Oasis001:




Mou and attacking football in the same sentence?!

Tuchel and Conte play defensive football? Well I've learned from you sir.

he’s correct don’t forget Mou’s Madrid scored over a 100 laliga goals a league record.

Danielnino00:


Mourinho is defensive minded not conservative... Mou can get his team to play tantalizing attacking football when he can ..He just tend to switch on the defensive aspect quite often.. Conservative football is when you restrict your team from play to their strength because you are scared of losing...it also extends to players selection...

Conte,Tuchel, Mou and Simeone are examples of defensive coaches...
Rohr and Claude Le Puel are examples of conservative coaches

Brendan Rodgers is an example of a coach that plays attacking football with reckless abandon

Biesla and Klopp are example of coaches that high pressing football.
Pep plays possessive football..

A defensive coach is one who if he lives long will become a conservative coach and a conservative coach is eventually likely to be ultra conservative

safarigirl:
the play pattern is a failure in itself

United fans can say Ole never really failed them the last few seasons, after all, just last season, they finished second and qualified for the UCL despite how impossible it seemed, but these are calamities waiting to happen.

It's like watching a car skid along the road, you know it will lead to a fatal accident, but still, you are made to watch it go.

Nah.... United is not Watford or Everton. United should be winning titles not celebrating UCL Qualification or coming up second in the League.


Unlike NFF, United Board is damn rich and can afford world class Managers and players. Ole has no play pattern. He's as clueless as Rohr tactically.

Only difference is, Rohr has never failed his contractual Agreement (clauses) with NFF. He qualified us for World Cup, won Bronze medal at AFCON.

He has qualified us again for AFCON and possibly gonna make it to Qatar, if he's still in charge...... that's not FAILURE.

jihday:
he’s correct don’t forget Mou’s Madrid scored over a 100 laliga goals a league record.

How is he correct? Tell me about Mou Stint at United or at Spurs..... that are recent.

forgiveness:


Shots on target proofs Chelsea dominated.

Ok

Mujtahida:

A defensive coach is one who if he lives long will become a conservative coach.

Simple as ABC. Mou started well at Madrid, but switched to conservative football coz of stiff competition with Pep's Barcelona.

Oasis001:


How is he correct? Tell me about Mou Stint at United or at Spurs..... that are recent.

In Mou 2017/2018 season at Man Utd, only City and Liverpool outscored United

Danielnino00:


Mourinho holds the record for the most goals scored by a team in a single La liga season with 121 goals the season he won the league with Real Madrid! He has orchestrated his team to win games with big margins...

Tuchel and Conte set up their teams defensively as much as Mourinho does...they still play attacking football..

Calling Mourinho style conservative jus further expose your ignorance...

I think that Mourinho played attacking football but gradually became defensive minded. Not that he's not been mindful of good defense play but that aspect seems to dominate how he sets his team up nowadays. He's popularized the concept of 'parking the bus'.

But I agree with you that it's not apt to describe Mourinho as conservative but if e no change, when he's old he's likely not just to be conservative but ultra conservative like papi Rohr. For now he's defensive minded.

safarigirl:
Genuine question guys,

I was arguing with one fellow on Twitter yesterday who thinks that Rohr doesn't deserve to be sacked, because according to him, "He was qualifying us for tournaments without headache"


Do you guys think this is enough and he should keep his job?

it’s only a matter of time before we are exposed, his team have been struggling for goals. Played Tunisia Algeria and Cameroon (*2) scored only a goal, could only score a late goal against Benin, in a group that have capeverde CAR and Liberia we scored 9 with 5 of them being defensive errors,Penalties and own goal. If we continue like that he’ll come up short when it matters

Olulong:


In Mou 2017/2018 season at Man Utd, only City and Liverpool outscored United

Easy Dude.... what of Tottenham and Arsenal?

Oasis001:




Easy Dude.... what of Tottenham?

Oops just checked.. My bad.

Apparently United's strength was in defense that year, De Gea winning the Golden Glove and conceding just 28 goals

But still I wouldn't classify Mourinho as an ultra defensive coach. We've seen Mou's team dominate teams they are expected to beat.

With Rohr we can't even String 4 passes together

forgiveness:


Gbam! Onyeka is a very good player but we need backup players for Onyeka and Ndidi on the bench.

That's where Onyedika comes in

Mujtahida:

I have never liked Tika taka cos I don't believe in one side dominating possession in such a manner that the other team does not have the ball. (In fact they are robbed of the ball) What's the pleasure if only one team has the ball 70-80 percent of the time? Did I come to watch one team pass the ball among themselves? It's two teams playing. No be say only one team go dey pass among themselves from morning till night. It's boring to me.

At the same time I don't like bland football (tiki taka is actually bland to me) like the ultra conservative football of Rohr or Mourinho. I like Pelegrini, I like Jupp Heynckes (Bayern Munich ) and Jurgen Klopp.

I like intense, high energy football between the two teams. That back and forth. You fire me, I fire you, as in that drama is what I now enjoy in football.

This!!! Even though I don’t really like Bielsa as a coach but I love his chaotic style, if you score 2 I’ll score 4

Olulong:


Oops just checked.. My bad.

Apparently United's strength was in defense that year, De Gea winning the Golden Glove and conceding just 28 goals

Even Arsenal that finished 6th outscored a Team that finished second. At the bolded, yet Mou ain't conservative?!

jihday:
This!!! Even though I don’t really like Bielsa as a coach but I love his chaotic style, if you score 2 I’ll score 4

If TheGoodJoe turns out to be a Club Manager, he's gonna be like Bielsa. I like him sha, you can concede but you must keep attacking and scoring as well.

nelszx:

That's where Onyedika comes in

Well, I don’t know him well.

safarigirl:
Genuine question guys,

I was arguing with one fellow on Twitter yesterday who thinks that Rohr doesn't deserve to be sacked, because according to him, "He was qualifying us for tournaments without headache"


Do you guys think this is enough and he should keep his job?

Noooo. The goodJoe's law states that if a team is not playing well (as in improving its game) even if it qualifies for tournaments or wins games, with time it will not qualify for tournaments or win games

On the other hand if a team is improving its play even if it loses games or fails to qualify for tournaments, over time it will win more games and qualify for tournaments with comparative ease.

Applying this sweet law to Rohr, it means that 2018 WC, we qualified with ease but because our play has not been improving, we have been struggling to get good results and it's possible that if Rohr continues we might not win or even qualify for tournaments.

I must admit though that the effect of this dynamic is most applicable at club football because of the number and frequency of games played compared to national team football.

Oasis001:


To be honest, Rohr has never failed us yet, we are only tired of his play pattern.

With time he will fail us. The hand writing is on the wall.

Mujtahida:

With time he will fail us. The hand writing is on the wall.

That's why I said 'yet'. He's bound to fail at coming AFCON, except he changes his play pattern, lineup and tactical approach to Games.

forgiveness:


Well, I don’t know him well.

That's cos our coach would call up a shehu and 3 midfielders in his squad all the time.

He plays for Midtjylland and he has replaced Onyeka very well. We even have Alhassan Yusuf.

Rohr doesn't invite quality to his squad that's why

safarigirl:
the play pattern is a failure in itself

United fans can say Ole never really failed them the last few seasons, after all, just last season, they finished second and qualified for the UCL despite how impossible it seemed, but these are calamities waiting to happen.

It's like watching a car skid along the road, you know it will lead to a fatal accident, but still, you are made to watch it go.

Gbam. First it was good play, good results2016-2018. In between it became bad play but with results. Now it's a mix bag cos with the bad play we get as much bad results as good results(2019-2021). It's only a matter of time before the only meal on the menu becomes bad results because the cooking style is bad. Customers don run leave our restaurant. SE will be playing in this days of intense social media engagement and the news of our game will only be a blimp on SM.

safarigirl:
Genuine question guys,

I was arguing with one fellow on Twitter yesterday who thinks that Rohr doesn't deserve to be sacked, because according to him, "He was qualifying us for tournaments without headache"


Do you guys think this is enough and he should keep his job?

Not enough

We ve tasted good football and qualifying for tournament in the past to settle for this mediocre.

2. Check the 10 teams that qualified for the Knock out stage, Nigeria is ranked 8 out of 10 in terms of no of goals scored. Nigeria only managed to score only 9 goals in 6 matches

nelszx:

That's cos our coach would call up a shehu and 3 midfielders in his squad all the time.

He plays for Midtjylland and he has replaced Onyeka very well. We even have Alhassan Yusuf.

Rohr doesn't invite quality to his squad that's why

Okay. I think Alhassan should be considered ahead of him because he plays in a better league.

Mujtahida:

Great points. But on a side note. What happened to Rohr? Was it not this same Rohr that qualified us out of the group of death during the WCQ for Russia 2018 with one game to spare? Look at how we annihilated Algeria, outclassed Cameroun and silenced Zambia. And we played good. What happened to this man?

I keep asking myself this same question.

Gernot Rohr bids his senior players farewell

Gernot Rohr bids his senior players farewell
Fisayo Dairo
November 19, 2021

The soon-to-be-disengaged head coach of Nigeria’s Super Eagles, Gernot Rohr has apparently said his farewell to his senior players, www.aclsports.com can report.

The future of the 68-year old German coach is up in the air after a series of lacklustre performances by his players in the past couple of months.

This reached a crescendo on Tuesday night when Nigeria narrowly avoided defeat against Cape Verde in their final group game in the race to qualifying for the 2022 FIFA World Cup.

Since the end of that 1-1 draw in Lagos, there have been reports indicating that Rohr’s reign as Nigeria head coach might be over and in spite of the Federation half-heartedly denying the news on Thursday, another dimension came into it that evening.

www.aclsports.com has authoritatively scooped that Rohr has bade farewell to his valued key players, informing them of the stance by Nigeria Football Federation (NFF) to relieve him of his duties.

Although the process is not yet complete according to the former Gabon national team head coach, it was now safe for him to thank “his boys” for their support and cooperation while he was in charge of the Super Eagles.

Rohr and his employers are expected to officially confirm the parting of ways in the coming days once all legal details are sorted. A replacement is also expected to be named by the Federation as soon as the news is made official.

Nigeria is among twenty-four African countries that will participate at the 2021 Africa Cup of Nations to be hosted by Cameroon in January and have been drawn against Egypt, Sudan and Guinea-Bissau in Group D.

The Eagles will also know their foes in the final round of qualification for Qatar 2022 when the draws are conducted on December 18, 2021.

If we're talking about delivering (so far) on targets set for him then yes Rohr doesn't deserve to be sacked. Playing sexy football was never inserted into his contract so we can't accuse Gernot of failing based on that. Speaking strictly to the terms of his contract he absolutely doesn't deserve to be sacked.

I was team Rohr in the past because I felt with limited talent he still made us competitive especially on the African continent. The arrival of genuinely talented players in the squad was supposed to have improved our displays significantly but unfortunately it's been diminishing returns of late. The 4-4 draw at home to SL sealed it for me.

safarigirl:
Genuine question guys,

I was arguing with one fellow on Twitter yesterday who thinks that Rohr doesn't deserve to be sacked, because according to him, "He was qualifying us for tournaments without headache"


Do you guys think this is enough and he should keep his job?

jihday:
This!!! Even though I don’t really like Bielsa as a coach but I love his chaotic style, if you score 2 I’ll score 4

Yes let's have beautiful chaos. I dread boring football

Olulong:
Gernot Rohr bids his senior players farewell

Gernot Rohr bids his senior players farewell
Fisayo Dairo
November 19, 2021

The soon-to-be-disengaged head coach of Nigeria’s Super Eagles, Gernot Rohr has apparently said his farewell to his senior players, www.aclsports.com can report.

The future of the 68-year old German coach is up in the air after a series of lacklustre performances by his players in the past couple of months.

This reached a crescendo on Tuesday night when Nigeria narrowly avoided defeat against Cape Verde in their final group game in the race to qualifying for the 2022 FIFA World Cup.

Since the end of that 1-1 draw in Lagos, there have been reports indicating that Rohr’s reign as Nigeria head coach might be over and in spite of the Federation half-heartedly denying the news on Thursday, another dimension came into it that evening.

www.aclsports.com has authoritatively scooped that Rohr has bade farewell to his valued key players, informing them of the stance by Nigeria Football Federation (NFF) to relieve him of his duties.

Although the process is not yet complete according to the former Gabon national team head coach, it was now safe for him to thank “his boys” for their support and cooperation while he was in charge of the Super Eagles.

Rohr and his employers are expected to officially confirm the parting of ways in the coming days once all legal details are sorted. A replacement is also expected to be named by the Federation as soon as the news is made official.

Nigeria is among twenty-four African countries that will participate at the 2021 Africa Cup of Nations to be hosted by Cameroon in January and have been drawn against Egypt, Sudan and Guinea-Bissau in Group D.

The Eagles will also know their foes in the final round of qualification for Qatar 2022 when the draws are conducted on December 18, 2021.

I'll miss this man honestly

seankafor:
I'll miss this man honestly

Lol

NFF should just sack this man let everyone rest. All this speculation sef don tire me. Rohr might still get a job with at least a good African team and possibly be at AFCON sef

jihday:
This!!! Even though I don’t really like Bielsa as a coach but I love his chaotic style, if you score 2 I’ll score 4

It's cute until you concede those two goals and scoring just one talkless of 4 becomes an issue

I think Mourinho is/was a pragmatic coach. The reason why his teams scored many goals especially during the Chelsea era was due to the superior attacking talent he had plus I guess as a younger coach he wasn't averse to taking risk. I think the first el clasico were pep's barcelona thrashed his team affected his psyche that never again will he allow himself to be beaten senseless by playing open football so he retreated to playing hyper defensive safe football.

With Chelsea too the second time round he was playing good attacking soccer until Spurs showed him pepper at white hart lane. That I has made him double down that he will always go conservative against better teams but unfortunately for him the better teams are getting adept at beating park the bus teams.

Mujtahida:

I think that Mourinho played attacking football but gradually became defensive minded. Not that he's not been mindful of good defense play but that aspect seems to dominate how he sets his team up. He popularized the concept of 'parking the bus'.

But I agree with you that it's not apt to describe Mourinho as conservative but if e no change, when he's old he's likely not just to be conservative but ultra conservative like papi Rohr. For now he's defensive minded.

chrisooblog:
I think Mourinho is/was a pragmatic coach. The reason why his teams scored many goals especially during the Chelsea era was due to the superior attacking talent he had plus I guess as a younger coach he wasn't averse to taking risk. I think the first el clasico were pep's barcelona thrashed his team affected his psyche that never again will he allow himself to be beaten senseless by playing open football so he retreated to playing hyper defensive safe football.

With Chelsea too the second time round he was playing good attacking soccer until Spurs showed him pepper at white hart lane. That I has made him double down that he will always go conservative against better teams but unfortunately for him the better teams are getting adept at beating park the bus teams.

Another apt word: pragmatic