Just out of curiosity is there freewill in heaven?

Noo...

Only humans where endowed with that luxury. Spirits do whatever God has created them to do..

Humans have brains. Spirit don't.

22jumpstreet:
Noo...

Only humans where endowed with that luxury. Spirits do whatever God has created them to do..

Humans have brains. Spirit don't.

So why did some angels and Lucifer leave heaven?

22jumpstreet:
Noo...

Only humans where endowed with that luxury. Spirits do whatever God has created them to do..

Humans have brains. Spirit don't.

There must be freewill unless we become like robots. If there was no free will in heaven how would satan and the other Angels have rebelled according to the bible?

Kholiwe:

So why did some angels and Lucifer leave heaven?

Lucifer aka Satan and his kind are not Angels. They are Jinns.

Humans and Jinns have freewill!

Angels have no freewill.

In Paradise, the lust and worries of this world will be lost! No more bad talks, bad thoughts, etc. The prevailing freewill is to attune the world of enjoyment awarded to you.

Kholiwe:
Just out of curiosity is there freewill in heaven?

If there is freewill in heaven won't be long before someone find another apple to eat, and the whole circle repeat itself.

AntiChristian:


[s] Lucifer aka Satan and his kind are not Angels. They are Jinns.

Humans and Jinns have freewill!

Angels have no freewill.

In Paradise, the lust and worries of this world will be lost! No more bad talks, bad thoughts, etc. The prevailing freewill is to attune the world of enjoyment awarded to you [/s] .

This makes zero sense. Nothing like Jinns and Lucifer was an Angel yet he left heaven.

Blakjewelry:

If there is freewill in heaven won't be long before someone find another apple to eat, and the whole circle repeat itself.

If there is no freewill then we will be just like robots in heaven. That makes no sense.

Kholiwe:

So why did some angels and Lucifer leave heaven?

They didn't leave heaven of their own free will, God cast them out.

edmaraja:

They didn't leave heaven of their own free will, God cast them out .

Because they acted on their freewill.

Kholiwe:

This makes zero sense. Nothing like Jinns and Lucifer was an Angel yet he left heaven.

Angels do not rebel as they were created to obey their creator only.

It makes perfect sense except to one whose sense is blocked from reasoning!

AntiChristian:


[s] Angels do not rebel as they were created to obey their creator only.

It makes perfect sense except to one whose sense is blocked from reasoning! [/s]

You are typing nonsense.

Kholiwe:

You are typing nonsense.

Abi na you no get sense!

AntiChristian:


Lucifer aka Satan and his kind are not Angels. They are Jinns.

Humans and Jinns have freewill!

Angels have no freewill.

In Paradise, the lust and worries of this world will be lost! No more bad talks, bad thoughts, etc. The prevailing freewill is to attune the world of enjoyment awarded to you.

You’re always confusing yourself and always talking as if you’re more knowledgeable than Allah whom you believe is the author of the Quran.

And [mention] when We said to the angels, “Prostrate before Adam”; so they prostrated, except for Iblees. He refused and was arrogant and became of the disbelievers.
-Quran 2:34

So if Iblees is not an angel why did the Quran say all other angels except Iblees prostated (Satan)?


Antichristian you need to go back to ile Kewu

AntiChristian:


Abi na you no get sense!

You are typing nonsense from your rotten ass when the bible clearly states Lucifer is an angel. Get the mess outta here dimwit

Kholiwe:

You are typing nonsense from your rotten ass when the bible clearly states Lucifer is an angel. Get the mess outta here dimwit

Your Bible says sons of God came to sleep with pretty ladies on earth in Genesis 6:6.

Who are the sons of God?

Was Jesus among?

Na Bible teach you all this dirty languages! I'm sure you're in the spirit!

AntiChristian:


[s] Your Bible says sons of God came to sleep with pretty ladies on earth in Genesis 6:6.

Who are the sons of God?

Was Jesus among?

Na Bible teach you all this dirty languages! I'm sure you're in the spirit! [/s]

Skrrrrrrrrrr.

There is no free will in heaven. It's a prison for puppets.

AntiChristian:


Angels do not rebel as they were created to obey their creator only.

It makes perfect sense except to one whose sense is blocked from reasoning!

Look at this one that has not understood his Quran. Your Quran says that Satan is the only angel to rebel against Allah and yet you’re lying that angels don’t rebel

Kholiwe:

There must be freewill unless we become like robots. If there was no free will in heaven how would satan and the other Angels have rebelled according to the bible?

That is a Christian myth. The devil if he exist is very much part of God. God is everywhere. We make choices with our brain which comes with our physical body. Spirits don't have it...simple logic actually

Kholiwe:

So why did some angels and Lucifer leave heaven?

That is a Christian fabrication. Demons work for God.

Lucifer is just the goddess of death and destruction.
The yorubas calls them orishas..

Kholiwe:
Just out of curiosity is there freewill in heaven?

Yes!
If Angels have freewill, how much more children. Freewill isn't a curse, it is a blessing.

The difference is that sources of temptations may not abound since you have whatever you need in paradise.
Secondly, you have a new nature that desires to please and honour God.

AntiChristian:


Lucifer aka Satan and his kind are not Angels. They are Jinns.

Humans and Jinns have freewill!

Angels have no freewill.

In Paradise, the lust and worries of this world will be lost! No more bad talks, bad thoughts, etc. The prevailing freewill is to attune the world of enjoyment awarded to you.

Can you know better!!??
No!

Your Qur'an isn't detailed on anything spiritual.

You don't know that the scriptures before yours spoke about
1 God as a Spirit
2. angels of God and
Fallen angels
...and Principalities, Powers, Spiritual wicked spirits in high places
3. Cherubims, Seraphims and other heavenly beings
4. Unclean Spirits, Familiar Spirits, Demons
5. Even human beings have their spirit component

All you know is Jinns. No wonder you are confused.

What other kinds of spirits do you know apart from Jinns?

Kholiwe:
Just out of curiosity is there freewill in heaven?

Did you not read that "Where the Spirit is, there is Liberty?"

Kholiwe:

Because they acted on their freewill.

Hence Prove of Freewill!

22jumpstreet:


That is a Christian myth. The devil if he exist is very much part of God. God is everywhere. We make choices with our brain which comes with our physical body. Spirits don't have it...simple logic actually

You are typing out of discussion friend.

TenQ:

Yes!
If Angels have freewill, how much more children. Freewill isn't a curse, it is a blessing.

The difference is that sources of temptations may not abound since you have whatever you need in paradise.
Secondly, you have a new nature that desires to please and honour God .

Care to explain the bold? Meaning we are now robots?

Kholiwe:

Care to explain the bold? Meaning we are now robots?

Have you ever thought of hurting your parents?
Why not?

Is it not because they are REAL to you as careing and loving to you (in spite of their inadequacies)?

Same here.
God will be TOO REAL to us. It wouldn't require FAITH to Love and Trust Him.

Do you think it is part of your plan to rebel against your parents in the future?

We are not Robots. Our new nature make us effortlessly swing in line with God because our faith is based on a FULL RELATIONSHIP with God

Kholiwe:

Care to explain the bold? Meaning we are now robots?

Yes! We have always been Robots!

Just a robot different from other robots. Like Tesla and other self drive cars (Most Accurately much like the Knight Rider Car )

We are robots (knight Riders) given a special power of "You decide for yourself" among other Gifts and Powers Given, Exactly as Our Creator Said that He Shall So Empower Us With.

That is who we are.

TenQ:

Have you ever thought of hurting your parents?
Why not?

Is it not because they are REAL to you as careing and loving to you (in spite of their inadequacies)?

Same here.
God will be TOO REAL to us. It wouldn't require FAITH to Love and Trust Him.

Do you think it is part of your plan to rebel against your parents in the future?

We are not Robots. Our new nature make us effortlessly swing in line with God because our faith is based on a FULL RELATIONSHIP with God

Now your statement is cancelled by the Fact and Truth that, people do rebelled against their parents according to their thinkings. As Esau, Eli's children, Samuel's children, etc proved.

Therefore, your statement here does not stand.

Kholiwe:

You are typing out of discussion friend.

Spirit don't have free will, only humans do...

It is common sense actually.

Kholiwe:

You are typing nonsense.

Actually it is a statement of fact..