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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Xbee007(m): 7:44pm On Nov 01, 2021
DubaiLandLord1:
In a video circulating online, the military men can be seen with machine guns shooting into civilian homes.

The place and time where this incident happened is yet to be confirmed.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOSFLBumhSQ

I hope they get seriously punished for this. The gunner almost shot his friend on the head.

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by decatalyst(m): 7:54pm On Nov 01, 2021
Xbee007:

I hope they get seriously punished for this. The gunner almost shot his friend on the head.

You noticed. Gross indiscipline and show of lack of professionalism.

Obviously it's an army personnel that shot this video . For what purpose? To showboat?

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Whyem15: 7:57pm On Nov 01, 2021
DubaiLandLord1:
In a video circulating online, the military men can be seen with machine guns shooting into civilian homes.

The place and time where this incident happened is yet to be confirmed.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOSFLBumhSQ



And the idiots even recorded themselves doing this, with some of them struggling to feature in the video cheesy


Perfect scapegoats for DHQ to send messages to other soldiers and the international community that the military doesn't condone such acts.

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by EricBraven: 8:40pm On Nov 01, 2021
Toju200:
I remembered someone here classifying the Tucanos as Noisy turbo prop aircraft...
I wonder why ISWAP couldn't figure out what hit them...
The air Force used silencer, grin grin grin grin

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by EricBraven: 8:41pm On Nov 01, 2021
Whyem15:



And the idiots even recorded themselves doing this, with some of them struggling to feature in the video cheesy


Perfect scapegoats for DHQ to send messages to other soldiers and the international community that the military doesn't condone such acts.
Dhq will surely do something before this week runs out

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by komekn(m): 9:52pm On Nov 01, 2021
Stormtrooper11:

Exactly. The fv101, fv103 and fv107 are already good platforms if utilized appropriately and properly.
For people clamouring for IFVs, i tell you what, those IFVs ain't gonna win you this war in no time. That's a misperception of things on ground. We got a whole lotta Vickers mk. 3 MBTs and T 55s prior to the purchase of T 72m1 and VT4 tanks. Those older MBTs would've ended this war quickly if they were utilized appropriately. We all saw what Late. Lt-Col Abu Ali did with the 272 tank battalion's T 72s. It takes determination and commitment to the cause, to win a war of attrition.

Ignorance is bliss.

You are totally and completely out of your depth and your anylsis is anchored on thin air.

You may find this incredulous but one of the first military vehicles I went into in the British army was these very variants you are talking about.

That was way more than two decades ago.

They are ABSOLUTELY NOT FIT FOR PURPOSE and have been obsolete for decade's by most modern armies.

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by komekn(m): 9:54pm On Nov 01, 2021
Stormtrooper11:
Honestly, whoever suggested the Army to buy VT 4 tanks, did the right thing. The VT4 is the perfect MBT for the Nigerian army. Unless we want, a k2 panther or leopard 2 tanks, which I don't think we can get.
The VT4 MBT should be purchased in more quantities, upgraded and start a manufacturing plant here in Nigeria. We need to leverage on our relationship with Norinco.

Whoever made the suggestion to but the VT4 is simply put incompetent parochial thinking blind Bat.

No strategic understanding of holistic battlefield management.

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by komekn(m): 9:56pm On Nov 01, 2021
kabe1:


Nigeria lacks money to properly fund our military. It costs billions of dollars to procure equipment buy spares and train soldiers.

Nigerian lacks money and also lacks monetary discipline.

Nigerian procurement is blinded by the quest for sharp deals as opposed to be the best value approach and efficacy in procurement.

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by komekn(m): 10:05pm On Nov 01, 2021
kabe1:


Like I told you earlier, no amount of determination would win you are war.

Wars are won through strategy, tactics and the right equipment.

Tanks have a very low rate of fire when compared to IFVs.

Tanks require Infantry protection.

Tank ammunitions are expensive when compared to IFVs

Tank maintenance is not flexible like an IFV.

Tanks are generally more expensive to deploy.

Tanks are slower, consume more diesel and cannot cover the distance an IFV would cover.

Tanks require auxiliary vehicles to deploy them to the front lines.

Tanks are not recon vehicles as they don't have the profile or speed or maneuverability to perform reconnaissance missions.

Tanks cost 4 times the IFV.


No l disagree.

Not too long ago I put out a CHALLENGE to put an ALTERNATIVE substantive approach to best use of resources and how l would have best used just the $600 million wasted on those over hyped turbo props A29.

Everyone went silent apart from one or two .

Not too long ago a Vickers MK3 tank was abandoned and left for insurgents to destroy in the volatile NE.

A Vickers MK3 with its day and night sights and updated FIRE control system ,which we have. Should be able to take out 10 technicals in 5 minutes .

It's armour will not be penetrates by Rpg7's and or

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by jl115: 10:14pm On Nov 01, 2021
Whyem15:



And the idiots even recorded themselves doing this, with some of them struggling to feature in the video cheesy


Perfect scapegoats for DHQ to send messages to other soldiers and the international community that the military doesn't condone such acts.
they should be court martialed....it is unfortunate that the actions of a few tarnish the reputation of the other 99% that serve with honour and professionalism.....these incidents however are not unique to Nigeria or other African forces, they also happen in first world Militaries like the US.... There will always be bad apples

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by komekn(m): 10:16pm On Nov 01, 2021
bidexiii:
Pictures of NA commandos

What's the point of giving soldiers supposed " specialist training" at probably great expense. Then issue them with antiquated AK47 without any optic sights or laser and or grenade launchers.

It's like sending someone to Ferrari racing car driver school, then after passing out you isuue them with a Toyota Corolla.

That's just LUDICROUS.

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by jl115: 10:17pm On Nov 01, 2021
kabe1:


Like I told you earlier, no amount of determination would win you are war.

Wars are won through strategy, tactics and the right equipment.

Tanks have a very low rate of fire when compared to IFVs.

Tanks require Infantry protection.

Tank ammunitions are expensive when compared to IFVs

Tank maintenance is not flexible like an IFV.

Tanks are generally more expensive to deploy.

Tanks are slower, consume more diesel and cannot cover the distance an IFV would cover.

Tanks require auxiliary vehicles to deploy them to the front lines.

Tanks are not recon vehicles as they don't have the profile or speed or maneuverability to perform reconnaissance missions.

Tanks cost 4 times the IFV.

seconded

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by komekn(m): 10:18pm On Nov 01, 2021
bidexiii:
Pictures of nigerian special forces training in pakistan:

Whaaaten Pakistan wan teach us.

Chei Chei cheap article deh spoil belle.
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Hoverbird: 10:22pm On Nov 01, 2021
jl115:
they should be court martialed....it is unfortunate that the actions of a few tarnish the reputation of the other 99% that serve with honour and professionalism.....these incidents however are not unique to Nigeria or other African forces, they also happen in first world Militaries like the US.... There will always be bad apples
The Nigerian army have a history of poor human rights record it didn't start today, this has been the case since the 60's it is not a matter of a few individuals this is almost like a policy. Similar scenario happened in a village at Aba were Nigerian Soldiers went house to house butchering unarmed civilians with matchete the video is even on YouTube.
I won't be surprised if they deny it and some people here will shamelessly defend them.

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by jl115: 10:24pm On Nov 01, 2021
Hoverbird:

The Nigerian army have a history of poor human rights record it didn't start today, this has been the case since the 60's it is not a matter of a few individuals this is almost like a policy. Similar scenario happened in a village at Aba were Nigerian Soldiers went house to house butchering unarmed civilians with matchete.
I won't be surprised if they deny it and some people here will shamelessly defend them.
Nigeria just isn't as good at hiding its injustices like the US for example wink

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by komekn(m): 10:27pm On Nov 01, 2021
Hoverbird:

The Nigerian army have a history of poor human rights record it didn't start today, this has been the case since the 60's it is not a matter of a few individuals this is almost like a policy. Similar scenario happened in a village at Aba were Nigerian Soldiers went house to house butchering unarmed civilians with matchete.
I won't be surprised if they deny it and some people here will shamelessly defend them.

I will be very surprised by it they admit to it.

They are ALWAYS GOING TO DENY IT.

If soldiers can be caught on live TV shooting at nunarmed peaceful defenceless protestors and then DENY IT.

Is there anything they are not capable of denying.

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by komekn(m): 10:29pm On Nov 01, 2021
jl115:
Nigeria just isn't as good at hiding its injustices like the US for example wink

Agreed without question.

But then you will never see US Army personnel carrying out genocide in broad daylight and or beating up defenceless citizens for their evening entertainment.

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Hoverbird: 10:40pm On Nov 01, 2021
jl115:
Nigeria just isn't as good at hiding its injustices like the US for example wink
You people will always find a way to defend nonsense. How many time have you heard that US soldiers commit crimes against their own citizens? We need alot of reorientation in this country.

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Litmus: 11:09pm On Nov 01, 2021
Hoverbird:

You people will always find a way to defend nonsense. How many time have you heard that US soldiers commit crimes against their own citizens? We need alot of reorientation in this country.

Where did this take place, when, what platoon, regiment, casualties etc....

I recall how Cameroon authorities tried to deny the killing of several women by their soldiers and pass it off as having occurred in another country ( unspoken suspicion being placed on Nigeria) . However International interest lead to investigators being able to determine their guilt by use of satellite and other digital means. Cameroon had no hiding place in the end.

It is very important for what occurred in this vid to be made clear and transparent. Nigeria army should make a great deal of this so that no room is left for exploitation by agitators. If all turns out as it seems, then make an example of the soldiers, publicly, however difficult this may be to moral and reputation.

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Sizzorkay: 11:16pm On Nov 01, 2021
x.

make i no bother.
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Hoverbird: 11:32pm On Nov 01, 2021
Litmus:


Where did this take place, when, what platoon, regiment, casualties etc....

I recall how Cameroon authorities tried to deny the killing of several women by their soldiers and pass it off as having occurred in another country ( unspoken suspicion being placed on Nigeria) . However International interest lead to investigators being able to determine their guilt by use of satellite and other digital means. Cameroon had no hiding place in the end.

It is very important for what occurred in this vid to be made clear ad transparent. Nigeria army should make a great deal of this so that no room is left for exploitation by agitators. If al turns out as it seems, then make an example of the soldiers, publicly, however difficult this may be to moral and reputation.
Don't waste your time they've already denied it in their usual manner.
An utterly irresponsible organisation.

https://newsexpressngr.com/news/136616

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by RiceProducers: 11:49pm On Nov 01, 2021
Hoverbird:

The Nigerian army have a history of poor human rights record it didn't start today, this has been the case since the 60's it is not a matter of a few individuals this is almost like a policy. Similar scenario happened in a village at Aba were Nigerian Soldiers went house to house butchering unarmed civilians with matchete the video is even on YouTube.
I won't be surprised if they deny it and some people here will shamelessly defend them.

They are not human rights abuses. They are mini war crimes.

It helps not to kill soldiers deployed for internal security. Somehow whichever community does it comes away with tears.

It actually helps not to have soldiers deployed to your community. I have not seen where things have turned out differently. Even UN peace keeping forces abuse civillians, especially females.

Wisdom is scare in this age.
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by SamuelAnyawu(m): 1:35am On Nov 02, 2021
Hoverbird:

You people will always find a way to defend nonsense. How many time have you heard that US soldiers commit crimes against their own citizens? We need alot of reorientation in this country.

cool
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by GeneralFarouq: 3:05am On Nov 02, 2021
Hoverbird:

You people will always find a way to defend nonsense. How many time have you heard that US soldiers commit crimes against their own citizens? We need alot of reorientation in this country.
Is the US military deployed in it's homeland?
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 4:43am On Nov 02, 2021
jl115:
they should be court martialed....it is unfortunate that the actions of a few tarnish the reputation of the other 99% that serve with honour and professionalism.....these incidents however are not unique to Nigeria or other African forces, they also happen in first world Militaries like the US.... There will always be bad apples
Can you show me a video of the US Army behaving like this in the USA?

The only reason una dey scream nah because there is a video evidence.

This nah the way of the Nigerian army. Kill armless civilians and burn properties.

If Video no dey, everybody go dey shout say the Nigerian army is professional and can't do such a thing grin

A confuse army, dem too don dey chase after Yahoo boys too now cheesy

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Hoverbird: 4:44am On Nov 02, 2021
RiceProducers:


They are not human rights abuses. They are mini war crimes.

It helps not to kill soldiers deployed for internal security. Somehow whichever community does it comes away with tears.

It actually helps not to have soldiers deployed to your community. I have not seen where things have turned out differently. Even UN peace keeping forces abuse civillians, especially females.

Wisdom is scare in this age.
Very predictable, so the TASUED students that were brutalised in their school by the army killed soldiers abi? and they shamelessly raided the school with the MRAPs and guntrucks that is badly needed in the northeast going against the Geneva convention they're a signatory to.

indeed you're a special breed.

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 4:46am On Nov 02, 2021
jl115:
Nigeria just isn't as good at hiding its injustices like the US for example wink
Please where are the evidence on ground of USA shooting dead American citizens and burning their properties.

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 4:49am On Nov 02, 2021
This country dey always funny me grin

US soldiers don't go on the kind of rampage the Nigerian army dey go into.

Nigerian army go kill your people, pack their dead body go and burn houses and other properties and tell you dey didn't do it grin

All this kin things go just dey provoke people the more.

The way Nigerian army and terrorist group operate is the same.

But well sha, make we dey look cool

Nah person wey e touch dey know for body sha.

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Hoverbird: 4:58am On Nov 02, 2021
DubaiLandLord1:
This country dey always funny me grin

US soldiers don't go on the kind of rampage the Nigerian army dey go into.

Nigerian army go kill your people, pack their dead body go and burn houses and other properties and tell you dey didn't do it grin

All this kin things go just dey provoke people the more.

But well sha, make we dey look cool

Nah person wey e touch dey know for body sha.

What I tell some of these funny folks that defend the rascality of the military is that they should go and read The Posse Comitatus Act ; little wonder when Nigerian soldiers die in battle Nigerians don't bat an eyelid compared to the respect accorded the military in the US and other countries. Fela rightly called them Zombies and till date they keep justifying that statement it's unfortunate.
The entire security agencies in Nigeria needs serious reorientation infact recruits/enlisted soldiers should be mandated to go for a 1 year compulsory course on human rights and allied matters before they even begin basic military course.

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 5:02am On Nov 02, 2021
Soldiers of the Nigeria Army on Monday invaded Isingwu, a hamlet in Imama Village, Mgbowo in Awgu Local Government Area of Enugu State and burnt houses with an undisclosed number of youths killed for yet to be identified reasons.

However, some accounts claimed the soldiers were in the community to arrest an alleged leader of the Eastern Security Network, the security arm of Indigenous People of Biafra, who hailed from the community.

A source told our correspondent that the said suspect, known as Chocho, was said to be at large when the military personnel invaded around the community at about 5am and started shooting indiscriminately, burning houses including the family house of the said suspect.

“They torched his house and sprayed bullets in nearby compounds. In short, the soldiers who were chanting jihadist songs were burning properties in the community like they were at war with the community,” one of the sources told our correspondent.

Although an eyewitness, who pleaded not to be named, said there was no casualty during the attack, there are reports that undisclosed number of youths were killed during the invasion.

The source said, “The villagers were surprised at the invasion because there had not been any attack by ESN members in recent time. We have not had any issue with IPOB or its security wing ESN. In short, it is the ESN that stopped herdsmen kidnappings, killings and rape of women in the community and around Awgu council area. Where were the soldiers when the Fulani herdsmen were ruining the community before emergency of the ESN?”

He noted that before the Monday invasion the military had engaged in show of strength, parading the entire town everyday. This development, he said, made the people to live in fear.


However, Coalition of South East Youth Leaders has condemned the gruesome killings of innocent civilians and burning of their houses and properties by soldiers in the South-East describing it as “wicked, villainous and barbaric”.

The group in a statement titled, ‘The Nigeria Military’s murderous excesses in Awgu Local Government of Enugu State, an aberration to the rule of law,’ said the Nigerian military has no constitutional right to move into a civilian community and start shooting, killing and burning community houses, describing it as genocide and such act amount to ethnic cleansing.

The statement which was signed by the group’s President General and Publicity Secretary, Mr Goodluck Ibem and Comrade Okey Nworu respectively, said the burning of community houses or houses said to belong to a suspect or family can only mean one thing, that soldiers were Fulani terrorists executing jihad against Igbo.

The statement partly read, “The Military under the democratic setting is governed by constitutional norms. The Nigerian Constitution being the grand norm, absolutely prohibits the use of extra legal killings of citizens under section 33 (1).


“What on earth will make soldiers who are paid with taxpayers money to invade a civilian community killing anything on sight and burning down houses if not to conquer the territory.

“The plot to Fulanise and Islamise Nigeria is no longer a hinder agenda but an open one now. The Awgu genocide is a clear one for all to see.

The soldiers who came for the mission in Awgu were killing people and speaking Fulani and Hausa language. They were carefully handpicked by their sponsors for the wicked genocide mission.

We are very aware that the plot to annihilate Ndigbo for the Fulanis to take over Igboland is because the South East region are predominantly Christians. It is so sad that such genocide is happening in a supposed democratic administration were the rule of law, right to life and fundamental human rights are meant to be respected by the government.

Awgu is a peaceful and law-abiding community. The community has not been in the news for the wrong reasons. For the Nigerian military to move into a peaceful and and law-abiding community to kill innocent people while abusing those they are killing with Fulani and Hausa language means that there is more than meets the eye. Truly Igboland has been marked for take over by the Fulani using the Nigeria military but they will not succeed.

“We call on the South-East governors who are the Chief Security Officers of their various states to stand up on their feet and defend their states. If they keep quiet believing that they are secured because they have security around them, very soon the Fulani killers will get to them. The time to address and arrest the situation in the bud is now.”

The youth leaders however, called on the United Nations and the international community to immediately come to the aid of the people of South-East who have been marked for annihilation because they are Christians.

“We hereby demand for an independent panel of inquiry into the genocide committed by Nigerian soldiers in Isi-Ngwu community and the massive destruction of houses. The soldiers that carried out the burning and killings must be fished out and tried for committing war crime against the people.”

Meanwhile, efforts to get reaction of the Nigerian Army were unsuccessful as the spokesman of the military, Brig. Gen. Onyema Nwachukwu could not take his calls or respond to text message at of the time of filing this report.

Also, when contacted on telephone, the Acting Deputy Director Army Public Relations 82 Division, Major Abubakar Abdullahi, told our correspondent to give him some time, but after several hours, he sent a text saying “please get across to Director Army Public Relations”.

https://punchng.com/soldiers-invade-enugu-community-burn-houses-kill-undisclosed-number-of-youths/?amp
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by jl115: 5:38am On Nov 02, 2021
Hoverbird:

You people will always find a way to defend nonsense. How many time have you heard that US soldiers commit crimes against their own citizens? We need alot of reorientation in this country.
you obviously don't know me if you think I'm here to defend Nigeria grin grin

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by jl115: 5:44am On Nov 02, 2021
DubaiLandLord1:
Can you show me a video of the US Army behaving like this in the USA?

The only reason una dey scream nah because there is a video evidence.

This nah the way of the Nigerian army. Kill armless civilians and burn properties.

If Video no dey, everybody go dey shout say the Nigerian army is professional and can't do such a thing grin

A confuse army, dem too don dey chase after Yahoo boys too now cheesy
go watch the movie "the kill team" wink

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