end with the teachings of the scriptures, when in fact they're all in the public domain at the expense of just ordinary self-reflection and patience.

Keep dodging

hupernikao:

I will only start to take your criticism serious when you start presenting the Bible the right way in your criticism. For now I don't see you as a critic of the scriptures, but one who need to be taught properly and rightly. And you must receive that with humility.

I was suckled on the Bible and ended up spending a year at Bible institute after high school, and spent every minute I could spare volunteering at church for years after. I have likely forgotten more of the Bible than you currently know.

Everyone who claims to "rightly" understand the scriptures simply dismisses anything that they disagree with as error". You are no different in that regard. And back in the day, I was no different. I know from experience how believers insulate themselves from the cognitive dissonance created by their departures from reason. It spares you having to engage in honest discourse, and most importantly, it means you don't have to engage with the actual points anyone raises with you.

Unless and until you leave the reality distortion field that you exist in, as I did, you'll never even see the arrogance in your statement I quoted above, much less the thin air under you feet where you think you are standing on solid ground.

But in the end, the choice is yours

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Tamaratonye1 to hupernikao:
You are scripture driven from the position of belief. It has never occurred to you to examine historical context, prose, accuracy, or translation. You accept it all at face value with no doubts whatsoever. That's why you're a Christian; you have been conditioned to accept it all as truth and never question anything.

And that's why you will never understand how other non Christians view your belief system. You are incapable of understanding it because you don't want to hear it in the first place.

hupernikao:


How does this relates to you helping yourself before God help you.

It is on nairaland I see one who never hold a book before claiming to be a professor of it.

What has what you wrote proven that man has to help himself before God help. Or you mixed or missed the topic?

Bro, go read well please.

Ok

if you don't mind, I want to ask you some questions....
1. How old were you when you first came to believe in God?
2 Had you read the Bible before you became a believer?
3. What specifically convinced you that Bible God was real?

Tamaratonye1:
It's ironic that you accuse me of being emotional since all I've pointed out to you here are cold, hard and bitter pills of truth which, evidently and understandably, you find so very painful to swallow. No matter how much you try to dodge and slither, the naked lies you have told on this thread bear me witness to your unparalleled dishonesty.


Repeating yourself like a broken record is typical of you when you're seriously out of your depth. I'm used to you by now. See you continuously fighting to so hard to escape the 7 feet grave you so magnanimously dug out for yourself. Unfortunately your indignant repetition is doing very little for you here.

And let this be the last time I warn you about your patronizing attitude. Your post reeks of smug condescension. This is your final warning. Keep it up and the tone in my next response to you will be 100% justified.


It doesn't matter how many times you bring this up to save face, I'll continue to rebut it a thousand fold.



The funny thing is, you actually support my position more and more with your posts. The initial quote in my original post concerning "heaven helps those...." is a major staple among most Christians nowadays.

You keep harping on and on about me getting the wrong interpretation of scriptures from Christian instructors and needing to be taught properly. I would have accepted your claims and say I was wrong, except your defense raises even more serious problems, and you obviously haven't bothered to sit and ask yourself the honest and important question: Why do so many people, even so called Christians, misrepresent the Bible and draw different conclusions from it? Futhermore, how do I know that my interpretation of scriptures is correct and everyone else is wrong?. You don't want to ask these questions because you know that they rudely interrupt your fantasies and easily call them into question. You don't find it convenient, so you choose to cling to your myopic, subjective reasoning.

Now I don't know if you missed all of this or if you're just too smart for your own good ( ), but these are two major facts of life I want to bring to your awareness, hupernikao.

[1] You may be smart, but there's a difference between being smart, and being knowledgeable. In fact, there's a whole world of difference between the two.

[2] You might think you're having a field day, deceiving other people. But the truth is you're actually deceiving yourself. And self-deception is always a precursor to self-sabotage.


I apologize if this is the impression you got from my topic, as I certainly didn't intend to mean all Christians.


A very interesting accusation, given what you did in your next quote:


Can't say I'm surprised you had the audacity to say this. I already saw it coming, in your desperation to push all your baseless narratives through your dishonest dodging and slithering, that you will soon stoop to telling bare faced lies. This was my statement in my previous post



You clearly didn't read my last post properly. Talk about rushing into conclusions and making assumptions. Tell me more about reading and understanding deeply. You don't even practice what you preach. You keep proving just how much of a fake you are. You keep claiming access to esoteric wisdom when your signature is ignorance. I never appended any tag to you and you know it.


You are the only person who's helpless. You're also hopeless. This discourse alone is ample proof of that



Keep dodging


I was suckled on the Bible and ended up spending a year at Bible institute after high school, and spent every minute I could spare volunteering at church for years after. I have likely forgotten more of the Bible than you currently know.

Everyone who claims to "rightly" understand the scriptures simply dismisses anything that they disagree with as error". You are no different in that regard. And back in the day, I was no different. I know from experience how believers insulate themselves from the cognitive dissonance created by their departures from reason. It spares you having to engage in honest discourse, and most importantly, it means you don't have to engage with the actual points anyone raises with you.

Unless and until you leave the reality distortion field that you exist in, as I did, you'll never even see the arrogance in your statement I quoted above, much less the thin air under you feet where you think you are standing on solid ground.

But in the end, the choice is yours

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What do you think of a person that claims the Bible is meant to be turned upside down in order to show understanding??

BLASPHEMY IS FUN- UNTIL YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR IT.

LordReed:


Is the payment cash or transfer? LMAO!

. THE TEN TALENTS OF POWER. (Matt. 25)

(1) TOTAL RECALL.
(2) EXTRASENSORY PERCEPTION.
(3) TELEKINESIS.
(4) TELEPORTATION.
(5) TRANSLATION.
(6-10) EVERLASTING LIFE.

When you scorn The Way of God, these are the abilities you forfeit first personally, and then socially.

You will never experience them yourself, nor anyone who has them, nor can rehabilitate them in you.

As a result, you suffer the consequences of having no access to Spiritual Abilities.

Including imminent Death.

When you finally do die, you will lose your Soul completely.

Tamaratonye1:

Half of great writing or speaking is not saying everything that you can say.

People who talk too much are tiresome, especially those who are not informative, thought-provoking, or funny.

Which do you believe most likely to enter an insane convention, a body of English gentlemen honoured by the favour of their Sovereign and the confidence of their fellow-subjects, managing your affairs for five years, I hope with prudence, and not altogether without success, or a sophistical rhetorician, inebriated with the exuberance of his own verbosity, and gifted with an egotistical imagination that can at all times command an interminable and inconsistent series of arguments to malign an opponent and to glorify himself?

-Benjamin Disraeli

In some places he draws the thread of his verbosity finer than the staple of his argument.

-Dr. Porson, of Gibbon's Decline and Fall, quoted in the Letters to Travis.

Verbosity wastes a portion of the reader’s or listener’s life.

THE PURPOSE OF MY POSTS IS ALWAYS TO COMPLETELY SOLVE PROBLEMS WITH A VIEW TO SAVING LIVES AND SOULS./b]

Maximus69:


From day one, the Bible already told those who have faith in it that all what we needed to treat any disease we brought upon ourselves due to our rebellion is here with us! Psalms 114:14

oaroloye:


In this case, MAXIMUS69 has cited a Scripture that does not even EXIST.

[b]THERE IS NO PSALM 114:14!

Psalm 114 has EIGHT verses- none of which has anything to say about all we need to Heal ourselves being here with us!

BEFORE, MAXIMUS69 CLAIMED THAT PSALM 114:14 SAID THAT "ALL WHAT WE NEED TO HEAL OURSELVES IS HERE WITH US."

I was the only one to point out that, not only did PSALM 114:14 contain no such data, NO SUCH VERSE EXISTS- because Psalm 114 only has EIGHT verses!

The HATRED against this Ministry is such that NO ONE acknowledged my correction- least of all MAXIMUS69 THE MAD.

A normal person would have said: "Oh, SORRY- I meant PSALM 104:14!"

JEHOVAH'S WITLESSES^® appear to be taught to be as RUDE as HELL!

Maximus69:


Oh you have time for aoroloye!

OK, perhaps you can help readjust his malfunctioning brains to be considerate when posting, so that people don't get bored with his useless lengthy write-ups!

OtemAtum:


Na baba I fear pass for nairaland

Maximus69:


Ba wetin?

That's the most stupid boy ever on Nairaland!

Someone who is advanced in age would not just continue typing nonsense despite been warned to summarize his lengthy epistles.

I don't know if you're Yoruba, our people often say

"Òrò díè là ñ so fómolúwàbí, tóbá dé inú è á di ñlá"

Meaning

"A word is enough for a wise, to benefit a lot"

So advanced individuals don't talk too much, whenever you see someone talking as aoroloye, know that it's either a kid or a brainwashed slowpoke working for Yahoo plus boys who have charmed him to loose his sanity!

oaroloye:
A WORD IS INDEED ENOUGH FOR THE WISE- BUT YOU PEOPLE ARE NOT WISE- THAT IS WHY GOD SPEAKS TO YOU THROUGH ME WITH NO MORE THAN AS MANY WORDS ARE NECESSARY!

. 2^nd KINGS 13:14-19.[/u][/b]

14. Now Elisha was
fallen sick of his sickness whereof he died.
And Joash the king of Israel
came down unto him,
and wept over his face,
and said,

"O my father, my father,
the Chariot of Israel,
and the Horsemen thereof."

15. And Elisha said unto him,

"Take bow and arrows."

And he took unto him
bow and arrows.
16. And he said
to the king of Israel,

"Put thine hand upon the bow."

And he put his hand upon it:
and Elisha put his hands
upon the king's hands.
17. And he said,

"Open the window eastward."

And he opened it.
Then Elisha said,

"Shoot."

And he shot.
And he said,

"The Arrow of
The LORD'S Deliverance,
and The Arrow of Deliverance
from Syria:
for thou shalt smite
the Syrians in Aphek,
till thou have consumed them."

18. And he said,

"Take the arrows."

And he took them.
And he said unto
the king of Israel,

"Smite upon the ground."

And he smote thrice,
and stayed.
19. And the Man of God
was wroth with him,
and said,

"Thou shouldest have
smitten five or six times;
then hadst thou smitten
Syria till thou hadst
consumed it:
whereas now thou
shalt smite Syria
but thrice."

A DON'T WRITE A WORD TO "BENEFIT A LOT!"

I write for Sinners to REPENT OF THEIR BLOODY SINS, ESCAPE FROM CERTAIN DEATH AND SURE DAMNATION![/i][/b]

I am doing EVERYTHING that I can do, TO SAVE SOULS and LIVES. What are YOU doing?

You apply ONE MIDDLE FINGER- and say: "I'VE DONE ENOUGH!" Yes- for your American Massas. They will not pay you more for a 19,000 Character Post, than for a 100 character TWEET- isn't that what YOU are working for?

I WRITE TO SOLVE ALL OF THE PROBLEMS: I FIGHT WITH A VIEW TO WINNING ALL FUTURE FIGHTS.

Not so that, after answering the one stupid question, you will have to come back and ask another stupid question.

oaroloye:

. JOSHUA 1:8.

8. "This Book of The Law
shall not depart
out of thy mouth
but thou shalt meditate
therein day and night,
that thou mayest do
according to all
that is written therein:
for then thou shalt
make thy way prosperous,
and then thou shalt have
Good Success."

. PSALM 1:1-6.

BLESSED is the man
that walketh not
in The Counsel of the Ungodly,
nor standeth in the Way of Sinners,
nor sitteth in the Seat of the Scornful.
2. But his delight is
in The Law of The LORD;
and in His Law
doth he meditate day and night.
3. And he shall be like a tree
planted by the rivers of water,
that bringeth forth his fruit
in his season;
his leaf also shall not wither;
and whatsoever he doeth
shall prosper.
4. The Ungodly are not so:
but are like the chaff
which the wind driveth away.
5.Therefore the Ungodly
shall not stand
in The Judgment,
nor Sinners
in The Congregation
of The Righteous.
6. For The LORD knoweth
The Way of the Righteous:
but the Way of the Ungodly
shall Perish.

. PSALM 119:97-105.

97. O how I love Thy Law!
It is my meditation all the day.
98. Thou through Thy Commandments
hast made me Wiser
than mine enemies:
for They are ever with me.
99 I have more Understanding
than all my teachers:
for Thy Testimonies
are my meditation.
100. I understand
more than the Ancients,
because I keep Thy Precepts.
101. I have refrained my feet
from every Evil Way,
that I might keep Thy Word.
102. I have not departed
from Thy Judgments:
for Thou hast taught me.
103. How sweet are Thy Words
unto my taste!
yea, sweeter than honey
to my mouth!
104. Through Thy Precepts
I get Understanding:
therefore I hate every False Way.
105. Thy Word is a Lamp
unto my feet,
and a Light unto my path.

THESE THREE SCRIPTURES SOLVE EVERY POSSIBLE PROBLEM YOU CAN HAVE.

What more can you need, if you apply those three Scriptures?

Any Church that does not apply any of those Scriptures has failed already.

Yet, since I have taught them on NAIRALAND, not one Christian of any Church has thanked me for this, nor any other Teaching.

What does this tell you?

That God is with and in none of those Churches, nor with you.

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. EXODUS 23:1-9.

"THOU shalt not
raise a False Report:
put not thine hand
with The Wicked
to be an Unrighteous Witness.
2. "Thou shalt not
follow a Multitude
to do Evil;
neither shalt thou
speak in a cause
to Decline after Many
to Wrest (Judgment):
3. "Neither shalt thou
countenance a poor man
in his cause.
4. "If thou meet
thine Enemy's ox
or his ass going astray,
thou shalt surely
bring it back to him again.
5. " If thou see
the ox or the ass
of him that hateth thee
lying under his burden,
and wouldest forbear
to help him,
thou shalt surely
help with him.
6. "Thou shalt not wrest
the judgment of thy poor
in his cause.
7. "Keep thee far
from a false matter;
and the Innocent
and Righteous
Slay thou not:
for I will not
Justify The Wicked.
8. "And thou shalt
take no Gift:
for the Gift
blindeth the Wise,
and perverteth the Words
of The Righteous.
9. "Thou shalt not
Oppress a Stranger:
for ye know
the heart of a Stranger,
seeing ye were Strangers
in the land of Egypt."

. MATTHEW 25:31-46.

31. "When The Son of Man
shall come in his Glory,
and all the Holy Angels with him,
then shall he sit upon
The Throne of his Glory:
32. "And before him
shall be gathered all nations:
and he shall separate
them one from another,
as a shepherd divideth
his sheep from the goats:
33. "And he shall set the sheep
on his right hand,
but the goats on the left.
34. "Then shall the King say
unto them on his right hand,

'COME,
YE BLESSED OF MY FATHER,
INHERIT THE KINGDOM
PREPARED FOR YOU
FROM THE FOUNDATION
OF THE WORLD:
35. 'FOR I WAS AN HUNGRED,
AND YE GAVE ME MEAT:
I WAS THIRSTY,
AND YE GAVE ME DRINK:
I WAS A STRANGER,
AND YE TOOK ME IN:
36. 'NAKED,
AND YE CLOTHED ME:
I WAS SICK,
AND YE VISITED ME:
I WAS IN PRISON,
AND YE CAME UNTO ME.'

37. Then shall the Righteous
answer him, saying,

'LORD, WHEN SAW WE THEE
AN HUNGRED,
AND FED THEE?
OR THIRSTY,
AND GAVE THEE DRINK?
38. 'WHEN SAW WE THEE
A STRANGER,
AND TOOK THEE IN?
OR NAKED,
AND CLOTHED THEE?
39. 'OR WHEN SAW WE THEE
SICK,
OR IN PRISON,
AND CAME UNTO THEE?'

40. "And the King shall answer
and say unto them,

'VERILY I SAY UNTO YOU,

"INASMUCH AS YE HAVE DONE IT
UNTO ONE OF THE LEAST OF THESE
MY BRETHREN,
YE HAVE DONE IT
UNTO ME." '

41. "Then shall he say also
unto them on the left hand,

'DEPART FROM ME,
YE CURSED,
INTO EVERLASTING FIRE,
PREPARED FOR THE DEVIL
AND HIS ANGELS:
42. 'FOR I WAS AN HUNGRED,
AND YE GAVE ME NO MEAT:
I WAS THIRSTY,
AND YE GAVE ME NO DRINK:
43. 'I WAS A STRANGER,
AND YE TOOK ME NOT IN:
NAKED, AND YE CLOTHED ME NOT:
SICK, AND IN PRISON,
AND YE VISITED ME NOT.'

44. "Then shall they also
answer him,
saying,

'LORD, WHEN SAW WE THEE
AN HUNGRED, OR ATHIRST,
OR A STRANGER, OR NAKED,
OR SICK, OR IN PRISON,
AND DID NOT MINISTER
UNTO THEE?'

45. "Then shall he answer them, saying,

'VERILY I SAY UNTO YOU,

"INASMUCH AS YE DID IT NOT
TO ONE OF THE LEAST OF THESE,
YE DID IT NOT TO ME." '

46. "And these shall go away
into Everlasting Punishment:
but the Righteous into Life Eternal."

AT THE DAY OF JUDGMENT, CHRISTIANS WHO HAVE DESPISED MY TEACHINGS WILL FIND THAT IT WAS LORD YESHUA WHOM THEY DESPISED.

If you had been present when Lord Yeshua was on Earth, you could never have gone out into the wilderness to listen to him preach FOR THREE DAYS.

Never mind going out without food to eat on the way back.

RAY MacCAULEY of the RHEMA BIBLE TRAINING CENTRE in South Africa, prayed to ask the Lord why there were great miracles occurring in his Ministry in Apartheid South Africa, and not in similar meetings back home in America.

He said that Jesus replied him:

"WHEN I WALKED THE EARTH, IT TOOK PEOPLE TWO OR THREE WEEKS, JUST TO FIND ME: WHEN SOMEONE SEEKS ME FOR TWO OR THREE WEEKS, FOR HEALING- WALKING- THEY'RE GOING TO FIND IT!"

I once counselled a Muslim Native Doctor on how to receive his Healing- his left leg was amputated due to Diabetic Abscess.

None of his Muslim buddies in the tiny Mosque he owned helped him out. A "Good Samaritan" paid his bill at the SEVENTH DAY ADVENTIST Hospital.

As a BABALAWO, I was sure that he could at least apply CARLOS CASTANEDA'S NAGUALISM SYSTEM to Heal his amputation.

I bought him a tablet- none of his buddies helped him do that, either- and put all Carlos Castaneda's Books and some of L. Ron Hubbard's on it, and gave it to him.

Instead of studying it, he smashed the tablet. He said it was an accident.

Then he said he wanted to go and be prayed for by one "PROPHET PETER," he heard on the Radio, at Oshogbo. I saw that he was never going to work toward solving his problem himself.

He wanted someone to give him a quick-fix, magic solution, that gave him what he wanted, without changing his own Beliefs, or Way of Life.

I had to admit that I could not help him any further, and that he could do whatever he wanted.

Of course his trip- and whatever money he surely paid this "PROPHET" was a complete waste.

This is consistent with my experience with trying to help unbelievers "on their level of understanding."

A complete waste of time.

Not because anything is wrong with my Doctrine- but I am, at this point, completely unable to bestow WORTHINESS.

God is not going to Heal you, so you can go back to serving your beloved Satan. There us no Messiah for achieving that sort of Miracle.

That was not what I have ever been able to do, nor ever claimed to.

What I had tried to show him was how to tap into his innate Spiritual Nature as L. Ron Hubbard, Carlos Castaneda, and James Redfield had taught it, to solve a problem I thought was important to him- but really isn't.

The Handicapped, I have found would rather stay handicapped, than change whatever was necessary in their lives to get Healed.