BikeMan:
This logic has all the K-legs in the world.

The logic is filled with so much emotions. I couldn't finish reading it sef.

He said Chilwell hasn't done enough to warrant this discussion. Can you imagine?

So what has Shaw done if I may ask?

If I ask for proof now, they will ignore stats and direct me to Southgate

BlueAngel444:
so because Shaw had a good couple of months he is now the best thing to happen to lb like Robertson didn't have his year, or Davis, or Chilwell.

Y manu fans for nairaland be like this

Chelsea saying Chilwell was whatever to the bench had nothing to do with Chilwell's performance but how good Alonso was playing. Wait so how did u come up with this your logic

And it's not like as if even when Chilwell was struggling last season that shaw outperformed him

izzou:
So if you were appointed the manager of Newcastle, and you are given the option to sign between Shaw and Chilwell, you will sign Shaw?

Some of Una sef

The records and stats are there for all. Chilwell was and is better. It's nobody's fault if Shaw is unfit. Fitness is part of this game.

Even if you fork out only Chilwell's record in Leicester, and compare to Shaw within the same period, Ben was still better.

What's annoying is how you guys left proof and started using Southgate's choice as a fact. So Unai Simon would bench DeGea in United abi?

Southgate can bench Chilwell forever. E no concern me. If they both keep playing the same way they play, Chilwell would continue to be better

Nonsense

Leyqute:
LMAO.

Luke Shaw won’t make it here.

Leyqute:
Like Shaw has no future here. He’s been very useless and stupid in this game.

timbros:
Funny how stats show everybody start to 'comot hand'

Izzou you are not a good somebody

izzou:


The logic is filled with so much emotions. I couldn't finish reading it sef.

He said Chilwell hasn't done enough to warrant this discussion. Can you imagine?

So what has Shaw done if I may ask?

If I ask for proof now, they will ignore stats and direct me to Southgate

BikeMan:
This logic has all the K-legs in the world.

BikeMan:
Scummies want us to ignore the numbers and just believe that Shaw is even better than Robertson because of one half-season of football. I can't stop laughing

Best LB in England my ass

Shaw is the best LB in England because Southgate picked him.

Just imagine the talk

patrickmuf:
If I show you stats that Salah is better than Ronaldinho, will you argue otherwise?

Is Gnabry better than Ribbery? If no, what if the stats says otherwise?

I don't do stats, there's more to football than stats...

Iniesta and Zidane are right up there but their stats is easily dwarfed by so many other players in the same position...

izzou:


Can you show me the stats between Ronaldinho and Salah [within the same period? NO

Can you show me the stats between Gnarby and Ribery [within the same period?

I could go on and on with your examples, but it's not worth it.

Shaw and Chilwell are playing in the same league, and were starters in their respective teams within the same period. That's a good metric for comparison

Which one be Salah and Ronaldinho?

eph12:
LS has regressed this season, no doubt about that. He was better last season, that's a fact

patrickmuf:
Is Bruno better than KDB?

Is Gundogan better than KDB?

Let's talk stats...

eph12:
LS has regressed this season, no doubt about that. He was better last season, that's a fact

izzou:


Bring out the records here and compare them

Very simple.

That's proof, and not emotions

patrickmuf:
In seven years or thereabout, how long has Shaw been fit for an entire season?

I am not the biggest fan of Shaw but last season he was ahead of Chilwell and to be honest, this season he has underperformed but then, Chilwell has not done enough to warrant this discussion...

Receipts abound on the Chelsea thread where most Chelsea fans said Chilwell was done for especially when he was glued to the bench whilst Alonso reigned Supreme...

If Chilwell continues on playing at this level, overtime, he will displace Shaw as the starting LB for England...

I'd end by saying stats killed the beautiful game and that's why we are having this argument...A pointer? Go and check Koeman's stat as a CB and you'd wonder why he isn't rated as the best CB ever...In this generation, he'd be without doubt be referred to as the G.O.A.T.

eph12:

There are some stats there that are not interpreted properly but I don't have time for that anymore

patrickmuf:
That's a prove, that you're not using your eyes and watching games...

Stats tell a whole lotta lies...

patrickmuf:
If I show you stats that Salah is better than Ronaldinho, will you argue otherwise?

Is Gnabry better than Ribbery? If no, what if the stats says otherwise?

I don't do stats, there's more to football than stats...

Iniesta and Zidane are right up there but their stats is easily dwarfed by so many other players in the same position...

liveLongNprospa:


But Shaw's unavailability is a cross he has to bear and even when he has been available, he's only been good for a season infact I'd say half a season because I don't remember shaw being great throughout last season.

The same excuse can be used for Chilwell who also had a bad season which can be put on moving to a new club. I mean the form shaw is showing this season really isn't a surprise to anyone as we have seen it before from him.

Stats are not always bad as they expose the agenda aspect of rating players against themselves.

eph12:
LS has regressed this season, no doubt about that. He was better last season, that's a fact

patrickmuf:
Stats does not tell the whole story...

Players might get injured off a very bad tackle which isn't their making, so, you'd be wrong if you pinned it on them...

Go to Chelsea thread and see what those who are here yapping their mouths said when Alonso was benching Chilwell...

It's not even worth it to argue further because those who are saying we are emotional are themselves the culprits...

izzou:


Stats of Bruno and Kevin last season.

Tell me the whole lot of lies in it

timbros:
Funny how stats show everybody start to 'comot hand'

Izzou you are not a good somebody

patrickmuf:
In seven years or thereabout, how long has Shaw been fit for an entire season?

I am not the biggest fan of Shaw but last season he was ahead of Chilwell and to be honest, this season he has underperformed but then, Chilwell has not done enough to warrant this discussion...

Receipts abound on the Chelsea thread where most Chelsea fans said Chilwell was done for especially when he was glued to the bench whilst Alonso reigned Supreme...

If Chilwell continues on playing at this level, overtime, he will displace Shaw as the starting LB for England...

I'd end by saying stats killed the beautiful game and that's why we are having this argument...A pointer? Go and check Koeman's stat as a CB and you'd wonder why he isn't rated as the best CB ever...In this generation, he'd be without doubt be referred to as the G.O.A.T.

liveLongNprospa:


Okay without using stats, tell us how Shaw is better than Chilwell.
It should be easy for you

slimghost:


My brother, let’s be honest. Shaw is not a better left back than Chillwell abeg. Man is too inconsistent and unserious.

liveLongNprospa:


I would advice to avoid replying this

I have personally watched them on this thread use stats to rate Bruno over Kevin

When it favours them, they use stats

When it doesn't favour them, they ditch stats and use their eyes as proof

Double standards everywhere

liveLongNprospa:


I would advice Patrickmuf to avoid replying this

izzou:


I have personally watched them on this thread use stats to rate Bruno over Kevin

When it favours them, they use stats

When it doesn't favour them, they ditch stats and use their eyes as proof

Double standards everywhere

patrickmuf:
This season? Yes but it's too early to say who is the best in the world or in which position...

Off last season, will you rate Chilwell higher than Shaw?

slimghost:


I didn’t conclude just from one season. look at it from their performances over like 6 seasons.
Man is better than Shaw. Shaw had a great season last season that’s why he made it ahead of him at the Euros which is normal.
Form is temporal, class is permanent