newwater:
Your religion on and on always go along been dogmatic as usual always by your crook mind that satan allotted to you freely, it is not difficult for you to find deceptive and misleading evidence even though you have gotten the truth. Israel where prophet Issa (pbh) was born know the true about the Christian as a religion. The Gospel had been change completely to suit and protect the Devil and his Cohort like you ego. See abeg continue

Same isreal that is a jewish nation? You don confuse me bros slow down sir, can you throw more light on that sir...... lets emotions aside we are just discussing

Decree 24 is being used without proper Consideration and Acceptance..

The NASS SHOULD CONSIDER ANY PROVISION OF IT AND PROPERLY ACCEPT IT.

Decree 24 is being used without proper Consideration and Acceptance..

The NASS SHOULD CONSIDER ANY PROVISION OF IT AND PROPERLY ACCEPT IT.

The CONSTITUTIONAL STATES should be increased to 42 FULLY AUTONOMOUS POLICING RESOURCING AND ELECTIONEERING CONSTITUTIONAL STATES.

Decree 24 is being used without proper Consideration and Acceptance..

The NASS SHOULD CONSIDER ANY PROVISION OF IT AND PROPERLY ACCEPT IT.

The CONSTITUTIONAL STATES should be increased to 42 FULLY AUTONOMOUS POLICING RESOURCING AND ELECTIONEERING CONSTITUTIONAL STATES.

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MaxInDHouse:

It's a pity you don't understand what i am saying here but let me simplify it for you now.
I'm not saying JWs are perfect humans but the rules guiding us will never let someone in our midst steal, fornicate or commit adultery and expect fellow JWs to view you as a dedicated member. So if something is missing and anyone founds it in our midst the only way to prove that there is miracles in your life is by presenting the lost item to the lost and found counter not keeping it for yourself because nobody will celebrate you in our midst when you become rich all of a sudden, in fact you'll be the first suspect when anything is missing!

What i am saying is JWs are known in their neighbourhood so it's impossible for a JW to beg for money, even our kids are taught to be contented with whatever they have never to beg for anything from strangers. That's why i can confidently tell you that there is no JW that's a beggar!


My friend, the truth is that wealth is tied to stealing from the poor. One way or another people who deprive their fellowman the right to good things that's how wealth comes, that's why Jesus referred to wealth as "unrighteous riches" {Luke 16:9} this simply means that Christians who has once been depriving their fellowman of good things and got wealthy through that means should stop such acts and whatever they've acquired in the past should be channeled now to helping their fellow believers who happens to be less privileged to get the needed things! Luke 18:18-23
So all the estates of watchtower comes through the contributions of people both rich and poor who wants to play their part in helping others to get what we need now, which is the spiritual things like Bibles and other information materials. That's why all our books are FREE!

When you are my neighbour what i owe you is the love for every living person around me. So if you're related to me by blood and i have what it takes to help you i'll do what is within my capability, but when you're one of Jehovah's Witnesses then i must go extra miles to see to it that what you need is provided. For instance i can't go to a fellow JW demanding a help for someone who is not a JW simply because that person is related to me, but i can walk up to any of my JW brothers and sisters to tell them what our fellow believer needs if i'm not buoyant enough to solve it.
Ordinarily i'm a shy person who will rather remain hungry than going to beg strangers for food, it's JWs that taught me never to hide my problems from fellow believers, so if i now see a fellow believer in need and i can't solve the problem then it's my duty to go and meet other brothers to help our brother in faith but i can't do such for a neighbour who isn't related to us in the faith. That's why someone who is not related to me in the faith can't have the same privileged as my family in the faith!





"Prevention is better than cure" doesn't mean bad things will not happen but when it does then it's the duty of the society as a whole to help not my own personal responsibility.
So before people gets into trouble we strive to warn them of the consequences of their actions. For instance a JW mustn't commit fornication or adultery but most people don't see it as evil until they contact STDs. So whose responsibility is it to start looking for cure when people in your neighbourhood are infected with HIV or AIDS? Is it not the government? We have played our part in trying to prevent such but when they ignore then it's not our duty to spend our hard earned money (which we also need) on people who deliberately ignore us!


When we're talking about poverty it's everywhere in the world. The richest nation on this planet do have their own beggars in their streets. So it's not about a country but the thoughts in the minds of each person. A JW knows that it's a sin for him to beg strangers for food because it defames the name of our God. So whatever can lead him/her into such situations must be totally avoided. Even if it means cutting our expenses to the lowest minimum. That's why i can confidently tell you that there's no beggar among JWs!

The hypocrisy is not about helping but blowing trumpet ahead for everyone to know what you do to help others. So don't get me wrong.
Honest hearted and sincere individuals who wants to help will not show their faces or let their names be known. But evil people who have stolen from the poor will always want everyone to see them as philanthropist in the society, because their conscience is disturbing them over the source of their wealth so they want everyone to see them as good people.
When you here of estates worth billions of dollars owned by Watchtower do you think it falls from heaven? No! It's the contributions of all members so nobody knows who contributed high or low all we know is that our God is taking good care of His worshipers with the contributions from His worshipers!


Thank God you're a medical personnel.
Now what do you think about people who depends on others to take good care of their homes? Remember the cleaners are paid to do the job not because they love to see your home clean. That's what i am saying. JWs are taught that a dirty person has nothing to do with our God. So each person strives to make sure that his homes are kept tidy since our God won't appreciate you if you're dirty.
Those paying others to clean their homes for them won't see Paradise because they're not used to doing what we are going to do there: each person taking good care of his own home!

Aint that funny how you now talking from both sides of your mouth, but its ok it shows you have seen how faulty your sentiment fanatistic stance is.



Also you said wealth is tied to stealing...... now let me engage you with your bible...... in Deuteronomy 8:18 your bible says God gives strength to make wealth ( so u mean God gives the wealty strength to steal from the poor) your bible says God gives wealth and added no sorrow..... you see before you quote a bible verse out of context make sure you read the chapter so you get the full understandingof that verse, Luke 16:9 didnt say all wealth is evil or unrighteous, if you read the chapter Jesus was teaching against making friends and following the ways of dishonest people that makes "unrighteousness wealth"

Why did you decied to pick unrighteousness wealth mentions as proof that all wealth is dirty and unrighteous? ........ you came here initially to show how awesome your religion, you are not in a fix now trying to win an argument that is ego sir keep it in check.

if watch tower truly want to help the poor amongt Jw then i dont see why they need an office building that is worth over a billion dollar, how many aid have yoi gotten from the international body to support your business? 1billion dollar off for an NGO is misappropriation of funds, its stealing because the donation was not made to build multi million dollar office, stuf like these are what the Nigeria government can do.... its corruption sir.




Your books are not free, you ask for support and not just from us also from various government bodies around the world including the united nations (UN) the ssme organisation you people vehemently preach again, if you want proof i wil just ask..lol





Why is it that when i ask you a direct question you just dont answer it, do you knownhow many people covid killed in your sect?


I stilk want to know how dirt can cause diabetes or hiv?




Can you back up your last paragraph about people not clea ing thier homes by them self and the will not enter paradise? Or is that what you formed in your head because theybtold you rich people are evil, wealth is bad so sell off all what you have and donate it..... meanwhile your leaders in USA (watch tower) are sitting on a 1 billion dollar property use as HQ... do you think they are cleaning that massive property by themselves? Lol



See how you going back on your words now.... i havent even open the bible to engage you yet sir.



Love and light my brother, i pray your quest for God should not die but should be based on knowledge. Thanks for your time.


Surprisingly you can "speak" braggadiously anymore because you know, we will ask questions and we work with facts and figures here.

Greenholics:

Aint that funny how you now talking from both sides of your mouth, but its ok it shows you have seen how faulty your sentiment fanatistic stance is. Also you said wealth is tied to stealing...... now let me engage you with your bible...... in Deuteronomy 8:18 your bible says God gives strength to make wealth ( so u mean God gives the wealty strength to steal from the poor) your bible says God gives wealth and added no sorrow..... you see before you quote a bible verse out of context make sure you read the chapter so you get the full understandingof that verse, Luke 16:9 didnt say all wealth is evil or unrighteous, if you read the chapter Jesus was teaching against making friends and following the ways of dishonest people that makes "unrighteousness wealth"

The strength we all have comes from God whether we use it for good or evil so keep that as a simple expression of fact that even the one who happens to have stolen from the poor can only claim what he stole when their is life!

Greenholics:

Why did you decied to pick unrighteousness wealth mentions as proof that all wealth is dirty and unrighteous? ........ you came here initially to show how awesome your religion, you are not in a fix now trying to win an argument that is ego sir keep it in check.
if watch tower truly want to help the poor amongt Jw then i dont see why they need an office building that is worth over a billion dollar, how many aid have yoi gotten from the international body to support your business? 1billion dollar off for an NGO is misappropriation of funds, its stealing because the donation was not made to build multi million dollar office, stuf like these are what the Nigeria government can do.... its corruption sir.

The costly possession were gotten from the contributions of our wealthy brothers and sisters in rich countries now we are putting it up for sale to care for the spiritual need of those in poor countries. For instance, there are brothers like Charles Russell who left a fortune for the organization to cater for the need of others. This man sold everything he acquired in the world only to start using it for printing Bibles and other publications to help people who need these things. Many have followed footstep and now we have properties worth millions of dollars when some of our brothers in poor countries can't even afford a place of worship. So we're putting all these out for sale!

Greenholics:

Your books are not free, you ask for support and not just from us also from various government bodies around the world including the united nations (UN) the ssme organisation you people vehemently preach again, if you want proof i wil just ask..lol
Why is it that when i ask you a direct question you just dont answer it, do you knownhow many people covid killed in your sect?

Do you know what it means when someone say this thing is free?
Well it simply means whether you have money or not you can have it. So if some people now deemed it necessary to contribute in making the publications available for everyone how come you're trying so hard to deny the fact that it's still FREE?
Well let me just assume that you don't know what it means for something to be Free.
What has the death caused by a global pandemic that cut across all race and class got to do with cleanliness?
Perhaps you've forgotten what you said earlier that the rich lives in clean environment yet it's the same class that died mostly in this side of the world through Covid19. So people got infected through breath from infected persons not dirt!

Greenholics:

I stilk want to know how dirt can cause diabetes or hiv?
Can you back up your last paragraph about people not clea ing thier homes by them self and the will not enter paradise? Or is that what you formed in your head because theybtold you rich people are evil, wealth is bad so sell off all what you have and donate it..... meanwhile your leaders in USA (watch tower) are sitting on a 1 billion dollar property use as HQ... do you think they are cleaning that massive property by themselves? Lol

You're not one of us so you don't know that it's the same people using the facilities that are trained to clean it. Chei see ignorance!
Well for your information, it's JWs who are using the facilities that are cleaning it.
That's what moved me the first time i attended JW assembly. I noticed a man about 58 who came with his family in a limo cleaning the toilets with other members. That's the day i knew JWs don't value class like other religions!

Greenholics:

See how you going back on your words now.... i havent even open the bible to engage you yet sir.
Love and light my brother, i pray your quest for God should not die but should be based on knowledge. Thanks for your time.
Surprisingly you can "speak" braggadiously anymore because you know, we will ask questions and we work with facts and figures here.

Faith is about knowledge and wisdom so you're free to question any religion that comes your way. It's good as in wise to do so.
As for the one and only true religion God approves the Bible said: They will educate themselves and eradicate politics and racism (the two major cause of hatred among people) they will divert all their resources into production of food and information materials, they will erase the use of weapons from their hearts and stop military services for good! Isaiah 2:2-4; Malachi 4:1-3

You yourself have confirmed that JWs are selling properties worth millions of dollars and i've told you what we are using the money for.
I hope your choice religion could do the same.

By the way, you're my neighbour not my brother. You and i aren't related in any way so the only way we know each other now is through faceless social media on Nairaland!

MaxInDHouse:

The strength we all have comes from God whether we use it for good or evil so keep that as a simple expression of fact that even the one who happens to have stolen from the poor can only claim what he stole when their is life!

The costly possession were gotten from the contributions of our wealthy brothers and sisters in rich countries now we are putting it up for sale to care for the spiritual need of those in poor countries. For instance, there are brothers like Charles Russell who left a fortune for the organization to cater for the need of others. This man sold everything he acquired in the world only to start using it for printing Bibles and other publications to help people who need these things. Many have followed footstep and now we have properties worth millions of dollars when some of our brothers in poor countries can't even afford a place of worship. So we're putting all these out for sale!

Do you know what it means when someone say this thing is free?
Well it simply means whether you have money or not you can have it. So if some people now deemed it necessary to contribute in making the publications available for everyone how come you're trying so hard to deny the fact that it's still FREE?
Well let me just assume that you don't know what it means for something to be Free.
What has the death caused by a global pandemic that cut across all race and class got to do with cleanliness?
Perhaps you've forgotten what you said earlier that the rich lives in clean environment yet it's the same class that died mostly in this side of the world through Covid19. So people got infected through breath from infected persons not dirt!

You're not one of us so you don't know that it's the same people using the facilities that are trained to clean it. Chei see ignorance!
Well for your information, it's JWs who are using the facilities that are cleaning it.
That's what moved me the first time i attended JW assembly. I noticed a man about 58 who came with his family in a limo cleaning the toilets with other members. That's the day i knew JWs don't value class like other religions!

Faith is about knowledge and wisdom so you're free to question any religion that comes your way. It's good as in wise to do so.
As for the one and only true religion God approves the Bible said: They will educate themselves and eradicate politics and racism (the two major cause of hatred among people) they will divert all their resources into production of food and information materials, they will erase the use of weapons from their hearts and stop military services for good! Isaiah 2:2-4; Malachi 4:1-3

You yourself have confirmed that JWs are selling properties worth millions of dollars and i've told you what we are using the money for.
I hope your choice religion could do the same.

By the way, you're my neighbour not my brother. You and i aren't related in any way so the only way we know each other now is through faceless social media on Nairaland!

From this

" My friend, the truth is that wealth is tied to stealing from the poor. One way or another people who deprive their fellowman the right to good things that's how wealth comes "

" where did they get the billions they're using for their philanthropic exercises?
Is it not by stealing from the poor? "



You went to this....

" The costly possession were gotten from the contributions of our wealthy brothers and sisters"

So you mean you have evil wealthy people in Jw contrinuting money? since you believe all wealth is evil...... i am just curious.




The founder of the Jw was though by Russel now where did Russel made his money from? He was broke before he started the movement that Rutherfordniw names Jw..... you want proof? Lol


The publication are only free if the receiver refuse to pay, many a time they come to me and preach and say we have something for you, then ask me to supoort or contribute.... then when i decline contributing they then say on for free...... if people already contribute and paid so its free why still asking for contributions in the street? Lol
You hate non jw so much but you can collect our money?



From this

" if everyone is a JW there will be no reason for sicknesses because JWs believe that when you're dirty .......


You went to this

" What has the death caused by a global pandemic that cut across all race and class got to do with cleanliness?
Perhaps you've forgotten what you said earlier that the rich lives in clean environment yet it's the same class that died mostly in this side of the world through Covid19. So people got infected through breath from infected persons not dirt "

oh i thought you said they will be no sickness cos jw cleaning habit is solution to all illness.

You see now you are confuse because i told you being clean is good but its not the cure for all ilness, there is a space for science in the physical health of man.






You dont even know what is happening in your set, this the reason they are selling off the ill gotten ( using your logic) 1 billion dollar property

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/jehovahs-witnesses-sell-watchtower-for-dollar1bn-nqcf58675


They are selling off the property because want to relocating the HQ to an even bigger and mkre expensive place.... check the article (you don't believe me, go research and see)



I know you are tryjng hard to defend your religion, but please get knowledge about the bible and its origin and what you are practicing the history, favt figures abs all .......i am not askjng you to come do ifa with me, in your own sect try and strive to know just every thjng about what you practising and history, because from this our little chit chat i already know you are half baked, you couldn't even quote a bible verse correctly you took it out of contex.


Read my brother, travel, visit places and people... watch movies it will expand your mind and give you deeper understanding, don't be a feather weight in the religion you claim to love so much, and also you religionis soly about love, not competing, in your last post you dint even know what i practice but you alresdy assumeit cant do what jw is doing........ that is ignorace at it finest, if there is a scale for ignorace i bet you broke that scale over and over in the course of our little back and forth here, no wonder you are deleting your post you made on this topic.....


Lastly your bible says we are all from Adam and eve, that makes us one family, you are my brother ....lol


After this i will only reply u if you dont back up you stance with verified proof or reference to your bible. Thanks

To my Muslim brothers, W sallam.

Greenholics:

From this
" My friend, the truth is that wealth is tied to stealing from the poor. One way or another people who deprive their fellowman the right to good things that's how wealth comes "
" where did they get the billions they're using for their philanthropic exercises?
Is it not by stealing from the poor? "
You went to this....
" The costly possession were gotten from the contributions of our wealthy brothers and sisters"
So you mean you have evil wealthy people in Jw contrinuting money? since you believe all wealth is evil...... i am just curious.
The founder of the Jw was though by Russel now where did Russel made his money from? He was broke before he started the movement that Rutherfordniw names Jw..... you want proof? Lol The publication are only free if the receiver refuse to pay, many a time they come to me and preach and say we have something for you, then ask me to supoort or contribute.... then when i decline contributing they then say on for free...... if people already contribute and paid so its free why still asking for contributions in the street? Lol
You hate non jw so much but you can collect our money?
From this
" if everyone is a JW there will be no reason for sicknesses because JWs believe that when you're dirty .......
You went to this
" What has the death caused by a global pandemic that cut across all race and class got to do with cleanliness? Perhaps you've forgotten what you said earlier that the rich lives in clean environment yet it's the same class that died mostly in this side of the world through Covid19. So people got infected through breath from infected persons not dirt " oh i thought you said they will be no sickness cos jw cleaning habit is solution to all illness.
You see now you are confuse because i told you being clean is good but its not the cure for all ilness, there is a space for science in the physical health of man. You dont even know what is happening in your set, this the reason they are selling off the ill gotten ( using your logic) 1 billion dollar property
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/jehovahs-witnesses-sell-watchtower-for-dollar1bn-nqcf58675 They are selling off the property because want to relocating the HQ to an even bigger and mkre expensive place.... check the article (you don't believe me, go research and see) I know you are tryjng hard to defend your religion, but please get knowledge about the bible and its origin and what you are practicing the history, favt figures abs all .......i am not askjng you to come do ifa with me, in your own sect try and strive to know just every thjng about what you practising and history, because from this our little chit chat i already know you are half baked, you couldn't even quote a bible verse correctly you took it out of contex. Read my brother, travel, visit places and people... watch movies it will expand your mind and give you deeper understanding, don't be a feather weight in the religion you claim to love so much, and also you religionis soly about love, not competing, in your last post you dint even know what i practice but you alresdy assumeit cant do what jw is doing........ that is ignorace at it finest, if there is a scale for ignorace i bet you broke that scale over and over in the course of our little back and forth here, no wonder you are deleting your post you made on this topic.....
Lastly your bible says we are all from Adam and eve, that makes us one family, you are my brother ....lol After this i will only reply u if you dont back up you stance with verified proof or reference to your bible. Thanks

Wealth is from unrighteous riches that's why Jesus urged the rich man to sell everything and give it all to the poor! Luke 18:18-23

So i know that truth is bitter but that's no problem, you've heard it from me go and find out if there is any billionaire who never deprive others of what they deserve in a way or another. That's why we don't praise them for whatever they give back to the poor because they got it through depriving people of good life!

As for cleanliness, i told you that JWs knows it's importance so if everyone on this planet is a JW there will be less or no sickness at all. It's the negligence of unbelievers that's causing sickness!


We all know that Adam and Eve were the first humans to step their foot on this planet but now they're both gone for good, i relate with my God now through our everlasting father (Jesus Christ) do you agree with me that Jesus is your father too?
Because if not then you're not my brother but neighbour!

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MaxInDHouse:


Wealth is from unrighteous riches that's why Jesus urged the rich man to sell everything and give it all to the poor! Luke 18:18-23

So i know that truth is bitter but that's no problem, you've heard it from me go and find out if there is any billionaire who never deprive others of what they deserve in a way or another. That's why we don't praise them for whatever they give back to the poor because they got it through depriving people of good life!

As for cleanliness, i told you that JWs knows it's importance so if everyone on this planet is a JW there will be less or no sickness at all. It's the negligence of unbelievers that's causing sickness!


We all know that Adam and Eve were the first humans to step their foot on this planet but now they're both gone for good, i relate with my God now through our everlasting father (Jesus Christ) do you agree with me that Jesus is your father too?
Because if not then you're not my brother but neighbour!

Thats funny, i woukd have enagage you regarding the wealth thing, but you are not up for conversation... Go check your bible and you will realize Jesus was not poor, your bible says his garment was woven in one piece from neck to hem ( that mean there was no join join as we call it, that garment is whatbee call "alreadg made" today)...... a poor man will not wear already made garment.


Also your bible says he was on a boat sleeping, the only place u can sleep on a boat or any means of transportation is where we call forst class today.... poor man cant fly first class.


Lastly your bible says he has an accountant, what does a poor man need an accountant for? So you see..... you read your buble like its a story body.


Any religion based on hate will self destruct......



Also can you give me a very practival example of wealthy persom that took from thw poor? Maybe we should use bill gate as a case study.



Also you said some wealthy brother in Jw do contribute money to watch tower, which is a good thing.... but then you also said all wealthy people make their wealth in a dirty way, so you know they are evil and bad people in jw giving money they took from poor people, why havsnt you guys chase them out of Jw or reject thier money?



And also like the verse you quoted Jesus told the rich man to sell off all he owns, your watch tower is worth billiona of dollar why havent it been sold and the money used to help the poor Jw world wide? Rather they sold it added some extra billions (poor people money) and bought an even bigger place.


So you are preachinf stuff you dknt practise, usinf your logic watxh tower took money world wide from poor people and use it to fund expensice stuff not needed.



( i am waiting for u to come tell me not all wealth are dirty or ill gotten i will show you your previous messages)


Now Mr Neighbors, i have a question you sae this post evidently for muslims why did you decide to leave your high tower and come here? Since you hate us so much.



Side note: if Jesus come back to earth today, you will probably hate him too because i am very sure he will not practising the religion you approve of, as a natter of fact Yeshua (Jesus) when on earth practise Judaism, and he did that till he was crucified and not once did he speak again Judaism he only spoke againt the leaders and some things they allowed in the temple.


I bet you will probably cut him off and excommunicate him.


If jw is the way why make it hard for people to leave? Sounds like a cult to me now.

Greenholics:

Thats funny, i woukd have enagage you regarding the wealth thing, but you are not up for conversation... Go check your bible and you will realize Jesus was not poor, your bible says his garment was woven in one piece from neck to hem ( that mean there was no join join as we call it, that garment is whatbee call "alreadg made" today)...... a poor man will not wear already made garment.

That simply means the cloth is not man-made!

Also your bible says he was on a boat sleeping, the only place u can sleep on a boat or any means of transportation is where we call forst class today.... poor man cant fly first class.

You missed it!
Jesus was in a boat because most of his followers were fishermen so they're used to sea-life but Jesus is a carpenter that's why he wasn't peddling the boat along with them.

[quote [Lastly your bible says he has an accountant, what does a poor man need an accountant for? So you see..... you read your buble like its a story body.[/quote]
Judas Iscariot is not Jesus' accountant rather he was the group's cashier keeping the money given to them on their journey throughout Israel because their laws says they must be hospitable to strangers.

Any religion based on hate will self destruct......
Also can you give me a very practival example of wealthy persom that took from thw poor? Maybe we should use bill gate as a case study.

If people work for a righteous boss, everyone will receive the same salary because they all contributed to the success of the business. So where people underpay some it's stealing from them that's why we're having armed robbers in the society. Imagine a situation where everyone receives the same wage do you think there will be armed robbers?

Also you said some wealthy brother in Jw do contribute money to watch tower, which is a good thing.... but then you also said all wealthy people make their wealth in a dirty way, so you know they are evil and bad people in jw giving money they took from poor people, why havsnt you guys chase them out of Jw or reject thier money?

They made their wealth the way they feel it's normal but when such a person comes to Jesus, Jesus ordered him to return everything back to the poor if he wants to rule with Jesus and become one of Jesus' followers {Luke 18:18-23} selling everything doesn't mean he will not have anything again but share what he had equally with other members of the group.
That's exactly what the wealthy JWs are doing to make sure their is free Bibles and publications throughout the earth for others!

And also like the verse you quoted Jesus told the rich man to sell off all he owns, your watch tower is worth billiona of dollar why havent it been sold and the money used to help the poor Jw world wide? Rather they sold it added some extra billions (poor people money) and bought an even bigger place.

Jesus wasn't talking about sharing their money equally otherwise he wouldn't have said there will always be poor ones in their midst {Mark 14:7} what he meant is for them to make sure all members get what is of utmost importance to them which is the Bible and other publications that's useful not material things.
Each person can do that on his own but what is contributed is for the Kingdom interest.
Despite this you can never find anyone begging in your stree in the name of Jehovah like your brothers in your religion. WHY? Because we are taught to be contented with whatever we have unlike your brothers who will continue promoting begging in the society all in the name of your Allah!

So you are preachinf stuff you dknt practise, usinf your logic watxh tower took money world wide from poor people and use it to fund expensice stuff not needed.
( i am waiting for u to come tell me not all wealth are dirty or ill gotten i will show you your previous messages)

It's because your religion is worthless that's why you don't know the difference between pure worship and false religions. Israelites contributed to the works going on in the temple and Jesus commended a widow who contributed the smallest amount. Meaning it's not just for the rich to contribute everyone can share in the joy of being a partaker in the success of pure worship. Unlike your own religion where only the rich see themselves as blessed and the less privileged see themselves as cursed!

Now Mr Neighbors, i have a question you sae this post evidently for muslims why did you decide to leave your high tower and come here? Since you hate us so much.

Perhaps you should go back and reread my first comment on the thread, i said anyone who believe in the existence of a creator is a million times better than an atheist.
Do you still remember?

Side note: if Jesus come back to earth today, you will probably hate him too because i am very sure he will not practising the religion you approve of, as a natter of fact Yeshua (Jesus) when on earth practise Judaism, and he did that till he was crucified and not once did he speak again Judaism he only spoke againt the leaders and some things they allowed in the temple.

Jesus spoke against Judaism because that's not the religion Moses established with the law.
Judaism simply means the religion of the southern region of Israel known back then as Judah. The Jews (the southerners) treat the remaining tribes of Israel as outcasts that's why they called them "Samaritans"
So you missed it Jesus never supported such segregation rather he was preaching unity among all the children of Jacob (Israelites)

I bet you will probably cut him off and excommunicate him. If jw is the way why make it hard for people to leave? Sounds like a cult to me now.

Nobody makes it hard for anyone to leave. If you're with us we treat you as our family and if you say goodbye we treat you as a neighbour.
So you can't say you're no longer interested in what binds the family together as one yet demanding to be treated as a family!

MaxInDHouse:

That simply means the cloth is not man-made!


You missed it!
Jesus was in a boat because most of his followers were fishermen so they're used to sea-life but Jesus is a carpenter that's why he wasn't peddling the boat along with them.

There is a part i dont get, i dont know causes armed robbery .... but what do you mean by ubder pay? How do we calculate the pay to give a person?

Also i dont think its fair for everyone to earn same salary, i own businesses and i iniw hiw tasking it is to setup one, and how some are capital intensive. So you mean a ceo like dangite that has spent his whole life building his business should earn same as a cleaner or a gate man? It makes no sense.


Even among workers, they dont do same job for instance a typist should nit earn same as a medical doctor who has spent al ost his whole life learning, same way...... even in yiur bible Jesus made an illustration of people that the master gave talent, when they came back the first diubled his own while the last didnt he took all from the dude that didnt double his talent and gave it all to the dude that doubled his won.....


And its a wrong mindset to think all wealth is evil, now you are in a fix when asked abiur the wealthy person in Jw are they evil too?

Do you know that watch tower is worth about 1 billion dollar? Majority of that money came from donation from person who donated to help the poor and print tracks right? But they held it and use it to something else, what do you have to say abiut that? Is that right?




Also the garment jesus wore was man made sir, no where in your bible was it state that he brought the garment from heaven.and if you check yiur histiry yoh will realise at the time jesus was crucified those kind if garment were very popular among the wealthy class.



You keep quoting one verse as proof that all wealth is evil, your Jesus is againt ill gotten wealth.... isnt not the ssme bible that God ask people to gibe to ghe poor and needy and to his servants tithe and he will por them bkess and open the window of heavens?


All over yiur bible i can show you verse where Jesus asked the rich to give generously to the poor, he didn't ask every person of means to sell it and be poor because poverty doesn't not guaranteen heaven same as wealth.





Watchtower is worth 1billion dollar why habbr they shared that? They sold it and added money to it to get a bigger and more expensive place, why didnt they share that? Have you asked yiur leaders sir?





Also they are poor and rich people every where, have you seen anyone begging in the name of ogun? Does that mean every ogun worshippers ia a millionaire? Nope..... so get off yiur high horse, in my travels all pher Nigeria offerinf free medical aid, i have come across alot of person including jw that could not afford. Medical bills and came for free health care, tbey are jw living in abject poverty so leave that out of the equation.







My religion is worthless? That is your opinion and you are entitled to it, so you all contributed 1 billion dollar for offices ? And we have jw in Nigerian and all pber Africa and asia living in poverty? Dying if various illnesses including covid? That money coukd have been use to help the poor or according to your logic shared equally among the poor among you guys
but no! Offices are better.

Same way Rutherford (Russell successor founder of jw) bought a masion in California saying Abraham, issac and jacob will come back to earth and the masion he bought is where they will live...... (dont bliv me, go do your research)


I bet you dont even own a house, and you donated over a billion dollar? For watch tower building? Lol..... see why i hate religion but love spirituality. Leadership is cashing out, while follower are milked... lol



My religion is Ifa what you call Africa traditional worshipper, you know nothing about my religjon so dont advertise your ignorance yet again, my religion (as you call it) does not favoir only the rich as you claim, it favors the rich and the poor alike.
But yours, i know about yiur false religion i have read the bible, and i have even read the Ethiopian bible and even the first version of kjv and new living translation..




Do you know that bible you are defendinf was giving to you by the roman Catholics? Same roman Catholics yiur Jw hate so much.... i bet you dint knows...lol







Ok Jesus spoke again Judaism? Ok show me proof and moses didn't found judaism, Abraham did.... you dont even know your bible.



Now let me show you how worthless my spirituality is according to your shallow mind, Abraham founded Judaism and he did that afyer coming to Africa and marrying a black woman (in the bible and history anywhwre you see cush, sheba ir Ethiopia it means Africans or black people)

Your bible says Numbers 12:1 states that Moses was criticized by his older siblings for having married a "Cushite woman"...... now this cushite woman called hagar brought alot of African spirituality woth her that was lifted into and formed tbe core of Judaism, now another very prominent figure the person of Moses also brought in alot of Acrican spirituality into Judaism, stuff mises learned from Egypt growing up.......... so now you see my worthless religion or spirituality gave birth to yours........ Judaism came from African traditions spirituality, anr christianity came out from judaism............ so your religion is photocopy of photocopy............. i guess now we know which religion is worthless.









If a monkey which we all say is lower than man, can and will love their child no matter what, but you that call your self human ir higher animal will kick yojt child and your family out of yiur life, excommunicate, and treat them like stranger because they choose another religion other than the perfect one you think you choose....... then sir you are lower than a monkey.
( and that is me putting it respectfully)


So you willing to kick out your family over a book the white man gave to you? Same white man that enslaved your ancestors for pver 400 years? The same book that most of the text in it was written in Africa long before christianity ir judaism was even formed? You dont even know go do a research and expand your shallow mind.



Mesopotamia book of the dead, your very wise solomon didnt even write the book of proverbs, it was actually written by the father, husband and son of the queen of sheba, yes same Queen of sheba in your bible that came to pay solomon a visit, she came woth those wrtting and gold Solomon usedbin building the temple ( don't take my words for it go look it up)




Africans dont read, thus anything the white man tells you... you will do. The white man will never treat his child like a stranger, same people thatbtold you spare the tod and spoil the chikd, but they dont beat thier kids..... but over here we beat our kids like animals and quote the bible to ease our conscience.






All over yiur bible its wrotten God is loce, love your neighbour etc....... but here i am an ifa worshipper teaching you about love. Such a shame

Greenholics:

There is a part i dont get, i dont know causes armed robbery .... but what do you mean by ubder pay? How do we calculate the pay to give a person?
Also i dont think its fair for everyone to earn same salary, i own businesses and i iniw hiw tasking it is to setup one, and how some are capital intensive. So you mean a ceo like dangite that has spent his whole life building his business should earn same as a cleaner or a gate man? It makes no sense.
Even among workers, they dont do same job for instance a typist should nit earn same as a medical doctor who has spent al ost his whole life learning, same way...... even in yiur bible Jesus made an illustration of people that the master gave talent, when they came back the first diubled his own while the last didnt he took all from the dude that didnt double his talent and gave it all to the dude that doubled his won.....

That's why Jesus referred to money as "UNRIGHTEOUS" you're saying "it's not possible" because we are used to the wicked system. The business man will not give everyone equal pay because that's what Satan established after the fall of man.
Regarding the illustration you cited Jesus wasn't talking about the wages of workers their but more privilege of service as each is able to manage, the one who can't manage was sacked because he doesn't care about his master's business. This is talking about people claiming they are Christians but aren't ready to do the preaching and teaching work Jesus commissioned. Among Jehovah's Witnesses we have individuals recording over 100 hours of preaching and teaching monthly and we also have many who only report 5-10 hours monthly depending on their circumstances but the one who is inactive are those who only run after money and anxieties of life leaving the work completely.
If you're looking for an illustration regarding payment go and read what Jesus said in the Bible book of Matthew 20:1-15
According to Jesus everyone should earn the same that's when nobody can think of going to rob another. Remember it's because of the difference in pay that made some hire security guards with weapons to protect them from the less privileged. That's what this wicked system of things is promoting!

Greenholics:

And its a wrong mindset to think all wealth is evil, now you are in a fix when asked abiur the wealthy person in Jw are they evil too?
Do you know that watch tower is worth about 1 billion dollar? Majority of that money came from donation from person who donated to help the poor and print tracks right? But they held it and use it to something else, what do you have to say abiut that? Is that right?

That's the system we find ourselves so Jesus is not condemning those who became rich due to the setting of this system rather he is telling them to concentrate on how to use it wisely not thinking of how to transfer it to someone simply because that one happens to be their child. So the wealthy in God's organization is useful for so many things keeping the organization going. You don't expect God's people to start sharing what was meant for the propagation of the Good News to members so that each can start planning how to enrich their own family nah! We are not Muslims that will gather money and start thinking of how to transfer it to our children. That's why your religion lacks the spirit of preaching and teaching. An average Muslim only focus on his nuclear family, no business with neighbours whether that one is a pagan or not, your people only become envious when they see other religions snatching their followers with preaching. Jehovah's Witnesses use the wealth to train all members to become effective preachers and teachers of God's word. We don't promote materialism!/

Greenholics:

Also the garment jesus wore was man made sir, no where in your bible was it state that he brought the garment from heaven.and if you check yiur histiry yoh will realise at the time jesus was crucified those kind if garment were very popular among the wealthy class.
You keep quoting one verse as proof that all wealth is evil, your Jesus is againt ill gotten wealth.... isnt not the ssme bible that God ask people to gibe to ghe poor and needy and to his servants tithe and he will por them bkess and open the window of heavens?
All over yiur bible i can show you verse where Jesus asked the rich to give generously to the poor, he didn't ask every person of means to sell it and be poor because poverty doesn't not guaranteen heaven same as wealth.
Watchtower is worth 1billion dollar why habbr they shared that? They sold it and added money to it to get a bigger and more expensive place, why didnt they share that? Have you asked yiur leaders sir?

It was his underwear so we know that it's not man-made because there has never been any cloth in the history of mankind that's not sewed. The giving Jesus is talking about is not what you're practicing in your Islam where your people are becoming beggars everywhere all because they believe that the rich must give the poor, rather it's about assisting our fellow believers who have the love of pure worship to meet up with the requirements whether they have little or much, that's why each JW globally have quality Bible and other necessary materials to preach and teach no matter the condition of the country they live and you can never find one JW begging in the streets because it's an insult to our God!

Greenholics:

Also they are poor and rich people every where, have you seen anyone begging in the name of ogun? Does that mean every ogun worshippers ia a millionaire? Nope..... so get off yiur high horse, in my travels all pher Nigeria offerinf free medical aid, i have come across alot of person including jw that could not afford. Medical bills and came for free health care, tbey are jw living in abject poverty so leave that out of the equation.

The highlighted shows you don't understand what is happening at all, but i'll help you.
Ògún Priests do put on palm tree leaves and their members will be following their priest going from place to place, even though there are billionaires among them the priest will be asking passersby for money saying to whoever gives him money: "Ògún á gbè ọ́ ọ"
So don't even go there because my own mother come from the family of hunters who worships Ògún and i've followed her to their festivals several times when i was still around 7-10 years of age, i know that Ògún Priests have a day that they do put on their attire to go BEGGING in the streets!

Greenholics:

My religion is worthless? That is your opinion and you are entitled to it, so you all contributed 1 billion dollar for offices ? And we have jw in Nigerian and all pber Africa and asia living in poverty? Dying if various illnesses including covid? That money coukd have been use to help the poor or according to your logic shared equally among the poor among you guys but no! Offices are better. Same way Rutherford (Russell successor founder of jw) bought a masion in California saying Abraham, issac and jacob will come back to earth and the masion he bought is where they will live...... (dont bliv me, go do your research)
I bet you dont even own a house, and you donated over a billion dollar? For watch tower building? Lol..... see why i hate religion but love spirituality. Leadership is cashing out, while follower are milked... lol

You don't understand what we're discussing at all but i'll help you.
Things meant for the worship is not to be distributed because that's not the purpose for which it was gathered. Remember the poor widow that dropped two coins of little value in the treasury box? Jesus said she's the richest in the sight of God! Luke 21:2-4
The temple was built with gold and costly materials, yet this needy widow still contributed her two coins adding to the billions others are contributing and Jesus said she contributed more than everyone.
What point was he making?
Jesus is emphasizing that no worshiper of God should view the worship as a means of livelihood rather they are all there to contribute their quota not thinking of what they will get from the contributions, in fact Jesus said that's what really makes people happy from the bottom of their hearts knowing fully well that no matter the success of pure worship they are part and parcel of the contributors! Act 20:35
That's why Muslims aren't happy when they're not rich because they feel worthless as the names of contributors are announced with the megaphone while others comes unnoticed by everyone. In pure worship everyone counts because no matter our condition each person contributes to the success of pure worship!

Greenholics:

My religion is Ifa what you call Africa traditional worshipper, you know nothing about my religjon so dont advertise your ignorance yet again, my religion (as you call it) does not favoir only the rich as you claim, it favors the rich and the poor alike.
But yours, i know about yiur false religion i have read the bible, and i have even read the Ethiopian bible and even the first version of kjv and new living translation..
Do you know that bible you are defendinf was giving to you by the roman Catholics? Same roman Catholics yiur Jw hate so much.... i bet you dint knows...lol

When next you find people on social media ask them about their original.
I'm from the family of Ifádùbí in Abéòkúta so when i speak about African tradition i know more than you do. You're just an atheist who wants to raise an argument against Christianity. I saw this in your first move that's why i said "no matter the religion it is a million times better than atheism" i purposely called you out to enlighten you because i know you're not truly interested in Islam you just want to create a confusion among those claiming believers be it Christian or Muslim.
That's why you picked me out of all the commentators because i clearly knocked off atheism (your faculty)
So when i said "your religion" i just wanted to draw you out since you say you have chosen Islam, i know you're lying!
During ọdún ifá in any part of Africa the worshipers must put on white and the snail is their meet that period.
Odù ifá mélòó lo lè kì
Ṣé Èjì-ogbè ni àbí Ọ̀wọ́nri-wòrì ònílàjà Àkẹ̀sán?
My friend just keep your atheism if you don't want to have anything to do with worship i understand but coming to play on people's intelligence thinking you're smart will only work on misinformed Churchgoers and other religionists not Jehovah's Witnesses.
Our Bible is not from the Roman Catholic if you want to know the history of the Bible i can help you!

Greenholics:

Ok Jesus spoke again Judaism? Ok show me proof and moses didn't found judaism, Abraham did.... you dont even know your bible.Now let me show you how worthless my spirituality is according to your shallow mind, Abraham founded Judaism and he did that afyer coming to Africa and marrying a black woman (in the bible and history anywhwre you see cush, sheba ir Ethiopia it means Africans or black people)
Your bible says Numbers 12:1 states that Moses was criticized by his older siblings for having married a "Cushite woman"...... now this cushite woman called hagar brought alot of African spirituality woth her that was lifted into and formed tbe core of Judaism, now another very prominent figure the person of Moses also brought in alot of Acrican spirituality into Judaism, stuff mises learned from Egypt growing up.......... so now you see my worthless religion or spirituality gave birth to yours........ Judaism came from African traditions spirituality, anr christianity came out from judaism............ so your religion is photocopy of photocopy............. i guess now we know which religion is worthless.

Just calm down and learn my friend, you still have a long way to go.
I purposely chose to deal with you because you think your lengthy comment will piss me off but i'm responding to expose you that you're not interested in any form of worship rather you're an atheist.
Abraham or Moses didn't establish any form of worship known as Judaism. I told you that Judaism started after the breaking of the kingdom of Israel into two region. The ten northern part began their own form of worship because their King doesn't want them to return to Jerusalem under the King of the southern kingdom. Both region were enslaved by foreigners and by the time they returned to their land they brought some of the cultures of their captors and inculcated into what Moses taught them. That's why the southern kingdom (Judah and Benjamin known as Jews) separated their own form of worship from the rest of Israel, that's what is known as Judaism.
Despite all these their worship has been polluted with Babylonian reasonings the only thing they have left that relates to the pure worship Solomon (the last king that ruled the whole twelve tribes) is their Temple but there is confusion because there were several sects each claiming they knew better.
So when Jesus arrived to establish pure worship permanently as Moses has foretold centuries before Jesus {Deuteronomy 18:15-18} all the rival sects in Judea formed alliance against him for condemning their teachings!
Matthew 23:1-36
In fact Jesus said Jerusalem will be condemned if these people don't forgo Judaism (the confused religious system they initiated decades after their return from Babylon) and accept Christianity! Matthew 23:37-38
That's why Jesus promised those who accepts Christianity that God's promise to Abraham's descendants regarding the rulership of the earth will not change but it's the center where the government house will be situated that will change. Instead of Jerusalem as proposed before Jesus and his co-rulers will move to another destination and from there they will rule the earth! John 14:1-3

Greenholics:


If a monkey which we all say is lower than man, can and will love their child no matter what, but you that call your self human ir higher animal will kick yojt child and your family out of yiur life, excommunicate, and treat them like stranger because they choose another religion other than the perfect one you think you choose....... then sir you are lower than a monkey.
( and that is me putting it respectfully)

Well that's exactly what the God of Israel said he will do to Israel if they go after other gods {Deuteronomy 7:4} so i'm not surprised if his Witnesses {Isaiah 43:10-12} are practicing such as He ordered them! Deuteronomy 13:6-11
So i can't accuse His worshipers because He knows the best reason why He ordered them to do so. But if you want more enlightenment on that i'm still available for you!

Greenholics:

So you willing to kick out your family over a book the white man gave to you? Same white man that enslaved your ancestors for pver 400 years? The same book that most of the text in it was written in Africa long before christianity ir judaism was even formed? You dont even know go do a research and expand your shallow mind. Mesopotamia book of the dead, your very wise solomon didnt even write the book of proverbs, it was actually written by the father, husband and son of the queen of sheba, yes same Queen of sheba in your bible that came to pay solomon a visit, she came woth those wrtting and gold Solomon usedbin building the temple ( don't take my words for it go look it up)

It's not about the people who brought the book but the benefits derived from practicing what is found written in the book.
For instance a medical personnel today is through learning and reading book from those who knows better. After the enlightenment gotten from the book he will never permit anyone to jeopardize his health no matter how closely related to him. He will kick out the person or leave the place where his health is at risk. But what led to such action? Well it's enlightenment!

Greenholics:

Africans dont read, thus anything the white man tells you... you will do. The white man will never treat his child like a stranger, same people thatbtold you spare the tod and spoil the chikd, but they dont beat thier kids..... but over here we beat our kids like animals and quote the bible to ease our conscience.
All over yiur bible its wrotten God is loce, love your neighbour etc....... but here i am an ifa worshipper teaching you about love. Such a shame

You're mistaken my friend!
It's civilization that's changing so many things not the white man, before now white men do bit their children but as the world is getting to the routine stage children are rebelling against such treatment and some people are taking it round the globe.
Jehovah's Witnesses don't condone such nonsense in our midst so no matter the country we come from we discipline our children to the right perspective!
Remember you're talking about what JWs do globally not what some does in Africa, that's why we are known globally as one big and happy family having the same line of thought! John 17:20-23

As for LOVE it doesn't relent from disciplining in righteousness! 2Timothy 3:16 compare to 1Corinthians 13:6

May you have PEACE!

MaxInDHouse:

That's why Jesus referred to money as "UNRIGHTEOUS" you're saying "it's not possible" because we are used to the wicked system. The business man will not give everyone equal pay because that's what Satan established after the fall of man.
Regarding the illustration you cited Jesus wasn't talking about the wages of workers their but more privilege of service as each is able to manage, the one who can't manage was sacked because he doesn't care about his master's business. This is talking about people claiming they are Christians but aren't ready to do the preaching and teaching work Jesus commissioned. Among Jehovah's Witnesses we have individuals recording over 100 hours of preaching and teaching monthly and we also have many who only report 5-10 hours monthly depending on their circumstances but the one who is inactive are those who only run after money and anxieties of life leaving the work completely.
If you're looking for an illustration regarding payment go and read what Jesus said in the Bible book of Matthew 20:1-15
According to Jesus everyone should earn the same that's when nobody can think of going to rob another. Remember it's because of the difference in pay that made some hire security guards with weapons to protect them from the less privileged. That's what this wicked system of things is promoting!



That's the system we find ourselves so Jesus is not condemning those who became rich due to the setting of this system rather he is telling them to concentrate on how to use it wisely not thinking of how to transfer it to someone simply because that one happens to be their child. So the wealthy in God's organization is useful for so many things keeping the organization going. You don't expect God's people to start sharing what was meant for the propagation of the Good News to members so that each can start planning how to enrich their own family nah! We are not Muslims that will gather money and start thinking of how to transfer it to our children. That's why your religion lacks the spirit of preaching and teaching. An average Muslim only focus on his nuclear family, no business with neighbours whether that one is a pagan or not, your people only become envious when they see other religions snatching their followers with preaching. Jehovah's Witnesses use the wealth to train all members to become effective preachers and teachers of God's word. We don't promote materialism!/

It was his underwear so we know that it's not man-made because there has never been any cloth in the history of mankind that's not sewed. The giving Jesus is talking about is not what you're practicing in your Islam where your people are becoming beggars everywhere all because they believe that the rich must give the poor, rather it's about assisting our fellow believers who have the love of pure worship to meet up with the requirements whether they have little or much, that's why each JW globally have quality Bible and other necessary materials to preach and teach no matter the condition of the country they live and you can never find one JW begging in the streets because it's an insult to our God!

The highlighted shows you don't understand what is happening at all, but i'll help you.
Ògún Priests do put on palm tree leaves and their members will be following their priest going from place to place, even though there are billionaires among them the priest will be asking passersby for money saying to whoever gives him money: "Ògún á gbè ọ́ ọ"
So don't even go there because my own mother come from the family of hunters who worships Ògún and i've followed her to their festivals several times when i was still around 7-10 years of age, i know that Ògún Priests have a day that they do put on their attire to go BEGGING in the streets!

You don't understand what we're discussing at all but i'll help you.
Things meant for the worship is not to be distributed because that's not the purpose for which it was gathered. Remember the poor widow that dropped two coins of little value in the treasury box? Jesus said she's the richest in the sight of God! Luke 21:2-4
The temple was built with gold and costly materials, yet this needy widow still contributed her two coins adding to the billions others are contributing and Jesus said she contributed more than everyone.
What point was he making?
Jesus is emphasizing that no worshiper of God should view the worship as a means of livelihood rather they are all there to contribute their quota not thinking of what they will get from the contributions, in fact Jesus said that's what really makes people happy from the bottom of their hearts knowing fully well that no matter the success of pure worship they are part and parcel of the contributors! Act 20:35
That's why Muslims aren't happy when they're not rich because they feel worthless as the names of contributors are announced with the megaphone while others comes unnoticed by everyone. In pure worship everyone counts because no matter our condition each person contributes to the success of pure worship!



When next you find people on social media ask them about their original.
I'm from the family of Ifádùbí in Abéòkúta so when i speak about African tradition i know more than you do. You're just an atheist who wants to raise an argument against Christianity. I saw this in your first move that's why i said "no matter the religion it is a million times better than atheism" i purposely called you out to enlighten you because i know you're not truly interested in Islam you just want to create a confusion among those claiming believers be it Christian or Muslim.
That's why you picked me out of all the commentators because i clearly knocked off atheism (your faculty)
So when i said "your religion" i just wanted to draw you out since you say you have chosen Islam, i know you're lying!
During ọdún ifá in any part of Africa the worshipers must put on white and the snail is their meet that period.
Odù ifá mélòó lo lè kì
Ṣé Èjì-ogbè ni àbí Ọ̀wọ́nri-wòrì ònílàjà Àkẹ̀sán?
My friend just keep your atheism if you don't want to have anything to do with worship i understand but coming to play on people's intelligence thinking you're smart will only work on misinformed Churchgoers and other religionists not Jehovah's Witnesses.
Our Bible is not from the Roman Catholic if you want to know the history of the Bible i can help you!


Just calm down and learn my friend, you still have a long way to go.
I purposely chose to deal with you because you think your lengthy comment will piss me off but i'm responding to expose you that you're not interested in any form of worship rather you're an atheist.
Abraham or Moses didn't establish any form of worship known as Judaism. I told you that Judaism started after the breaking of the kingdom of Israel into two region. The ten northern part began their own form of worship because their King doesn't want them to return to Jerusalem under the King of the southern kingdom. Both region were enslaved by foreigners and by the time they returned to their land they brought some of the cultures of their captors and inculcated into what Moses taught them. That's why the southern kingdom (Judah and Benjamin known as Jews) separated their own form of worship from the rest of Israel, that's what is known as Judaism.
Despite all these their worship has been polluted with Babylonian reasonings the only thing they have left that relates to the pure worship Solomon (the last king that ruled the whole twelve tribes) is their Temple but there is confusion because there were several sects each claiming they knew better.
So when Jesus arrived to establish pure worship permanently as Moses has foretold centuries before Jesus {Deuteronomy 18:15-18} all the rival sects in Judea formed alliance against him for condemning their teachings!
Matthew 23:1-36
In fact Jesus said Jerusalem will be condemned if these people don't forgo Judaism (the confused religious system they initiated decades after their return from Babylon) and accept Christianity! Matthew 23:37-38
That's why Jesus promised those who accepts Christianity that God's promise to Abraham's descendants regarding the rulership of the earth will not change but it's the center where the government house will be situated that will change. Instead of Jerusalem as proposed before Jesus and his co-rulers will move to another destination and from there they will rule the earth! John 14:1-3

Well that's exactly what the God of Israel said he will do to Israel if they go after other gods {Deuteronomy 7:4} so i'm not surprised if his Witnesses {Isaiah 43:10-12} are practicing such as He ordered them! Deuteronomy 13:6-11
So i can't accuse His worshipers because He knows the best reason why He ordered them to do so. But if you want more enlightenment on that i'm still available for you!



It's not about the people who brought the book but the benefits derived from practicing what is found written in the book.
For instance a medical personnel today is through learning and reading book from those who knows better. After the enlightenment gotten from the book he will never permit anyone to jeopardize his health no matter how closely related to him. He will kick out the person or leave the place where his health is at risk. But what led to such action? Well it's enlightenment!

You're mistaken my friend!
It's civilization that's changing so many things not the white man, before now white men do bit their children but as the world is getting to the routine stage children are rebelling against such treatment and some people are taking it round the globe.
Jehovah's Witnesses don't condone such nonsense in our midst so no matter the country we come from we discipline our children to the right perspective!
Remember you're talking about what JWs do globally not what some does in Africa, that's why we are known globally as one big and happy family having the same line of thought! John 17:20-23

As for LOVE it doesn't relent from disciplining in righteousness! 2Timothy 3:16 compare to 1Corinthians 13:6

May you have PEACE!

Ok how dod did satan after his fall "created" unequal pay in offices or businesses...

Greenholics:

Ok how dod did satan after his fall "created" unequal pay in offices or businesses...

That's why Jesus sent his disciples to come and teach you {Matthew 28:20} so that you can see where the problem of mankind started from.

@ Genesis 3:4-5 we read

At this the serpent said to the woman: “You certainly will not die. For God knows that in the very day you eat from it, your eyes will be opened and you will be like God, knowing good and bad.

Satan established a system where humans will rule like Gods over their kind, they will determine when you wake, when you'll sleep, where you'll live, what you'll eat, what you'll wear, where you can sit or stand, the level of your appearance and many more! Ecclesiastes 8:9
How? By the amount you earn!
Satan planned all these after man's fall and there is nothing God can do until the time allowed for Satan to prove what he said:

"Humans can live successfully without God's guidance"

So money was introduced by Satan to make some live like Gods while others are oppressed and trampled under foot like lowlife.
Now after thousands of years no human on this planet can doubt the fact that humans have failed woefully in ruling ourselves, in fact human rulership has brought excruciating pains on this planet! Ecclesiastes 4:1

That's why Jesus sent us out after training us to go and declare the Good News of God's coming Kingdom (Government) where everyone will receive equal payment throughout the earth and peace will reign globally as we will no longer follow this system of things rather everything will be shared EQUALLY!

Satan is the initiator of over 41,000 different sects claiming denominations of Christianity today, only one group belongs to Jesus the rest are under Satan's organization {Matthew 7:13-14} so as to complicate issues for people like you who will not calmly ask to know the difference between false religions and pure worship talkless of grasping the benefits of pure worship!

MaxInDHouse:

That's why Jesus referred to money as "UNRIGHTEOUS" you're saying "it's not possible" because we are used to the wicked system. The business man will not give everyone equal pay because that's what Satan established after the fall of man.
Regarding the illustration you cited Jesus wasn't talking about the wages of workers their but more privilege of service as each is able to manage, the one who can't manage was sacked because he doesn't care about his master's business. This is talking about people claiming they are Christians but aren't ready to do the preaching and teaching work Jesus commissioned. Among Jehovah's Witnesses we have individuals recording over 100 hours of preaching and teaching monthly and we also have many who only report 5-10 hours monthly depending on their circumstances but the one who is inactive are those who only run after money and anxieties of life leaving the work completely.
If you're looking for an illustration regarding payment go and read what Jesus said in the Bible book of Matthew 20:1-15
According to Jesus everyone should earn the same that's when nobody can think of going to rob another. Remember it's because of the difference in pay that made some hire security guards with weapons to protect them from the less privileged. That's what this wicked system of things is promoting!



That's the system we find ourselves so Jesus is not condemning those who became rich due to the setting of this system rather he is telling them to concentrate on how to use it wisely not thinking of how to transfer it to someone simply because that one happens to be their child. So the wealthy in God's organization is useful for so many things keeping the organization going. You don't expect God's people to start sharing what was meant for the propagation of the Good News to members so that each can start planning how to enrich their own family nah! We are not Muslims that will gather money and start thinking of how to transfer it to our children. That's why your religion lacks the spirit of preaching and teaching. An average Muslim only focus on his nuclear family, no business with neighbours whether that one is a pagan or not, your people only become envious when they see other religions snatching their followers with preaching. Jehovah's Witnesses use the wealth to train all members to become effective preachers and teachers of God's word. We don't promote materialism!/

It was his underwear so we know that it's not man-made because there has never been any cloth in the history of mankind that's not sewed. The giving Jesus is talking about is not what you're practicing in your Islam where your people are becoming beggars everywhere all because they believe that the rich must give the poor, rather it's about assisting our fellow believers who have the love of pure worship to meet up with the requirements whether they have little or much, that's why each JW globally have quality Bible and other necessary materials to preach and teach no matter the condition of the country they live and you can never find one JW begging in the streets because it's an insult to our God!

The highlighted shows you don't understand what is happening at all, but i'll help you.
Ògún Priests do put on palm tree leaves and their members will be following their priest going from place to place, even though there are billionaires among them the priest will be asking passersby for money saying to whoever gives him money: "Ògún á gbè ọ́ ọ"
So don't even go there because my own mother come from the family of hunters who worships Ògún and i've followed her to their festivals several times when i was still around 7-10 years of age, i know that Ògún Priests have a day that they do put on their attire to go BEGGING in the streets!

You don't understand what we're discussing at all but i'll help you.
Things meant for the worship is not to be distributed because that's not the purpose for which it was gathered. Remember the poor widow that dropped two coins of little value in the treasury box? Jesus said she's the richest in the sight of God! Luke 21:2-4
The temple was built with gold and costly materials, yet this needy widow still contributed her two coins adding to the billions others are contributing and Jesus said she contributed more than everyone.
What point was he making?
Jesus is emphasizing that no worshiper of God should view the worship as a means of livelihood rather they are all there to contribute their quota not thinking of what they will get from the contributions, in fact Jesus said that's what really makes people happy from the bottom of their hearts knowing fully well that no matter the success of pure worship they are part and parcel of the contributors! Act 20:35
That's why Muslims aren't happy when they're not rich because they feel worthless as the names of contributors are announced with the megaphone while others comes unnoticed by everyone. In pure worship everyone counts because no matter our condition each person contributes to the success of pure worship!



When next you find people on social media ask them about their original.
I'm from the family of Ifádùbí in Abéòkúta so when i speak about African tradition i know more than you do. You're just an atheist who wants to raise an argument against Christianity. I saw this in your first move that's why i said "no matter the religion it is a million times better than atheism" i purposely called you out to enlighten you because i know you're not truly interested in Islam you just want to create a confusion among those claiming believers be it Christian or Muslim.
That's why you picked me out of all the commentators because i clearly knocked off atheism (your faculty)
So when i said "your religion" i just wanted to draw you out since you say you have chosen Islam, i know you're lying!
During ọdún ifá in any part of Africa the worshipers must put on white and the snail is their meet that period.
Odù ifá mélòó lo lè kì
Ṣé Èjì-ogbè ni àbí Ọ̀wọ́nri-wòrì ònílàjà Àkẹ̀sán?
My friend just keep your atheism if you don't want to have anything to do with worship i understand but coming to play on people's intelligence thinking you're smart will only work on misinformed Churchgoers and other religionists not Jehovah's Witnesses.
Our Bible is not from the Roman Catholic if you want to know the history of the Bible i can help you!


Just calm down and learn my friend, you still have a long way to go.
I purposely chose to deal with you because you think your lengthy comment will piss me off but i'm responding to expose you that you're not interested in any form of worship rather you're an atheist.
Abraham or Moses didn't establish any form of worship known as Judaism. I told you that Judaism started after the breaking of the kingdom of Israel into two region. The ten northern part began their own form of worship because their King doesn't want them to return to Jerusalem under the King of the southern kingdom. Both region were enslaved by foreigners and by the time they returned to their land they brought some of the cultures of their captors and inculcated into what Moses taught them. That's why the southern kingdom (Judah and Benjamin known as Jews) separated their own form of worship from the rest of Israel, that's what is known as Judaism.
Despite all these their worship has been polluted with Babylonian reasonings the only thing they have left that relates to the pure worship Solomon (the last king that ruled the whole twelve tribes) is their Temple but there is confusion because there were several sects each claiming they knew better.
So when Jesus arrived to establish pure worship permanently as Moses has foretold centuries before Jesus {Deuteronomy 18:15-18} all the rival sects in Judea formed alliance against him for condemning their teachings!
Matthew 23:1-36
In fact Jesus said Jerusalem will be condemned if these people don't forgo Judaism (the confused religious system they initiated decades after their return from Babylon) and accept Christianity! Matthew 23:37-38
That's why Jesus promised those who accepts Christianity that God's promise to Abraham's descendants regarding the rulership of the earth will not change but it's the center where the government house will be situated that will change. Instead of Jerusalem as proposed before Jesus and his co-rulers will move to another destination and from there they will rule the earth! John 14:1-3

Well that's exactly what the God of Israel said he will do to Israel if they go after other gods {Deuteronomy 7:4} so i'm not surprised if his Witnesses {Isaiah 43:10-12} are practicing such as He ordered them! Deuteronomy 13:6-11
So i can't accuse His worshipers because He knows the best reason why He ordered them to do so. But if you want more enlightenment on that i'm still available for you!



It's not about the people who brought the book but the benefits derived from practicing what is found written in the book.
For instance a medical personnel today is through learning and reading book from those who knows better. After the enlightenment gotten from the book he will never permit anyone to jeopardize his health no matter how closely related to him. He will kick out the person or leave the place where his health is at risk. But what led to such action? Well it's enlightenment!

You're mistaken my friend!
It's civilization that's changing so many things not the white man, before now white men do bit their children but as the world is getting to the routine stage children are rebelling against such treatment and some people are taking it round the globe.
Jehovah's Witnesses don't condone such nonsense in our midst so no matter the country we come from we discipline our children to the right perspective!
Remember you're talking about what JWs do globally not what some does in Africa, that's why we are known globally as one big and happy family having the same line of thought! John 17:20-23

As for LOVE it doesn't relent from disciplining in righteousness! 2Timothy 3:16 compare to 1Corinthians 13:6

May you have PEACE!

You said this


"That's why Jesus referred to money as "UNRIGHTEOUS"


Then said

So the wealthy in God's organization is useful for so many things keeping the organization going.



What are u trying to say sir, so now God need unrighteousness to push the word of God? I dont get you shouls shed more light




" you don't expect God's people to start sharing what was meant for the propagation of the Good News" like you rightl said to propagate the gospel, not to build a billion dollar office and real estate or to buy private jet like the Pentecostal pastors do in 9ja.



With a billions dollars building sold to get an even bigger place nope! Jw dont promote materialism, your leaders actually practise it..lol



Is this " It was his underwear so we know that it's not man-made because there has never been any cloth in the history of mankind that's not sewed" from your bible or from history or just what you think?



https://www.britannica.com/topic/textile

This is a like to show you that woven garment from from top to bottom without sowing has been in existence long beifre Jesus was born...... i work with fact and figures not sentiment or ignore, study research sir, it aill help you its its very important.



Initially you thought i was a Christian not you think i am a muslim, ok let me ask you a question.... why do you hate muslims?


You can help your brother and leave the Muslim that are begging to beg, mind you the wealthest man in 9ja is a Muslim.

Your bible says love your neighbour as yourself, but your religion makes you understand that it is only Jw you can love.


You said this
" An average Muslim only focus on his nuclear family, no business with neighbours whether that one is a pagan or not"


Then you said this

" rather it's about assisting our fellow believers who have the love of pure worship to meet up with the requirements whether they have little or much"

Why are you blaming the muslims for doing something you are doing too?

You said they dont care about thier Neighbors you dont care about yours too.... its the same thing ao why do you have an issue with that. They don't kick family members out or treat them like stranger over religion difference. So take a sit.


" and you can never find one JW begging in the streets because it's an insult to our God " have you seen a babalawo beg on the street? Have you seen a jew beg? When people go to bed they dont carry thier religion banner on thier head, so you cant tell... the only way you tell if the beggers is from the north or a Muslim is because of thier dress. So take a sit dont boast about wealth now after saying it evil. You are blowing hot and cold.




Ignorance is a bastard sha let me educate your ignorance, first a masquerade is inbeded deeply in Our culture and when Masquerade seek money from people its more like a contribution, you know how your ppl ask the person they are preaching to, to support with any amount? Same thing masquerade does, and masquerade is mit an ogun priest... go read about yiur culture or that of yiur father. And now let me tel uou what happens if you give them money they take it back tonthe shrine and pray for financial growth for the givers, and mind you masquerade only come out when a festival or spiritual exercise is going on..... now let me prove to you that a masquerade is not an ogun priest because all over 9ja in the east and north they have masquerade and Ogun is mainly popular and worshiped in the west........... so stop the lies, not everything you think in yout head a true, you say stuff without proof, is that what you are thought in JW?

They teach you guys this false narrative, to make you hate everyone, you are witha phone, information is available to you online, read! Read! And read.... it will help.









A billion dollar property is already too big, why sell it make poor people that cant even feed 3 squaee meal in 9ja donate money to get a bogger building?

Besides the Jesus you claim to be following, did even have a place to rest his head, he was preaching from a boat amd open field and yet he touched the world, if a billion dollar estate is needed to preach or spread the gospel i also think Nigerian pastors buying jet are justified, beside the jet is cheaper than a billion dollar and its needed to fly all ovèr the world spreading the gospel.... unlike a building.... what do u think?



Sir i doubt if you know a thing about IFA tradition, you were born and raised a muslim even if you like add i am ifa to your name, name means nothing if you havent read booksx dont research and practice ifa you know nothing, and your first give away is that you think because you have ifa to your name and you are yoruba so you know ifa no! You dont because ifa (Africa traditional worship) was practised all ober Africa, not just in the yoruba land, and it was even brought to the west from Ethiopia and Egypt... so tale a sit.





You see you are getting in wrong, i dont hate christianity neither am i trying to raise an argument against it, because first this post is about islam, i have read the Quran for the 3 time and i wanted to discuss with our muslim brother about some part mot clear to me, but you just here to distract us.

If i hate christianity how come i quoted BIBLE verse and evem talk about Jesus ? You are about and trying to attack my person because a single grain of truth is crushing your mountain of lies, my only issues is the dogma you practise and not even in your bible, go read all my post.



If you think i am an atheist that is your opinion and you are entitled to it, it doesn't mean its the truth tho.also i have seen atheists with love in thier earth and loving everyone including thier family not minding of thier family members are Christians and not treating thier kids like stranger ober religion, I persoanlly dont judge a man by is religion, i jusge him buy is character, words, actions and his believer system.


If you think being a muslim ir Christian is better than atheist, its your opinion and you are entitled to it, it doesn't necessarily makes it a fact, besides most of your opinion on this matter is not coming from a position of knowledge, so its ok, and in head i know you said that as an insult thinking it will get me triggered...lol
And that says alot, because of you are not hwre to tell us how nice your religion is, you came here to "flex" my (religion is better than yours) that didnt work, then you started trying to win an argument, now that isnt working either you are trying to insult or trigger me and that is absolutely ok by me but also back up your claim with proof from the bible or a verifiable source that is an authority, because from tge start of our back and fort you haven't given me any fact all you do is quite bible verse out of context, but when you get caught you jumo to another topic....lol





You see what ignorance does? I am not close minded like you, i am an Educated black man, this i can entertain an idea without accepting it, i read the Quran for the 3rd time and i wanted to discuss with so we talk and rob minds without any argument or insulting thuer religion, if you check our intial post with some Muslim itbwas respect and civil.



You said this

" i purposely called you out to enlighten you because i know you're not truly interested in Islam"


Then you said

"That's why you picked me out of all the commentators"


You are confuse sir, also go check our intial post, i responded to all comments, as amatter of fact some 2 muslim scholars send me a Dm here and now we talking via WhatsApp sharing ideas, also i choose islam because there is a difference between muslim and islam (ignorace is bad) Islam means submitting to the will of God..... just like if an arabic Christian says " allahu akbar " you will say he is a muslim, because you don't he is saying "God is the greatest " in his own tribe being Arabic..... get knowledge and in all thy getting get wisdom!


Isnt it ironic you are mow now claiming Ifa and Jw in 1 breath, i am playing smart? You are the one playing smart like you said you attacked me to get mt attention right? You are the one playing games all i did was ask questions amd show you the double standard and lies in your head with verified proof and you are already throwing a tantrum,




Oh yes you have to help my ignorance, tell me where the jw bible came from, also add verifable proof to that ok?

MaxInDHouse:

That's why Jesus referred to money as "UNRIGHTEOUS" you're saying "it's not possible" because we are used to the wicked system. The business man will not give everyone equal pay because that's what Satan established after the fall of man.
Regarding the illustration you cited Jesus wasn't talking about the wages of workers their but more privilege of service as each is able to manage, the one who can't manage was sacked because he doesn't care about his master's business. This is talking about people claiming they are Christians but aren't ready to do the preaching and teaching work Jesus commissioned. Among Jehovah's Witnesses we have individuals recording over 100 hours of preaching and teaching monthly and we also have many who only report 5-10 hours monthly depending on their circumstances but the one who is inactive are those who only run after money and anxieties of life leaving the work completely.
If you're looking for an illustration regarding payment go and read what Jesus said in the Bible book of Matthew 20:1-15
According to Jesus everyone should earn the same that's when nobody can think of going to rob another. Remember it's because of the difference in pay that made some hire security guards with weapons to protect them from the less privileged. That's what this wicked system of things is promoting!



That's the system we find ourselves so Jesus is not condemning those who became rich due to the setting of this system rather he is telling them to concentrate on how to use it wisely not thinking of how to transfer it to someone simply because that one happens to be their child. So the wealthy in God's organization is useful for so many things keeping the organization going. You don't expect God's people to start sharing what was meant for the propagation of the Good News to members so that each can start planning how to enrich their own family nah! We are not Muslims that will gather money and start thinking of how to transfer it to our children. That's why your religion lacks the spirit of preaching and teaching. An average Muslim only focus on his nuclear family, no business with neighbours whether that one is a pagan or not, your people only become envious when they see other religions snatching their followers with preaching. Jehovah's Witnesses use the wealth to train all members to become effective preachers and teachers of God's word. We don't promote materialism!/

It was his underwear so we know that it's not man-made because there has never been any cloth in the history of mankind that's not sewed. The giving Jesus is talking about is not what you're practicing in your Islam where your people are becoming beggars everywhere all because they believe that the rich must give the poor, rather it's about assisting our fellow believers who have the love of pure worship to meet up with the requirements whether they have little or much, that's why each JW globally have quality Bible and other necessary materials to preach and teach no matter the condition of the country they live and you can never find one JW begging in the streets because it's an insult to our God!

The highlighted shows you don't understand what is happening at all, but i'll help you.
Ògún Priests do put on palm tree leaves and their members will be following their priest going from place to place, even though there are billionaires among them the priest will be asking passersby for money saying to whoever gives him money: "Ògún á gbè ọ́ ọ"
So don't even go there because my own mother come from the family of hunters who worships Ògún and i've followed her to their festivals several times when i was still around 7-10 years of age, i know that Ògún Priests have a day that they do put on their attire to go BEGGING in the streets!

You don't understand what we're discussing at all but i'll help you.
Things meant for the worship is not to be distributed because that's not the purpose for which it was gathered. Remember the poor widow that dropped two coins of little value in the treasury box? Jesus said she's the richest in the sight of God! Luke 21:2-4
The temple was built with gold and costly materials, yet this needy widow still contributed her two coins adding to the billions others are contributing and Jesus said she contributed more than everyone.
What point was he making?
Jesus is emphasizing that no worshiper of God should view the worship as a means of livelihood rather they are all there to contribute their quota not thinking of what they will get from the contributions, in fact Jesus said that's what really makes people happy from the bottom of their hearts knowing fully well that no matter the success of pure worship they are part and parcel of the contributors! Act 20:35
That's why Muslims aren't happy when they're not rich because they feel worthless as the names of contributors are announced with the megaphone while others comes unnoticed by everyone. In pure worship everyone counts because no matter our condition each person contributes to the success of pure worship!



When next you find people on social media ask them about their original.
I'm from the family of Ifádùbí in Abéòkúta so when i speak about African tradition i know more than you do. You're just an atheist who wants to raise an argument against Christianity. I saw this in your first move that's why i said "no matter the religion it is a million times better than atheism" i purposely called you out to enlighten you because i know you're not truly interested in Islam you just want to create a confusion among those claiming believers be it Christian or Muslim.
That's why you picked me out of all the commentators because i clearly knocked off atheism (your faculty)
So when i said "your religion" i just wanted to draw you out since you say you have chosen Islam, i know you're lying!
During ọdún ifá in any part of Africa the worshipers must put on white and the snail is their meet that period.
Odù ifá mélòó lo lè kì
Ṣé Èjì-ogbè ni àbí Ọ̀wọ́nri-wòrì ònílàjà Àkẹ̀sán?
My friend just keep your atheism if you don't want to have anything to do with worship i understand but coming to play on people's intelligence thinking you're smart will only work on misinformed Churchgoers and other religionists not Jehovah's Witnesses.
Our Bible is not from the Roman Catholic if you want to know the history of the Bible i can help you!


Just calm down and learn my friend, you still have a long way to go.
I purposely chose to deal with you because you think your lengthy comment will piss me off but i'm responding to expose you that you're not interested in any form of worship rather you're an atheist.
Abraham or Moses didn't establish any form of worship known as Judaism. I told you that Judaism started after the breaking of the kingdom of Israel into two region. The ten northern part began their own form of worship because their King doesn't want them to return to Jerusalem under the King of the southern kingdom. Both region were enslaved by foreigners and by the time they returned to their land they brought some of the cultures of their captors and inculcated into what Moses taught them. That's why the southern kingdom (Judah and Benjamin known as Jews) separated their own form of worship from the rest of Israel, that's what is known as Judaism.
Despite all these their worship has been polluted with Babylonian reasonings the only thing they have left that relates to the pure worship Solomon (the last king that ruled the whole twelve tribes) is their Temple but there is confusion because there were several sects each claiming they knew better.
So when Jesus arrived to establish pure worship permanently as Moses has foretold centuries before Jesus {Deuteronomy 18:15-18} all the rival sects in Judea formed alliance against him for condemning their teachings!
Matthew 23:1-36
In fact Jesus said Jerusalem will be condemned if these people don't forgo Judaism (the confused religious system they initiated decades after their return from Babylon) and accept Christianity! Matthew 23:37-38
That's why Jesus promised those who accepts Christianity that God's promise to Abraham's descendants regarding the rulership of the earth will not change but it's the center where the government house will be situated that will change. Instead of Jerusalem as proposed before Jesus and his co-rulers will move to another destination and from there they will rule the earth! John 14:1-3

Well that's exactly what the God of Israel said he will do to Israel if they go after other gods {Deuteronomy 7:4} so i'm not surprised if his Witnesses {Isaiah 43:10-12} are practicing such as He ordered them! Deuteronomy 13:6-11
So i can't accuse His worshipers because He knows the best reason why He ordered them to do so. But if you want more enlightenment on that i'm still available for you!



It's not about the people who brought the book but the benefits derived from practicing what is found written in the book.
For instance a medical personnel today is through learning and reading book from those who knows better. After the enlightenment gotten from the book he will never permit anyone to jeopardize his health no matter how closely related to him. He will kick out the person or leave the place where his health is at risk. But what led to such action? Well it's enlightenment!

You're mistaken my friend!
It's civilization that's changing so many things not the white man, before now white men do bit their children but as the world is getting to the routine stage children are rebelling against such treatment and some people are taking it round the globe.
Jehovah's Witnesses don't condone such nonsense in our midst so no matter the country we come from we discipline our children to the right perspective!
Remember you're talking about what JWs do globally not what some does in Africa, that's why we are known globally as one big and happy family having the same line of thought! John 17:20-23

As for LOVE it doesn't relent from disciplining in righteousness! 2Timothy 3:16 compare to 1Corinthians 13:6

May you have PEACE!

I am very intrested in this part of Judaism..


I have some questions i pray you dont avoid them and answer, i am not arguing here not fighting i just want to know.


1) what tear did the kingdom of isreal divide into two


2) You said they were captured and brought the spirituality of thier captors who captured them?


3) the added it to what mises taught them, ok what did moses teach them?


First Matthew 23 isnt talking about Judaism, it was about the scribes and the pharisees the leaders sitting on Moses chair, not againt the religious itself, stop quoting stuff out of context read the whole verse.



Matthew 14 didnt aay anything about moving from the Headquarters (let me put it that way) out Jerusalem to another place and them overcome the world no!! Stop stop lying and quoting bibke verses, do you think people here dont have bible to verify ? JESUS and his disciples leave because herod was looking to get them arrested, same herod that arrested and beheaded john the baptist that same time..... come on stop the lies.


Matthew 14: 12- 13 says " John’s disciples came and took his body and buried it. Then they went and told Jesus, When Jesus heard what had happened, he withdrew by boat privately to a solitary place. Hearing of this, the crowds followed him on foot from the towns.



Isnt this funny, the story of Judaism did you just firmed it in ur head or it was taught in kingdom hall? Why dont you back up this story of yours woth verifiable proof?







" Well that's exactly what the God of Israel said he will do to Israel if they go after other gods {Deuteronomy 7:4} so i'm not surprised if his Witnesses {Isaiah 43:10-12} are practicing such as He ordered them! Deuteronomy 13:6-11
So i can't accuse His worshipers because He knows the best reason why He ordered them to do so. But if you want more enlightenment on that i'm still available for you! " ........ oh i thought your bibke ask you not to judge and kesve it for God, and also

isaiah 43 didnt command anyone to excommunication or kick out family, maybe you shoikd copy the verse and post it here because, Isaiah 43 talk3d about Gid eung the redeemer and the only God.



Deuteronomy 13: 6 -11..... didnt ask you to kick them out or treat them like strangers, it ask you to kull them..... since you really want to claim ita what God asked you to do, hence you should kill them instead, if u get mind...lol

This the verse what is says

"  x“If your brother, the son of your mother, or your son or your daughter or ythe wife you embrace2 or your friend zwho is as your own soul entices you secretly, saying, ‘Let us go and serve other gods,’ awhich neither you nor your fathers have known, 7 some bof the gods of the peoples who are around you, whether near you or far off from you, from the one end of the earth to the other, 8 you shall cnot yield to him or listen to him, nor dshall your eye pity him, nor shall you spare him, nor shall you conceal him. 9 But you shall kill him. eYour hand shall be first against him to put him to death, and afterward the hand of all the people. 10 fYou shall stone him to death with stones, because he sought to draw you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery. 11 And gall Israel shall hear and fear and never again do any such wickedness as this among you" .

You remember this but forget what was said about love in the new testament of your own bible... what a shame! A Christian that does not read his bible, you dont even follow what your own bible says, when you font read your own bible anything you are told you just believe, thats a shallow mind .... and i was here engaging you thinking you know what you are doing.

Hahaahahaahahahahahaha...... me that you called an atheist is the same me now teaching you, your bible... lol



This is the last time i will give you attention, when you read your bible, then you can go to search fir any of my post and i fight for mt attention, i am here to realte and discuss smart mind, not thise that cant read. Peace be unto you too.

Greenholics:

You said this
"That's why Jesus referred to money as "UNRIGHTEOUS"
Then said
So the wealthy in God's organization is useful for so many things keeping the organization goingl

When God created the earth the purpose is for man and beasts to live in peace where man will dominate over the unintelligent creatures as we are created to make things better and make better things unlike animals that can't think to improve in anything. That's what it means when the Bible said "God created humans in His own image" Genesis 1:26
The only no go area for humans is the right to rule over themselves as in setting standards for right and wrong. Genesis 2:17
Satan never created anything so what we are using to make life better doesn't come from Satan it all belongs to God. Then how come Satan is the author of inequality? Satan initiated the idea that man supposed to rule themselves without God's intervention, that is why some are getting richer and billions are getting poorer leading to desperation, envy and hatred. That is the system of Satan not God. So when humans living under Satan's system now come together to gather what other humans are fighting and killing themselves for to organize themselves in a peaceful atmosphere then Satan is put to shame. 1John 3:8

Greenholics:

Isnt it ironic you are mow now claiming Ifa and Jw in 1 breath, i am playing smart? You are the one playing smart like you said you attacked me to get mt attention right? You are the one playing games all i did was ask questions amd show you the double standard and lies in your head with verified proof and you are already throwing a tantrum,

When you meet people it's wise to calm down and know their level of understanding before running to conclusion. I've been to many aspects including traditional religion before i got to know that only Jehovah's Witnesses are on the path to life. So you can't hide under Ifá to tell me the Bible is fake, i know about ifá and the spirits behind the mythology, they are demons pretending to be angels of light. Test each spirit by allowing them to guide humans then see the result in the midst of their adherents, if they orderly and well organized to resolve issues amicably without raising weapons against one another then know that it's the spirit of God who is LOVE {1John 4:8} but if you're not careful you can never find the flaws because these are higher intelligent beings who knows how to cover their tracks perfectly. The only thing they can never do is gather humans and make them cohabit peacefully without the use of force or weapons!

Greenholics:

Oh yes you have to help my ignorance, tell me where the jw bible came from, also add verifable proof to that ok?

The source of something may be difficult to decipher it's benefits will stand as evidence to prove whether it's from a good or bad source~ Jesus of Nazareth Matthew 7:16-18

So with the situation of things in the world today, what we need is not just another religion having gestures or acts of devotion but a form of worship that will bring lasting peace and harmony in the gathering of imperfect humans from different races across the globe. No matter what anyone says you and i are not that daft to be deceived by what is not benefitial in our society.
Jehovah's Witnesses have proved beyond every reasonable doubt that the Bible is from God. How? With that book they have been to all the countries on this planet to gather people from different cultures and traditions, they have turned them into peaceloving people, they have made them preachers (people working for peace in their neighbourhood), they have erased racism and politics from their hearts, they have uprooted military services and use of weapons from their brains! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

Today i am 52 years old i don't need any storyteller or professor to convince me that the book this group used to achieve all that is from the God of LOVE!

MaxInDHouse:

When God created the earth the purpose is for man and beasts to live in peace where man will dominate over the unintelligent creatures as we are created to make things better and make better things unlike animals that can't think to improve in anything. That's what it means when the Bible said "God created humans in His own image" Genesis 1:26
The only no go area for humans is the right to rule over themselves as in setting standards for right and wrong. Genesis 2:17
Satan never created anything so what we are using to make life better doesn't come from Satan it all belongs to God. Then how come Satan is the author of inequality? Satan initiated the idea that man supposed to rule themselves without God's intervention, that is why some are getting richer and billions are getting poorer leading to desperation, envy and hatred. That is the system of Satan not God. So when humans living under Satan's system now come together to gather what other humans are fighting and killing themselves for to organize themselves in a peaceful atmosphere then Satan is put to shame. 1John 3:8

When you meet people it's wise to calm down and know their level of understanding before running to conclusion. I've been to many aspects including traditional religion before i got to know that only Jehovah's Witnesses are on the path to life. So you can't hide under Ifá to tell me the Bible is fake, i know about ifá and the spirits behind the mythology, they are demons pretending to be angels of light. Test each spirit by allowing them to guide humans then see the result in the midst of their adherents, if they orderly and well organized to resolve issues amicably without raising weapons against one another then know that it's the spirit of God who is LOVE {1John 4:8} but if you're not careful you can never find the flaws because these are higher intelligent beings who knows how to cover their tracks perfectly. The only thing they can never do is gather humans and make them cohabit peacefully without the use of force or weapons!


The source of something may be difficult to decipher it's benefits will stand as evidence to prove whether it's from a good or bad source~ Jesus of Nazareth Matthew 7:16-18

So with the situation of things in the world today, what we need is not just another religion having gestures or acts of devotion but a form of worship that will bring lasting peace and harmony in the gathering of imperfect humans from different races across the globe. No matter what anyone says you and i are not that daft to be deceived by what is not benefitial in our society.
Jehovah's Witnesses have proved beyond every reasonable doubt that the Bible is from God. How? With that book they have been to all the countries on this planet to gather people from different cultures and traditions, they have turned them into peaceloving people, they have made them preachers (people working for peace in their neighbourhood), they have erased racism and politics from their hearts, they have uprooted military services and use of weapons from their brains! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

Today i am 52 years old i don't need any storyteller or professor to convince me that the book this group used to achieve all that is from the God of LOVE!

I was not going to answer you, but because of your age i will....... Weldon sir i greet you.



But lets gist, how come you know all these stories how Judaism came to be and thr origin of the bible without any source or proof? That means it was formed by you.....


But if you wish to know the origin of Judaism i will tell you with proof in history, theology and even in your bible.



Also if you wish to know how that bible of yours came from the roman catholic church i will show you as well with verified proof, in history and connect it to your bible..... so dont say "my bible is not from the Roman catholic church" that is just sentiment, it change ls nothing!!! Facts dosent care about your feelings.


A man of your age should not be reasoning sentiment, and all i have been trying to tell you is that mindset that everyone outside of your religion is evil and trying to corrupt or hurt you is not true.



And that is my 2cent, you either take it or don't no be fight.

Greenholics:

I was not going to answer you, but because of your age i will....... Weldon sir i greet you.
But lets gist, how come you know all these stories how Judaism came to be and thr origin of the bible without any source or proof? That means it was formed by you.....
But if you wish to know the origin of Judaism i will tell you with proof in history, theology and even in your bible.
Also if you wish to know how that bible of yours came from the roman catholic church i will show you as well with verified proof, in history and connect it to your bible..... so dont say "my bible is not from the Roman catholic church" that is just sentiment, it change ls nothing!!! Facts dosent care about your feelings.
A man of your age should not be reasoning sentiment, and all i have been trying to tell you is that mindset that everyone outside of your religion is evil and trying to corrupt or hurt you is not true.
And that is my 2cent, you either take it or don't no be fight.

Please spare me further stories, so far it has produced what mankind needed to solve the problems causing racism and politics on this planet i believe the book is from God!

MaxInDHouse:


Please spare me further stories, so far it has produced what mankind needed to solve the problems causing racism and politics on this planet i believe the book is from God!

Thank God there is peace, no more racism and political issues in the world.....lol

Greenholics:

Thank God there is peace, no more racism and political issues in the world.....lol

That's what we are telling people throughout the earth, no members of Jehovah's Witnesses is carrying weapons anywhere on this planet for the purpose of fighting in support of any country or race.
It's our God that established such peace in our midst, so if all the religions on this planet can do the same then there will be total peace.
This means that it's other religions that are to be held responsible for the killings due to racism and politics going on around the world today JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES aren't part of them! John 15:19

MaxInDHouse:
It's common for people to declare they're not participating in some common traditions and customs for various reasons, though such changes often result in fierce opposition by friends and families whose lives are engulfed in such traditions.
The only way forward is to ask the person questions about his or her sudden change. Could such change bring any physical benefits?
Will it not deprive others of their rights as family members?
Does the change only relate to faith and things relating to faith alone?
Are others who aren't interested in the faith safe?

This Igbo man converted to Islam (for reasons best known to him) but the attitude of all those around him changed to the extent that they all left him due to his new found faith.

So my question is How can people reconcile Faith or Change with tolerance?

With the above post i'm sure you can now see that JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES don't hate anyone.
You are our neighbour no matter your religion but you can't expect us to relate with you the same way we will relate with our neighbours with whom we share the same beliefs.
That's the point!

Greenholics:










I was not going to answer you, but because of your age i will....... Weldon sir i greet you.



But lets gist, how come you know all these stories how Judaism came to be and thr origin of the bible without any source or proof? That means it was formed by you.....


But if you wish to know the origin of Judaism i will tell you with proof in history, theology and even in your bible.



Also if you wish to know how that bible of yours came from the roman catholic church i will show you as well with verified proof, in history and connect it to your bible..... so dont say "my bible is not from the Roman catholic church" that is just sentiment, it change ls nothing!!! Facts dosent care about your feelings.


A man of your age should not be reasoning sentiment, and all i have been trying to tell you is that mindset that everyone outside of your religion is evil and trying to corrupt or hurt you is not true.



And that is my 2cent, you either take it or don't no be fight.

A man of your age should not be reasoning sentiment, and all i have been trying to tell you is that mindset that everyone outside of your religion is evil and trying to corrupt or hurt you is not true

Na wetin im religious teachers teach am cause am.

Also if you wish to know how that bible of yours came from the roman catholic church i will show you as well with verified proof, in history and connect it to your bible..... so dont say "my bible is not from the Roman catholic church" that is just sentiment, it change ls nothing!!! Facts dosent care about your feelings

Max will still come and say they came out of BABYLONIAN the GREAT and the those they see as principal officer of BABYLON the GREAT is the ROMAN CATHOLIC.

He can choose to deny

Dear Greenholics, i am prepared to share more thoughts with you if you care, but as for the other commentator it's written in the Bible that once we know where he belongs we must not engage him no matter what he say! Romans 16:17; 2John 1:10-11

May you have PEACE!

MaxInDHouse:


That's what we are telling people throughout the earth, no members of Jehovah's Witnesses is carrying weapons anywhere on this planet for the purpose of fighting in support of any country or race.
It's our God that established such peace in our midst, so if all the religions on this planet can do the same then there will be total peace.
This means that it's other religions that are to be held responsible for the killings due to racism and politics going on around the world today JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES aren't part of them! John 15:19

Ok while that might be true, the bible you read isnt..... the God that established peace for jw is it the same God in the bible that commanded war, killing and blood shed all over the bible? Because it doesn't add up .

MaxInDHouse:


With the above post i'm sure you can now see that JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES don't hate anyone.
You are our neighbour no matter your religion but you can't expect us to relate with you the same way we will relate with our neighbours with whom we share the same beliefs.
That's the point!

That is not true, but when the person is a former JW you treat worse than strangers even if they are family members, same you that said you will treat your family (kids and relatives) as strangers if any left JW?

With you guys supremacy mindset, they tell you guys you are supreme etc then put fear in you guys to stop you guys from leaving............... like you rightly said religion is created for the sole purpose to control people using fear....and e ticing them for reward after life.


Also you saod something about african traditions being demonic, can you prove that outside the bible? Nope! B4 the roman catholic twisted version of Abrahamic religion especially christianity Africa religion was not seen as being demonic.



Also i have a question, there is a part i dont get you guys say human sacrifice is bad and all that ok maybe (because human life is precious and sacred according to Ifa) but can you tell me the difference between the crucifixion of Jesus and Ancient africa tradition pf human sacrifice?


Because to me they both look like same thing, ancient African do human sacrifice to cleanse the land and the people off evil.......... Jesus died to cleanse the people off thier sin and brig bring them to redemption and you guys even then decide to eat his body in the name of holy communion...... can you please shed more light on this.

Greenholics:

Ok while that might be true, the bible you read isnt..... the God that established peace for jw is it the same God in the bible that commanded war, killing and blood shed all over the bible? Because it doesn't add up .

I believe you're a Yorùbá man/woman and you should know our adage that says:

"Agbọ́ ẹjọ́ ẹnìkan dájọ́ àgbà òṣìkà ni"

So instead of concluding that since the God of Israel supported wars and killings in the past He can't be justified as the same God promoting peace now, why not ask for the reason for such seemingly double standard?

That's what a real Yorùbá man will ask first not just concluding that there's no reason for a good person to act violently!

Greenholics:

That is not true, but when the person is a former JW you treat worse than strangers even if they are family members, same you that said you will treat your family (kids and relatives) as strangers if any left JW? With you guys supremacy mindset, they tell you guys you are supreme etc then put fear in you guys to stop you guys from leaving............... like you rightly said religion is created for the sole purpose to control people using fear....and e ticing them for reward after life.

It's impatience that makes you run to a wrong conclusion each time you listen to someone's comment. So try to know the motive behind a comment before running to a conclusion. Is it not the same me you said i hate Muslims that's now feeling bad for an unjust treatment of a Muslim? So calm down and reason in order to know the reason for what people say not just pick a comment and capitalize on that.

A stranger who never studied the Bible with us before is a million times better than the person who said he/she is no longer interested in our group after vowing to be a member till death. WHY?
Jehovah's Witnesses don't rush nor force anyone into taking the decision to join us, we take our time to study with a friend even if it will takes a decade before such a person decides to become a member we will be patient with him. We want each person to be sure of what we are doing in the organization before taking the step to become one of us.
Moreover we don't take someone who is underage seriously unless you're of age.
So after knowing all the rules that makes us different from all other religions and can see that this is the only religion where force, weapons, racism or politics is not promoted whatever makes you say you're leaving our group means something is wrong somewhere that's why we will treat you like one who has just been infected with an infectious disease so we will quarantine you!
One thing most people don't realize is that if a disfellowshiped person can find a better performing group out there than JWs just come back and tell us and i assure you that 80% of us will leave this organization to join you because we're not tied down rather we want the best. But the problem is disfellowshiped ones don't have anything better to offer they just want us to leave our global family of peace loving worshipers, that's why we say they're worse than those who never studied the Bible with us

Greenholics:

Also you saod something about african traditions worship being demonic, can you prove that outside the bible? Nope! B4 the roman catholic twisted version of Abrahamic religion especially christianity Africa religion was not seen as being demonic.

It's not just African form of worship but all the forms of worship on this planet except that which comes from Israel!
It's their origin that's bad not those who are born and raised in it because they don't know the source. Romans are pagans not Christians so don't think Roman Catholic has anything to do with real Christianity. Jesus never support politics and Roman Catholic is about politics!

Greenholics:

Also i have a question, there is a part i dont get you guys say human sacrifice is bad and all that ok maybe (because human life is precious and sacred according to Ifa) but can you tell me the difference between the crucifixion of Jesus and Ancient africa tradition pf human sacrifice? Because to me they both look like same thing, ancient African do human sacrifice to cleanse the land and the people off evil.......... Jesus died to cleanse the people off thier sin and brig bring them to redemption and you guys even then decide to eat his body in the name of holy communion...... can you please shed more light on this.

Jesus is not human but a spirit whose life was transformed into the womb of his earthly mother so he was fully prepared to lay down his life for the salvation of mankind. The people been sacrificed by other religions are innocent people who came to marry, have children and live normal lives like everyone else. Jesus already knew why he's here that's why he was teaching his disciples about what he has come to do. For instance when he told them the purpose of his coming one of them rebuked him saying "such will never be your portion" well Jesus called that disciples "Satan" {Matthew 16:21-23} so it's totally different from what demons are doing in other cultures killing people who has come to live their normal lives. Jesus never came to live a normal life that's why he could say by the time his mission was accomplished "it is finished" John 19:30

Wicked spirits are making mockery of human lives because they want us to feel worthless as we see our fellowman who has come to live a normal life been sacrificed simply because he/she happens to be a stranger in our midst which could also happen to us too if we find ourselves as strangers in another place.

So it's not the same thing at all!

Greenholics:

Ok while that might be true, the bible you read isnt..... the God that established peace for jw is it the same God in the bible that commanded war, killing and blood shed all over the bible? Because it doesn't add up .

The Bible is like a document authored by our Creator to present his case before sincere and honest hearted individuals so if you're not open-minded you can't understand many of the things written in that book.

Let's take the case of God commanding WARS, KILLINGS and BLOOD SHED.

After the fall of man out of Eden Satan began ruling the earth, but himself alone can't control the whole earth without the support of other spirit sons of God. So he convinced them to rebel against God's orders by introducing a way they could put on materialised bodies and start enjoying sex with female humans. {Genesis 6:1-2} God disengaged those rebellious angels {1Peter 3:19-20} and Satan now have more idle hands to support him, to cut the long story short that's how many unseen mighty spirit beings became Gods in different locations on this planet.
Abraham and his father were also worshipers of these demons before the true God decided to introduce Himself God looked round and saw that Abraham is a faithful person so God called Abraham, introduced Himself and promised Abraham that He will always be with Abraham! Genesis 12:1-3
Later after Abraham's third generation had suffered as slaves in Egypt for 400 years God decided to pick a place for His own worshipers to establish pure worship. But first He need to send a warning message to all the worshipers of fallen angels (demons) that the Almighty God wants to organize His own worshipers.
That's why He continue putting up with Pharaoh's stubbornness otherwise God could have removed the breath of life from Pharaoh but for the whole world to know that the God of Israel is the Almighty He sent an octogenarian (Moses) down to Egypt without the backing of any military and delivered the Israelites with great signs and wonders.
Then He sent an angel to lead them through the wilderness until they got close to the land where He promised them, all the nations that has been warriors were easily conquered by the Israelites who have been slaves all their lives in Egypt and their God kept going with them proving His Mightiness.
During that time all the inhabitants of the earth have the same line of thought that the mightiest nation has the backing of the mightiest God so ask yourself what exactly kept those nations planning to face the Israelites whose God has proved to be the mightiest of all Gods?
A woman named Rahab said something that i'll like you to read and meditate upon @ Joshua 2:8-13

She proves by her words and actions that all those nations were wicked people and they deserve to die for turning against what all of them believed which is the Mightiest army has the backing of the world's Mightiest God.

A nation back then known as Gibeonites took the initiative to come and plead with the Israelites because they're convinced beyond every reasonable doubt that the Israelites had the backing of the world's Mightiest God! Joshua 9:3-21

God only wanted a small portion (Canaan) not all the earth to establish pure worship, he never asked the Israelites to go and force other nations to accept their form of worship NO but these people kept coming to attack Israel havin heard all the Mighty works this God did both in Egypt and the Red Sea. Back then Egypt was the world's Mightiest nation so there's no place on this planet where the news didn't reach that a God not (two or three) singlehandedly came from nowhere and delivered a multitude of people from the hand of the world's mightiest nation without any military force!

Please judge for yourself between the true God of Israel and those nations back then, who is the WICKED one?

May you have PEACE!

MaxInDHouse:

The Bible is like a document authored by our Creator to present his case before sincere and honest hearted individuals so if you're not open-minded you can't understand many of the things written in that book.

Let's take the case of God commanding WARS, KILLINGS and BLOOD SHED.

After the fall of man out of Eden Satan began ruling the earth, but himself alone can't control the whole earth without the support of other spirit sons of God. So he convinced them to rebel against God's orders by introducing a way they could put on materialised bodies and start enjoying sex with female humans. {Genesis 6:1-2} God disengaged those rebellious angels {1Peter 3:19-20} and Satan now have more idle hands to support him, to cut the long story short that's how many unseen mighty spirit beings became Gods in different locations on this planet.
Abraham and his father were also worshipers of these demons before the true God decided to introduce Himself God looked round and saw that Abraham is a faithful person so God called Abraham, introduced Himself and promised Abraham that He will always be with Abraham! Genesis 12:1-3
Later after Abraham's third generation had suffered as slaves in Egypt for 400 years God decided to pick a place for His own worshipers to establish pure worship. But first He need to send a warning message to all the worshipers of fallen angels (demons) that the Almighty God wants to organize His own worshipers.
That's why He continue putting up with Pharaoh's stubbornness otherwise God could have removed the breath of life from Pharaoh but for the whole world to know that the God of Israel is the Almighty He sent an octogenarian (Moses) down to Egypt without the backing of any military and delivered the Israelites with great signs and wonders.
Then He sent an angel to lead them through the wilderness until they got close to the land where He promised them, all the nations that has been warriors were easily conquered by the Israelites who have been slaves all their lives in Egypt and their God kept going with them proving His Mightiness.
During that time all the inhabitants of the earth have the same line of thought that the mightiest nation has the backing of the mightiest God so ask yourself what exactly kept those nations planning to face the Israelites whose God has proved to be the mightiest of all Gods?
A woman named Rahab said something that i'll like you to read and meditate upon @ Joshua 2:8-13

She proves by her words and actions that all those nations were wicked people and they deserve to die for turning against what all of them believed which is the Mightiest army has the backing of the world's Mightiest God.

A nation back then known as Gibeonites took the initiative to come and plead with the Israelites because they're convinced beyond every reasonable doubt that the Israelites had the backing of the world's Mightiest God! Joshua 9:3-21

God only wanted a small portion (Canaan) not all the earth to establish pure worship, he never asked the Israelites to go and force other nations to accept their form of worship NO but these people kept coming to attack Israel havin heard all the Mighty works this God did both in Egypt and the Red Sea. Back then Egypt was the world's Mightiest nation so there's no place on this planet where the news didn't reach that a God not (two or three) singlehandedly came from nowhere and delivered a multitude of people from the hand of the world's mightiest nation without any military force!

Please judge for yourself between the true God of Israel and those nations back then, who is the WICKED one?

May you have PEACE!

They are many fallacies and personally manufactured ideology or explanations here but i dont want to go back and forth over that.

Ok so the all powerful God had to use humans to fight his battles? Amd thise he used many died in the process ok.... ok no problem


And also king David alone fought 66 battles and half of that didnt even come to attack his or his kingdom.


Just like a time when the Roman conquered the world and Rome was the centre of the world..... it wasnt a thing of defence it was a thing of domination.