LordReed:


LMAO! How am I reading deception into what is not there? They clearly told the king a falsehood since they were the ones who saved the babies and not the tales they told the king. And what of all the other places I have mentioned where your god actively employs deception by his own self? Your bible makes it clear your god is kool with deception, take off those rose tinted glasses man. Bwahahahahaha!

Having cleared the first one.
I will address Abraham's case next, later today when am settled.

LordReed:


LMFAO! Your god approves of the use of deception, its right there in your bible. Bwahahahahahahaha!

If you do not Lie like Serpent, you would not be SatanReed.

LordReed:


Because you already judged. LMAO!

@LordReed, thanks for making my thread interesting. Usually, it's only my post and nothing else. I post everyday. Please come back tomorrow

hupernikao:



Having cleared the first one.
I will address Abraham's case next, later today when am settled.

You cleared nothing. You tried to say they didn't lie then you went to their lying is justified. They lied, your god approved of their methods and blessed them, written in black and white. LMFAO!

Yeah take a chill pill and come back, I'll be here. LoLz

.

PastorM:


@LordReed, thanks for making my thread interesting. Usually, it's only my post and nothing else. I post everyday. Please come back tomorrow

My pleasure. Make sure its an interesting one oh! LoL!

But sincerely I do enjoy your format. Keep it up.

Dtruthspeaker:


If you do not Lie like Serpent, you would not be SatanReed.

Your god enjoys deception is right there in your bible, no lie there. LMAO!

LordReed:


My pleasure. Make sure its an interesting one oh! LoL!

But sincerely I do enjoy your format. Keep it up.

Tomorrow's one is about swearing. I've recorded it already I'm sure you'll have something to say

PastorM:


Tomorrow's one is about swearing. I've recorded it already I'm sure you'll have something to say

Swearing as in oaths or cuss words?

This video made me reflect.

I appreciate.

LordReed:


Swearing as in oaths or cuss words?

Wait till tomorrow

Ayo081:
This video made me reflect.

I appreciate.

Thank you

PastorM:


Wait till tomorrow

Ok o! Eagerly! LoL!

PastorM:


Tomorrow's one is about swearing. I've recorded it already I'm sure you'll have something to say

Wait o, are you the lady in the video?

LordReed:


You cleared nothing. You tried to say they didn't lie then you went to their lying is justified. They lied, your god approved of their methods and blessed them, written in black and white. LMFAO!

Yeah take a chill pill and come back, I'll be here. LoLz

You will need to read me well to get me well.

1. I never justified their lying neither do I condemn it. That isn't my concerns in this case.

You are the one focusing on their weaknesses to condemned their actions and God's justification. I never did, God never did.

I have mentioned to you before that these people are humans like you and walk through their own challenges daily, which will include rational and irrational decisions. But you must observe well what God's action is in the discussion.

You still read the God presented in the scriptures as one who always use perfect people. But scriptures never presented such to you. God used people of many weaknesses and errors and walking through their true intentions to honor them. That's 2hat the Bible presented to you.

That is what was written. And am sure that's what you read.

Ola17:


Why do you make excuses for your god whenever it perpetuate or condone lies and deception?

Can you be more expressive. I am sure you must have a scripture to refer to. Have you read it well or you carried what you were exposed to in your mind.

Maybe you can present it to know if you actually read it well or assuming.

hupernikao:



Having cleared the first one.
I will address Abraham's case next, later today when am settled.

@LordReed

The case of Abraham is simple.

The first thing is still what I have said over time. Seeing God as one who want to use only perfect men is a wrong doctrine, God doesn't seek men's perfection, it can't be found. God perfect what he chooses.

Secondly, you take Bible men and the stories like what we watch in movies, a perfect scenario of events. But this isn't what the Bible presented to you.

For example, the Bible never presented a perfect man, morally, infact the Bible in its honesty, is one of the few ancient books that presented in honesty the weaknesses, errors of its major actors. It never hide their weaknesses and its evident to you. That alone should let you know that the Bible is a honest book.

Likewise know, God presented to you that the weaknesses of man even though obvious, he still used man like that. That is the grace taught through all scriptures.


You will see this in all major actors in the Bible. Hence looking for their faults to condemn God's action will only show that you haven't read the Bible well or understand its story.

So, I will present to you next an Abraham's life as a normal man just as you in his time, with several issues of life to handle and decisions to make.

Ola17:

Wait o, are you the lady in the video?

The one and only, lol

hupernikao:


Can you be more expressive. I am sure you must have a scripture to refer to. Have you read it well or you carried what you were exposed to in your mind.

Maybe you can present it to know if you actually read it well or assuming.

I want to believe you are capable of comprehension?

In your reply to a poster on this thread, you posted a lengthy write up trying to explain away why god condones or engages in deception and lies and I said being the Christian god should be the easiest job ever as all God’s fvck ups are willfully explained away by its adherents.

Do you understand now?

PastorM:


The one and only, lol

Nice topic and articulate presentation.
Keep it up!

hupernikao:


You will need to read me well to get me well.

1. I never justified their lying neither do I condemn it. That isn't my concerns in this case.

You are the one focusing on their weaknesses to condemned their actions and God's justification. I never did, God never did.

I have mentioned to you before that these people are humans like you and walk through their own challenges daily, which will include rational and irrational decisions. But you must observe well what God's action is in the discussion.

You still read the God presented in the scriptures as one who always use perfect people. But scriptures never presented such to you. God used people of many weaknesses and errors and walking through their true intentions to honor them. That's 2hat the Bible presented to you.

That is what was written. And am sure that's what you read.

You surely did try to justify their actions by painting a similar scenario where deception employed is outweighed by the magnitude of saving lives. That is called justification.

It is you people who are seeking perfection not me. I am fully aware that humans are not perfect and probably never will be so we employ funny lil tricks to get by and survive. On the other hand you posit a perfect god yet his ends get met by employing these same funny lil tricks imperfect humans employ. Says a lot about the true nature of your god, he is a reflection of the minds that created the character. They could not think past the solutions they were familiar with.

hupernikao:


@LordReed

The case of Abraham is simple.

The first thing is still what I have said over time. Seeing God as one who want to use only perfect men is a wrong doctrine, God doesn't seek men's perfection, it can't be found. God perfect what he chooses.

Secondly, you take Bible men and the stories like what we watch in movies, a perfect scenario of events. But this isn't what the Bible presented to you.

For example, the Bible never presented a perfect man, morally, infact the Bible in its honesty, is one of the few ancient books that presented in honesty the weaknesses, errors of its major actors. It never hide their weaknesses and its evident to you. That alone should let you know that the Bible is a honest book.

Likewise know, God presented to you that the weaknesses of man even though obvious, he still used man like that. That is the grace taught through all scriptures.


You will see this in all major actors in the Bible. Hence looking for their faults to condemn God's action will only show that you haven't read the Bible well or understand its story.

So, I will present to you next an Abraham's life as a normal man just as you in his time, with several issues of life to handle and decisions to make.

Your god is perfect so why did he send a lying spirit to Ahab? Your god is perfect why does he plan to use deception in the end times? The excuse that it was imperfect humans does nothing to alleviate what the Bible plainly writes, your god is kool with deception. Your god punishes people for all manner of infractions in the Bible, name 5 he punished for deception.

PastorM:
Lead us not into temptation

Duration: 57 seconds


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNy10cArTkk

i'm not sure i got the temptation properly here? The slot is covered up by an agreed internal arrangement. The duty is done, not abandoned. Maybe i didn't get the scene properly though.

LordReed:


Your god is perfect so why did he send a lying spirit to Ahab? Your god is perfect why does he plan to use deception in the end times? The excuse that it was imperfect humans does nothing to alleviate what the Bible plainly writes, your god is kool with deception. Your god punishes people for all manner of infractions in the Bible, name 5 he punished for deception.

I know you are only trying to pull legs. But i know you know how to read properly and would have read all i wrote.

A perfect God using imperfect men is the story of the Bible. That means for those who are punished for any reasons, we will have to examine why they were. If God could work with imperfect men, that means everyone could be used of him, including you. Our imperfection is what reflects his grace.

So, if you are seeing the ability of God to work through imperfection of men as a bad or injustice of God, then you are much more expression in grace as available in imperfect men. Where imperfect abounds, grace much more reigns. So, i see each moment of your blaming God as evidence of his grace abounding much more around you. Not a God that seeks your perfection but one who in your imperfection still seeks for you.

LordReed:


You surely did try to justify their actions by painting a similar scenario where deception employed is outweighed by the magnitude of saving lives. That is called justification.

It is you people who are seeking perfection not me. I am fully aware that humans are not perfect and probably never will be so we employ funny lil tricks to get by and survive. On the other hand you posit a perfect god yet his ends get met by employing these same funny lil tricks imperfect humans employ. Says a lot about the true nature of your god, he is a reflection of the minds that created the character. They could not think past the solutions they were familiar with.

You still see, you have read the bible wrongly. You will need to take my word as gospel truth, irrespective of what you have learned in the past. Take this to the bank.

1. Bible never presented a perfect man, bible never seek a perfect man. Bible presented imperfect men, perfected by God. It explained a perfect God, leaving his domain to seek, find and dwell with imperfect man. This is what the bible presented. If you have a different opinion of this, you arent speaking of the bible.

2. Men even in bible days, were learning as you are today within the confined of their exposure. They werent perfect. They lied, they deceived, they kill, they disobeyed. Seeking for an all knowing man in the bible will be an hypocrisy. No such man existed and bible presented it clearly as such. This should simply let you find out what exactly is God's demand if imperfect people, liars, etc can still find grace, them you need to ask what does God demands. Its in this you will know God's heart revealed through the Bible.

3. Any one presenting to you perfection in man, or man walking perfectly by his own, or man receive God's blessing because he walked perfectly is lying to you. He himself, with such utterance is a true evidence of God's grace to liars and imperfection.


So when you read man's weaknesses in the bible, see this as you are even today, you walk through challenges of life, have decisions to make, sometimes wrong ones, sometimes good ones. Man will always be imperfect as much as decisions are based by his. It is a walk with God's spirit that gives you the right direction to things, but the best of man is still learning that and can still walk in the flesh to disobey. Even me.

So, read bible with this eye. No bible actor is perfect, non. and bible made you see that clearly, hence its honest stand point.

hupernikao:



I know you are only trying to pull legs. But i know you know how to read properly and would have read all i wrote.

A perfect God using imperfect men is the story of the Bible. That means for those who are punished for any reasons, we will have to examine why they were. If God could work with imperfect men, that means everyone could be used of him, including you. Our imperfection is what reflects his grace.

So, if you are seeing the ability of God to work through imperfection of men as a bad or injustice of God, then you are much more expression in grace as available in imperfect men. Where imperfect abounds, grace much more reigns. So, i see each moment of your blaming God as evidence of his grace abounding much more around you. Not a God that seeks your perfection but one who in your imperfection still seeks for you.

Where do you see me mention injustice? Where do you see me blaming your god here? I wrote, for the umpteenth time, your god is kool with deception. Do you need me to translate it to a different language for you?

hupernikao:



You still see, you have read the bible wrongly. You will need to take my word as gospel truth, irrespective of what you have learned in the past. Take this to the bank.

1. Bible never presented a perfect man, bible never seek a perfect man. Bible presented imperfect men, perfected by God. It explained a perfect God, leaving his domain to seek, find and dwell with imperfect man. This is what the bible presented. If you have a different opinion of this, you arent speaking of the bible.

2. Men even in bible days, were learning as you are today within the confined of their exposure. They werent perfect. They lied, they deceived, they kill, they disobeyed. Seeking for an all knowing man in the bible will be an hypocrisy. No such man existed and bible presented it clearly as such. This should simply let you find out what exactly is God's demand if imperfect people, liars, etc can still find grace, them you need to ask what does God demands. Its in this you will know God's heart revealed through the Bible.

3. Any one presenting to you perfection in man, or man walking perfectly by his own, or man receive God's blessing because he walked perfectly is lying to you. He himself, with such utterance is a true evidence of God's grace to liars and imperfection.


So when you read man's weaknesses in the bible, see this as you are even today, you walk through challenges of life, have decisions to make, sometimes wrong ones, sometimes good ones. Man will always be imperfect as much as decisions are based by his. It is a walk with God's spirit that gives you the right direction to things, but the best of man is still learning that and can still walk in the flesh to disobey.

So, read bible with this eye. No bible actor is perfect, non. and bible made you see that clearly, hence its honest stand point.

Please read what I wrote again and tell me were I said men have to be perfect.

LordReed:


Where do you see me mention injustice? Where do you see me blaming your god here? I wrote, for the umpteenth time, your god is kool with deception. Do you need me to translate it to a different language for you?

I can admit, that your conclusion is based on wrong knowledge of the scriptures. Or likely a refusal to take what you read. I want to believe its the first.

And to help you conclude well,

The Bible God does not only overlook deception of all men, he overlooked their weaknesses and sins, including yours and mine. He submerged them into the ocean of his grace, to make a new man, who will commence a new life learning the way of the Lord.

You must see beyond the deception, even sins, all sins, worst sins of man were overlooked at the appearance of his grace. So, you arent speaking anything new of that is your point. All those points are to reveal His grace even in man's sins.


[b]A father who want to train his child well, yet complains and focus on the child's deception of stealing sugar isnt ready to be a father.[/b The fatherhood of God, isnt neglecting you in that your lies and deceptions, he is working his way out to make you a better person.

Ola17:


I want to believe you are capable of comprehension?

In your reply to a poster on this thread, you posted a lengthy write up trying to explain away why god condones or engages in deception and lies and I said being the Christian god should be the easiest job ever as all God’s fvck ups are willfully explained away by its adherents.

Do you understand now?

No i dont Sir because your response is away from reality of discussion.

Your comment never address anything but just what we can call a roadside gist. This is the reason i am helping to know how to interfere into discussions. The discussion here isnt like market gist or scene, that you just give a road side exclamation and continue facing your road. What i mean is be serious when you are interfering into discussions.

hupernikao:


I can admit, that your conclusion is based on wrong knowledge of the scriptures. Or likely a refusal to take what you read. I want to believe its the first.

And to help you conclude well,

The Bible God does not only overlook deception of all men, he overlooked their weaknesses and sins, including yours and mine. He submerged them into the ocean of his grace, to make a new man, who will commence a new life learning the way of the Lord.

You must see beyond the deception, even sins, all sins, worst sins of man were overlooked at the appearance of his grace. So, you arent speaking anything new of that is your point. All those points are to reveal His grace even in man's sins.


[b]A father who want to train his child well, yet complains and focus on the child's deception of stealing sugar isnt ready to be a father.[/b The fatherhood of God, isnt neglecting you in that your lies and deceptions, he is working his way out to make you a better person.

Your god didn't send a man to Ahab he sent a spirit. In the new testament it says he will send a strong delusion so I dunno what man's imperfection has to do with it. Your god uses deception period.

LordReed:


Your god didn't send a man to Ahab he sent a spirit. In the new testament it says he will send a strong delusion so I dunno what man's imperfection has to do with it. Your god uses deception period.

Have you gotten the part of the man first?

hupernikao:


Have you gotten the part of the man first?

Have you gotten that your god is kool with deception yet? LMFAO!