MightySparrow:

Set the ball rolling

What exactly do you think Jesus came to do on this planet? Remember he is not of the same material with us {John 8:23} we were created from dust {Genesis 2:7} but Jesus is from another material so what exactly do you think brought him to this planet and what is the main goal of his teaching?

MaxInDHouse:

What exactly do you think Jesus came to do on this planet? Remember he is not of the same material with us {John 8:23} we were created from dust {Genesis 2:7} but Jesus is from another material so what exactly do you think brought him to this planet and what is the main goal of his teaching?

And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
Colossians 1: 20

MightySparrow:

And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
Colossians 1: 20

I thought you wanted to reason, is this how you reason by quoting scriptures without explanation?
OK with the quoted verse how do you think a Muslim is wrong with his religion when he says he believes that Jesus was sent by God?

MaxInDHouse:


I thought you wanted to reason, is this how you reason by quoting scriptures without explanation?
OK with the quoted verse how do you think a Muslim is wrong with his religion when he says he believes that Jesus was sent by God?

The scripture is not correct or am I debating a Muslim?

MightySparrow:

The scripture is not correct or am I debating a Muslim?

You are speaking with one of Jehovah's Witnesses not your so called brethren so if you want to chat with me you reason not just quote because the interpretation you are giving what you quoted totally differs from mine!

MaxInDHouse:

You are speaking with one of Jehovah's Witnesses not your so called brethren so if you want to chat with me you reason not just quote because the interpretation you are giving what you quoted totally differs from mine!

If the scripture does not answer your question, do you have something you want me to know?

MightySparrow:

If the scripture does not answer your question, do you have something you want me to know?

NO! The scripture never answered that question.
Jesus lived in a time when Israelites already had several religious groups only within Judea (Jesus' jurisdiction) yet Jesus formed his own group and referred to them as his family.
So to answer my question you need to tell me what binds those whom Jesus referred to as his brothers and sisters, then we can think of the group practicing the same thing today that's how to solve the problem of different sects with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines yet all claiming Christians!

MaxInDHouse:


NO! The scripture never answered that question.
Jesus lived in a time when Israelites already had several religious groups only within Judea (Jesus' jurisdiction) yet Jesus formed his own group and referred to them as his family.
So to answer my question you need to tell me what binds those whom Jesus referred to as his brothers and sisters, then we can think of the group practicing the same thing today that's how to solve the problem of different sects with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines yet all claiming Christians!

Doctrines are not really the issue. People saw things differently, with inferences drawn from same scriptures.

Anyways, Jesus came to make Abrahamic covenant a universal one. Even if they believed the same thing, that would not have prevented Jesus establishing the New Covenant. The same is what is binding everyone in Jesus fold today. Galatians 4: 4, John 10:16; Hebrew 8:8,13, Luke 22: 20

MightySparrow:

Lie, the scriptures talk about baptizing into Jesus,but your organisation baptize into JW organisation.

Two Questions to Be Answered on the Day of Your Baptism
Have you repented of your sins, dedicated yourself to Jehovah, and accepted his way of salvation through Jesus Christ?

Do you understand that your baptism identifies you as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses in association with Jehovah’s organization?



What more is a cult? I deliberately leave out references. I believe you know them.

3 questions for MightySparrow

#1
According to your Bible,Matthew 3:16-17 & Matthew 12:15-18,did the baptism of Jesus Christ identify him as Jehovah's servant?

#2
According to your Bible, Acts 3:13 & Isaiah 43:10,21, Acts 15:14,17 & John 9:4,are Jesus Christ and the disciples Jehovah's witnesses?

#3
Isaiah 43:10,21,2 Chronicles 7:14 (ASV), how does Jehovah address His chosen servants?

MightySparrow leave out sentiments, tell yourself the Bible truth.

MightySparrow:

Doctrines are not really the issue. People saw things differently, with inferences drawn from same scriptures.
Anyways, Jesus came to make Abrahamic covenant a universal one. Even if they believed the same thing, that would not have prevented Jesus establishing the New Covenant. The same is what is binding everyone in Jesus fold today. Galatians 4: 4, John 10:16; Hebrew 8:8,13, Luke 22: 20

The highlighted is where you failed woefully!

Because Muslims are also claiming they belong to Abrahamic covenant yet they don't practice what Jesus taught.
What Jesus came to establish is oneness of thought among practicers of pure worship, so that all those claiming Abrahamic covenant may live and worship like one family leaving out pagans. John 17:20-22
The Jews who rejected Jesus thought they were worshiping the God of Abraham but they don't want to agree with Jesus' line of thought on peacemaking among worshipers of God. The political affairs of their country is what seems paramount to them {John 11:48} that's why they rejected Jesus who has no interest in the political affairs of their country! John 6:15
Jesus came to unite all worshipers of God but Satan knows for sure that with politics that will never be possible. That's why there is no religion where adherents LOVE and CARE for fellow believers like Jehovah's Witnesses! John 13:34-35

So no matter how you people try to establish your religion Satan is already ahead of you to render your worship fruitless since you people will make the political affairs of your country paramount then the LOVE that supposed to bind you with your fellow believers in other places can't be there!

No sane human will hate Jesus but with the intention to see to the political system of this world you must face the direct opposite sides where Jesus is heading. My friend that's the secret behind the truth Jesus taught!

Janosky:

3 questions for MightySparrow

#1
According to your Bible,Matthew 3:16-17 & Matthew 12:15-18,did the baptism of Jesus Christ identify him as Jehovah's servant?

#2
According to your Bible, Acts 3:13 & Isaiah 43:10,21, Acts 15:14,17 & John 9:4,are Jesus Christ and the disciples Jehovah's witnesses?

#3
Isaiah 43:10,21,2 Chronicles 7:14 (ASV), how does Jehovah address His chosen servants?

MightySparrow leave out sentiments, tell yourself the Bible truth.

Janosky you are just a copy and paste JW's

zealot. I will advise you stay away from this. Let matured MaxInDHouse continue. Please.

MightySparrow:

Janosky you are just a copy and paste JW's
zealot. I will advise you stay away from this. Let matured MaxInDHouse continue. Please.

Janosky is my brother in the faith for sure but you know my making starts from being a soldier fighting and killing enemies in the name of patriotism so that's why i could understand more than him. But he knows what it means to be a part of the one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers!

MaxInDHouse:


The highlighted is where you failed woefully!

Because Muslims are also claiming they belong to Abrahamic covenant yet they don't practice what Jesus taught.
What Jesus came to establish is oneness of thought among practicers of pure worship, so that all those claiming Abrahamic covenant may live and worship like one family leaving out pagans. John 17:20-22
The Jews who rejected Jesus thought they were worshiping the God of Abraham but they don't want to agree with Jesus' line of thought on peacemaking among worshipers of God. The political affairs of their country is what seems paramount to them {John 11:48} that's why they rejected Jesus who has no interest in the political affairs of their country! John 6:15
Jesus came to unite all worshipers of God but Satan knows for sure that with politics that will never be possible. That's why there is no religion where adherents LOVE and CARE for fellow believers like Jehovah's Witnesses! John 13:34-35

So no matter how you people try to establish your religion Satan is already ahead of you to render your worship fruitless since you people will make the political affairs of your country paramount then the LOVE that supposed to bind you with your fellow believers in other places can't be there!

No sane human will hate Jesus but with the intention to see to the political system of this world you must face the direct opposite sides where Jesus is heading. My friend that's the secret behind the truth Jesus taught!

Jesus in his days didn't segregate from politicians. His concern wasn't about the politics. He wouldn't have been able to run his ministry or fulfill his mandate without a human government. Roman government killed him. He died on a cross / JW's stake ( whichever). He became a sacrifice for sins not on altar but on wood.
I

Aside from that, take Covenant out of the scriptures, nothing meaningful is left. The fellowship becomes town meeting. May be that what you hold in your organisation.
The rope that binds man ( sleeping saints and living, Heb. 12:22 - 24) and God together is covenant. It defines everything, works everything, builds everything. It forms the cornerstone of worship.
It was made to help mankind and to stop the legal claims of the Devil on earth Luke 4:6. It comes the bases of reconciliation Col. 1: 20.
The understanding of the workings of a covenant is the real knowledge of Christian faith.

Brother neighbour, that's all about Christian faith.

MightySparrow:



Jesus in his days didn't segregate from politicians. His concern wasn't about the politics. He wouldn't have been able to run his ministry or fulfill his mandate without a human government. Roman government killed him. He died on a cross / JW's stake ( whichever). He became a sacrifice for sins not on altar but on wood.
I

Aside from that, take Covenant out of the scriptures, nothing meaningful is left. The fellowship becomes town meeting. May be that what you hold in your organisation.
The rope that binds man ( sleeping saints and living, Heb. 12:22 - 24) and God together is covenant. It defines everything, works everything, builds everything. It forms the cornerstone of worship.
It was made to help mankind and to stop the legal claims of the Devil on earth Luke 4:6. It comes the bases of reconciliation Col. 1: 20.
The understanding of the workings of a covenant is the real knowledge of Christian faith.

Brother neighbour, that's all about Christian faith.

With the highlighted you display lack of understanding!

Now read Jesus' conversation with the rep of Roman government:

Pilate: Are you the King of the Jews?

Jesus: Are you asking this of your own originality, or did others tell you about me?

Pilate: I am not a Jew, am I? Your own nation and the chief priests handed you over to me. What did you do?

Jesus: My Kingdom is no part of this world. If my Kingdom were part of this world, my attendants would have fought that I should not be handed over to the Jews. But as it is, my Kingdom is not from this source.

Pilate: Well, then, are you a king?

Jesus: You yourself are saying that I am a king. For this I have been born, and for this I have come into the world, that I should bear witness to the truth. Everyone who is on the side of the truth listens to my voice.

Finally Pilate went out and said to the chief priests: I find no fault in him! John 18:33-38

Luke's account!
Then they began to accuse him, saying: “We found this man subverting our nation, forbidding the paying of taxes to Caesar, and saying he himself is Christ a king.” Luke 23:2

For this reason Pilate kept trying to find a way to release him, but the Jews shouted: “If you release this man, you are not a friend of Caesar. Everyone who makes himself a king speaks against Caesar.” John 19:12



Now i ask you:
Who really killed Jesus?
Was it the Roman government or his own people the Jews?

MaxInDHouse:


With the highlighted you display lack of understanding!

Now read Jesus' conversation with the rep of Roman government:

Pilate: Are you the King of the Jews?

Jesus: Are you asking this of your own originality, or did others tell you about me?

Pilate: I am not a Jew, am I? Your own nation and the chief priests handed you over to me. What did you do?

Jesus: My Kingdom is no part of this world. If my Kingdom were part of this world, my attendants would have fought that I should not be handed over to the Jews. But as it is, my Kingdom is not from this source.

Pilate: Well, then, are you a king?

Jesus: You yourself are saying that I am a king. For this I have been born, and for this I have come into the world, that I should bear witness to the truth. Everyone who is on the side of the truth listens to my voice.

Finally Pilate went out and said to the chief priests: I find no fault in him! John 18:33-38

Luke's account!
Then they began to accuse him, saying: “We found this man subverting our nation, forbidding the paying of taxes to Caesar, and saying he himself is Christ a king.” Luke 23:2

For this reason Pilate kept trying to find a way to release him, but the Jews shouted: “If you release this man, you are not a friend of Caesar. Everyone who makes himself a king speaks against Caesar.” John 19:12



Now i ask you:
Who really killed Jesus?
Was it the Roman government or his own people the Jews?

Digression.
I agree His Jesus killed him. Or made Pilate approved His crucifixion. That is not the key issue. The key issue is that the provision covenant Him. He brought the Old Covenant to an end to establish the New. He fulfilled His prophetic purpose. Mal. 3;1,Heb. 10: 7 - 9.

The word 'covenant' appears in the scriptures 285 times. That is the heart of 'the faith'

To now. Continue with my original response to the OP.

1.What is a covenant?
2. What are the ingredients of a covenant?
3. How is a covenant made?
4. What are the effects of a covenant?

Note:
I prefer taking these one by one and reasonable details.

MightySparrow:

Digression.
I agree His Jesus killed him. Or made Pilate approved His crucifixion. That is not the key issue. The key issue is that the provision covenant Him. He brought the Old Covenant to an end to establish the New. He fulfilled His prophetic purpose. Mal. 3;1,Heb. 10: 7 - 9.
The word 'covenant' appears in the scriptures 285 times. That is the heart of 'the faith'
To now. Continue with my original response to the OP.
1.What is a covenant?
2. What are the ingredients of a covenant?
3. How is a covenant made?
4. What are the effects of a covenant?
Note:
I prefer taking these one by one and reasonable details.

If you want to talk about covenant then you've got to start from the beginning not just pick it from the middle.
God made no covenant with Adam so the first question you need to ask yourself: what led to the making of a covenant since there was nothing like that in the beginning?
Meanwhile a covenant means a pact or binding agreement between two or more parties. So ask yourself what brought about a binding between God and humans when that never was the case IN THE BEGINNING?

MaxInDHouse:


If you want to talk about covenant then you've got to start from the beginning not just pick it from the middle.
God made no covenant with Adam so the first question you need to ask yourself: what led to the making of a covenant since there was nothing like that in the beginning?


Meanwhile a covenant means a pact or binding agreement between two or more parties. So ask yourself what brought about a binding between God and humans when that never was the case IN THE BEGINNING?

Exactly, I want to learn, answer my questions. Mind you we agreed to be direct in our discussions.

MightySparrow:

Exactly, I want to learn, answer my questions. Mind you we agreed to be direct in our discussions.

How i wish you're sincere about learning!

Well i'll answer your question!
First of all God only extend His hands to give life to others and wanted us to have it abundantly so it was only within His good and kind heart that He decided to create life nothing like covenant between Himself and the creatures. But as times goes on He began noticing that most intelligent creatures (angels and humans) are not just satisfied with the life He gave them, they want more. Such selfish cravings developed gradually in most creatures like Satan and some other angels in heaven, Adam, Eve and many other humans after them. All these creatures just wanted to have more than simple life, they want to explore their domain and even go beyond what God made available for them. In a bid to do this they have to rebel against their Creator who wants to continue guiding them on how to get the best out of life, that's what led to the original sin which is demanding for absolute freedom from God.

Jehovah is Holy meaning pure in heart so He decided to allow them have what they want but told them that the end result will be disastrous! Genesis 3:15-19

First of all angels who were created with immortal bodies will get to a stage where they will no more enjoy their existence as they continue to distance themselves from God and as for humans their mortal bodies will begin to expire until it can't sustain life anymore so they will die and that's what has been happening to all the descendants of Adam till today. Psalms 49:7-9; 89:48 compare to Ecclesiastes 3:19-20

So what brought about a covenant?

God's good intentions towards us never changed {Isaiah 55:11} He wants us to have what He intended from the beginning so to right the wrong Adam and Eve started in Eden God decided to redeem (obedient) mankind from the cause of death. So only those who enter into a COVENANT with Him will benefit from this wonderful provision, that is what led to the pact or binding agreement between God and obedient mankind!

Now since Adam and Eve were our first parents we don't deserve to be alive talkless having it in abundance so something has to come in between us and God as a propitiatory sacrifice for cleansing. Because Adam who sold us into slavery to sin and death was a perfect human the person who will pay for our sin must also be a perfect human, that's where Jesus come in he chose to be that perfect human who will connect us back to God's original purpose for us. God foretold this immediately after the incident in the garden of Eden! Genesis 3:15

So Jesus' life on earth has three main purposes.
(1) he will serve as the perfect sacrifice for the sin of all obedient mankind so that we may be cleansed completely.
(2) he will expose Satan's secrets and how the devil wants to deprive us from gaining everlasting life.
(3) he will continue to lead us to the path where we will gain accurate knowledge about God.

Now the first and second purpose has nothing to do with our own effort because God and Jesus are to play those parts but the last one is what we must get involved with if we want to become a beneficiary of this wonderful provision. Jesus can't lead you when you fail to avail yourself for his program, he arranged for a global training by setting up a group that will bring all obedient mankind together under one umbrella for the peace pact between us and God. That's why the Christian congregation was established in the first century.
Satan knew that if all mankind should get the sense of this provision then nobody will loose their salvation, and Satan and his angels are already on a death row because God has set a date when He will destroy them for good.
So out of spite Satan and his angels are fighting back by creating more and more religious groups in the same name of Jesus but they knew that the one and only secret behind mankind's salvation is complete obedience to God's plan so they connected all their religions to politics which is the only stumbling block for whoever wants to follow God's arrangement.

So no matter how you try as long as you're interested in the political affairs of this world you can't work towards your salvation as you'll continue to distance yourself from complete obedience to God's Kingdom plan.
It's like someone trying to be loyal to two rival political parties, is that possible? Of course not! Matthew 6:24

Jehovah's Witnesses organization is just a group like all other religions when they started in the 1870s but when Jesus returned in 1914 he found out that this group is prepared for correction unlike other groups that believe in the understanding of their human founders, JWs believe that those who started this journey may have good intentions but they're not infallible so that is what Jesus saw in this group before choosing them and began leading them. That's why they keep improving in their dealings and today all what God said about those who will follow the Prince of Peace to gain salvation is obvious in this group! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

That's why i always tell anyone who wants to listen that Jehovah's Witnesses is the one and only group that Jesus is leading, it's not that i just wake up one day and choose to be one of Jehovah's Witnesses NO! I have studied them well and discovered that they're the only group practicing what Jesus taught today!

MaxInDHouse:

How i wish you're sincere about learning!

Well i'll answer your question!
First of all God only extend His hands to give life to others and wanted us to have it abundantly so it was only within His good and kind heart that He decided to create life nothing like covenant between Himself and the creatures. But as times goes on He began noticing that most intelligent creatures (angels and humans) are not just satisfied with the life He gave them, they want more. Such selfish cravings developed gradually in most creatures like Satan and some other angels in heaven, Adam, Eve and many other humans after them. All these creatures just wanted to have more than simple life, they want to explore their domain and even go beyond what God made available for them. In a bid to do this they have to rebel against their Creator who wants to continue guiding them on how to get the best out of life, that's what led to the original sin which is demanding for absolute freedom from God.

Jehovah is Holy meaning pure in heart so He decided to allow them have what they want but told them that the end result will be disastrous! Genesis 3:15-19

First of all angels who were created with immortal bodies will get to a stage where they will no more enjoy their existence as they continue to distance themselves from God and as for humans their mortal bodies will begin to expire until it can't sustain life anymore so they will die and that's what has been happening to all the descendants of Adam till today. Psalms 49:7-9; 89:48 compare to Ecclesiastes 3:19-20

So what brought about a covenant?

God's good intentions towards us never changed {Isaiah 55:11} He wants us to have what He intended from the beginning so to right the wrong Adam and Eve started in Eden God decided to redeem (obedient) mankind from the cause of death. So only those who enter into a COVENANT with Him will benefit from this wonderful provision, that is what led to the pact or binding agreement between God and obedient mankind!

Now since Adam and Eve were our first parents we don't deserve to be alive talkless having it in abundance so something has to come in between us and God as a propitiatory sacrifice for cleansing. Because Adam who sold us into slavery to sin and death was a perfect human the person who will pay for our sin must also be a perfect human, that's where Jesus come in he chose to be that perfect human who will connect us back to God's original purpose for us. God foretold this immediately after the incident in the garden of Eden! Genesis 3:15

So Jesus' life on earth has three main purposes.
(1) he will serve as the perfect sacrifice for the sin of all obedient mankind so that we may be cleansed completely.
(2) he will expose Satan's secrets and how the devil wants to deprive us from gaining everlasting life.
(3) he will continue to lead us to the path where we will gain accurate knowledge about God.

Now the first and second purpose has nothing to do with our own effort because God and Jesus are to play those parts but the last one is what we must get involved with if we want to become a beneficiary of this wonderful provision. Jesus can't lead you when you fail to avail yourself for his program, he arranged for a global training by setting up a group that will bring all obedient mankind together under one umbrella for the peace pact between us and God. That's why the Christian congregation was established in the first century.
Satan knew that if all mankind should get the sense of this provision then nobody will loose their salvation, and Satan and his angels are already on a death row because God has set a date when He will destroy them for good.
So out of spite Satan and his angels are fighting back by creating more and more religious groups in the same name of Jesus but they knew that the one and only secret behind mankind's salvation is complete obedience to God's plan so they connected all their religions to politics which is the only stumbling block for whoever wants to follow God's arrangement.

So no matter how you try as long as you're interested in the political affairs of this world you can't work towards your salvation as you'll continue to distance yourself from complete obedience to God's Kingdom plan.
It's like someone trying to be loyal to two rival political parties, is that possible? Of course not! Matthew 6:24

Jehovah's Witnesses organization is just a group like all other religions when they started in the 1870s but when Jesus returned in 1914 he found out that this group is prepared for correction unlike other groups that believe in the understanding of their human founders, JWs believe that those who started this journey may have good intentions but they're not infallible so that is what Jesus saw in this group before choosing them and began leading them. That's why they keep improving in their dealings and today all what God said about those who will follow the Prince of Peace to gain salvation is obvious in this group! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

That's why i always tell anyone who wants to listen that Jehovah's Witnesses is the one and only group that Jesus is leading, it's not that i just wake up one day and choose to be one of Jehovah's Witnesses NO! I have studied them well and discovered that they're the only group practicing what Jesus taught today!

Good, I agree with you on your explanation ( though not all ). To avoid distraction, how is a covenant made? This another form of my question: the ingredients of covenant. Please explain.

MightySparrow:

Good, I agree with you on your explanation ( though not all ). To avoid distraction, how is a covenant made? This another form of my question: the ingredients of covenant. Please explain.

COVENANT: A pact or binding agreement between two individuals or between many people.

A covenant is established when there is a problem leading to enmity between two or more parties, they will agree on terms and conditions then both parties will stick to the bindings.

After the incident that happened in Eden the first human whose utterances touched God's heart was the man "Abraham" this man uttered a speech that really moved Jehovah:


"It is unthinkable that you would act in this manner by putting the righteous man to death with the wicked one so that the outcome for the righteous man and the wicked is the same! It is unthinkable of you. Will the Judge of all the earth not do what is right?” Genesis 18:25

With the above statement Abraham proved that he knew God to be a person having real principle that He Himself doesn't overstep!

That's why God established a lasting Covenant with that man and called Abraham the father of all those having FAITH in Him! Romans 4:11

So a covenant binds two or more persons so that both parties will stick to the bindings.

Under must obedient mankind will have what God purposed and under must God will provide what He promised, that's what a COVENANT means.

That's why Jesus (God's Son) could say about his father:

"And the One who sent me is with me; he did not abandon me to myself, BECAUSE I always do the things pleasing to him.” John 8:29

Jesus is here making us to understand that God is so pure in heart to the extent that He can't abandon His obedient children!

So obedience is what God requires of mankind that's why you people always say "their GB is deciding everything for them" Of course we know that the orders we're getting from the GB is not from man's initiative, it's God's plan to gather obedient mankind together under one umbrella. So if anyone wants to be a beneficiary of God's kingdom blessings what such a person needs to do is find out the organization that's submitting to God's plans! Zephaniah 2:2-3

Failure to do this is tantamount to rebellion!

As for INGREDIENTS of a covenant that doesn't have any specific terms. David and Jonathan had a covenant and no ingredients was used other than simple agreement.

Jesus' sacrificial death only wash our sins away but only those that come under God's Kingdom plan can benefit from that sacrifice! John 3:16

MaxInDHouse:


COVENANT: A pact or binding agreement between two individuals or between many people.

A covenant is established when there is a problem leading to enmity between two or more parties, they will agree on terms and conditions then both parties will stick to the bindings.

After the incident that happened in Eden the first human whose utterances touched God's heart was the man "Abraham" this man uttered a speech that really moved Jehovah:


"It is unthinkable that you would act in this manner by putting the righteous man to death with the wicked one so that the outcome for the righteous man and the wicked is the same! It is unthinkable of you. Will the Judge of all the earth not do what is right?” Genesis 18:25

With the above statement Abraham proved that he knew God to be a person having real principle that He Himself doesn't overstep!

That's why God established a lasting Covenant with that man and called Abraham the father of all those having FAITH in Him! Romans 4:11

So a covenant binds two or more persons so that both parties will stick to the bindings.

Under must obedient mankind will have what God purposed and under must God will provide what He promised, that's what a COVENANT means.

That's why Jesus (God's Son) could say about his father:

"And the One who sent me is with me; he did not abandon me to myself, BECAUSE I always do the things pleasing to him.” John 8:29

Jesus is here making us to understand that God is so pure in heart to the extent that He can't abandon His obedient children!

So obedience is what God requires of mankind that's why you people always say "their GB is deciding everything for them" Of course we know that the orders we're getting from the GB is not from man's initiative, it's God's plan to gather obedient mankind together under one umbrella. So if anyone wants to be a beneficiary of God's kingdom blessings what such a person needs to do is find out the organization that's submitting to God's plans! Zephaniah 2:2-3

Failure to do this is tantamount to rebellion!

As for INGREDIENTS of a covenant that doesn't have any specific terms. David and Jonathan had a covenant and no ingredients was used other than simple agreement.

Jesus' sacrificial death only wash our sins away but only those that come under God's Kingdom plan can benefit from that sacrifice! John 3:16

I am enjoying your contribution now.
However, covenant between Abraham and God was Made to secure assurance to promise made.

8 And he said, Lord GOD, whereby shall I know that I shall inherit it? 9 And he said unto him, Take me an heifer of three years old, and a she goat of three years old, and a ram of three years old, and a turtledove, and a young pigeon. 10 And he took unto him all these, and divided them in the midst, and laid each piece one against another: but the birds divided he not. 11 And when the fowls came down upon the carcases, Abram drove them away. 12 And when the sun was going down, a deep sleep fell upon Abram; and, lo, an horror of great darkness fell upon him. 13 And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years; 14 And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance. 15 And thou shalt go to thy fathers in peace; thou shalt be buried in a good old age. 16 But in the fourth generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full. 17 And it came to pass, that, when the sun went down, and it was dark, behold a smoking furnace, and a burning lamp that passed between those pieces. 18 In the same day the Lord made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates: 19 The Kenites, and the Kenizzites, and the Kadmonites,
Note verse 8, again. The covenant between Joshua and Gibeonites, David and Jonathan are for security.

Anyways, what I mean by ingredients: 1. There must be an offer and acceptance (promise) 2. A witness (hmm) God didn't need one he swore by Himself 3. A meeting place. 4. Exchange of items for covenant (gifts)
5. Identification or a token. Something to mark ownership. ( Circumcision with Abraham)
6. Presence of the parties (not by proxy)
Are these right in Genesis 15?

MightySparrow:


I am enjoying your contribution now.
However, covenant between Abraham and God was Made to secure assurance to promise made.

8 And he said, Lord GOD, whereby shall I know that I shall inherit it? 9 And he said unto him, Take me an heifer of three years old, and a she goat of three years old, and a ram of three years old, and a turtledove, and a young pigeon. 10 And he took unto him all these, and divided them in the midst, and laid each piece one against another: but the birds divided he not. 11 And when the fowls came down upon the carcases, Abram drove them away. 12 And when the sun was going down, a deep sleep fell upon Abram; and, lo, an horror of great darkness fell upon him. 13 And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years; 14 And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance. 15 And thou shalt go to thy fathers in peace; thou shalt be buried in a good old age. 16 But in the fourth generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full. 17 And it came to pass, that, when the sun went down, and it was dark, behold a smoking furnace, and a burning lamp that passed between those pieces. 18 In the same day the Lord made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates: 19 The Kenites, and the Kenizzites, and the Kadmonites,
Note verse 8, again. The covenant between Joshua and Gibeonites, David and Jonathan are for security.

Anyways, what I mean by ingredients: 1. There must be an offer and acceptance (promise) 2. A witness (hmm) God didn't need one he swore by Himself 3. A meeting place. 4. Exchange of items for covenant (gifts)
5. Identification or a token. Something to mark ownership. ( Circumcision with Abraham)
6. Presence of the parties (not by proxy)
Are these right in Genesis 15?

The main objective of a covenant is the binding any item will do not necessarily there must be all what you mentioned.
The purpose is about agreement on something and both parties will stand by the bindings, that's all.

MaxInDHouse:


The main objective of a covenant is the binding any item will do not necessarily there must be all what you mentioned.
The purpose is about agreement on something and both parties will stand by the bindings, that's all.

Is marriage a covenant?

MightySparrow:

Is marriage a covenant?

YES!

MaxInDHouse:

YES!

Which of the six conditions are not necessary in a marriage?

MightySparrow:

Which of the six conditions are not necessary in a marriage?

When God did the first marriage for Adam and Eve what were the conditions?
Adam only looked at her in appreciation and said "this is the best thing that ever happened to me" so they decided to stick together, that's all no items they only had themselves.
So a man needs to see the woman as his own Eve like there's no other that's all!

MightySparrow:


Janosky you are just a copy and paste JW's

zealot. I will advise you stay away from this. Let matured MaxInDHouse continue. Please.

3 questions for MightySparrow,According to the holy Bible...

#1
@Matthew 3:16-17 & Matthew 12:15-18,did the baptism of Jesus Christ identify him as Jehovah's servant?

#2
@ Acts 3:13 & Isaiah 43:10,21, Acts 15:14,17 & John 9:4,are Jesus Christ and the disciples Jehovah's witnesses?

#3
@Isaiah 43:10,21,2 Chronicles 7:14 (ASV), how does Jehovah address His chosen servants?

If MightySparrow get liver let him disprove the scriptures attached to each question .

Janosky:

3 questions for MightySparrow,According to the holy Bible...

#1
@Matthew 3:16-17 & Matthew 12:15-18,did the baptism of Jesus Christ identify him as Jehovah's servant?

#2
@ Acts 3:13 & Isaiah 43:10,21, Acts 15:14,17 & John 9:4,are Jesus Christ and the disciples Jehovah's witnesses?

#3
@Isaiah 43:10,21,2 Chronicles 7:14 (ASV), how does Jehovah address His chosen servants?

If MightySparrow get liver let him disprove the scriptures attached to each question .

Janosky, don't contribute yet, biko.

MaxInDHouse:

When God did the first marriage for Adam and Eve what were the conditions?
Adam only looked at her in appreciation and said "this is the best thing that ever happened to me" so they decided to stick together, that's all no items they only had themselves.
So a man needs to see the woman as his own Eve like there's no other that's all!

On a second thought, you don't consider marriage as a covenant. Mal. 2:14
Okay.
However, Covenant these covenants, God and Abraham Gen. 15; Gen 31: 45 - 55; Exodus 24; I Sam18 4 - 6, can you notice a pattern?

MightySparrow:

On a second thought, you don't consider marriage as a covenant. Mal. 2:14
Okay.
However, Covenant these covenants, God and Abraham Gen. 15; Gen 31: 45 - 55; Exodus 24; I Sam18 4 - 6, can you notice a pattern?

What exactly are you driving at with this case of covenant?

You have said the truth bro. Every Religion is a Cult. They have their own set rules one must follow to become their member and they control the person with that rules.

That was never the plan of the Sovereign Father. Since Creation till today what He gave man was the ability to choose the way He wish to live His life - Free-will. All He gave them was His laws and this laws is to help them know what is right and wrong. He didn't force anyone to confirm or follow what He said. You choose who you want to serve. He didn't create any Religion that bind people into one place and tell them to do this and do that or try to control you. The aim of Religion is to control the way you live - Mind Control! Re means Return while Ligion/Legion means Thug demons that deceive. It means the return of decievers who teach lies and perform false miracles.

The Creator of Heaven and Earth gave man His Spirit which everyone who believe recieve as a seal. Thru it, He knows you, watch you, you hear Him and commune with Him. You need no Religion or a certain rules from a brainwashed set of people to know him or serve him cos you have His spirit in you who directs your life since the very day you decide to repent and run away from evil. The true sheep according to Christianity are those who hear His voice not those who belong to a certain group or Church. To serve the Father all you need is His word and His direction not Church, Pastors etc The words -Christianity, Church etc were interpreted out of context by wicked translators of a Hebrew Script they don't understand.

The true way which many don't know was lost and thieves established religions to replace it. Before that true way is restored this endtime, all religion must pass out. Emancipate yourself from Religious slavery. The true way is a secret lifestyle between a man and His maker.

bobestman:

You have said the truth bro. Every Religion is a Cult. They have their own set rules one must follow to become their member and they control the person with that rules.

That was never the plan of the Sovereign Father. Since Creation till today what He gave man was the ability to choose the way He wish to live His life - Free-will. All He gave them was His laws and this laws is to help them know what is right and wrong. He didn't force anyone to confirm or follow what He said. You choose who you want to serve. He didn't create any Religion that bind people into one place and tell them to do this and do that or try to control you. The aim of Religion is to control the way you live - Mind Control! Re means Return while Ligion/Legion means Thug demons that deceive. It means the return of decievers who teach lies and perform false miracles.

The Creator of Heaven and Earth gave man His Spirit which everyone who believe recieve as a seal. Thru it, He knows you, watch you, you hear Him and commune with Him. You need no Religion or a certain rules from a brainwashed set of people to know him or serve him cos you have His spirit in you who directs your life since the very day you decide to repent and run away from evil. The true sheep according to Christianity are those who hear His voice not those who belong to a certain group or Church. To serve the Father all you need is His word and His direction not Church, Pastors etc The words -Christianity, Church etc were interpreted out of context by wicked translators of a Hebrew Script they don't understand.

The true way which many don't know was lost and thieves established religions to replace it. Before that true way is restored this endtime, all religion must pass out. Emancipate yourself from Religious slavery. The true way is a secret lifestyle between a man and His maker.

So how do you solve the problem of WARS when one community will arrange for weapons to destroy another community?