Princedapace:


All i see here is pride.. He maybe ignorant and u shouldnt have insulted his person before passing across your message.. Pride is too much in ur content and it seems u are a medical doctor..

Learn not to be wrong too while correcting a wrong..

ogtavia:
I bet most of you arguing blindly on this thread do not even know what post surgical sepsis is...even if you didnt,common sense ought to make you endeavour to Google it and learn about...apparently the woman got an infection from a prior surgery...anyone who knows anything about surgical operation knows that infection during surgery can be fatal and or at least life threatening....Let us use this opportunity to pray for those in the labour wards undergoing CS and every other individual undergoing surgery of any kind and ask for God's healing and miraculous deliverance...obviously the woman's time wasn't up...at the end of the day someone has to be blamed,in this case the doctor is being blamed....

bigfrancis21:


Don't say what you don't know. Purge yourself of bad information like this.

victorDanladi:
lolz...we know your type.

Na Nigerian doctor treated the following:

musa yaradua

moji olaiya

Ayinde barrister

dora Akuiyili

And many more

They all died in a foreign hospital!!!

victorDanladi:
....some frustrated elements will think pride is all written on your post.

almarthins:


They would have died much earlier if it was Nigerian hospital. For here even common malaria would send u to grave . abi I lie?

ogtavia:
hehe.. What do you think..?

adadike281:
U did your best. if God wants, he would have let her live. if she comes again, tell her to table her case before God, that u did your best. it might even be a demon in disguise and not d actual ghost. free your mind and maybe spend days with a family member or close friend. ndo, jisike.

Airforce1:
Your efforts weren't good enough

Kathmandu:
That one died after his first single

kelly72:
I have an acquaintance who was a brilliant medical doctor in Nigeria.

olagbemi118:
u r so short sighted & unable to reason correctly. Ur comment is the worst ive seen on nairaland. If we can successfully get rid of folks like u from this country, I believe Nigeria will be great. Now, take a moment, go thru ur comment & reason like an educated fellow. I wish u the best

duketunde:
"I encountered the ghost of a dead woman yesterday night/early hours of this morning. Remembering it still sends chills across my body.
Personally, I don't believe in ghosts. I know that it is appointed unto men once to die, and after that, judgment follows. I said let me tell you, to hear your opinion. I don't know who else to confide in about this. I'm a doctor. I can't be telling stories about ghosts online. No one will believe it. I'll sound insane.

Yesterday night that brought in today, I took call for a colleague who was having menstrual pain. She begged me to do the call for her. Then, a woman was brought in with what I suspected to be post surgical sepsis. The op site was soaked with effluent from the wound. The surgery was done at State Specialist Hospital three days prior to presenting to us. Her temperature read "Hi" on the thermometer, which means her body was so hot that the thermometer could not record it. I called my seniors who were in theatre then, told them what I have with me in the emergency, and I took instructions from them. I secured IV access. I gave 2g of IV cefriaxone (Rocephin brand) stat, and IV Flagyl 500mg stat. She was going. I called my seniors again and told them temperature is not coming down after one hour. I was told to give IV PCM 600mg stat. I then reopened the wound, washed with NS, and redressed with savlon and povidone iodine.

She was a Yoruba Christian. She was praying, holding my hands, saying that I should not let her die, that she still has little children at home. She then started behaving abnormally, talking irrationally and screaming, also convulsing intermittently.
At this point, I called a senior who came in, assessed her and told me privately that she won't make it. He told me to continue masterly activity which I did.

She finally died after few hours she was brought in. I certified her dead in her file, disconnected all life support, and went to my house to sleep around 3am when the call got less busy. I was weak and sad. Did you know, this woman followed me home. I was shocked when I felt there was someone looking at me from my window. My body was shaking. I've never believed in ghosts, but she came to my window and stood there, with same clothes she was wearing when she was brought in. She said why did I allow her to die. I was lost for words for a moment, thinking I was dreaming. But damn, it wasn't a dream. I just drank coke from the fridge few minutes ago. I rebuked her in Jesus' name, telling her I did my best. I told her to go back to where she came from. She stood there for a while, looking at me, then turned and walked away. I heard her footsteps as she walked away. I didn't sleep again till morning. I opened the fridge and took out coke and drank, to be sure I was not dreaming, then started praying in tongues to control the fear in my heart."

What can be a reasonable explanation for this?

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duketunde:
"I encountered the ghost of a dead woman yesterday night/early hours of this morning. Remembering it still sends chills across my body.
Personally, I don't believe in ghosts. I know that it is appointed unto men once to die, and after that, judgment follows. I said let me tell you, to hear your opinion. I don't know who else to confide in about this. I'm a doctor. I can't be telling stories about ghosts online. No one will believe it. I'll sound insane.

Yesterday night that brought in today, I took call for a colleague who was having menstrual pain. She begged me to do the call for her. Then, a woman was brought in with what I suspected to be post surgical sepsis. The op site was soaked with effluent from the wound. The surgery was done at State Specialist Hospital three days prior to presenting to us. Her temperature read "Hi" on the thermometer, which means her body was so hot that the thermometer could not record it. I called my seniors who were in theatre then, told them what I have with me in the emergency, and I took instructions from them. I secured IV access. I gave 2g of IV cefriaxone (Rocephin brand) stat, and IV Flagyl 500mg stat. She was going. I called my seniors again and told them temperature is not coming down after one hour. I was told to give IV PCM 600mg stat. I then reopened the wound, washed with NS, and redressed with savlon and povidone iodine.

She was a Yoruba Christian. She was praying, holding my hands, saying that I should not let her die, that she still has little children at home. She then started behaving abnormally, talking irrationally and screaming, also convulsing intermittently.
At this point, I called a senior who came in, assessed her and told me privately that she won't make it. He told me to continue masterly activity which I did.

She finally died after few hours she was brought in. I certified her dead in her file, disconnected all life support, and went to my house to sleep around 3am when the call got less busy. I was weak and sad. Did you know, this woman followed me home. I was shocked when I felt there was someone looking at me from my window. My body was shaking. I've never believed in ghosts, but she came to my window and stood there, with same clothes she was wearing when she was brought in. She said why did I allow her to die. I was lost for words for a moment, thinking I was dreaming. But damn, it wasn't a dream. I just drank coke from the fridge few minutes ago. I rebuked her in Jesus' name, telling her I did my best. I told her to go back to where she came from. She stood there for a while, looking at me, then turned and walked away. I heard her footsteps as she walked away. I didn't sleep again till morning. I opened the fridge and took out coke and drank, to be sure I was not dreaming, then started praying in tongues to control the fear in my heart."

What can be a reasonable explanation for this?

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triplechoice:


@ Lordreed, what's your take on the above?

LordReed:


My personal opinion is visual and auditory hallucination by reason of post traumatic stress. This kind of scenario was highlighted by the PTSD Vietnam war vets suffered in the aftermath of their participation. Of course this is isn't PTSD yet but if he continues having those audio-visual hallucinations then he probably has PTSD.

triplechoice:


I don't see anything terrifying in the experience the doctor had with the patient when she was battling to stay alive that could have led to PTD

Such incidents are not uncommon for a medical doctor to experience

Hallucination?

Well , hallucinatory experiences have no basis in reality or no connection at all. But in the above story there appears to be a strong connection between what happened in the emergency ward and the dead woman later appearing to him .

At the ward, she pleaded not to be allowed to die and later appeared at the window after death, to ask him, why did you allow me to die? This is not how hallucination goes. Or is the story not true? It doesn't appear so.

A medical should be in a better position to know if it was hallucination or not. And besides, I dont think PTD would ust disappear without any form of therapy

LordReed:


Trauma isn't always about terror nor are hallucinations always abstract. I have recurring auditory hallucinations of my dad calling my name. This began when I was a kid and he was still alive, now that he is dead, I still have them the exact same way.

His description of the events show that he was quite distrssed by the circumstances of the lady's death. This is the trauma. Look up the meaning of trauma, its not about terror primarily but distressing or disturbing events.

Like I said this isn't PTSD rather a post traumatic stress event. Hopefully it is singular and not recurring.

triplechoice:


I don't think ordinary trauma could have led to that experience if not nearly everyone would be seeing ghost

As for the voice of your dad, it is hallucination because it doesn't connect to anything real in your life. That's what separates hallucination from some strange experiences that can't be rationally explained.

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LordReed:



Why do you think trauma could not have led to it? And really no trauma is ordinary.

What do you mean by not connected to anything real? My name is not real or my father's voice was not real?

triplechoice:


The doctor was in a normal state of mind since he had the presence of mind to open his fridge to pick a bottle of coke to be sure he was not dreaming

And by the way a medical doctor should know better.

Now, what I actually mean about your experience having no connection to reality is this;

If at those times when you usually hear your father calling, you later get to confirm that he has been trying to reach you or was about to call you for something, then your experience is connected to reality.

In your case, have you ever experienced that? You get to confirm your dad was about to call you later?

Some persons have reported having a late parent appearing after death to inform them about something which they later verify to be true.

For instance, your late father appearing to you in what appears to be a dream or trance ,to inform you that one of his friends who owe him some money while he was still alive is coming the next day to payback the money.

Then tomorrow comes, the said friend brought the money to you. Would you then describe your experience as hallucination?

People have had such experiences and still do. I myself have had such an experience before but it is not something I feel going back to because it brings some uncomfortable memories tied to that period.

So there's a difference between what is hallucination and some "real "experiences that lots of people not understanding it mistake for hallucination as in the case of the op. That is certainly not hallucination . It is something science may be able to explain better someday.

LordReed:


What is a hallucination because it seems you have a different understanding of it from me.

triplechoice:


Hallucination is defined as experiences which appears real. Appears real means it has no basis in reality.

Lordreed, what is reality ?

LordReed:


I am uncomfortable with the way you use the phrase "no basis in reality". Hallucinations very often are from previous experiences which are of course in reality so for me it is not that hallucinations are not connected to reality but rather that they are not reality. Experiencing something that is not real for me is not the same as "no basis in reality" For me "no basis in reality" would be a delusion not a hallucination.

I would describe reality as the experience of objective manifestations. Objective meaning not exclusively a subjective experience so for instance dreaming, the act of your brain creating scenarios within your mind, is real while the dreams themselves are not.

triplechoice:


May be it is my fault I have not made my self clear enough. But if you don't ignore the instances I used in my explanation, then it would be clear to you.

Here is another one. I have a Friend who smells death. Honestly, I don't feel too comfortable knowing this about him.

This is what happens. Each time someone is to die within his compound or anywhere he lives, he always not usually, perceive the smell of formaline.And from that day until some days or about a week later, someone dies. Would you describe his experience as hallucination since it connects with something real happening?. It is call olfactory hallucination but is that enough to explain it all?

Another one , I had a girlfriend in the past who had the strange ability of smelling me before she meets with me physically . I was in Warri then and she lives in Benin. Anytime I am in Benin, she would call even when I never let her know I am around. Initially, I thought someone was letting her know whenever I came to town.

But there was I time I travelled to ghana from Warri. As the vehicle I boarded got to Benin,on my way to ghana, my phone started to ring and it was her. I was in Ghana for some months. After some period of time, I stopped calling her. So for about a month plus no contact.

Then , I was returning after that period and didn't call to inform her of my movement. I got to Nigeria late at night and by morning was off to Warri. As I got to Benin by Ring road, she called. Ha . I said to myself something is going on that I need to know.

A week later I traveled to Benin. Met with her and finally found out from her, she could smell me whenever I am close just like my friend who smells death. Would you describe her experience as hallucination too?

I am not anti science. Science at the moment ,doesn't have explanation for everything. That is not to say that we should just accept any nonsense or story that anyone brings..
But using one explanation (hallucination) for everything becuase science says so would not make it possible to know exactly why some people have these kind of experiences as I have described.

There's a difference between your own experience and those I described above. It is not the same. The op experience is alao not the same as yours and I have explained that already.

LordReed:


I am not objecting to your explanations but to your use of the phrase "no basis in reality" because it means something else to me that's all.

I agree that it would be incorrect to call what you have described above as hallucinations but this is a different phenomenon from what the doctor describes. Primarily because his is preceded by a traumatic event while your friends' are not. This for me is a key difference. I wish a mental health expert were on NL to explain some of these things better.

Also the smelling of death might have some scientific basis to be considered a natural phenomenon. They have trained dogs that can detect the presence of cancer and some other diseases from smell alone with a surprising degree of accuracy.

triplechoice:


I don't want to accept that a medical doctor whose training has already desensitized him to those kind of incidents would be so traumatized to the extent you explained.

It doesn't follow at all. .I think you're seeing the doctor as every other average person out there and using it to judge his
reaction. Doctors have the special training to make them not to overreact to those kind of situation.

Go though the story again and see that he wasn't as much disturbed as you want anyone to believe.

The incident does not match your interpretation of his reaction. If he was so disturbed as you claim, he wouldn't have had the presence of mind to do other things to ensure he wasn't dreaming .What he did by opening his fridge to get a bottle of coke wasn't instinctive but a deliberate way of ensuring one is still "here" whenever you think you're hallucinating .That is a very significant part of the story which you're not paying much attention to and it is the evidence he was not just "seeing things" It completely removes any idea of hallucination from the story.

James Randi does the same by looking at his wristwatch intermittently to be sure that all thats happening around him whenever he is having one of his debunking sessions is still the normal world. Go an check out some of his videos to confirm.

The image that stood at window of the doctor said something that matches what transpired at the emergency unit . This shows that the two events are strongly linked. What appears to be an image from hallucinating is strongly connected to a real event that just happened.

Just like my friend's, they smell something and the confirmation of why they have the smell , is what happens after. Even though their's doesn't happen exactly in the same sequence as that of the doctor, we can still see a connection .

In your own case of hearing your father's voice, theirs no such link to an external event happening before or after.

What do you normally observe before and after you hear the voice of your late father? I already asked this question before but you didn't answer.

If yours doesn't connect with something that others can verify, then it is all in your head. That is hallucination and it is what I mean
by your experience having "no basis in reality"

Dogs that can sniff out drugs concealed in traveling bags are able to do so, due to the special ability they have. Not every dog has this ability.

And just like those sniffer dog,, I strongly believe, based on some of the things I have personally experienced in the past, some people are gifted with the special ability to see things that others can't perceive.

In addition, there is always something that act as triggers for these people to see. If science can identify what triggers this ability, I am sure we would be having a better explanation in the future for some of these things some people are quick to dismiss as hallucination.

But the problem now, is that those in the main body of science are just not interested in investigating any of this phenomenon hence
most people are confused and not knowing what to make of it all . Some people even deny that they have these experiences due to ridicule or that no one would believe them.

Fortunately for me , I have met with people who are willing to share their experiences with me So I am home with them. Nothing surprises me If you're the kind of person who critized this sort of experiences, no body tells you anything. Even if your wife has the ability she won't open up to you once she knows you would never believe her. That is it . one just need to keep an open mind in order to be aware of things happening around you.

LordReed:


Doctors still get traumatised, they have some of the highest suicide rates of any profession.

I don't notice anything unusual before or after. I am usually involved in one task or activity or the other, could be reading, could be playing, could even be during a conversation. Also my dad would be nowhere in the vicinity and most times he wasn't even in the house.

Hallucinations are triggered by various things like lack of sleep, stress, drugs, trauma, etc. The doctor could have been affected by a combination of stress, lack of sleep and trauma.

I don't think it's that science isn't interesting in studying it rather the sample sizes are so small it's hard to develop reliable methodologies for a proper study. I mean how many people have you encountered with these abilities you mentioned?

LordReed:


Doctors still get traumatised, they have some of the highest suicide rates of any profession.

I don't notice anything unusual before or after. I am usually involved in one task or activity or the other, could be reading, could be playing, could even be during a conversation. Also my dad would be nowhere in the vicinity and most times he wasn't even in the house.

Hallucinations are triggered by various things like lack of sleep, stress, drugs, trauma, etc. The doctor could have been affected by a combination of stress, lack of sleep and trauma.

I don't think it's that science isn't interesting in studying it rather the sample sizes are so small it's hard to develop reliable methodologies for a proper study. I mean how many people have you encountered with these abilities you mentioned?

triplechoice:


Doctors get traumatized I know. But is there any evidence strong enough in the story to suggest he was traumatized to the extent you claim? Non I can see.

There's nothing strong enough in the story that could have triggered that kind of reaction. If there was ,he himself would have let us know. He his a doctor and you keep ignoring this fact . It seems you're focused more on trying to diagonize the mental state of someone who is in a position to know better than you. He made us know he shouldn't be having that kind of experience at all.Nothing warrants it according to him.

He couldn't have been doing drugs and as I already mentioned he is already desensitized to that kind of experience.. When he got home ,he was about to sleep off without giving it much thought until his attention was captured by the noise at the window. If he was really disturbed, he would have remained awake after coming home. That is the normal reaction for anyone disturbed by anything.

For doctors who commit suicide do you have any proof that it is their personal encounters with their patients that lead to it. It could be anything outside of their practice.

BTW Nigerian doctors are not known to commit suicide as their foreign counterparts.

I previously mentioned what he did to ensure he was still in the right frame of mind and even corroborate it with Randi's but you just skipped that.That is the major thing to consider in the story. It rules out hallucination.

As for scientist being handicapped to investigate due to inadequte data, where would it come from, if the same people who are to investigate it are the same persons making it difficult for others to come out and share their experiences. They are the ones who by their training would label you as insane or hallucinating if you try to speak out.

Well , whatever you think, no point in dragging this further because I know your own worldview would not make certain things acceptable to you. That, sorry to say ,is the barrier.

But think about this, what can be wrong in it if someday in the future we get to know that there is a part of the human being which is not currently perceptible to the naked average human eye or captured by any known scientific instrumentation that can survive after death. Would that knowledge disturb you in anyway?

If it would not ,why can't we keep an open mind and try to investigate ourselves. We all can be scientist especially if we know how to apply the scientific method of inquiry.

. I myself from a long time ago, ,have been investigating some of these phenomenon . Honestly, I have gathered enough data myself that has kept me open-minded But I have learnt to ignore anything based on believe.. I don't bother myself with those.

duketunde:

She was a Yoruba Christian. She was praying, holding my hands, saying that I should not let her die, that she still has little children at home. She then started behaving abnormally, talking irrationally and screaming, also convulsing intermittently.
At this point, I called a senior who came in, assessed her and told me privately that she won't make it. He told me to continue masterly activity which I did.

She finally died after few hours she was brought in. I certified her dead in her file, disconnected all life support, and went to my house to sleep around 3am when the call got less busy. I was weak and sad.

LordReed:


See here:



You can see he was quite psychologically affected by the event. He was about to sleep at 3am, meaning he was partially sleep deprived and tired. These conditions could have compounded to make him susceptible.

For Nigerian doctors and suicide see here: https://healthwise.punchng.com/suicide-a-silent-scourge-among-nigerian-doctors/

Scientists don't make those kinds of pronouncements about people without evidence. You can check scientific investigations into NDEs, you won't find that kind of language.

I do have an open mind to the possibility that a soul or whatever exists but I don't see the supporting evidence.