A MUSLIM BELIEVES THAT MOHAMMED IS A PROPHET OF ALLAH.

A MOSLEM KNOWS THAT MOSES IS "THE BOOK" NAME FOR MOHAMMED

ISLAM MEANS "WORSHIP GOD"

CHRISTIANITY ALSO MEANS "WORSHIP GOD" AS IN REVELATION CHAPTER 22.#

A MUSLIM BELIEVES THAT MOHAMMED IS A PROPHET OF ALLAH.

A MOSLEM KNOWS THAT MOSES IS "THE BOOK" NAME FOR MOHAMMED

ISLAM MEANS "WORSHIP GOD"

CHRISTIANITY ALSO MEANS "WORSHIP GOD" AS IN REVELATION CHAPTER 22.

josh123:
Better to be an atheist than being a Muslim

That's Criticism not persecution.

ISLAMISTS THAT BELIEVE THAT ANOBI ISAH. THE SON OF MARYAM AND THE HOLY SON AS THE WAY, THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE WILL SURELY MAKE HEAVEN.

ISLAMISTS THAT BELIEVE THAT ANOBI ISAH. THE SON OF MARYAM AND THE HOLY SON AS THE WAY, THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE WILL SURELY MAKE HEAVEN. THAT'S A LECTURE AND A LESSON NOT A PERSECUTION.

Greenholics:
Hi W. sallam (hope i spelt that well), I have been an Atheist almost all my life but recently started reading the Quran (and some hadith) and i sincerely love it but there are alot of i cant wrap my head around.

Are they muslims here that can maybe help me and others like me ask questions we are ot clear about, have peaceful conversations (no fight, insult or any form of negativity) lets just share ideas and understand of the Quran (history and science) with each other and help our faith grow.


Who is a true muslim? What are the attributes of a true Muslim.

I MUST CONGRATULATE YOU FOR HAVING THE COURAGE TO LEARN ABOUT ISLAM BY READING FROM THE HOLY BOOK OF ISLAM AND NOT FROM THE ATTITUDES OF SOME MUSLIMS OR ISLAMOPHOBES.

LET ME REPEAT SOME FUNDAMENTALS ABOUT ISLAM WHICH I'M SURE YOU ALREADY KNOW ABOUT.

ISLAM BELIEVES GOD EXISTS AS THE SOLE CREATOR AND OWNER OF THE UNIVERSE WITHOUT PARTNER OR CO-EQUAL.

THE NAME FOR THIS ALMIGHTY AND ALL-POWERFUL GOD IN ISLAM IS ALLAH.

HIS PURPOSE FOR CREATION IS TEST AND WORSHIP SO THAT ON THE LAST DAY, JUDGEMENT WILL BE GIVEN AS DESERVED.

FOR THIS PURPOSE, HE HAS SENT MESSENGERS/PROPHETS IN SERIES THAT MANKIND MAY BE REMINDED OF HIS PURPOSE AND NOT STRAY.

THE LAST TWO OF THESE PROPHETS WERE JESUS AND MUHAMMAD (peace br upon them).

FEEL FREE TO ASK ANY QUESTION ON ISLAM YOU NEED CLARIFICATIONS ABOUT.

motayoayinde:


I MUST CONGRATULATE YOU FOR HAVING THE COURAGE TO LEARN ABOUT ISLAM BY READING FROM THE HOLY BOOK OF ISLAM AND NOT FROM THE ATTITUDES OF SOME MUSLIMS OR ISLAMOPHOBES.

LET ME REPEAT SOME FUNDAMENTALS ABOUT ISLAM WHICH I'M SURE YOU ALREADY KNOW ABOUT.

ISLAM BELIEVES GOD EXISTS AS THE SOLE CREATOR AND OWNER OF THE UNIVERSE WITHOUT PARTNER OR CO-EQUAL.

THE NAME FOR THIS ALMIGHTY AND ALL-POWERFUL GOD IN ISLAM IS ALLAH.

HIS PURPOSE FOR CREATION IS TEST AND WORSHIP SO THAT ON THE LAST DAY, JUDGEMENT WILL BE GIVEN AS DESERVED.

FOR THIS PURPOSE, HE HAS SENT MESSENGERS/PROPHETS IN SERIES THAT MANKIND MAY BE REMINDED OF HIS PURPOSE AND NOT STRAY.

THE LAST TWO OF THESE PROPHETS WERE JESUS AND MUHAMMAD (peace br upon them).

FEEL FREE TO ASK ANY QUESTION ON ISLAM YOU NEED CLARIFICATIONS ABOUT.

Thanks for this i appreciate alot, ok..... who is a true Muslim? Or attributes of a true muslim

MaxInDHouse:


People that want to prove the love they have for others will surely go further than ordinarily saying "i love everyone"
The first step is to study the people around you, then find those who have the same mindset as you and discuss on what each of you need to do, then it's time to map out the plan to help others who don't have the same mindset.
Let me show you how i am doing it, what we've done as a group so far and the result throughout the world.
I was a Muslim, i want to love my neighbours all around but the group i belong only preach what is in their book, they don't make any effort to meet with individuals at least to know what each person have in mind.It's just talking with the megaphone and saying what their religion says, that's what every other religion does.
So i was searching for a group that will understands but all the religions are following the same line.
Then a group came to my street shared themselves in twos and started going to meet people in their homes to speak with them one on one. I used the opportunity to pour out my grievances towards all the religions and their so called Holy books. But i was shocked that this group is not the usual religion with the common trend, their way is totally different from all the religions i knew!
So i wanted to know more, that's when i realized that this is the group practicing what i've been dreaming all these years.
They're bringing consoling messages to people about how God will destroy all evidoers and what we need to do to prove ourselves spotless from the world.
They have gathered over 8,000,000 people throughout the world, erased RACISM and POLITICS from their hearts so none of their members will ever support the killings going on in the world due to politics, they have formed one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers globally. Due to their messages i can travel to any country on this planet and feel at home in the home of those who share the same line of thought with me even when we've never met before!

I now wonder if this is what all the religions on this planet are doing the same, are we going to need burglaries anymore?

Oh ok now i get the misunderstanding, actually i was not trying to prove to anyone that i love everyone, i "said" i love everyone because Someone asked a question regarding why i am rolling with muslims and if you read that post i made i concluded by saying i have family and friends in the 3 main religion practise in Nigeria, so i was not trying to manipulate anyone to think i am a good person.... and that is how i feeĺ and how i see things.



In as much as i dont want to argue or talk about perfect or imperfect religion, but you sound very much enlightened and civil so lets have a discus.


Here is the part i dont get, so u mean you love humans and wanted to put that love to actions, then you join a good and awesome set of people, which is a good thing to do! I respect you alot for that but you ended up in a circle that makes you give and receive love from people of same circle or belief system as you.....

I cant say i love humanity but only show lobe to my brother, that is confusing to me you entered a group that made you love only or mainly persons from that same group..... i dont understand that part, how is this new group of yours different from the previous group mentioned that talk with megaphone and preaches love but concerned solely about themselves?


To understanding is if i love everyone, that love should truly be for everyone! not just for a set that loves me back.

Ok let me use this to put things into perspectives for us, like you asked how do i prove my love, I studied a course in the university and drom the da i hraduated till date i havent made 1 naira from what u studied in school, when i am free! As a result i had to statt dojng other businesses top earn a living, i offer that skill of mine for free, i dont care if its an ibo or a yoruba man that i am helping..... i dont even care if he does not like my face. I just want to help without expecting anything in return (not even love back) because before religion came to divide us, you are brother and my sisters.




Let me ask a question sir, according to the holy book you read and believe, did that book ask you to love just people with same beliefs as yours or did the book ask you to love your neighbour(anyone and everyone around you) ?


Also according to this faith you practise, if you decied to leave that group,how will the person within the group related with you, what are the laid down rule on how they handle such issues(you can choose not to answer this if u are not cool with it)

orisa37:
ISLAMISTS THAT BELIEVE THAT ANOBI ISAH. THE SON OF MARYAM AND THE HOLY SON AS THE WAY, THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE WILL SURELY MAKE HEAVEN. THAT'S A LECTURE AND A LESSON NOT A PERSECUTION.

Can you back this up with a proof? And maybe you should rethink the username u using.... i practsie ifa and our orisa expert us to read, understand before passing a judgement.

Attentions please leta stop derailing from the topic, thia is an Islamic space and mutual respect is very important, where we can ask questions and our muslim brothers they reply and cut off any misconceptions.

We are not here to fight, argue and spill hatred....

Greenholics:



Can you back this up with a proof? And maybe you should rethink the username u using.... i practsie ifa and our orisa expert us to read, understand before passing a judgement.

IFA OF OLODUMARE TEACHES US NOT TO JUDGE OTHERS BUT YOU CAN CORRECT. CORRECTION IS A LESSON FROM ABOVE. JUDGEMENT IS A PERSECUTION.

LATE SHEIK GUMI REPENTED. BEFORE HE FINALLY DIED, HE RECEIVED ANOBI ISAH. HE IS IN HEAVEN IJN.

HIS SON, THE CURRENT SHEIK GUMI IS EXPLOITING AND JUDGING EVERY SITUATION.THIS IS A CORRECTION NOT A PERSECUTION.

Greenholics:



Thanks for this i appreciate alot, ok..... who is a true Muslim? Or attributes of a true muslim

First of Allah means God in Arabic.

Muslim by difinition means submission to the will of God and the will of God is to worship him alone and not associate any partner with him if you truly look at the message of previous prophets before muhammad it was the same.

Allah SWT said:

"And I did not create the jinn and mankind except to worship Me."
(QS. Adh-Dhaariyat 51: Verse 56)

To be regarded as a true Muslim one has to fulfill all the 5 pillars of Islam

1. Shahadah: Beleive that there is no other god except God (Allah) and prophet Muhammad was a messenger of God

2. Salat: Prayer

3. Fasting in the month of Ramadan

4. Zakat: Giving alms to poor

5. Hajj: Making pilgrimage to mecca for those who have the capacity to go


Also Avoidance of sin

Allah SWT said:

"Say, Come, I will recite what your Lord has prohibited to you. [He commands] that you not associate anything with Him, and to parents, good treatment, and do not kill your children out of poverty; We will provide for you and them. And do not approach immoralities - what is apparent of them and what is concealed. And do not kill the soul which Allah has forbidden [to be killed] except by [legal] right. This has He instructed you that you may use reason."
(QS. Al-An'aam 6: Verse 151)




Beleive in all the Messengers of God without excluding even one of them

Allah SWT said:

"Say, We have believed in Allah and in what was revealed to us and what was revealed to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, and the Descendants, and in what was given to Moses and Jesus and to the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and we are Muslims [submitting] to Him."
(QS. Aal-i-Imraan 3: Verse 84)

Greenholics:

Oh ok now i get the misunderstanding, actually i was not trying to prove to anyone that i love everyone, i "said" i love everyone because Someone asked a question regarding why i am rolling with muslims and if you read that post i made i concluded by saying i have family and friends in the 3 main religion practise in Nigeria, so i was not trying to manipulate anyone to think i am a good person.... and that is how i feeĺ and how i see things.
In as much as i dont want to argue or talk about perfect or imperfect religion, but you sound very much enlightened and civil so lets have a discus.
Here is the part i dont get, so u mean you love humans and wanted to put that love to actions, then you join a good and awesome set of people, which is a good thing to do! I respect you alot for that but you ended up in a circle that makes you give and receive love from people of same circle or belief system as you.....
I cant say i love humanity but only show lobe to my brother, that is confusing to me you entered a group that made you love only or mainly persons from that same group..... i dont understand that part, how is this new group of yours different from the previous group mentioned that talk with megaphone and preaches love but concerned solely about themselves?
To understanding is if i love everyone, that love should truly be for everyone! not just for a set that loves me back.

Ok let me use this to put things into perspectives for us, like you asked how do i prove my love, I studied a course in the university and drom the da i hraduated till date i havent made 1 naira from what u studied in school, when i am free! As a result i had to statt dojng other businesses top earn a living, i offer that skill of mine for free, i dont care if its an ibo or a yoruba man that i am helping..... i dont even care if he does not like my face. I just want to help without expecting anything in return (not even love back) because before religion came to divide us, you are brother and my sisters.
Let me ask a question sir, according to the holy book you read and believe, did that book ask you to love just people with same beliefs as yours or did the book ask you to love your neighbour(anyone and everyone around you) ?

Charity begins at home but it doesn't end there!
According to my faith i must love everyone as i love myself, this means whatever i know i will not tolerate i shouldn't do to others around me. So if i don't want anyone to steal my things i mustn't steal what belongs to others.
Most people often say that's what they believe too but what if you found a bag full of money along your way what should you do since you want to treat others as you'll love to be treated? My faith says "leave that bag their or take it to the authorities and make sure it is returned to the owner" in that way you're laying a good example that if you mistakenly lost something you can just retrace your steps and find it exactly where it fell from you or where you forgot it. Whoever picked it and will not give you the opportunity to regain it doesn't love his neighbour like himself!

Greenholics:

Also according to this faith you practise, if you decied to leave that group,how will the person within the group related with you, what are the laid down rule on how they handle such issues(you can choose not to answer this if u are not cool with it)

"We must love those who have this same line of thought just as the teacher who taught this thing love those who accepted the teaching'
Meaning we must treat our fellow believers like our own blood. No more as we love ourselves but be prepared to die for them if the need be.
But when someone who has known this choose to say goodbye then such a person is leaving everything we know behind definitely such a person shouldn't be treated as our family anymore because he/she is no longer our family in the same line of thought.
Such a person is worse than those who never tasted the good thing so we will treat him or her like a total stranger!

For instance, we are living in Nigeria so under normal conditions we should be treated as Nigerians, but when someone says the "Nigerian system is not OK for him" nobody can force him to stay. So such a person is free to move to another country and there he will continue to claim the right of citizenship when he's meeting up with their requirements.

What about a person who hates Nigeria and going everywhere saying bad things about Nigeria? Everything done here seems stupid to him and the citizens he views as idiots. Do you expect such a person to be treated the same way Nigerians who are prepared to give all their support to the nation? Surely not!

Many people have left our organization and they are going about saying bad things about our group, they even want others to leave the group because they feel what we are doing doesn't make any sense. Yet they want to be treated the same way we treat those who are still giving their support to the organization.
Is it reasonable to continue treating them like members simply because they were formerly with us? NO!
Since they have chosen to leave they can go and share whatever they have with anyone with whom they're comfortable but in our midst they are no longer cherished like members of our global family.
That's why many of them are agitating behind the spiritual walls of our organization saying bad things about us.

I

Greenholics:



Thanks for this i appreciate alot, ok..... who is a true Muslim? Or attributes of a true muslim

I TRUE MUSLIM BELIEVES GOD/ALLAH TO BR ABSOLUTELY ONE, WHO IS ALONE IN HIS DOMINION OF THE UNIVERSE AND WHO SHARES HIS KINGDOM WITH NONE.

A MUSLIM SURRENDERS HIS AFFAIRS COMPLETELY TO ALLAH BY FOLLOWING HIS COMMANDMENTS.

A MUSLIM BELIEVES IN THE OTHER PROPHETS SENT BY ALLAH AND THE BOOKS GIVEN TO THEM.

A MUSLIM BELIEVES THAT PROPHET MUHAMMAD WAS THE LAST OF GOD'S PROPHETS AND THE QUR'AN, HIS LAST REVELATION.

WHILE A MUSLIM BELIEVES IN THE DIVINE REVELATION OF EARLIER SCRIPTURES, HE BELIEVES THEY'VE BEEN TAMPERED WITH.

TO BE CONTD.

motayoayinde:
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I TRUE MUSLIM BELIEVES GOD/ALLAH TO BR ABSOLUTELY ONE, WHO IS ALONE IN HIS DOMINION OF THE UNIVERSE AND WHO SHARES HIS KINGDOM WITH NONE.

A MUSLIM SURRENDERS HIS AFFAIRS COMPLETELY TO ALLAH BY FOLLOWING HIS COMMANDMENTS.

A MUSLIM BELIEVES IN THE OTHER PROPHETS SENT BY ALLAH AND THE BOOKS GIVEN TO THEM.

A MUSLIM BELIEVES THAT PROPHET MUHAMMAD WAS THE LAST OF GOD'S PROPHETS AND THE QUR'AN, HIS LAST REVELATION.

WHILE A MUSLIM BELIEVES IN THE DIVINE REVELATION OF EARLIER SCRIPTURES, HE BELIEVES THEY'VE BEEN TAMPERED WITH.

TO BE CONTD.

Ok awesome, We do hear and say Islam is a religion if peace but in this nothing like that comes in nothing relating to a person character and how he is to intereact with his neighbour come in... anyway we will come to this.



I also get this misconception of using Islam and Muslim interchangeably, are all Islamic followers muslim ? Or what are the differences?

MaxInDHouse:

Charity begins at home but it doesn't end there!
According to my faith i must love everyone as i love myself, this means whatever i know i will not tolerate i shouldn't do to others around me. So if i don't want anyone to steal my things i mustn't steal what belongs to others.
Most people often say that's what they believe too but what if you found a bag full of money along your way what should you do since you want to treat others as you'll love to be treated? My faith says "leave that bag their or take it to the authorities and make sure it is returned to the owner" in that way you're laying a good example that if you mistakenly lost something you can just retrace your steps and find it exactly where it fell from you or where you forgot it. Whoever picked it and will not give you the opportunity to regain it doesn't love his neighbour like himself!



"We must love those who have this same line of thought just as the teacher who taught this thing love those who accepted the teaching'
Meaning we must treat our fellow believers like our own blood. No more as we love ourselves but be prepared to die for them if the need be.
But when someone who has known this choose to say goodbye then such a person is leaving everything we know behind definitely such a person shouldn't be treated as our family anymore because he/she is no longer our family in the same line of thought.
Such a person is worse than those who never tasted the good thing so we will treat him or her like a total stranger!

For instance, we are living in Nigeria so under normal conditions we should be treated as Nigerians, but when someone says the "Nigerian system is not OK for him" nobody can force him to stay. So such a person is free to move to another country and there he will continue to claim the right of citizenship when he's meeting up with their requirements.

What about a person who hates Nigeria and going everywhere saying bad things about Nigeria? Everything done here seems stupid to him and the citizens he views as idiots. Do you expect such a person to be treated the same way Nigerians who are prepared to give all their support to the nation? Surely not!

Many people have left our organization and they are going about saying bad things about our group, they even want others to leave the group because they feel what we are doing doesn't make any sense. Yet they want to be treated the same way we treat those who are still giving their support to the organization.
Is it reasonable to continue treating them like members simply because they were formerly with us? NO!
Since they have chosen to leave they can go and share whatever they have with anyone with whom they're comfortable but in our midst they are no longer cherished like members of our global family.
That's why many of them are agitating behind the spiritual walls of our organization saying bad things about us.

Hi thanks for this, its awesome i so much love the forst oart of yiur submission its a beautiful and awesome thing to do, treating people and situations how you want to be treated.



But the part i dont understand this, initially you stated why you left a set of people using megaphone and all they do and all they love are "thier" own people, and now this new set you found are doing the exact same thing of loving just the persons that have same beliefs? Its like both set has similarities in tguer belief system, can you please throw more light in this aspect, i dont get it.



So you telling me, if your child enter university or something then decides to leave that sect, you will treat your child as a total stranger? I dont want to believe this is what you meant but is it?



To me and how i understand life, any love that is tied to a condition is not true.... you know how some ladies will only love men that are well to do and can take care of them, but if the money stops the love stops as well.


I practice Ifa (which we call Africa tradition) and Ifa teaches us to love all, not just humans even animals and to the waters and the mountain we should love them all.



But in all, if that is what you believe and practice, its ok as well..... i wish you all the happiness, peace and love you wish yourself.

haekymbahd:
First of Allah means God in Arabic.

Muslim by difinition means submission to the will of God and the will of God is to worship him alone and not associate any partner with him if you truly look at the message of previous prophets before muhammad it was the same.

Allah SWT said:

"And I did not create the jinn and mankind except to worship Me."
(QS. Adh-Dhaariyat 51: Verse 56)

To be regarded as a true Muslim one has to fulfill all the 5 pillars of Islam

1. Shahadah: Beleive that there is no other god except God (Allah) and prophet Muhammad was a messenger of God

2. Salat: Prayer

3. Fasting in the month of Ramadan

4. Zakat: Giving alms to poor

5. Hajj: Making pilgrimage to mecca for those who have the capacity to go


Also Avoidance of sin

Allah SWT said:

"Say, Come, I will recite what your Lord has prohibited to you. [He commands] that you not associate anything with Him, and to parents, good treatment, and do not kill your children out of poverty; We will provide for you and them. And do not approach immoralities - what is apparent of them and what is concealed. And do not kill the soul which Allah has forbidden [to be killed] except by [legal] right. This has He instructed you that you may use reason."
(QS. Al-An'aam 6: Verse 151)




Beleive in all the Messengers of God without excluding even one of them

Allah SWT said:

"Say, We have believed in Allah and in what was revealed to us and what was revealed to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, and the Descendants, and in what was given to Moses and Jesus and to the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and we are Muslims [submitting] to Him."
(QS. Aal-i-Imraan 3: Verse 84)

Awesome..... thanks for yiur reply.


Does islam and Muslim mean same thing?

Greenholics:



Thanks for this i appreciate alot, ok..... who is a true Muslim? Or attributes of a true muslim

haekymbahd ADDED SOME VITAL INFORMATION TO THOSE ALREADY GIVEN ON THIS (,May Allah reward him)

I'LL GIVE A FEW MORE:

A MUSLIM IS A DECENT PERSON IN ALL ASPECTS OF LIFE. BECAUSE DECENCY IN PRIVATE AND IN PUBLIC IS A CORE VALUE OF THE ISLAMIC FAITH.

WHAT THIS MEANS IS THAT HE'S HONEST, TRUTHFUL IN SPEECH, SELFLESS, GENEROUS AND CHASTE.

orisa37:



IFA OF OLODUMARE TEACHES US NOT TO JUDGE OTHERS BUT YOU CAN CORRECT. CORRECTION IS A LESSON FROM ABOVE. JUDGEMENT IS A PERSECUTION.

LATE SHEIK GUMI REPENTED. BEFORE HE FINALLY DIED, HE RECEIVED ANOBI ISAH. HE IS IN HEAVEN IJN.

HIS SON, THE CURRENT SHEIK GUMI IS EXPLOITING AND JUDGING EVERY SITUATION.THIS IS A CORRECTION NOT A PERSECUTION.

Lol you are trying to merge 2 things as equal, not knowing one is a giant and the other is an atom.... and you still didnt the proof, or maybe you coukd probide proof to this sheikh Gumi claims you just made, this is 2021 sentiment and hearsay dont work anymore.


Lastly you too the word "judgement" out of context in a bid to sound smart, forget that Judgement i used meant to "form an opinion about a thing" ......

motayoayinde:


haehymbahd ADDED SOME VITAL INFORMATION TO THOSE ALREADY GIVEN ON THIS (,May Allah reward him)

I'LL GIVE A FEW MORE:

A MUSLIM IS A DECENT PERSON IN ALL ASPECTS OF LIFE. BECAUSE DECENCY IN PRIVATE AND IN PUBLIC IS A CORE VALUE OF THE ISLAMIC FAITH.

WHAT THIS MEANS IS THAT HE'S HONEST, TRUTHFUL IN SPEECH, SELFLESS, GENEROUS AND CHASTE.

Ok awesome, awesome, awesome.

Greenholics:




Awesome..... thanks for yiur reply.


Does islam and Muslim mean same thing?

Islam and Muslim does not mean the same thing


A Muslim is one who submits to the will of God hence we regard all prophets inluding Abraham, Moses, Jesus, Muhammad e.t.c as Muslims even though they did not follow the religion of Islam because Muhammad was the last prophet whom it was given to was the last prophet. They all submitted to the will of God.

Each prophet had his own law/message given to him to pass to mankind before they deviated from the true teaching.

Follower of Moses named their religion Judaism, while followers of Jesus called their Religion christianity whereas none of both messenger gave those name to it's followers.

To Allah the true and genuine followers of Jesus and Moses are also Muslims.


The Religion given to Muhammad is called Islam while it's followers are called Muslims.

Even though followers of Muhammad are called Muslims (Submitter to the will of God). One has to be a Muslim by heart (Following the commandment/rules) and not just by mouth (not following the commandments)

Meaning A true Muslim is one who follows the commandments of Allah while a False Muslims is one who disobeys the commandments but present himself as a muslim.

Allah SWT said:

"Mankind was [of] one religion [before their deviation]; then Allah sent the prophets as bringers of good tidings and warners and sent down with them the Scripture in truth to judge between the people concerning that in which they differed. And none differed over the Scripture except those who were given it - after the clear proofs came to them - out of jealous animosity among themselves. And Allah guided those who believed to the truth concerning that over which they had differed, by His permission. And Allah guides whom He wills to a straight path."
(QS. Al-Baqara 2: Verse 213)

"O you who have believed, enter into Islam completely [and perfectly] and do not follow the footsteps of Satan. Indeed, he is to you a clear enemy."
(QS. Al-Baqara 2: Verse 208)

"Indeed, the religion in the sight of Allah is Islam. And those who were given the Scripture did not differ except after knowledge had come to them - out of jealous animosity between themselves. And whoever disbelieves in the verses of Allah, then indeed, Allah is swift in [taking] account."
(QS. Aal-i-Imraan 3: Verse 19)


From the begining at the time of Abraham the religion had no particular name. The Jews named their religion Judaism without order from God or Moses, Christians also did the same by calling theirs several names due to differing views Nazarenes, Christians also without order of Jesus nor God. Due to the people of the scripture segregating themselves from each other (Jews and Christians). Allah sent the last prophet and named the religion by himself as Islam



Summary: Muslim is a Submitter to the will of God and not necessarily a follower of Muhammad (Jesus, Abraham, Moses were Muslims)


Islam: The religion given to the last prophet (Muhammad) whosoever follows his teaching and law are regarded as muslims (Submitter to the will of God)

Greenholics:

Hi thanks for this, its awesome i so much love the forst oart of yiur submission its a beautiful and awesome thing to do, treating people and situations how you want to be treated.

But the part i dont understand this, initially you stated why you left a set of people using megaphone and all they do and all they love are "thier" own people, and now this new set you found are doing the exact same thing of loving just the persons that have same beliefs? Its like both set has similarities in tguer belief system, can you please throw more light in this aspect, i dont get it.
So you telling me, if your child enter university or something then decides to leave that sect, you will treat your child as a total stranger? I dont want to believe this is what you meant but is it?
To me and how i understand life, any love that is tied to a condition is not true.... you know how some ladies will only love men that are well to do and can take care of them, but if the money stops the love stops as well.
I practice Ifa (which we call Africa tradition) and Ifa teaches us to love all, not just humans even animals and to the waters and the mountain we should love them all.
But in all, if that is what you believe and practice, its ok as well..... i wish you all the happiness, peace and love you wish yourself.

You missed the highlighted!

There's no religion that love their fellow believers talkless neighbours apart from Jehovah's Witnesses.
Love is not when you go about giving alms to beggars in your streets, if you truly wish someone well you should put him in position of your blood brother. Who will be comfortable seeing his own brother or sister sitting beside the road and begging for money then walk straight to him/her to give yours?
Of course your aim will be to get him/her off that place by getting him/her something to do to earn a living and forgo begging.
Jehovah's Witnesses love and care for neighbours but our love for fellow believers surpasses that of neighbour that's what i'm saying. There's no religion having such love for fellow believers, each person is after his/her own life unlike Jehovah's Witnesses who must find ways to get to know the needs of our fellow believer and do everything within our power to assist them.
For your information, you can never see a beggar in any part of this planet that's a member of Jehovah's Witnesses! Psalms 23:1

Greenholics

In all of The above, THE NATIONAL ASSEMBLIES SHOULD CORRECT THE ILLS OF NIGERIA.

Your religion on and on always go along been dogmatic as usual always by your crook mind that satan allotted to you freely, it is not difficult for you to find deceptive and misleading evidence even though you have gotten the truth. Israel where prophet Issa (pbh) was born know the true about the Christian as a religion. The Gospel had been change completely to suit and protect the Devil and his Cohort like you ego. See abeg continue

Greenholics:
Hi W. sallam (hope i spelt that well), I have been an Atheist almost all my life but recently started reading the Quran (and some hadith) and i sincerely love it but there are alot of i cant wrap my head around.

Are they muslims here that can maybe help me and others like me ask questions we are ot clear about, have peaceful conversations (no fight, insult or any form of negativity) lets just share ideas and understand of the Quran (history and science) with each other and help our faith grow.


Who is a true muslim? What are the attributes of a true Muslim.

The Mujahideens

MaxInDHouse:


You missed the highlighted!

There's no religion that love their fellow believers talkless neighbours apart from Jehovah's Witnesses.
Love is not when you go about giving alms to beggars in your streets, if you truly wish someone well you should put him in position of your blood brother. Who will be comfortable seeing his own brother or sister sitting beside the road and begging for money then walk straight to him/her to give yours?
Of course your aim will be to get him/her off that place by getting him/her something to do to earn a living and forgo begging.
Jehovah's Witnesses love and care for neighbours but our love for fellow believers surpasses that of neighbour that's what i'm saying. There's no religion having such love for fellow believers, each person is after his/her own life unlike Jehovah's Witnesses who must find ways to get to know the needs of our fellow believer and do everything within our power to assist them.
For your information, you can never see a beggar in any part of this planet that's a member of Jehovah's Witnesses! Psalms 23:1

Let me quickly address this before we move on, seems you love this armed robber and burglary illustration, let me address that briefly.......have you met a person that told you he robs for a living? I bet no! But they are people robbing other daily right? So u really don't know if the robbers are Christians, muslims or from your set.... now when you go for your kingdom hall national or international convention (i have been to 1 in Edo state very beautiful piece of land at Ewu) people personal stuff gets missing in such conversion too....... so what am i tryjng to say, people don't steal because they hate you, 90% of the time stealing is tied to poverty or lack(not making excuses for them) but i think its a falacy to use that, in judge how much love we have for each other, because even in your set that love each other so much, sometimes people stuff still get missing.


Even among Jw they are poor people, Jw international have enough money to make every Jweee person on the world a million, lets not go in that part, alm giving to the poor is also a mean to show love and its in your bible, i have a friend in lagos born and breed Jw she is not educate, do you know what she does? She works for a beauty shop and fixes eye lashes. But i know people that own schools in her kingdom hall, they told her not to go to school that she will be corrupted and she should wait for the wisdom of God... so dont go there sir! I have done an extensice study on watch tower from when and where it started, and i tell u this for free its a multi billion dollar foundation, if you want us to really talk About Jw.... you can come on club house download the app on your phone, or make a post about that and i will come engage you with fact and figures, i am not going to fight you or your religion but dont come with false information please and beside this is islam related discussion post,lets not derail.



B4 i go....1 last thing............

There is no religion that loves thier people? Is this a fact, if it is can maybe prove it. Can you name a thing you guys have done and implement world wide to help all Jw member? For example i know churches that owns free helalth center for women and children, i also know church that built schools for various communities, i have also seen skme of our islamic brother come together to gge back not just to the community.... If i have to love only the people in my religion then its not true love, do you know When Jesus was on earth he wasn't a Christian? The religion he practised was Judaism (dont take my world for it ho look it up) that is to say if you and Jesus lives on the same street, you will probably not treat him like a brother.




I have been a Christian, i have been a muslim i studied Judaism extensively and now i pravtise Ifa and i can tell you for free all these religion love themselves ..... for example if muslim man lies to his brother its regarded as a grave sin woth serious consequences, the headquarters of my businesses is located in Abuja my manager is a muslim do you know the kind of doors that has open for the business already? (Let me not go into that) ....Just because he is a Muslim fellow Muslim will do everything to make sure he ok... thats love sir.




We are eductaed people let us not lets not dive into the temptation of turning a sentiment statement to universal truth, if i cant love my brother because he decides to be of another religion or faith them that is not true love. That is a cage, its a cult! Even Jesus walled vissted and ate with "sinner" .... until you realize there is a different betwen religion and spirituality, you will keep falling for any doctrine...... and God hate religion (its in ur bible)




Let me tell u what true love is, i didnt understand this understand my daughter was born , if the love is not unconditionally then its not pure (not my words its in your bible) when i held my daughter in my arms for the first time, i felt true love! Unconditional true love, tied to nothing but love its self like there is nothing she can or will do that will make he hate her.Let me show you how i am doing it, what we've done as a group so far and the result throughout the world.


Or should i tell u how many kids and women i have watch die because your set refuse blood transfusion? Or you dont know of the blood transfusion issues? If you love yours you will not let then die over blood transfusion but when we give you guys antibiotics you will take not knowing antibiotics is blood as well (if you doubt me go look it up) ...... if your bible or God told you not to take blood transfusion then its only right he will come heal them right? But nope! They didnt get healed and i have to watch them die.

Greenholics:

Let me quickly address this before we move on, seems you love this armed robber and burglary illustration, let me address that briefly.......have you met a person that told you he robs for a living? I bet no! But they are people robbing other daily right? So u really don't know if the robbers are Christians, muslims or from your set.... now when you go for your kingdom hall national or international convention (i have been to 1 in Edo state very beautiful piece of land at Ewu) people personal stuff gets missing in such conversion too....... so what am i tryjng to say, people don't steal because they hate you, 90% of the time stealing is tied to poverty or lack(not making excuses for them) but i think its a falacy to use that, in judge how much love we have for each other, because even in your set that love each other so much, sometimes people stuff still get missing.

You've solve the riddle here yourself!
You were at the convention (invited) and you're not one of us, so there are many who are not JWs there!

Greenholics:

Even among Jw they are poor people, Jw international have enough money to make every Jweee person on the world a million, lets not go in that part, alm giving to the poor is also a mean to show love and its in your bible, i have a friend in lagos born and breed Jw she is not educate, do you know what she does? She works for a beauty shop and fixes eye lashes. But i know people that own schools in her kingdom hall, they told her not to go to school that she will be corrupted and she should wait for the wisdom of God... so dont go there sir! I have done an extensice study on watch tower from when and where it started, and i tell u this for free its a multi billion dollar foundation, if you want us to really talk About Jw.... you can come on club house download the app on your phone, or make a post about that and i will come engage you with fact and figures, i am not going to fight you or your religion but dont come with false information please and beside this is islam related discussion post,lets not derail.

You missed the point here!
In Israel there were rich as well as poor people but there is no street beggar who is a servant of God {Psalms 23:1; 37:25} so we have billionaires families as well as poor families too but you can never find any JW begging in the streets, it simply means we are ever contented with whatever we have be it little or much. The organization is not kicking against tertiary institution but what the organization is telling us not to rely on it as a means of making ends meet. Many have been there with good grades but end up ridding okada. Due to disappointment after spending a lot of money and time in the universities many were frustrated and that's why we have more criminals in the society today. Had it been they depended on trades or crafts that will never loose it's value they will not have ended up in disappointment.

Greenholics:

B4 i go....1 last thing............
There is no religion that loves thier people? Is this a fact, if it is can maybe prove it. Can you name a thing you guys have done and implement world wide to help all Jw member? For example i know churches that owns free helalth center for women and children, i also know church that built schools for various communities, i have also seen skme of our islamic brother come together to gge back not just to the community.... If i have to love only the people in my religion then its not true love, do you know When Jesus was on earth he wasn't a Christian? The religion he practised was Judaism (dont take my world for it ho look it up) that is to say if you and Jesus lives on the same street, you will probably not treat him like a brother. I have been a Christian, i have been a muslim i studied Judaism extensively and now i pravtise Ifa and i can tell you for free all these religion love themselves ..... for example if muslim man lies to his brother its regarded as a grave sin woth serious consequences, the headquarters of my businesses is located in Abuja my manager is a muslim do you know the kind of doors that has open for the business already? (Let me not go into that) ....Just because he is a Muslim fellow Muslim will do everything to make sure he ok... thats love sir.
We are eductaed people let us not lets not dive into the temptation of turning a sentiment statement to universal truth, if i cant love my brother because he decides to be of another religion or faith them that is not true love. That is a cage, its a cult! Even Jesus walled vissted and ate with "sinner" .... until you realize there is a different betwen religion and spirituality, you will keep falling for any doctrine...... and God hate religion (its in ur bible) Let me tell u what true love is, i didnt understand this understand my daughter was born , if the love is not unconditionally then its not pure (not my words its in your bible) when i held my daughter in my arms for the first time, i felt true love! Unconditional true love, tied to nothing but love its self like there is nothing she can or will do that will make he hate her.Let me show you how i am doing it, what we've done as a group so far and the result throughout the world. Or should i tell u how many kids and women i have watch die because your set refuse blood transfusion? Or you dont know of the blood transfusion issues? If you love yours you will not let then die over blood transfusion but when we give you guys antibiotics you will take not knowing antibiotics is blood as well (if you doubt me go look it up) ...... if your bible or God told you not to take blood transfusion then its only right he will come heal them right? But nope! They didnt get healed and i have to watch them die.

I love this so much!
Love is not what you give people when they're suffering but what you do to prevent suffering in the society! The same people building schools and hospitals are the ones that's making it difficult for people to get good jobs and creating things that's causing sickness.
For instance, where did they get the billions they're using for their philanthropic exercises?
Is it not by stealing from the poor?
Well let tell you how true LOVE works then compare to what people are practicing out there.
LOVE is when you take the initiative to prevent the evil instead of allowing the evil or even being part of it's cause then hypocritically showing yourself as one who wants to help.
JWs taught us to speak with our neighbours on the things causing poverty, strife, jealousy and hatred in the society. By so doing many will cut their coat according to their size as in living within their means not thinking of becoming billionaires overnight. This are the things leading to trouble if everyone is a JW there will be no reason for sicknesses because JWs believe that when you're dirty you have nothing to do with our God so we keep our surroundings clean and neat always. But in the society we live today picking up cleaning tools is a taboo to the billionaire. Come to our gathering and see how cleaning tools are distributed to everyone so that each person takes part in the cleaning both young and old rich and poor. This is because we strongly believe that in Paradise there will not be injustice or inequality so nobody will clean your surroundings for you when they don't need anything from you neither can you be richer than them. Therefore whoever refuse to participate in such cleaning now will not enter the kingdom of our God!

Do you now see the difference?

josh123:
they are blind, they Can't see the truth when its in front of them

You are a fool for talking down on other religion. Sell your religion without talking other religion down.

MufasaLion:


You are a fool for talking down on other religion. Sell your religion without talking other religion down.

Fucck off my mention mudafucker!!!

MaxInDHouse:

You've solve the riddle here yourself!
You were at the convention (invited) and you're not one of us, so there are many who are not JWs there!

You missed the point here!
In Israel there were rich as well as poor people but there is no street beggar who is a servant of God {Psalms 23:1; 37:25} so we have billionaires families as well as poor families too but you can never find any JW begging in the streets, it simply means we are ever contented with whatever we have be it little or much. The organization is not kicking against tertiary institution but what the organization is telling us not to rely on it as a means of making ends meet. Many have been there with good grades but end up ridding okada. Due to disappointment after spending a lot of money and time in the universities many were frustrated and that's why we have more criminals in the society today. Had it been they depended on trades or crafts that will never loose it's value they will not have ended up in disappointment.

I love this so much!
Love is not what you give people when they're suffering but what you do to prevent suffering in the society! The same people building schools and hospitals are the ones that's making it difficult for people to get good jobs and creating things that's causing sickness.
For instance, where did they get the billions they're using for their philanthropic exercises?
Is it not by stealing from the poor?
Well let tell you how true LOVE works then compare to what people are practicing out there.
LOVE is when you take the initiative to prevent the evil instead of allowing the evil or even being part of it's cause then hypocritically showing yourself as one who wants to help.
JWs taught us to speak with our neighbours on the things causing poverty, strife, jealousy and hatred in the society. By so doing many will cut their coat according to their size as in living within their means not thinking of becoming billionaires overnight. This are the things leading to trouble if everyone is a JW there will be no reason for sicknesses because JWs believe that when you're dirty you have nothing to do with our God so we keep our surroundings clean and neat always. But in the society we live today picking up cleaning tools is a taboo to the billionaire. Come to our gathering and see how cleaning tools are distributed to everyone so that each person takes part in the cleaning both young and old rich and poor. This is because we strongly believe that in Paradise there will not be injustice or inequality so nobody will clean your surroundings for you when they don't need anything from you neither can you be richer than them. Therefore whoever refuse to participate in such cleaning now will not enter the kingdom of our God!

Do you now see the difference?

Thus you dont know who stole the stuff, it might even your most dedicated members, I know perosnally of Jw faithful that does runs, as a matter of fact when i attended Jw program i was to marry one and i dont want to go into th not so upright part i had to deal with, so my brother dont come here to paint it like everyone is evil except JW, they are good and bad people and its perculiar to one set or race, its a fallacy and it is not what a spiritually enlightened person should say.




You see, try as much as possible to remove sentiment from fact, did you do an head count and investigation that shows no Jw faithfuls are beggers come on! They are beggers in isreal, same way they are beggers in Rome and in UAE, but that does not in any way or form put a limit on what God can do......
You know these are stuff they tell you guys and it lacks verifiable foundations, and lets get our head on the right side, even if even if we all have billions of dollars, if there is no love that money is nothing, when love is missing, it turn a religion into a cult.
And you see these begger issues, its only a gospel that can only be pushed in the poor side of Africa, in a civilised world where billionaire use train and public amenities how do you want to use "no begger in Jw" as a prove that there is love manifestingbat its finest in the kingdom hall, come on we have to get the poverty mentality off your mind sir.





Judging by your last paragraph every body doing good and giving back to the community got thier wealth through an evil means? It is funny you said that because few paragraphs ago you just bragged that no begger in your set and you guys support each other does that mean you are getting your wealth from an evil means ?

Ok check this " In 2016, three more properties valued at an estimated $850 million to $1 billion—including the headquarters building—were put up for sale. The WatchTower Society reached a deal to sell the headquarters at Columbia Heights for $700 million" (from wikipedia you can go look it up)

Is this from an evil source too? Does it mean the watch tower got this money by putting people in hardship?
Also get this part, the fact that a person is a financially doing well does not mean he is the cause of all the evil happening, not all wealth people are evil.


Its funny you still havent replied what i asked, so you will treat your kids and parents like strangers because they visited a catholic church or took blood transfusion or maybe decided not to be a memberof JW? I really want yiur reply on this.



Ok you said love is when you prevent a thing from happening rather then fixing it when it happens but you forget some issues are laced in the fabric of society even before you and I come to this world.
For example if i give food to an homeless person, then i dont love him because some 40year ago he made a wrong financial decision (that kind of put him in a bad situation ) now) so are you saying i dont love the person in question because i didnt stop him from making the wrong decision?(not minding the fact that i was not even born 40yrs ago l)..... u see how that logic of yours failed?




What does Burundy, Nigeria, Centra Africa republic, Congo, Niger and Malawi have in common? They are within the first 15 poorest country in the world ....... also in Africa they are within first 15 countries with highest number of Jw faithfuls...... no begger in Jw? Facts proved otherwise.


Nigeria is the poverty capital of the world with over 89million people living in poverty, do you think these 89million people are solely from other religion and none from your own religion? So my oga instead of telling your neighbour how to get out or the causes of poverty you guys should be fixing yourself with that knowledge.

See how fake it goes, you lphe your neighbor so much that you try to go about life and avoid poverty, but if your mother decides to folow that Neighbors of yours to his church, you will turn your mother to a stranger?excommunicate her and will mot even soeak to her...... that is the definition of fake love sir.





Also If me trying to help like you say makes me an hypocrite or look like one..... dont you think you preaching in public places and knocking peoples door makes you an hypocrite too? (Using your logic) (same people you are willing to treat your family members as strangers of they become close fridnd with or marry or accompany to church)


Let me quickly say this because i am a man and a Nigerian first before i took the white man religion, When a man is dying, i dont care what people think about me when i am trying to help him, if me looking like an hypocrite is the price i have to pay for spreading love? For helping? then i am willing to pay that, at the end of the day the Christ you said you following didnt do his miracle in hidden places.





So you mean dirtiness are the cause of sickness? Maybe you should explain to us how a dirty environment causes diabetes or cancer..... i am a medical doctor are you trying to tell me Jw are so clean they dont fall ill? I have personally treated alot......You see what religion does? What makes you think every rich person is evil?

first off wealthy people live in clean places because they can afford the best kind of cleaners, i put it to you if bills gate step his foot in your bathromm he will run away. (No insult intended)



Also you said who does not participate in these cleaning exercise will not enter paradise, can you back that up with a biblical reference.

But before you do that here is a link watch town dumping harmful chemicla in land fills and water bodies thus killing aquatic ecosystems and cuting off available of clean drinking water from these water bodies


https://jwfacts.com/watchtower/blog/pollution.php


You sure say watch tower people go make paradise so?

orisa37:
Greenholics

In all of The above, THE NATIONAL ASSEMBLIES SHOULD CORRECT THE ILLS OF NIGERIA.

"All" that means they have to bring down the constitution.....How do u think they can do that remember went going into office they sworn to uo held the constitution going against it after that is an act of treason.

Greenholics:

Thus you dont know who stole the stuff, it might even your most dedicated members, I know perosnally of Jw faithful that does runs, as a matter of fact when i attended Jw program i was to marry one and i dont want to go into th not so upright part i had to deal with, so my brother dont come here to paint it like everyone is evil except JW, they are good and bad people and its perculiar to one set or race, its a fallacy and it is not what a spiritually enlightened person should say.

It's a pity you don't understand what i am saying here but let me simplify it for you now.
I'm not saying JWs are perfect humans but the rules guiding us will never let someone in our midst steal, fornicate or commit adultery and expect fellow JWs to view you as a dedicated member. So if something is missing and anyone founds it in our midst the only way to prove that there is miracles in your life is by presenting the lost item to the lost and found counter not keeping it for yourself because nobody will celebrate you in our midst when you become rich all of a sudden, in fact you'll be the first suspect when anything is missing!

Greenholics:

You see, try as much as possible to remove sentiment from fact, did you do an head count and investigation that shows no Jw faithfuls are beggers come on! They are beggers in isreal, same way they are beggers in Rome and in UAE, but that does not in any way or form put a limit on what God can do......
You know these are stuff they tell you guys and it lacks verifiable foundations, and lets get our head on the right side, even if even if we all have billions of dollars, if there is no love that money is nothing, when love is missing, it turn a religion into a cult.
And you see these begger issues, its only a gospel that can only be pushed in the poor side of Africa, in a civilised world where billionaire use train and public amenities how do you want to use "no begger in Jw" as a prove that there is love manifestingbat its finest in the kingdom hall, come on we have to get the poverty mentality off your mind sir.

What i am saying is JWs are known in their neighbourhood so it's impossible for a JW to beg for money, even our kids are taught to be contented with whatever they have never to beg for anything from strangers. That's why i can confidently tell you that there is no JW that's a beggar!

Greenholics:

Judging by your last paragraph every body doing good and giving back to the community got thier wealth through an evil means? It is funny you said that because few paragraphs ago you just bragged that no begger in your set and you guys support each other does that mean you are getting your wealth from an evil means ?
Ok check this " In 2016, three more properties valued at an estimated $850 million to $1 billion—including the headquarters building—were put up for sale. The WatchTower Society reached a deal to sell the headquarters at Columbia Heights for $700 million" (from wikipedia you can go look it up)
Is this from an evil source too? Does it mean the watch tower got this money by putting people in hardship?
Also get this part, the fact that a person is a financially doing well does not mean he is the cause of all the evil happening, not all wealth people are evil.

My friend, the truth is that wealth is tied to stealing from the poor. One way or another people who deprive their fellowman the right to good things that's how wealth comes, that's why Jesus referred to wealth as "unrighteous riches" {Luke 16:9} this simply means that Christians who has once been depriving their fellowman of good things and got wealthy through that means should stop such acts and whatever they've acquired in the past should be channeled now to helping their fellow believers who happens to be less privileged to get the needed things! Luke 18:18-23
So all the estates of watchtower comes through the contributions of people both rich and poor who wants to play their part in helping others to get what we need now, which is the spiritual things like Bibles and other information materials. That's why all our books are FREE!

Greenholics:

Its funny you still havent replied what i asked, so you will treat your kids and parents like strangers because they visited a catholic church or took blood transfusion or maybe decided not to be a memberof JW? I really want yiur reply on this.

When you are my neighbour what i owe you is the love for every living person around me. So if you're related to me by blood and i have what it takes to help you i'll do what is within my capability, but when you're one of Jehovah's Witnesses then i must go extra miles to see to it that what you need is provided. For instance i can't go to a fellow JW demanding a help for someone who is not a JW simply because that person is related to me, but i can walk up to any of my JW brothers and sisters to tell them what our fellow believer needs if i'm not buoyant enough to solve it.
Ordinarily i'm a shy person who will rather remain hungry than going to beg strangers for food, it's JWs that taught me never to hide my problems from fellow believers, so if i now see a fellow believer in need and i can't solve the problem then it's my duty to go and meet other brothers to help our brother in faith but i can't do such for a neighbour who isn't related to us in the faith. That's why someone who is not related to me in the faith can't have the same privileged as my family in the faith!

Greenholics:

Ok you said love is when you prevent a thing from happening rather then fixing it when it happens but you forget some issues are laced in the fabric of society even before you and I come to this world.
For example if i give food to an homeless person, then i dont love him because some 40year ago he made a wrong financial decision (that kind of put him in a bad situation ) now) so are you saying i dont love the person in question because i didnt stop him from making the wrong decision?(not minding the fact that i was not even born 40yrs ago l)..... u see how that logic of yours failed?

"Prevention is better than cure" doesn't mean bad things will not happen but when it does then it's the duty of the society as a whole to help not my own personal responsibility.
So before people gets into trouble we strive to warn them of the consequences of their actions. For instance a JW mustn't commit fornication or adultery but most people don't see it as evil until they contact STDs. So whose responsibility is it to start looking for cure when people in your neighbourhood are infected with HIV or AIDS? Is it not the government? We have played our part in trying to prevent such but when they ignore then it's not our duty to spend our hard earned money (which we also need) on people who deliberately ignore us!

Greenholics:

What does Burundy, Nigeria, Centra Africa republic, Congo, Niger and Malawi have in common? They are within the first 15 poorest country in the world ....... also in Africa they are within first 15 countries with highest number of Jw faithfuls...... no begger in Jw? Facts proved otherwise.
Nigeria is the poverty capital of the world with over 89million people living in poverty, do you think these 89million people are solely from other religion and none from your own religion? So my oga instead of telling your neighbour how to get out or the causes of poverty you guys should be fixing yourself with that knowledge.
See how fake it goes, you lphe your neighbor so much that you try to go about life and avoid poverty, but if your mother decides to folow that Neighbors of yours to his church, you will turn your mother to a stranger?excommunicate her and will mot even soeak to her...... that is the definition of fake love sir.

When we're talking about poverty it's everywhere in the world. The richest nation on this planet do have their own beggars in their streets. So it's not about a country but the thoughts in the minds of each person. A JW knows that it's a sin for him to beg strangers for food because it defames the name of our God. So whatever can lead him/her into such situations must be totally avoided. Even if it means cutting our expenses to the lowest minimum. That's why i can confidently tell you that there's no beggar among JWs!

Greenholics:

Also If me trying to help like you say makes me an hypocrite or look like one..... dont you think you preaching in public places and knocking peoples door makes you an hypocrite too? (Using your logic) (same people you are willing to treat your family members as strangers of they become close fridnd with or marry or accompany to church)
Let me quickly say this because i am a man and a Nigerian first before i took the white man religion, When a man is dying, i dont care what people think about me when i am trying to help him, if me looking like an hypocrite is the price i have to pay for spreading love? For helping? then i am willing to pay that, at the end of the day the Christ you said you following didnt do his miracle in hidden places.

The hypocrisy is not about helping but blowing trumpet ahead for everyone to know what you do to help others. So don't get me wrong.
Honest hearted and sincere individuals who wants to help will not show their faces or let their names be known. But evil people who have stolen from the poor will always want everyone to see them as philanthropist in the society, because their conscience is disturbing them over the source of their wealth so they want everyone to see them as good people.
When you here of estates worth billions of dollars owned by Watchtower do you think it falls from heaven? No! It's the contributions of all members so nobody knows who contributed high or low all we know is that our God is taking good care of His worshipers with the contributions from His worshipers!

Greenholics:

So you mean dirtiness are the cause of sickness? Maybe you should explain to us how a dirty environment causes diabetes or cancer..... i am a medical doctor are you trying to tell me Jw are so clean they dont fall ill? I have personally treated alot......You see what religion does? What makes you think every rich person is evil?
first off wealthy people live in clean places because they can afford the best kind of cleaners, i put it to you if bills gate step his foot in your bathromm he will run away. (No insult intended)
Also you said who does not participate in these cleaning exercise will not enter paradise, can you back that up with a biblical reference.
But before you do that here is a link watch town dumping harmful chemicla in land fills and water bodies thus killing aquatic ecosystems and cuting off available of clean drinking water from these water bodies
https://jwfacts.com/watchtower/blog/pollution.php
You sure say watch tower people go make paradise so?

Thank God you're a medical personnel.
Now what do you think about people who depends on others to take good care of their homes? Remember the cleaners are paid to do the job not because they love to see your home clean. That's what i am saying. JWs are taught that a dirty person has nothing to do with our God. So each person strives to make sure that his homes are kept tidy since our God won't appreciate you if you're dirty.
Those paying others to clean their homes for them won't see Paradise because they're not used to doing what we are going to do there: each person taking good care of his own home!