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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Jodera: 4:23pm On Oct 29, 2021
raumdeuter:


How was Bayern top of their game then when Klopp won? The time Bayern got on top of their game in the treble season,, he finished 25points behind Bayern



Has Klopp shown he can do it at a high pressure environment like Madrid or do you think Madrid will allow him stay 3 seasons without a trophy?

Klopp is a great coach but he has never shown that he can win in a high pressure environment and ego filled dressing room like Zidane did

Klopp prefers projects without pressure where they will give him time. If Klopp leaves Liverpool next stop might be AC Milan. A club without much expectations and will give him time
Bayern won the league 2007/08 and 09/10. After that, they've won it consecutively from 2013 upwards. If a team who won the league 2/3 years is not top of the game, I don't know what top of the game means then.

Klopp has shown that even with his team who aren't World class, he can slug it out with the very best and playing entertainment football while giving results.

Did Bayern go for klopp before his stint with Dortmund and he turned it down?
Did man u go for klopp immediately Ferguson retired and he turned it down?

So if the big clubs did not come for him at the right time, how is it his fault? So why blame him that he can't manage big clubs wen dey didn't come for him?

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by donstan18: 4:24pm On Oct 29, 2021
Jodera:

1... Dortmund won their last trophy in 2001/2002. So it took them 10yrs in the wilderness and a different breed of players before they could win it again with klopp and you want to sweep that under the carpet?? It's like arsenal winning the league next season and then their fans claim it's normal cos Wenger last won it 2004. Lol

2... How many finals did he bottle
1 carabao cup in his debut season
1 Europa in his first full season
1 Cl final in his 2nd season

While you see bottling, I'm seeing progress. Little wonder he won the league and Cl after his 2nd full season.

You'll call his Dortmund Cl loss as another bottling, but you fail to talk how he waya Bayern 6-1 in the finals in their German fa cup alongside winning the league. This una "klopp is failure finalist" won't fly


3... Which coach no dey get issue with star players sometimes? Is it having issues with players OR resolving the issues after that is the koko?
Klopp and Mane have resolved their issues, so why are you still saying they're having issues?

moreover, let's close our eyes to the fact that Zidane and bale no get issues.

Lastly, I'm not talking about grassroot here. Pep is one of the best coach in world football same as klopp. Zidane no be their mate. Make zidane go drag with tuchel
Ranieri won Epl with Leicester with less expensive players.

Pep won Epl with ManCity after spending millions on players.

Between Pep and Ranieri, who’s better?

Bros Na direct answer I need. cheesy
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by AnfieldFan: 4:25pm On Oct 29, 2021
raumdeuter:


Klopp did the same thing Wolfsburg and Stuttgart did. They caught Bayern at a period of weakness and won the league

By 2013, Klopp was finishing 25points behind Bayern

Answer my simple question,

B4 Klopp, when last did Dortmund win the Bundlesliga..
When last did Bayern win it b4 Klopp..
Where the players I mentioned in Bayern when he won it..
Bayern poached Lewandoski, that's enough to kill all the momentum he built..But Lewa isn't the only star you guys poached!

Klopp is generally regarded in football circles as better than Zidane and that's certified...

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 4:25pm On Oct 29, 2021
A40:
I actually admire Klopp's style and man management but there's a reason he will always avoid the big clubs with high expectations like a plague

Madrid wey don dirty managers greater than Klopp.

If we had this argument in 2007, they will say the same about Benitez that since he made 2 CL finals with Liverpool, if he gets to Madrid he will win 20

Benitez didn't even last 6months

Or if Mourinho could win CL with Inter and Porto, imagine how many he will win with rich clubs like Man utd and Madrid

Na here we dey

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Jodera: 4:25pm On Oct 29, 2021
liveLongNprospa:


Madrid finished 2pts shy of which second when Zidane took over?

Both times Zidane took over, our season was horrible.
First with from Benitez then from Solari (I hope that's the correct spelling)
was it not 2015/2016 him came?
The previous season and the season before that, what was Madrid position both in cl and league (like where did they finish in both)?

That's to tell you the kinda great team Madrid is, just a blip mid season won't clean that
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by AnfieldFan: 4:26pm On Oct 29, 2021
Jodera:
Bayern won the league 2007/08 and 09/10. After that, they've won it consecutively from 2013 upwards. If a team who won the league 2/3 years is not top of the game, I don't know what top of the game means then.

Klopp has shown that even with his team who aren't World class, he can slug it out with the very best and playing entertainment football while giving results.

Did Bayern go for klopp before his stint with Dortmund and he turned it down?
Did man u go for klopp immediately Ferguson retired and he turned it down?

So if the big clubs did not come for him at the right time, how is it his fault? So why blame him that he can't manage big clubs wen dey didn't come for him?

Actually, Man United did..But his wife encouraged to refuse the offer...He told Fergie no..

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by BlueAngel444: 4:27pm On Oct 29, 2021
Jodera:
Diego Simeone haven't carried CL so there's no comparison.

Zidane is a V.good coach no doubt, but not near klopp. Even his 2nd stint at Madrid have only faded barca (with only messi) and athletico to slug it out with. You can't compare it with klopp Liverpool who have endless money of Man city to drag it with right from the scratch.
When Zidane arrived at R.Madrid, they were a very very top team, you can't say same from klopp at Dortmund or Liverpool
been a great manager and coach is making the best use of the squad you have and that's what Zidane did even when other managers failed at it, even without buying over the odds players. No one can say Zidane won because he bought so so and so player, but that can be said of Klopp at Liverpool that without Van dijk or Salah where would Liverpool be, but Zidane the whole story of it's of of Ronald died off with his second stint, the same players other managers failed to utilize, he not only stabilize the team but won the league and almost got to another UCL finals.

Na this Madrid club way Varane been dey defend nonsense, courtios was a basket, Modric was looking like a very old tired man, Benzema couldn't find his bearing. You want to tell me you would have given that Madrid to any other manager and we wouldn't have been mid table.

Barca's problem was poor management, Madrid were just unlucky last season and ATM had better inform players in the league and won it, partly due to stupid barca giving them suarez. People who undermine Zidane's work do so, because he made it seem so easy. Shey it was Ramos that was our highest league scorer the season we won LA liga

How was Madrid a very top team and Zidane was hired first a care taker, sacking that nonsense benitez, before he was fully hired.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by donstan18: 4:27pm On Oct 29, 2021
raumdeuter:


Klopp did the same thing Wolfsburg and Stuttgart did. They caught Bayern at a period of weakness and won the league

By 2013, Klopp was finishing 25points behind Bayern

Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 4:27pm On Oct 29, 2021
Jodera:
Bayern won the league 2007/08 and 09/10. After that, they've won it consecutively from 2013 upwards. If a team who won the league 2/3 years is not top of the game, I don't know what top of the game means then.

Klopp has shown that even with his team who aren't World class, he can slug it out with the very best and playing entertainment football while giving results.

Did Bayern go for klopp before his stint with Dortmund and he turned it down?
Did man u go for klopp immediately Ferguson retired and he turned it down?

So if the big clubs did not come for him at the right time, how is it his fault? So why blame him that he can't manage big clubs wen dey didn't come for him?

From 2013 till now Bayern has won 7
Before 2013. Bayern lost the league to Dorrmund Stuttgart and Wolfsburg

How is Bayern that's losing the league to Stuttgart and Wolfsburg top of their game?

We should also be praising the coaches of Stuttgart and Wolfsburg for winning the league from top of their game Bayern
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Jodera: 4:28pm On Oct 29, 2021
A40:
There were definitely in turmoil else they wouldn't have sacked his predecessor midseason
Does that mean it wasn't a great team he met there capable of winning everything?
My point is clear, zidane is a great coach, not undermining his feat, cos it's not easy feat.
But he's not better or more tactical than klopp
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by AnfieldFan: 4:29pm On Oct 29, 2021
donstan18:

Ranieri won Epl with Leicester with less expensive players.

Pep won Epl with ManCity after spending millions on players.

Between Pep and Ranieri, who’s better?

Bros Na direct answer I need. cheesy

Pep has pedigree else were...If Klopp wins the league this season and Pep leaves after this season without the Champions league... Klopp's stint in England would be regarded as more successful.

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 4:30pm On Oct 29, 2021
AnfieldFan:


Answer my simple question,

B4 Klopp, when last did Dortmund win the Bundlesliga..
When last did Bayern win it b4 Klopp..
Where the players I mentioned in Bayern when he won it..
Bayern poached Lewandoski, that's enough to kill all the momentum he built..But Lewa isn't the only star you guys poached!

Klopp is generally regarded in football circles as better than Zidane and that's certified...

In 2013 Klopp finished 25 points behind Bayern with Lewandowski playing for him

In 2014 he finished 19 points behind Bayern with Lewandowski

The only season Klopp played without Lewandowski was when he finished 7th on the table
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by AnfieldFan: 4:30pm On Oct 29, 2021
raumdeuter:


Madrid wey don dirty managers greater than Klopp.

If we had this argument in 2007, they will say the same about Benitez that since he made 2 CL finals with Liverpool, if he gets to Madrid he will win 20

Benitez didn't even last 6months

Or if Mourinho could win CL with Inter and Porto, imagine how many he will win with rich clubs like Man utd and Madrid

Na here we dey

Mou won a title with Madrid, that's mute...
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by donstan18: 4:31pm On Oct 29, 2021
AnfieldFan:


Pep has pedigree else were...If Klopp wins the league this season and Pep leaves after this season without the Champions league... Klopp's stint in England would be regarded as more successful.
Bros Shea you know you didn’t answer the question?
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 4:31pm On Oct 29, 2021
Jodera:
Does that mean it wasn't a great team he met there capable of winning everything?
My point is clear, zidane is a great coach, not undermining his feat, cos it's not easy feat.
But he's not better or more tactical than klopp

Zidane won 3 CL back to back

No one has ever won 2 before him and after him

Zidane Is the reason that Madrid is being regarded as a great team
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 4:32pm On Oct 29, 2021
AnfieldFan:


Mou won a title with Madrid, that's mute...

How many CL did he win?

Mou won 1 league, Zidane won 2
You think anyone will be capping for Zidane If he only won 1 league title at Madeid

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by donstan18: 4:33pm On Oct 29, 2021
How can you even day Klopp is better than Zidane?

How? In what aspect? In managing academy boys? cheesy
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Jodera: 4:33pm On Oct 29, 2021
liveLongNprospa:


So how come nobody was able to win when Zidane left the team. How is it possible that Zidane gave us our 2nd greatest defensive record in la liga when he came back.
That Zidane took over mid season and won the UCL and took us to 1 or 2pts behind league leaders and then do the double next season was nothing short of genius.
You can't say it's because of Ronaldo because the goat has always been the goat for other managers before Zidane.
I will ask you a simple question, how many of our matches did you watch last season?
Simple, cos the coaches that took over wasn't world class coaches!

I didn't watch matches last season(since no Ronaldo. I stopped watching Madrid match post Ronaldo, tho I read news on them)
But the matches under Zidane, with Ronaldo, I won't doubt he's good (esp the double where he used mostly 2nd 11 in league), but klopp have shown over time that he's better and more tactical than him. His stints at Dortmund and Liverpool says so
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by BlueAngel444: 4:34pm On Oct 29, 2021
donstan18:

Klopp wasn’t the first manager to win Bundesliga for Dortmund, I stand to be corrected.

That m’dafuqa kept on messing lots of finals up like he’s cursed. All thanks to Mou who he learnt that act of parking bus to win Spurs in 2019 to win Ucl.

There’s absolutely nothing new he did for Dortmund, the problem with most of you is y’all don’t value people when they achieve something with proper requirements, una dey prefer when people suffer front and black to achieve something, una like stress, same reason people love Wizkid more the Davido. Grass to grace, Na Wetin una dey like, suffering.

Zidane and Klopp no be mate.

Achievements, head2head, trophies and any metric you’ll wanna bring here, he’ll comfortably beat Klopp.

Klop wey never manage Mane finish, Na Ronaldo, Marcelo, Ramos, Benzema, Modric and other world class players he wan manage.

Can Klopp deal with Madrid pressure??

Una dey fvck up walai!
leave them na, no mind them. I like klopp but the level of disrespect Zizou gets eh.

Klopp had a great XI at the UCL final yet he lost to Zizou, all this players Zizou managed were in their 30s
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Devvy4: 4:35pm On Oct 29, 2021
Jodera:

1... Dortmund won their last trophy in 2001/2002. So it took them 10yrs in the wilderness and a different breed of players before they could win it again with klopp and you want to sweep that under the carpet?? It's like arsenal winning the league next season and then their fans claim it's normal cos Wenger last won it 2004. Lol

2... How many finals did he bottle
1 carabao cup in his debut season
1 Europa in his first full season
1 Cl final in his 2nd season

While you see bottling, I'm seeing progress. Little wonder he won the league and Cl after his 2nd full season.

You'll call his Dortmund Cl loss as another bottling, but you fail to talk how he waya Bayern 6-1 in the finals in their German fa cup alongside winning the league. This una "klopp is failure finalist" won't fly


3... Which coach no dey get issue with star players sometimes? Is it having issues with players OR resolving the issues after that is the koko?
Klopp and Mane have resolved their issues, so why are you still saying they're having issues?

moreover, let's close our eyes to the fact that Zidane and bale no get issues.

Lastly, I'm not talking about grassroot here. Pep is one of the best coach in world football same as klopp. Zidane no be their mate. Make zidane go drag with tuchel


And what’s the special thing(s) pep has done in football?

He has spent more than 1 billion in city and he hasn’t even have a Ucl trophy, Zidane is clear of that fraudster
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 4:35pm On Oct 29, 2021
Jodera:
Simple, cos the coaches that took over wasn't world class coaches!

I didn't watch matches last season(since no Ronaldo. I stopped watching Madrid match post Ronaldo, tho I read news on them)
But the matches under Zidane, with Ronaldo, I won't doubt he's good (esp the double where he used mostly 2nd 11 in league), but klopp have shown over time that he's better and more tactical than him. His stints at Dortmund and Liverpool says so

How has Klopp shown that he is more tactical when Zidane is beating him anytime they meet

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Devvy4: 4:36pm On Oct 29, 2021
BlueAngel444:
leave them na, no mind them. I like klopp but the level of disrespect Zizou gets eh.

Klopp had a great XI at the UCL final yet he lost to Zizou, all this players Zizou managed were in their 30s

Zidane schooled klopp without any of Madrid first choice defenders

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by BlueAngel444: 4:36pm On Oct 29, 2021
liveLongNprospa:


Madrid finished 2pts shy of which second when Zidane took over?

Both times Zidane took over, our season was horrible.
First with from Benitez then from Solari (I hope that's the correct spelling)
and both managers are supposed to be great tactically, yet they didn't out perform Zizou

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by AnfieldFan: 4:37pm On Oct 29, 2021
raumdeuter:


In 2013 Klopp finished 25 points behind Bayern with Lewandowski playing for him

In 2014 he finished 19 points behind Bayern with Lewandowski

The only season Klopp played without Lewandowski was when he finished 7th on the table

Klopp was without his entire back line due to injuries to the extent Manuel who was retired and club less (Released by Bayern Leverkusen) had to be called out of retirement for Dortmund...Gundogan who was the heart of his midfield picked up an injury that lasted more than a year..There were extenuating circumstances...Hummels and Bender who was also a strong midfield presence picked up injuries too
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by donstan18: 4:37pm On Oct 29, 2021
BlueAngel444:
leave them na, no mind them. I like klopp but the level of disrespect Zizou gets eh.

Klopp had a great XI at the UCL final yet he lost to Zizou, all this players Zizou managed were in their 30s
Na last season off me.

Zidane used Vinicius to humiliate Klopp
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by BlueAngel444: 4:38pm On Oct 29, 2021
Devvy4:


Zidane schooled klopp without any of Madrid first choice defenders
if people keep saying somebody is lucky, then it is not luck but hardworking. Zidane dotted his i's and crossed his it's

Why is it so surprising that a man who was a very intelligent footballer was a great manager

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Jodera: 4:38pm On Oct 29, 2021
liveLongNprospa:

Do you know how long it took klopp to be successful at Liverpool?
The Madrid job is a succeed or die position.
How many managers know how to manage a group of superstars? How many managers do you know can get Ronaldo to sit out games in the league consistently?
While this is true, but as long as there is obvious improvements one way or the other, you won't be sacked. Klopp can definitely do that.

If it's to manage group of superstars, I believe klopp can do such. He has the aura and the charisma for that. Klopp can, Pep can .
But to tell Cr7 to sit out games, I doubt that.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by AnfieldFan: 4:38pm On Oct 29, 2021
raumdeuter:


Zidane won 3 CL back to back

No one has ever won 2 before him and after him

Zidane Is the reason that Madrid is being regarded as a great team


This is just so mind boggling... Even for you, this is a new low...

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Devvy4: 4:38pm On Oct 29, 2021
AnfieldFan:


Klopp was without his entire back line due to injuries to the extent Manuel who was retired and club less (Released by Bayern Leverkusen) had to be called out of retirement for Dortmund...Gundogan who was the heart of his midfield picked up an injury that lasted more than a year..There were extenuating circumstances...Hummels and Bender who was also a strong midfield presence picked up injuries too


When Zidane played Liverpool last season without his first choice back line, what happened?
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Ebukacute(m): 4:38pm On Oct 29, 2021
Please where am i? Chei!!!!
Chelsea/Bayern fans vs arsenal/Liverpool fans arguing in man utd threa!!!
How the mighty take fall . bro oasis drop training pictures for ur nah,make we dey prepare for Sunday's trashing wey ole go give spurs.
Ole on the wheel jor. This is the best man utd we have ever seen. grin

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by AnfieldFan: 4:39pm On Oct 29, 2021
raumdeuter:


How many CL did he win?

Mou won 1 league, Zidane won 2
You think anyone will be capping for Zidane If he only won 1 league title at Madeid

How long did Zidane manage Madrid generally and how long did You manage for?

If Mou was so bad, why did the call back for r him when Zidane left?
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nezzjnr: 4:40pm On Oct 29, 2021
I'm very sure we'll win tomorrow even though we don't want the Team to win cheesy cheesy

Ole has a way of staying in his Job.

But anyway.... Everyday for the Thief.... One day for the owner

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