The Question No Christian Can Answer
- By David Wood

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uA23-bUOdTI
One of the most common accusations Christians hear from their Moslem friends is that Christians believe that 1+1+1=1. But is this what Christians believe?
What happens if we apply the same sort of analysis to Allah, Mohamed, and the Koran?
David Wood investigates.

Empiree, Lukgaf, Rashduct4luv, Antichristian, motayoayinde, mhmsadyq, haekymbahd or Realismailakabir

sagenaija:
The Question No Christian Can Answer
- By David Wood

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uA23-bUOdTI
One of the most common accusations Christians hear from their Moslem friends is that Christians believe that 1+1+1=1. But is this what Christians believe?
What happens if we apply the same sort of analysis to Allah, Mohamed, and the Koran?
David Wood investigates.

Empiree, Lukgaf, Rashduct4luv, Antichristian, motayoayinde, mhmsadyq, haekymbahd or Realismailakabir

Matthew 7:1-4

When two or more people agree in everything ,they are collectively referred to as one . God the father ,son and Holy spirit agree in everything .acts in Union .that's why they are referred as one.

Same way husband and wife are referred to as one in the Bible,even though they are two individuals.

Same way we are collectively referred to as Nigeria ,even though Nigeria is made up of atleast 250 million individuals.

Kenneth4u205:
When two or more people agree in everything ,they are collectively referred to as one . God the father ,son and Holy spirit agree in everything .acts in Union .that's why they are referred as one.

Same way husband and wife are referred to as one in the Bible, even though they are two individuals.

Same way we are collectively referred to as Nigeria ,even though Nigeria is made up of at least 250 million individuals.

You may be right when you talk about Husband & wife and Nigeria as a collection of people. But in the case of God you will always be wrong.

A Husband can divorce the wife and vice versa!

In Nigeria, majority of the Igbos want to secede!

The above can't be applied to God. Can the son divorce the Father and Spirit? Can the Spirit secede from the trinity?
And the components of Nigeria are not doing similar things!
So also a husband and wife have different roles!

Your analogy failed.

sagenaija:
The Question No Christian Can Answer
- By David Wood

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uA23-bUOdTI
One of the most common accusations Christians hear from their Moslem friends is that Christians believe that 1+1+1=1. But is this what Christians believe?
What happens if we apply the same sort of analysis to Allah, Mohamed, and the Koran?
David Wood investigates.

Empiree, Lukgaf, Rashduct4luv, Antichristian, motayoayinde, mhmsadyq, haekymbahd or Realismailakabir

why are you calling out muslims, what about nazarenes, ebionites, Jehovah witnesses, Jews, Early Unitarian christians whom the Catholics killed (Arius),

This only make sense to your group, everyone know it does not make any sense.

By the way what is your view


1. Is it that Jehovah is Jesus

Or

2. The father is different from the son and the son is different from the Holyspirit and holy spirit is different from the father but they are one God.




Jesus and Father are one in essence but Jesus and Father are not one God

There can only be one God


Same way you can't say

1 male + 1 female = 1female or 1male it just doesn't add up


1 male + 1 female = 1 in essence this is still logical..

Summary. Jesus is Christ and messenger of God while God is God.


New King James Version
And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. John 17:3



Allah SWT said:

"O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, Three; desist - it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs."
(QS. An-Nisaa 4: Verse 171)

haekymbahd:

New King James Version
And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. John 17:3

This alone has solved the riddle!

Jesus' own words clarifying that we need to know only two persons:
The only true God
And
Jesus whom God sent (messenger)

Definitely the account of Matthew 28:19-20 wasn't talking about three persons otherwise Jesus wouldn't have omitted the third person here.
So we need to be baptized in the name of the father, the son and the holy spirit means knowing how God created everything, how things turn bad and the part God's son took in the salvation plan then what keeps God's people united as one big and happy family of PEACE loving worshipers is God's active force (Holy Spirit) John 14:26
Failure to grasp this will only amount to contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines all in the name of worshiping the same God!

Thanks for substantiating what Jesus said in that verse!

sagenaija:
The Question No Christian Can Answer

Whatever is founded on credulity can never be resolved because it's a lie!

Kenneth4u205:
When two or more people agree in everything ,they are collectively referred to as one . God the father ,son and Holy spirit agree in everything .acts in Union .that's why they are referred as one.

Same way husband and wife are referred to as one in the Bible,even though they are two individuals.

Same way we are collectively referred to as Nigeria ,even though Nigeria is made up of atleast 250 million individuals.

I don't understand how Christians reason. See logic...smh

Empiree:
I don't understand how Christians Churchgoers reason. See logic...smh

You need to know how to distinguish between the Christians and misinformed Churchgoers!

MaxInDHouse:


You need to know how to distinguish between the Christians and misinformed Churchgoers!

A church-goer is still Christian, isn't?

Empiree:

A church-goer is still Christian, isn't?

Naaaaaaaaaaaaa!

A Churchgoer is one who is born into a religion he/she can't explain or someone brainwashed to carry credulous thoughts in his/her head.

While a Christian is the one who has what it takes to convince anyone that he knows the right thing.

So when a Churchgoer is given the opportunity to talk about his believes you'll continue to wonder how he/she could have accepted such ideas because if someone is not brought up with such ideas it will be impossible for a normal person to accept it. But when a Christian is allowed to speak about his faith any listener will feel the touch and it will be either you wish to be like him if you're sincere {Act 26:24-28} or start thinking of how to silence him if you're the insincere type! Act 4:13,18; 5:33

Nobody can listen to a real followers of Christ and remain the same, if you love the truth you will continue to long for more but if you hate the truth you will look for ways to silence them!

AntiChristian:

The above can't be applied to God. Can the son divorce the Father and Spirit? Can the Spirit secede from the trinity?
And the components of Nigeria are not doing similar things!
So also a husband and wife have different roles!

Your analogy failed.

Gbagaun! CHANGE OF POST!
Trinity is about Unity, therefore, you can not raise divorce, in the talk of Unity.

So Invalid Answer!

Empiree:
I don't understand how Christians reason. See logic...smh

See, UNABLE TO COUNTER!

You are just complaining about the great difficulty experienced in finding a valid counter, but finding none.

THERE IS NO VALID ARGUMENT AGAINST THE TRUTH.

None whatsoever!

Kenneth4u205:
When two or more people agree in everything ,they are collectively referred to as one . God the father ,son and Holy spirit agree in everything .acts in Union .that's why they are referred as one.

Same way husband and wife are referred to as one in the Bible,even though they are two individuals.

Same way we are collectively referred to as Nigeria ,even though Nigeria is made up of atleast 250 million individuals.

Tell them brother, Fire On!

MaxInDHouse:


Naaaaaaaaaaaaa!

A Churchgoer is one who is born into a religion he/she can't explain or someone brainwashed to carry credulous thoughts in his/her head.

While a Christian is the one who has what it takes to convince anyone that he knows the right thing.

So when a Churchgoer is given the opportunity to talk about his believes you'll continue to wonder how he/she could have accepted such ideas because if someone is not brought up with such ideas it will be impossible for a normal person to accept it. But when a Christian is allowed to speak about his faith any listener will feel the touch and it will be either you wish to be like him if you're sincere {Act 26:24-28} or start thinking of how to silence him if you're the insincere type! Act 4:13,18; 5:33

Nobody can listen to a real followers of Christ and remain the same, if you love the truth you will continue to long for more but if you hate the truth you will look for ways to silence them!

Do you then agree with DW's analysis?. Remember the guy you labeled Churchgoer in his writeup was trying to validate DW's. The implication is that DW himself is churchgoer by his jargon, correct?

Empiree:

Di you then agree with DW's analysis?. Remember the guy you labeled Churchgoer in his writeup was trying to validate DW's. The implication is that DW himself is churchgoer by his jargon, correct?

David Wood is just one of them (the Churchgoers)
Jesus laid down the principle that will help you IDENTIFY the true Christians it's written in the Bible so even if you're not interested in Christianity you can still distinguish between the real Christians and misinformed Churchgoers! Matthew 7:16-18

MaxInDHouse:


David Wood is just one of them (the Churchgoers)

Case is closed. Since you pretty much disagree with David Wood and you are Christian, then, Muslims like me don't need to try to argue on this video or to try to rationalize his rubbish.

Jesus laid down the principle that will help you IDENTIFY the true Christians it's written in the Bible so even if you're not interested in Christianity you can still distinguish between the real Christians and misinformed Churchgoers! Matthew 7:16-18

I will be interested knowing from the bible where Jesus mentioned Christian, Christianity and the principles of Christianity.

Dtruthspeaker:


See, UNABLE TO COUNTER!

You are just complaining about the great difficulty experienced in finding a valid counter, but finding none.

THERE IS NO VALID ARGUMENT AGAINST THE TRUTH.

None whatsoever!

The foolish thing for muslims to do is try to argue with David Wood's gibberish. His analysis is Christians vs Christians because not all Christians believe the Trinity.

So, here is a Christian response

MaxInDH.ouse:


David Wood is just one of them (the Churchgoers)
Jesus laid down the principle that will help you IDENTIFY the true Christians it's written in the Bible

This fellow here is saying that David Wood is not a Christian. Why should a Muslim try to debunk rubbish that doesn't hold water?.

My friend, David Wood is seeking attention. He realized he's not longer relevant. He never was actually.

Empiree:

Case is closed. Since you pretty much disagree with David Wood and you are Christian, then, Muslims like me don't need to try to argue on this video or to try to rationalize his rubbish.
I will be interested knowing from the bible where Jesus mentioned Christian, Christianity and the principles of Christianity.

I was also a Muslim before i converted to JW so if you're interested in knowing the truth you've got to put aside sentiment and face facts!

First of all the true God of Israel never called His worshipers "CHRISTIANS" neither did Jesus mention anything as such. So how did Jesus' first century disciples got that name?

They were trying as much as possible to do things the way Jesus instructed them because he told them that it's not by calling him Lord! Lord!! or bowing or kneeling before him that matters rather they must do the will of his father who is in heaven (God) Matthew 7:21-23

The reason is because many back then acknowledged Jesus as Lord they keep calling him "Lord" and kneeling before him but they missed the import of his message:
Before anyone can qualify for everlasting life he/she must become an imitator of Jesus Christ in thoughts, words and actions. This requires great humility from each person as we must abandon what we prefer doing and cling unto what Jesus taught us. Luke 9:23
That is what the inhabitants of Antioch saw in them before they nicknamed them "CHRISTIANS" in fact it was a mockery back then as whoever is known by that group name is considered a slowpoke who can't think by himself but always adhering to Jesus' words.
Many of them were arrested and killed just like their leader yet they will not fight back nor compromise their faith. So the inhabitants of Antioch began calling them by that group name to vilify them. But Jesus' followers welcome the new development with joy and they're now sure that they are doing exactly what their leader taught them! Matthew 10:32-33

So the group name CHRISTIAN is not what God wants to call His worshipers the inhabitants of Antioch were using it to mock Jesus' disciples.

God has foretold through Isaiah the prophet that his true worshipers will be mocked with a name, they will drop it for Satan's agents who will later carry it on their head, but the true God will call His own worshipers by another name and destroy all those hypocrites using that mockery name as a disguise to perpetrate evil!

And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord GOD shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name: Isaiah 65:15

So my friend, the name "CHRISTIANS" wasn't God's choice rather God permitted His people to bear that mockery until Jesus separated his true disciples from the midst of misinformed Churchgoers {Matthew 13:30} the name God has always called His worshipers are "His Witnesses" {Isaiah 43:10-12} Apostle Paul also confirmed this when he wrote a letter to the Hebrew speaking congregation and after listing the names of ancient servants of God {Hebrews 11:4-32} Paul declared that they are WITNESSES of the true God! Hebrews 12:1

So from Abel to Jesus Christ himself and true servants of God today we are all JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES! Revelations 1:5

May you have PEACE!

Empiree:
The foolish thing for muslims to do is try to argue with David Wood's gibberish. His analysis is Christians vs Christians because not all Christians believe the Trinity.

So, here is a Christian response

This fellow here is saying that David Wood is not a Christian. Why should a Muslim try to debunk rubbish that doesn't hold water?.

My friend, David Wood is seeking attention. He realized he's not longer relevant. He never was actually.

As if Moslems don't have their own fair share of groups.
Why attack the man instead of debunking his arguments?
It simply shows that you have no reasonable response to his arguments.

MaxInDHouse:


I was also a Muslim before i converted to JW

It means you didn't know what you were doing not did you know Islam. Since you are a JW, for a record, here is our brief dialogue with a JW at Adiyan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9AJoPGx_jE

First of all the true God of Israel never called His worshipers "CHRISTIANS" neither did Jesus mention anything as such. So how did Jesus' first century disciples got that name?

You are probably the first Christian that ever said the truth on this unlike other Christians who tried all means possible to link Christianity/Christians to Jesus.

Now, for the fact that you admitted to this fact, this alone rebuked you. Is Jesus didn't call himself or his followers Christians, all subsequent claims relating to Jesus are questionable.

In the Quran, God made it as plain and as clear as possible that Jesus and his disciples were called Muslims .


Then when 'Iesa (Jesus) came to know of their disbelief, he said: "Who will be my helpers in Allah's Cause?" Al-Hawariun (the disciples) said: "We are the helpers of Allah; we believe in Allah, and bear witness that we are Muslims (i.e. we submit to Allah)." Q3:52


"Abraham was neither Jewish , nor Christian; he was a monotheist; a Muslim; he never was an idol-worshiper. The people most worthy of following Abraham are those who follow him and this prophet (Muhammed), and those who believed. God is the Lord of the believers". [Quran 3:67-68]

They were trying as much as possible to do things the way Jesus instructed them because he told them that it's not by calling him Lord! Lord!! or bowing or kneeling before him that matters rather they must do the will of his father who is in heaven (God) Matthew 7:21-23

Good. What is the will of the Father in heaven?

The reason is because many back then acknowledged Jesus as Lord they keep calling him "Lord" and kneeling before him but they missed the import of his message:

Jesus was simply their rabbi. This is what Bible writer mischievously translated as Lord which is very wrong.

Before anyone can qualify for everlasting life he/she must become an imitator of Jesus Christ in thoughts, words and actions. This requires great humility from each person as we must abandon what we prefer doing and cling unto what Jesus taught us. Luke 9:23

So far you are dealing with noble character. Character or trying to imitate good character of Jesus by is what we called "sunnah". This is secondary issue. In the bible, we read that the first of all commandments is acknowledgement and worship of One God. Mark 12:29 & Deuteronomy 6:4

That is what the inhabitants of Antioch saw in them before they nicknamed them "CHRISTIANS" in fact it was a mockery back then as whoever is known by that group name is considered a slowpoke who can't think by himself but always adhering to Jesus' words.

I think by now you should wake up from your slumber. If Jesus didn't call himself Christian not did he acknowledge the name Christianity, then, no one had the authority to call followers of Jesus "Christians". Quran clear from the verse o quoted up there Q3:52. According to you the disciples were called Christians after Jesus. But Quran said the disciples called themselves Muslim right in the presence of Jesus. Which one is more credible?. Muslim is someone who submits totally to the God in Islam. Islam means submission. Muslim is submitter.

Many of them were arrested and killed just like their leader yet they will not fight back nor compromise their faith. So the inhabitants of Antioch began calling them by that group name to vilify them. But Jesus' followers welcome the new development with joy and they're now sure that they are doing exactly what their leader taught them! Matthew 10:32-33

So the Antioch who were disbelievers named Jesus disciples "Christians" and you think that automatically means they followed Jesus?. That's awkward. What happened was that the word "Christian" was coined from christo which is Greek word which means "anointed". So from Christian they derived Christianity. Hence Jesus was anointed by God.

So the group name CHRISTIAN is not what God wants to call His worshipers the inhabitants of Antioch were using it to mock Jesus' disciples.

but you adopted the name, Christian. If God didn't want His worship but that name, this means Quran is right when says:

"Abraham was neither a Jew, nor a Christian but a true Muslim" - Q3:67

God has foretold through Isaiah the prophet that his true worshipers will be mocked with a name, they will drop it for Satan's agents who will later carry it on their head, but the true God will call His own worshipers by another name and destroy all those hypocrites using that mockery name as a disguise to perpetrate evil!

And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord GOD shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name: Isaiah 65:15

meaning, Christianity/Christians cursed. From your downright testimonies so far show Christianity/Christian did not exist in the time of Jesus nor was it granted authority.

So my friend, the name "CHRISTIANS" wasn't God's choice rather God permitted His people to bear that mockery until Jesus separated his true disciples from the midst of misinformed Churchgoers {Matthew 13:30} the name God has always called His worshipers are "His Witnesses" {Isaiah 43:10-12} Apostle Paul also confirmed this when he wrote a letter to the Hebrew speaking congregation and after listing the names of ancient servants of God {Hebrews 11:4-32} Paul declared that they are WITNESSES of the true God! Hebrews 12:1

Am just loving the fact that you are very truthful and straightforward. So now, it is clear that Christian/Christianity are non-existent. Thanks for clarification. This is very noted. Now, as for the "WITNESSES" you mentioned, Quran confirmed this when Jesus asked his followers:


"Who will be my helpers in God's Cause?" The disciples said: "We are the helpers of God; we believe in God, and bear witness that we are Muslims (i.e. we submit to Allah)." Q3:52

You get it yet, brother?

So from Abel to Jesus Christ himself and true servants of God today we are all JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES! Revelations 1:5

May you have PEACE!

the term, witness, is used many times in the Quran in similar context. I will give you just two references.


"Strive hard for God as is His due: He has chosen you and placed no hardship in your religion(Islam), the faith of your forefather Abraham. God has called you Muslims––both in the past and in this [message]––so that the Messenger can bear witness about you and so that you can bear witness over mankind. So keep up the prayer, give the prescribed alms, and seek refuge in God: He is your protector––an excellent protector and an excellent helper". Q22:78




"Indeed, We have sent to you a Messenger as a witness upon you...." Q 73:15


So Jehovah's witness literally means 'God's witnesses' which is what God called Muslims in the Quran, that Muslims are witnesses to God and over mankind.

Even in sura 3 of the Bible Quran, God said He breast witness for Himself and Angels also bear witness


God (Himself) is Witness that there is no God save Him. And the angels and the men of learning (too are witness). Maintaining His creation in justice, there is no gods save Him (God) the Almighty, the Wise.

sagenaija:
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As if Moslems don't have their own fair share of groups.
Why attack the man instead of debunking his arguments?
It simply shows that you have no reasonable response to his arguments.

since your fellow christians themselves rejected David Wood's theory, why should I even bother myself?

Kenneth4u205:
When two or more people agree in everything ,they are collectively referred to as one . God the father ,son and Holy spirit agree in everything .acts in Union .that's why they are referred as one.

What chapter and verse says the 3 are one?

Kenneth4u205:

Same way husband and wife are referred to as one in the Bible,even though they are two individuals.

Same way we are collectively referred to as Nigeria ,even though Nigeria is made up of atleast 250 million individuals.

Amos 3:3 & John 17:11,22 unity of purpose.
Different from your triune deities worship.

If you don't know, you don't know. Dont say no Christian can explain it. I can either confuse you the more OR I can help explain your confusion.

The Father is God
The Son is God
The Holy Spirit is God

AND YET, scripture says,

There's ONE God, ONE FAITH, ONE BAPTISM.

See if you can tie it up together without contradicting one scripture for or against another.

Goshen360:
If you don't know, you don't know. Dont say no Christian can explain it. I can either confuse you the more OR I can help explain your confusion.

The Father is God
The Son is God
The Holy Spirit is God

AND YET, scripture says,

There's ONE God, ONE FAITH, ONE BAPTISM.

See if you can tie it up together without contradicting one scripture for or against another.

Romans 3:29-30, John 4:23-24 "the God is "He".
"He" is how many persons?

Empiree:

It means you didn't know what you were doing not did you know Islam. Since you are a JW, for a record, here is our brief dialogue with a JW at Adiyan.

My friend, Religion should be taken as God's arrangement to make man live like brothers and sisters not just where each person is only concerned with his personal matters.
Islam is just like any other religion that the world has known, it has nothing to do with our welfare but strictness to a deity that's of no practical benefit both to the worshipers or their neighbours.
If you carefully listen to a Hindu, Buddhist, Christendom, Atheist, Agnostic, Traditionalist and any other group having a school of thought you will notice that all of them have one thing in common:
How to reason on morals and healthy living!
But where all of them failed is how to connect others and carry them along in their line of thought!
Your religion may copy what the God of Israel says and start claiming they have something to do with that God but so much is missing in the link. That's why i keep searching for a religion that will beat my intellect not just a religion talking about holiness and sanctity of it's God because that's what all the religions do!

Empiree:

You are probably the first Christian that ever said the truth on this unlike other Christians who tried all means possible to link Christianity/Christians to Jesus.
Now, for the fact that you admitted to this fact, this alone rebuked you. Is Jesus didn't call himself or his followers Christians, all subsequent claims relating to Jesus are questionable.

Jesus came from Israel and if there is nothing special about his teaching i won't have taken it seriously whether he's called God, Son of God or messenger of God.
I carefully read through his words and meditated thoroughly before i concluded that this person is totally different from all others i have come across their teachings when talking about someone from God, his teachings beat all human wisdom.
So i picked interest and after been satisfied that Jesus has what it takes to be called a messenger of God i started looking for the group that's practicing what he taught.
As for Islam it's a complete failure but before you start arguing can you present a group of people claiming Muslims and practicing what that your religion teaches?
Remember that there are terrorist groups using your Qur'an and killing innocent people up and down, i don't want to believe that those ones are true Muslims so i'll like to know from you the name of a group that's practicing Islam exactly the way it should be.
As for Christianity i only told you that it's not the name JEHOVAH chose to call his worshipers but our first century brothers welcomed the development because it makes them happy that they were vilified along with Jesus Christ. There is a group practicing what Jesus taught today and they are known as Jehovah's Witnesses.

So present a group practicing what Islam teaches then let's step out of the box (Religion) for a moment and use our God's given brains to decipher which of the two truly befits to be called worshipers of God!

Dtruthspeaker:


Gbagaun! CHANGE OF POST!
Trinity is about Unity, therefore, you can not raise divorce, in the talk of Unity.

So Invalid Answer!

I only expatiate on his analogy of the trinity. Explain yours too and let's see it fail logically.

Empiree:
since your fellow christians themselves rejected David Wood's theory, why should I even bother myself?

So, using your logic here, if lukgaf and Empiree disagree on a topic Empiree posts we should not bother ourselves with his postulations. It means his position is defeated because his fellow Moslem did not agree with him.

And you're the one who said:

I don't understand how Christians reason.

Can anyone understand how you are reasoning in that statement?

The truth is that you understand David Wood's point. But because it doesn't help your cause you try to look for ways to ridicule it.

Look at how you've given long posts to 'win a convert' back to Islam yet you couldn't respond to a single thing in what David Wood said.

Btw, I've shown you before that what Mohamed said he was preaching was 'the religion of Abraham'. Not 'Islam'. Islam was created a hundred or more years after Mohamed died. Were they Shiites and Sunnis and co. in the time of Mohamed? Were you guys not mainly called Mohamedans at some point in time? Do some not still call you Mohamedans today?

I have also said and shown it repeatedly that Islam speaks from both sides of the mouth. You said the Koran said 'Abraham was neither a Jew .....'. But does the same Koran talk about 'Jews' and who their forebear was?

Islam (which actually means 'surrender') seeks to discredit every other thing but that which it puts forward. In the process it shoots itself in the foot.

Back to the thread topic: Do the 99 attributes of Allah mean that Allah is 99 beings?

MaxInDHouse:

My friend, Religion should be taken as God's arrangement to make man live like brothers and sisters not just where each person is only concerned with his personal matters.
Islam is just like any other religion that the world has known, it has nothing to do with our welfare but strictness to a deity that's of no practical benefit both to the worshipers or their neighbours.
If you carefully listen to a Hindu, Buddhist, Christendom, Atheist, Agnostic, Traditionalist and any other group having a school of thought you will notice that all of them have one thing in common:
How to reason on morals and healthy living!
But where all of them failed is how to connect others and carry them along in their line of thought!
Your religion may copy what the God of Israel says and start claiming they have something to do with that God but so much is missing in the link. That's why i keep searching for a religion that will beat my intellect not just a religion talking about holiness and sanctity of it's God because that's what all the religions do!


Jesus came from Israel and if there is nothing special about his teaching i won't have taken it seriously whether he's called God, Son of God or messenger of God.
I carefully read through his words and meditated thoroughly before i concluded that this person is totally different from all others i have come across their teachings when talking about someone from God, his teachings beat all human wisdom.
So i picked interest and after been satisfied that Jesus has what it takes to be called a messenger of God i started looking for the group that's practicing what he taught.
As for Islam it's a complete failure but before you start arguing can you present a group of people claiming Muslims and practicing what that your religion teaches?
Remember that there are terrorist groups using your Qur'an and killing innocent people up and down, i don't want to believe that those ones are true Muslims so i'll like to know from you the name of a group that's practicing Islam exactly the way it should be.
As for Christianity i only told you that it's not the name JEHOVAH chose to call his worshipers but our first century brothers welcomed the development because it makes them happy that they were vilified along with Jesus Christ. There is a group practicing what Jesus taught today and they are known as Jehovah's Witnesses.

So present a group practicing what Islam teaches then let's step out of the box (Religion) for a moment and use our God's given brains to decipher which of the two truly befits to be called worshipers of God!

Okay now, you have chosen to cross the boundaries by attacking Islam and comparing Islam with ridiculous stuff. I honestly want to refrain from saying much about all that. I only want to point important thing you pointed out. I highlighted it above. Can you tell me which group is truly practicing what Jesus taught?.

Listen bro, I have been cool. I know JW witnesses very well. I have encountered them million times.

Just a tip of the iceberg, can you tell us who created those terror!st groups?. Are there creators Muslims?. Go ahead

sagenaija:

So, using your logic here, if lukg.af and Empir.ee disagree on a topic Empir
ee posts we should not bother ourselves with his postulations. It means his position is defeated because his fellow Moslem did not agree with him.

And you're the one who said:


Can anyone understand how you are reasoning in that statement?

The truth is that you understand David Wood's point. But because it doesn't help your cause you try to look for ways to ridicule it.

Look at how you've given long posts to 'win a convert' back to Islam yet you couldn't respond to a single thing in what David Wood said.

Btw, I've shown you before that what Mohamed said he was preaching was 'the religion of Abraham'. Not 'Islam'. Islam was created a hundred or more years after Mohamed died. Were they Shiites and Sunnis and co. in the time of Mohamed? Were you guys not mainly called Mohamedans at some point in time? Do some not still call you Mohamedans today?

I have also said and shown it repeatedly that Islam speaks from both sides of the mouth. You said the Koran said 'Abraham was neither a Jew .....'. But does the same Koran talk about 'Jews' and who their forebear was?

Islam (which actually means 'surrender') seeks to discredit every other thing but that which it puts forward. In the process it shoots itself in the foot.

Back to the thread topic: Do the 99 attributes of Allah mean that Allah is 99 beings?

You are too elementary for me jare and you boring to me. I will only address your first paragraph. No Muslim disagree on fundamental issues in Islam. But David Wood analysis was based on fundamental doctrines which JW in this group disagrees with. If you read him very well, he believes Jesus is messanger if God contrary to your Creed

Empiree:
Okay now, you have chosen to cross the boundaries by attacking Islam and comparing Islam with ridiculous stuff. I honestly want to refrain from saying much about all that. I only want to point important thing you pointed out. I highlighted it above. Can you tell me which group is truly practicing what Jesus taught?.

Listen bro, I have been cool. I know JW witnesses very well. I have encountered them million times.

Just a tip of the iceberg, can you tell us who created those terror!st groups?. Are there creators Muslims?. Go ahead

I have presented the one and only group practicing what Jesus taught to you, THEY ARE JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

Now it's your turn to present the group you know that's practicing Islam, i don't think that's my duty since you said i don't understand the religion and that's why i left.
So present the group you know that's practicing Islam let's learn from them!

MaxInDHouse:


I have presented the one and only group practicing what Jesus taught to you, THEY ARE JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

I already rebuked and explained the concept of witnesses and God's witnesses. So that's clear.

Now it's your turn to present the group you know that's practicing Islam, i don't think that's my duty since you said i don't understand the religion and that's why i left.
So present the group you know that's practicing Islam let's learn from them!

Islam is not and groups. It is about practicing the religion as stipulated in the scripture (Qur'an). All Muslims and Muslim groups practice all tenets of Islam the same way.

Now, for the sake of those dialogue I will name just 5 groups in Nigeria only. Ansardeen, nasfat, Ahmadiya, Qorib, Awardeen. All practice Islam. Anything else you want to know?