Nothingserious:


As if I care.

Maybe you don’t why your don’t believe in God or the supernatural. Obviously it has nothing to do with proofs.

Do I also need 5 scientists to ask you?

Yeah you can have the 5 scientists who say that science has proved god doesn't exist ask me. LMFAO!

Nothingserious:


This is irrelevant to this discussion unless you are making presumptions that I am overtly religious and anti-science .

Surprisingly I haven’t made any defense for or against science. I haven’t also made any defense for religion in our presentations.

If you made such presumptions prematurely, then that’s bad cos it utterly contradicts what you have been struggling to say in our discourse.

It is rather obvious that you are looking at science as some sort of religion or you wouldn't have failed to see that Eve and Christ were practising science as opposed to stupidly ignorantly believing like Adam and the Pharisees did. You even claim science needs a spokesperson like its some sort of god, when it's obvious scientists don't have a chief priest nor organisation that every scientist bows to.

I called the Bible primitive science. The primitive might sound derogatory, but its of equal value, if not more, than Galen's primitive superseded science. Both are the shoulders of giants we now stand on to see much further than they did instead of just believing what they wrote. That is what science is, shoulders, and most scientists know that whatever they claim today may be superseded someday so there's no point believing what you haven't even tested. It's what Paul did with Christ, stand on the shoulders of those who precede them so they can see further, but you would rather stop at Paul as if he had two heads instead of emulating Paul who emulated Christ in seeking and asking and knocking with their own hearts and souls and minds.

Scientists who believe their science will defend their beliefs like you do, and if everyone had done that you'd have been communicating with me with drums instead of with the amazing technology that science has afforded you so you can direct your voice over the vast distance you currently do.

P.s. I have found it common for Bible believers to disbelieve what they see with their own eyes. Its as if they willfully blind themselves so they can't see, which I see as an insult to Jesus Christ, the great scientific optician one may read about in antiquity that they say they believe in. For what's the need of opening the eyes of those who wilfully refuse to see so they can convince themself that an Adam who surely did not die on the day that he ate thereof died on the day he ate that which he believed would kill him?

You are not only overtly a believer, which by the way is not the same as being religious, you are also vehemently anti-science or you wouldn't be here using the few hoaxes and pseudosciences as your examples of what science actually is and has provided you with.

Nothingserious:


The butterfly thinks himself a bird....

~An African adage~

Fool adage. The butterfly knows he’s not a bird

Crystyano:




Honestly,

I think your 'back and forth' with budaatum and XYZ remain baseless

In other words,
You are basically repeating the same thing but budaatum keeps showing unwillingness to consider it reasonable....


It's like you're trying to fetch water with a basket....

budaatum could have summarized it with YOU ARE WRONG.....


But it seems YOU ARE WRONG wouldn't be enough to stop you....



Does it even matter??



Your analogies have been ineffective....


You can never convince budaatum, who goes as far as turning the Bible upside down in order to show that buda has a mind, with your repetitions.....


Neither can you convince me that questions your questions ........


Repetitions don't show correctness so don't be so proud of yours.....


Determine what is right to you and stop asking useless questions so that the people reading your posts won't regret reading them.....


FreeIgboho once did something similar saying he's not sure of his own existence...

Later,he claimed to have TAUGHT LordReed and every other person that met him on Nairaland how nothing is certain....



Anyone can vomit anything and call it whatever it could be called BUT that won't make the person special.....




Ultimately, I dispose as many utterances as possible everyday.......

Go read the thread yourself. Initially they were so sure of this and that, including non-existence of God. In the end they agreed with me the only thing they can be sure exists is thinking!

FreeIgboho:


Go read the thread yourself. Initially they were so sure of this and that, including non-existence of God. In the end they agreed with me the only thing they can be sure exists is thinking!

They agreed with you?


But you are not sure of your own existence...

Who says you exist

FreeIgboho:


Fool adage. The butterfly knows he’s not a bird

Tell that to Ola Rotimi in “The Gods are not to blame”.

LordReed:


Yeah you can have the 5 scientists who say that science has proved god doesn't exist ask me. LMFAO!

So you triangulated yourself in.
You concede science has nothing to say on God and the supernatural. Obviously your godlessness isn’t hinged on your knowledge from science.

Should we say you don’t believe in God not because of anything but out of sheer emotional objections? You have knocked off science from that list. Hope we don’t need 5 scientists to help you out

Nothingserious:


So you triangulated yourself in.
You concede science has nothing to say on God and the supernatural. Obviously your godlessness isn’t hinged on your knowledge from science.

Should we say you don’t believe in God not because of anything but out of sheer emotional objections? You have knocked off science from that list. Hope we don’t need 5 scientists to help you out

There we go, delusion factory hard at work! LMAO!

Nothingserious:


When next you see people engaging in an important discussion, you don’t really have to join if you have nothing to say. Just sit it and watch by the sidelines. Your time will come to make an input.

You just filled up that response with superfluous verbiage with less to no content and relevance to issue at discourse.

Just so you know, they said chimpanzees share common ancestry (DNAs) with humans. So your adage made no sense.

So, chimpanzees are humans, right


budaatum is just repeating the same thing which budaatum has been repeating since budaatum joined Nairaland which is nothing but an attack on the understanding of anyone that says what budaatum considers to be wrong....


You're not helping yourself by repeating useless questions or disregarding my posts.....



If your conclusion is that I'm saying nothing, that's your cup of wine.....



At the moment, you're turning things upside down despite the fact that budaatum and LordReed are not new to turning things upside down....

They can also turn things upside down.....

So,if you don't go straight to the point and say your mind instead of wasting your time, your speech will be in vain...

budaatum:


It is rather obvious that you are looking at science as some sort of religion or you wouldn't have failed to see that Eve and Christ were practising science as opposed to stupidly ignorantly believing like Adam and the Pharisees did. You even claim science needs a spokesperson like its some sort of god, when it's obvious scientists don't have a chief priest nor organisation that every scientist bows to.

I called the Bible primitive science. The primitive might sound derogatory, but its of equal value, if not more, than Galen's primitive superseded science. Both are the shoulders of giants we now stand on to see much further than they did instead of just believing what they wrote. That is what science is, shoulders, and most scientists know that whatever they claim today may be superseded someday so there's no point believing what you haven't even tested. It's what Paul did with Christ, stand on the shoulders of those who precede them so they can see further, but you would rather stop at Paul as if he had two heads instead of emulating Paul who emulated Christ in seeking and asking and knocking with their own hearts and souls and minds.

Scientists who believe their science will defend their beliefs like you do, and if everyone had done that you'd have been communicating with me with drums instead of with the amazing technology that science has afforded you so you can direct your voice over the vast distance you currently do.

P.s. I have found it common for Bible believers to disbelieve what they see with their own eyes. Its as if they willfully blind themselves so they can't see, which I see as an insult to Jesus Christ, the great scientific optician one may read about in antiquity that they say they believe in. For what's the need of opening the eyes of those who wilfully refuse to see so they can convince themself that an Adam who surely did not die on the day that he ate thereof died on the day he ate that which he believed would kill him?

You are not only overtly a believer, which by the way is not the same as being religious, you are also vehemently anti-science or you wouldn't be here using the few hoaxes and pseudosciences as your examples of what science actually is and has provided you with.

Superfluous verbosity. I am afraid to to admit you say so much but contradict yourself in the process.

Stop forcing unrelated illustrations from the Bible. They aren’t working out fine. Anyone who understands the Bible a bit will notice that.

If by science here you mean seeking knowledge, then everyone is a scientist. But your understanding of the scriptures is very flawed. The Bible has eternal truth for the believers on the mind of God and his plan for humanity. If that is what you call primitiveness, I guess primitiveness is being re-defined by you. Of course you are wrong even though I won’t expect you to admit it.

It is presumptuous of you to try to profile my take on science and religion when I hadn’t said anything to warrant that. In all this discussion, we were x-raying science and how strictly empirical it’s processes could be. The argument isn’t whether religion applies empiricism in its approaches. Religion doesn’t claim that. So what is your point? That’s strawmanning.

I haven’t even said anything for or against science yet you drew conclusions. That’s the opposite of the image you try to project of yourself.

I don’t think you like science better than I do. I don’t think you are a science enthusiast better than I do. Maybe you have a science background. Fine. We all do. So stop the blank categorization of religious people. You aren’t correctly describing religious people. And that’s an error most people like you commit every time: thinking a religious person will be either religious or scientific. Who says it’s one or the other?

I am surprised that someone of your caliber is blindly arguing about an article that clearly said scientific hoaxes in history. Why does it bother you so much? The keyword is scientific and not religious hoaxes. Let it sink in pls. You may wish to contact the writers of the articles and tell them to change the content and title since you are very uncomfortable with anyone attaching the adjective “scientific “ to hoaxes in history.

Crystyano:



So, chimpanzees are humans, right


budaatum is just repeating the same thing which budaatum has been repeating since budaatum joined Nairaland which is nothing but an attack on the understanding of anyone that says what budaatum considers to be wrong....


You're not helping yourself by repeating useless questions or disregarding my posts.....



If your conclusion is that I'm saying nothing, that's your cup of wine.....



At the moment, you're turning things upside down despite the fact that budaatum and LordReed are not new to turning things upside down....

They can also turn things upside down.....

So,if you don't go straight to the point and say your mind instead of wasting your time, your speech will be in vain...

Isn’t it a fair game of turning things upside down? Don’t worry I am not new to nairaland. I have been here since 2007 and notice some of the antics.

FreeIgboho:


Go read the thread yourself. Initially they were so sure of this and that, including non-existence of God. In the end they agreed with me the only thing they can be sure exists is thinking!

Mr Matrix man that has not watched the movie but is so sure that the movie is a perfect analogy for the universe while still being sure he can't be sure about anything. LMAO!

You are just a walking meat bag of contradictions.

LordReed:


There we go, delusion factory hard at work! LMAO!

You think I expect something different?
LMAO is what you say each time you are boxed in.

Another antics is to ask for 5 scientists to come and tell me you are a godless fellow.

You aren’t a skeptic because of science is what you admitted.
So why are you a skeptic outside of empirical reasons? You are angry with God? It’s an emotional objection?

I just shake my head for you.

Nothingserious:


You think I expect something different?
LMAO is what you say each time you are boxed in.

Another antics is to ask for 5 scientists to come and tell me you are a godless fellow.

You aren’t a skeptic because of science is what you admitted.
So why are you a skeptic outside of empirical reasons? You are angry with God? It’s an emotional objection?

I just shake my head for you.

Boxed in by your delusions? Bwahahahahaha! Your delusion factory must be on overdrive. LMFAO!

Whenever you are unable to admit you gaffed you start trying to change the subject. LoL. Produce the 5 scientists who say science has proved god doesn't exist. If it is to talk about nonexistent Nobel prize controversies now you will name scientists. LMAO!

Crystyano:



They agreed with you?


But you are not sure of your own existence...

Who says you exist

Find out the difference between absolutely sure of something and likelyhood of something.
Still teaching you. I thought you’ve learnt

LordReed:


Mr Matrix man that has not watched the movie but is so sure that the movie is a perfect analogy for the universe while still being sure he can't be sure about anything. LMAO!

You are just a walking meat bag of contradictions.

My student . Good to see u again.
An equally or even better analogy is Total Recall. See the synopsis below

FreeIgboho:


My student . Good to see u again.
An equally or even better analogy is Total Recall. See the synopsis below

Another movie you haven't watched or have you watched it? LoLz

I am surely not your student since I am sure about the things you remain unsure about.

FreeIgboho:


Find out the difference between absolutely sure of something and likelyhood of something.
Still teaching you. I thought you’ve learnt

Find out ??

Yet you claim to be teaching


I know you're not absolutely sure of your own existence



Who cares

LordReed:


Another movie you haven't watched or have you watched it? LoLz

I am surely not your student since I am sure about the things you remain unsure about.

He's not sure of his own existence...


What else??

Nothingserious:


Isn’t it a fair game of turning things upside down? Don’t worry I am not new to nairaland. I have been here since 2007 and notice some of the antics.

Nobody turned your posts upside down.....

LordReed:


LoL that someone was me!

What were you doing so far back?

LordReed:


Another movie you haven't watched or have you watched it? LoLz

I am surely not your student since I am sure about the things you remain unsure about.

I’m preparing your next lesson .
All kidding aside, of course you’re not my student. You’re obviously a smart and widely read guy - unlike the overwhelming majority on NL

FreeIgboho:


I’m preparing your next lesson .
All kidding aside, of course you’re not my student. You’re obviously a smart and widely read guy - unlike the overwhelming majority on NL

Confusion

budaatum:


What were you doing so far back?

Can you help my brother?

My mum needs someone to help him

Crystyano:



Find out ??

Yet you claim to be teaching


I know you're not absolutely sure of your own existence



Who cares

That’s how you learn. You can’t expect to be spoon-fed everything.
Ok here, let me spell it out:
It is extremely likely you and I physically exist, but there is no way we can be absolutely sure.

Nothingserious:
In all this discussion, we were x-raying science and how strictly empirical it’s processes could be.

No one is making such a claim, Nothing. Science is done by fallible human beings, and they can't claim their evidence is always empirical or that bad scientist do not exist, especially if by empirical you mean always based on factual objective evidence. And you are the only one who would make a claim to be "x-raying science" in a thread titled "God And Science". Most would honestly admit to discussing both.

FreeIgboho:


That’s how you learn. You can’t expect to be spoon-fed everything.
Ok here, let me spell it out:
It is extremely likely you and I physically exist, but there is no way we can be absolutely sure.

That's how I learn nothing from you

Don't use we

It's you that can't be absolutely sure

LordReed:


Boxed in by your delusions? Bwahahahahaha! Your delusion factory must be on overdrive. LMFAO!

Whenever you are unable to admit you gaffed you start trying to change the subject. LoL. Produce the 5 scientists who say science has proved god doesn't exist. If it is to talk about nonexistent Nobel prize controversies now you will name scientists. LMAO!

I forgot to add your bwahahaha and LMFAO.
Those are meaningless and pointless.

Nobel prize controversy you read in a hurry and picked out what you WANTED TO SEE despite the article showing you severally what transpired. Keep deluding yourself.

Obviously you don’t know why you are godless.
Obviously science did not make you godless.
Obviously science said nothing about God and the supernatural.

Therefore your objections to Christianity must be plain emotional.

Maybe I will also need 5 scientists to assist you.

budaatum:


No one is making such a claim, Nothing. Science is done by fallible human beings, and they can't claim their evidence is always empirical or that bad scientist do not exist, especially if by empirical you mean always based on factual objective evidence. And you are the only one who would make a claim to be "x-raying science" in a thread titled "God And Science". Most would honestly admit to discussing both.

I said severally that sometimes you write much but miss the point. I repeatedly pointed out my points in our discourse. Possibly we were saying same thing in different ways.

I brought the illustrations on the Nobel Prize controversy between Einstein and Borh, the impact of the world war and the anti-Semitic sentiments by most German scientists, the issues around Quantum physics, matter as particles or as waves, hoaxes in sciences, subjectivity in human scientists, biases arising from funding etc just to drive home my point.

I was surprised you simply turned around to conclude I may have been anti-science ( lol).
I just smiled as I intentionally did not argue for or against science or even for religion.

By the way there is nothing wrong with x-raying science and it’s strict objectivity in a thread as this.

FreeIgboho:


That’s how you learn. You can’t expect to be spoon-fed everything.
Ok here, let me spell it out:
It is extremely likely you and I physically exist, but there is no way we can be absolutely sure.

You are right. From experience we know our consciousness and minds are real.

But with empirical data, none can show proofs of the existence of our consciousness. Same with logic and maths.

Nothingserious:


You are right. From experience we know our consciousness and minds are real.

But with empirical data, none can show proofs of the existence of our consciousness. Same with logic and maths. crystyano

Thank you!

budaatum:


What were you doing so far back?

I was looking for a post but got caught up again with that conversation and it occurred to me I had not liked it so I did! LoL

Buda you have been awesome, can't wait to have some Jesus tokes with you.