airsaylongcome:
Tensa, I tell you for free that that your guy isn't good. I had always wanted to go into DS but had been lazy about it. Carelessly applied for a Customer Data analyst role a few weeks back and after all the rigmarole got an offer I declined because work times clashes with my current "easy" role. I don't know R, Python or Tableau. Just very good intermediate knowledge of excel and basic SQL. And I still got the offer. Your guy should work on improving his ability to decipher the intelligence gleaned from the analytics. That's where the strength is. I was given data that I mangled in excel. I saw some trends and made inference on what was driving those and explained my rationale for those.

Anyway after that role I've decided to seriously take up DS focusing on Data Analysis. I enjoyed the kick I got from all that advanced excel stuff

Good

airsaylongcome:


So it would be a wrong mindset to want to learn excel for Data Analysis. Excel is a multifaceted tool capable of unbelievable things. I'd say he should become competent at using excel and Data Analysis will happen naturally. For YouTube channel, I would recommend Leila Gharani and MyOnlineHub. There are other excellent channels that I may not be aware off. But you see that Leila Gharani channel, I've learned more there than anywhere else

Grateful sir...
I will send to him..

airsaylongcome:
Tensa, I tell you for free that that your guy isn't good. I had always wanted to go into DS but had been lazy about it. Carelessly applied for a Customer Data analyst role a few weeks back and after all the rigmarole got an offer I declined because work times clashes with my current "easy" role. I don't know R, Python or Tableau. Just very good intermediate knowledge of excel and basic SQL. And I still got the offer. Your guy should work on improving his ability to decipher the intelligence gleaned from the analytics. That's where the strength is. I was given data that I mangled in excel. I saw some trends and made inference on what was driving those and explained my rationale for those.

Anyway after that role I've decided to seriously take up DS focusing on Data Analysis. I enjoyed the kick I got from all that advanced excel stuff

Boss, can you tell me the site where you applied for this role and was it remote?

belovez:


Boss, can you tell me the site where you applied for this role and was it remote?

So I am trying to improve engagement on the Koding School Slack Community. Check for the link shared prior. Join, introduce yourself and a brief background of what you have done and what you currently do. You will find information there

Karlebolu:
Guy, our mind works together.

I was going to create something like this. Aje!

Job no dey, job no dey but I have two interviews scheduled for next week.

Before now, I have been offered a job without interview right from my town here in Ondo State in Lagos. They couldn't continue with me because I don't reside in Lagos and the work is not 100 percent remote. That same month, I got a call from another recruiter from Abuja and an email from a recruiter in London. They couldn't hire me because of the reason above.

Funnily enough, when I showed a senior developer the CV that got me calls from 3 recruiter, he trashed it. I had to make some important edit. Same CV got me a test with access bank, I guess I didn't do well in the test because I was rejected. Although they didn't show us the test results.

A guy connected via this same NL, wanted an e-commerce store. I charged N500k he priced N100k and I said no. I fuccked up for there sha.

Point is, if there were too much jobs, no one would have looked at my horrible resume.

Granted I have a lot of rejection mails but I'm getting called for interviews and there are web jobs, local and foreign, being posted everyday on LinkedIn, indeed, even jobberman.

Those behind this propaganda are people who have never coded in their life or people who gave up on coding because it's too hard.


Lastly, abeg I get interview no mean say I get job o. I still dey job hunt o.

What's your stack ?

Great analysis here. Weldone guys. I just want to know if someone can get jobs with wordpress website design knowledge with programming knowledge?

I think that although app development and web design are very popular now, a good specialist will always find a job. There are very few of those who really take a responsible approach to the task. I applied to KindGeek when I needed building a hospital management system software, and I can say that these are specialists you can rely on.

Nice thread.

Geting a web design work from people no easy and thats the most popular way of making money from IT in Nigeria.

People still use that one to hammer big.

But their are plenty other hidden ways.

LikeAking:
Nice thread.

Geting a web design work from people no easy and thats the most popular way of making money from IT in Nigeria.

People still use that one to hammer big.

But their are plenty other hidden ways.

People hammer big with web design? I find that interesting. Are you referring to Website design or web apps?

Dhavido:
Thanks for this thread bro, just starting my journey into tech. Done with HTML like people would say, you can never finish learning CSS so I’ll say I’m well grounded in CSS.

I’m presently learning JS and I’ve been trying to get web dev internship but the thing hard small so I’ve decided to focus on learning my JS and move to react when I’m very good with JS.

I have some domain names that I’m presently developing websites for just to build my portfolio so I can pay for hosting and host them and start applying for junior developer roles when I’m good enough with react.

I would like to know your thoughts on this boss, wouldn’t mind if I can be mentored by you also

Why use a paid hosting platform as a learner when there are tons of free hosting platform you could use. Like netlify, git pages etc. Use that money to buy course instead.

tensazangetsu20:

2 but they were huge sha. It took me two months to finish.

Please do you mind talking a little bit about these projects ?

airsaylongcome:


People hammer big with web design? I find that interesting. Are you referring to Website design or web apps?

I know a guyz who have been hammering from web dev, from 2011. They have their sites online, if you google web dev comps they pop up. Thats how they get their jobs from the public. They also have google my biz stuffs, etc. They are visible online.

I have been trying to get a virtual assistant job or customer support on upwork but i didn't. I have submitted like 20 proposals. I don't know what i am doing wrong. Can you please put me through.

I just want to start my journey in data science. This your comment has discouraged me to be honest

Lasisieniola77:
I have been trying to get a virtual assistant job or customer support on upwork but i didn't. I have submitted like 20 proposals. I don't know what i am doing wrong. Can you please put me through.

Spread your tentacles. Reddit is an option (my preferred option) for contract employment rather than upwork

Lasisieniola77:
I just want to start my journey in data science. This your comment has discouraged me to be honest

You want to walk away from the future? Better find a way to motivate yourself and get started. I'd advise you look towards Data Analytics for a start and then grow in the Data Science specialty

Lasisieniola77:
I just want to start my journey in data science. This your comment has discouraged me to be honest

Well if you are a lady you can start. Women in tech have it much easier and if it doesn't work out there's always marriage to a very rich man.

tensazangetsu20:

Well if you are a lady you can start. Women in tech have it much easier and if it doesn't work out there's always marriage to a very rich man.

Everyone will expend the same effort. This belief that women have it easier is untrue. You sat the same tests/exams that women sat and passed, same way you did, so how is it suddenly easier for them?

The latter is another assumption.

BRATISLAVA:



Everyone will expend the same effort. This belief that women have it easier is untrue. You sat the same tests/exams that women sat and passed, same way you did, so how is it suddenly easier for them?

The latter is another assumption.

Women have it much easier in tech. Even the recruitment system is watered down if a woman is involved. In DSA tests, women will be getting easy and men will be getting hards and mediums.

tensazangetsu20:


Women have it much easier in tech. Even the recruitment system is watered down if a woman is involved. In DSA tests, women will be getting easy and men will be getting hards and mediums.

Are you kidding me now Tensa! Are you saying all I have to do to get my foot in the door is claim to be a female and I'd get a watered down screening? Seriously?!?!

How about non-binary and people who don't identify with a gender. Do they get easier questions than both male and female?

Are you saying that if a woman writes a piece of code for critical infrastructure and the code does not come up to scratch, QA will approve the code because it's a woman and they can accept watered down code because a woman had watered down job screening?

tensazangetsu20:


Women have it much easier in tech. Even the recruitment system is watered down if a woman is involved. In DSA tests, women will be getting easy and men will be getting hards and mediums.

If inclusion is what you call easier...

However, tell us how watered down recruitment tests are, please. Is it that the tests for men and women are determinedly different? Like if a role has specific requirements, they will water it down and hire an incompetent person because it's a female? Or is she actually competent?

We're all here to learn.

BRATISLAVA:


If inclusion is what you call easier...

However, tell us how watered down recruitment tests are, please. Is it that the tests for men and women are determinedly different? Like if a role has specific requirements, they will water it down and hire an incompetent person because it's a female? Or is she actually competent?

We're all here to learn.

TBH, I am shocked and disappointed by the assertion tensazangetsu20 made. Completely stunned to my marrow

It's almost like saying it's okay to hire an unqualified surgeon if she is female. Even with inclusion policies ALL candidates are expected to meet a minimum baseline irrespective of gender

airsaylongcome:


TBH, I am shocked and disappointed by the assertion tensazangetsu20 made. Completely stunned to my marrow

It's almost like saying it's okay to hire an unqualified surgeon if she is female. Even with inclusion policies ALL candidates are expected to meet a minimum baseline irrespective of gender

I know its unbelievable but this happens in a lot of Nigerian tech firms. Once they see its a woman or hear a womans voice during the initial interview they reduce the standard just so they can have more women on the team. With foreign companies where no one can see your face or hear your voice till interview stages the standard is the same but in Nigerian tech its absolutely different. You even see recruitments with warnings like more preference will be given to women and shit here in Nigeria.

tensazangetsu20:


I know its unbelievable but this happens in a lot of Nigerian tech firms. Once they see its a woman or hear a womans voice during the initial interview they reduce the standard just so they can have more women on the team. With foreign companies where no one can see your face or hear your voice till interview stages the standard is the same but in Nigerian tech its absolutely different.

So a tech Nigerian firm will hire someone (female or otherwise) who doesn't know how to pop a stack, or how to evaluate Big O for an algorithm because of their gender? Are they developing real-life production ready software or they are hiring a student for a training program? Come on nau Tensa

And is the phrase "more preference will be given to women" only in Nigeria? Or you haven't seen foreign remote jobs that say the same? Or that preference will be given to minorities (blacks and Hispanics)? Really?

Here's part of a JD for a job opening in the US

As an Equal Opportunity Employer, we encourage veterans, individuals with disabilities, women, and all minorities to consider our employment opportunities.

airsaylongcome:


So a tech Nigerian firm will hire someone (female or otherwise) who doesn't know how to pop a stack, or how to evaluate Big O for an algorithm because of their gender? Are they developing real-life production ready software or they are hiring a student for a training program? Come on nau Tensa

I know its unbelievable but I see this all the time especially on Nigerian tech twitter. Kuda bank had an internship the other day and was mocking the men who applied You even have a lot of female NGOS catering strictly to women. Giving women laptops buying women courses theres none of such going on for men. Even the last enyata macbook stuff was extremely skewed to women. Women have it much easier in Nigerian tech honestly if we face the facts.

airsaylongcome:


TBH, I am shocked and disappointed by the assertion tensazan.getsu20 made. Completely stunned to my marrow

It's almost like saying it's okay to hire an unqualified surgeon if she is female. Even with inclusion policies ALL candidates are expected to meet a minimum baseline irrespective of gender

Perhaps that's one of the tech myths that needs to be dispelled.

Obviously we don't expect much of females at pretty much anything, because they are females, but I cannot see them being treated preferentially just because guys in the field feel they can't possibly measure up. It's a boys club doesn't mean only men have the aptitude. This is why inclusion came to be.

The same way guys claim females reading male courses have it easier. Never knew the marking template had a big M on one and an F on the other.

In fact, responding to a perceived female is a slight.

airsaylongcome:


So a tech Nigerian firm will hire someone (female or otherwise) who doesn't know how to pop a stack, or how to evaluate Big O for an algorithm because of their gender? Are they developing real-life production ready software or they are hiring a student for a training program? Come on nau Tensa

And is the phrase "more preference will be given to women" only in Nigeria? Or you haven't seen foreign remote jobs that say the same? Or that preference will be given to minorities (blacks and Hispanics)? Really?

For foreign companies its absolutely different everyone has the same chance but in Nigeria with regards to tech women have more opportunities than men especially if they know the baseline.

Instead of nitpicking at semantics, the gist is generally true. If push comes to shove, there’s preference for female developers. Not that it is bad. Heck, of recent even tech incubators have female only batches and the latest TEF program had more position for female entrepreneurs.

monikulapo:
Instead of nitpicking at semantics, the gist is generally true. If push comes to shove, there’s preference for female developers. Not that it is bad. Heck, of recent even tech incubators have female only batches and the latest TEF program had more position for female entrepreneurs.

No! They do not have it easier!! It's the same baseline whether male or female.

airsaylongcome:


No! They do not have it easier!! It's the same baseline whether male or female.

Plus I’ve interned in the industry in Nigeria, and I worked with two females who had more developer relations related roles who just had CS degrees and connection, I know for a fact a male applicant would’ve been more scrutinized. Again I don’t think it’s bad. It’s actually good for representation.
But I don’t think Tensas statement is as scandalous as it’s being made out to be. Simples.

Instead of being trying to be politically correct, look at it this way there’s more emphasis on women in tech in Nigeria, there’s going to be a bottleneck if they don’t get employed so obviously there’s preference for female developers. Simple as. Plus I actually have experience with this in 4 different occasions and settings.

You saying a business owner will hire a woman over a more competent male for the same role? Or that if they both have equal competence they would hire a female (because she is female) over a male counterpart?