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Re: The True Identity Of Bonny/Opobo People Facts Versus Fiction by BKayy: 6:57pm On Nov 28, 2021 |
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Re: The True Identity Of Bonny/Opobo People Facts Versus Fiction by BKayy: 6:59pm On Nov 28, 2021 |
Ekealterego:This brings back memories. Igbo women are priceless 20 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: The True Identity Of Bonny/Opobo People Facts Versus Fiction by DitariDisciple2: 7:22pm On Nov 28, 2021 |
9Pluto: That's never ever Opobo name. Why are they not under Ibo socia-cultural organizations ![]() But are in all Ijaw own. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The True Identity Of Bonny/Opobo People Facts Versus Fiction by DitariDisciple2: 7:23pm On Nov 28, 2021 |
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Re: The True Identity Of Bonny/Opobo People Facts Versus Fiction by 9Pluto(m): 7:27pm On Nov 28, 2021 |
DitariDisciple2: Here is proof. 6 Likes 1 Share
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Re: The True Identity Of Bonny/Opobo People Facts Versus Fiction by mrvitalis(m): 7:30pm On Nov 28, 2021 |
oyatz:This one done change mouth 16 Likes |
Re: The True Identity Of Bonny/Opobo People Facts Versus Fiction by OfoIgbo: 7:36pm On Nov 28, 2021 |
Ekealterego: Thanks for sharing this. My grandfather and his elder brother were MGBURU-ICHIs. It is a part of the Ikenga cult and in the past, to be an Eze NRI or or an Ogiso, or an Attah or an ancient Benin oba, the person must be an MGBURU-ICHI. Eze NRI was their oga kpatakpata 17 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: The True Identity Of Bonny/Opobo People Facts Versus Fiction by DitariDisciple2: 7:40pm On Nov 28, 2021 |
9Pluto: That's a lie. It was created by ibos. Why are they not in any Ibo socia-cultural organizations, but are in all Ijaw own till today. 3 Likes |
Re: The True Identity Of Bonny/Opobo People Facts Versus Fiction by Igboid: 7:45pm On Nov 28, 2021 |
The Ottam were the Ndoki. Nwotam is said to have been invented by the Ottams. 13 Likes |
Re: The True Identity Of Bonny/Opobo People Facts Versus Fiction by Igboid: 7:49pm On Nov 28, 2021 |
The Ama-Onye-nabo relationship to the two kings who reigned at same time in Bonny is so on point. I had always insisted that Amayanabo is an Igbo word. I couldn't just explain how it became a title for a king. The OP have done great justice to that. 28 Likes 4 Shares |
Re: The True Identity Of Bonny/Opobo People Facts Versus Fiction by Igboid: 7:54pm On Nov 28, 2021 |
Igboid: Either this or the Ottam were another proto Cross River group Indigenous to the area currently called Ndokiland, and Bonny, and Opobo, that the Ndoki people assimilated when they arrived the area. In which case, the Ottam no longer exists today, but exists in the blood of every Ndoki man. Just like the Neanderthal never went on extinction but were rather assimilated by the homo sapiens we call Caucasians today. So they continue to exist but inside the blood of Caucasians. 9 Likes |
Re: The True Identity Of Bonny/Opobo People Facts Versus Fiction by Pass11: 8:01pm On Nov 28, 2021 |
DitariDisciple2:Anybody can belong to ijaw national council as long as 100 hungry people from the place come together, that is according to your ijaw constitution, infact we will soon register nairaland as part of ijaw we are 80 people now just waiting for more 20 people to sign up 27 Likes 4 Shares
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Re: The True Identity Of Bonny/Opobo People Facts Versus Fiction by Ekealterego: 8:02pm On Nov 28, 2021 |
SlayerForever:For the Bretches, this is why archaeology and Museums are important. See this mask. I believe it's Igbo-Ukwu or around those areas. See this Igbo art dated by scientists to the 9th century (1100 years ago). This is the same facial marks for those set of Igbo men. 19 Likes 2 Shares
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Re: The True Identity Of Bonny/Opobo People Facts Versus Fiction by Ekealterego: 8:04pm On Nov 28, 2021 |
Pass11:Make it 81, i will help out too. 20 Likes 3 Shares
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Re: The True Identity Of Bonny/Opobo People Facts Versus Fiction by Pass11: 8:06pm On Nov 28, 2021 |
Ekealterego:Ok more 19 people to go ![]() 20 Likes 2 Shares
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Re: The True Identity Of Bonny/Opobo People Facts Versus Fiction by Igboid: 8:07pm On Nov 28, 2021 |
oyatz: They can't change without language change. For example, the town called Igbide in Isokoland Delta State have a history of migrating from Mgbidi in Imo state and Awka in Anambra state. But today they no longer speak Igbo as mother tongue and so can nolonger be called Igbo. For this reason, you will never see Ndiigbo claim them. If Bonny and Opobo were not speaking Igbo language as mother tongue, Ndiigbo will not be claiming them, even if they have history of migration from Igboland. So nope! Ethnicity is not an artificial construct. Ethnicity is built on ancestral origin and woven together by shared dialects of a common language. You can't be claiming to be a member of same ethnicity with a people you can't communicate with without using another foreign language. That's deception. The Ijaws know that language is important, that is why they are busy forcing Bonny and Opobo people to stop speaking their Indigenous Igbo language and instead start learning a fraudulent language from Kalabari that they call Ibani. 30 Likes 4 Shares |
Re: The True Identity Of Bonny/Opobo People Facts Versus Fiction by Igboid: 8:08pm On Nov 28, 2021 |
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Re: The True Identity Of Bonny/Opobo People Facts Versus Fiction by DitariDisciple2: 8:10pm On Nov 28, 2021 |
Pass11: The next thing wey remain for you is to pull clothes and enter road. The people that enter already have oil. If they want money, e already dey their land. Your frustrations end here. 1 Like |
Re: The True Identity Of Bonny/Opobo People Facts Versus Fiction by Ekealterego: 8:13pm On Nov 28, 2021 |
Igboid:I guess, by the time their language was collected in 1848 by clarke, you could tell they were at least Igbos or something close to the Igbos. It was confusing also because some part of the language was kind of close to Ibibios too. Another thing is that the historically collected names of some of these people might have changed. At least, some changed. The Alinsaw or Alinso recorded by Tabot and older historians have changed to Egbema I think. Eleme was recorded as Mboli (the Arochukwu's settlers' name for what we now call Eleme9. In older books, they were called Mba oli or Mbolli 4 Likes
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Re: The True Identity Of Bonny/Opobo People Facts Versus Fiction by Pass11: 8:16pm On Nov 28, 2021 |
DitariDisciple2:How can my frustration end here when I'm planning on how to become ijaw man with 99 others, your constitution said it all so we are coming with Kai Kai and pure ijaw dry gin ![]() ![]() Asawan my brother 24 Likes 2 Shares
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Re: The True Identity Of Bonny/Opobo People Facts Versus Fiction by Igboid: 8:16pm On Nov 28, 2021 |
Ekealterego: Yeah. They were probably already assimilated by Ndokis by then and were Ibo, but still have one or two vestiges of their original Cross River language. Yeah. Alinso is now Egbema. But the still call themselves Egbema Alinso. 11 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The True Identity Of Bonny/Opobo People Facts Versus Fiction by SlayerForever: 8:21pm On Nov 28, 2021 |
Igboid: Since I've been reading that name it is only now the meaning came to me. Ama onye n'abuo. Kingdom of two rulers oooohhhhhh 22 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: The True Identity Of Bonny/Opobo People Facts Versus Fiction by Ekealterego: 8:23pm On Nov 28, 2021 |
Igboid:You are right. I checked the description again and they mentioned that there were 3 different sets of Otams. The languages collected in some parts are ibo, while one of the samples are definitely Cross-River. 12 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: The True Identity Of Bonny/Opobo People Facts Versus Fiction by SlayerForever: 8:24pm On Nov 28, 2021 |
Ekealterego: Mba oli like single town? 8 Likes |
Re: The True Identity Of Bonny/Opobo People Facts Versus Fiction by SlayerForever: 8:27pm On Nov 28, 2021 |
Let us disseminate this new information far and wide. The Ijaw kings all have Igbo names! Ama onye n'abuo! And they have been saying it is their title! 21 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The True Identity Of Bonny/Opobo People Facts Versus Fiction by Idafire: 8:33pm On Nov 28, 2021 |
Another day, another thread about the Ijaws. I wonder how some of you ibos think that you could own a land as far away as bonny n Opobo. And the OP have the nerve to say Opobo is an Ibo word for son. Hahahaha. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Wonders shall never end. No one can tell the history of a place more than the people. What shall I say.....?? OP, and the rest of you miscreants, continue. Bonny n Opobo are Ijaw lands. Normal online noise Hope to see another Ijaw thread tomorrow morning as I wake. 4 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: The True Identity Of Bonny/Opobo People Facts Versus Fiction by Igboid: 8:34pm On Nov 28, 2021 |
SlayerForever: According to Eleme Wikipedia page. The full name was "Mbaolli iche" meaning a single special country. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eleme_people Eleme are basically Ogoni people who mixed with Aros and lost their Ogoni flavor and now don't consider themselves Igbo(Aro) or Ogoni, but want to be independent. Their saving grace is that they retained their original Ogoni language. If they were Igboid speaking, we would be wanting them to reconnect to us through Aros. The Aro influence on Eleme is retained in Igbo names some of them of Aro origin bear till this day. Look at the names of Eleme important personalities on Wikipedia. See Dimkpa and other Igbo names there. 4 Likes
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Re: The True Identity Of Bonny/Opobo People Facts Versus Fiction by PROUDIGBO(m): 8:36pm On Nov 28, 2021 |
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Re: The True Identity Of Bonny/Opobo People Facts Versus Fiction by ChinenyeN(m): 8:40pm On Nov 28, 2021 |
Igboid: I was going to remark on this, but it seems you corrected yourself. This would be it. I can provide a bit more context. The Otam as a people are from the Cross River region. They were decimated during the slave trade and there would be various small pockets of them outside of their homeland in Cross River. The Otam were not Ndoki. There are a number of things we can look at to determine this, especially by examining the reports and memoirs of various ship captains, missionaries etc. To first thing to note, the existence of Ndoki as a community is new. You won't see this name in any reports or memoirs written before the late 18th century. Instead, you will see Ndoki acknowledged in a number of reports much later in the 19th century, and where Ndoki does show up, it is easily identified in ship reports, memoirs and missionary journals as part of the soon-to-be-identified "Ibo country". The second thing to note is that Otam is never conflated with Ndoki in any of these writings. In fact, Otam shows up earlier in many reports, because Otam people were a heavy source or slaves shipped out of the Bight of Bonny. This means the Otam people were obviously well-known in Bonny, and we see no documentation where Bonny people confuse Otam with Ndoki or otherwise relate Otam with Ndoki. The third thing is that as a consequence of having very intimate dealings with Bonny, Europeans also would not have confused Otam with Ndoki. In fact, I've seen someone (or some people) in thread severally post screenshots of the writings of Rev. John Clarke to talk about Otam. I do not know those who posted the screenshots actually ever read the work by him, but he distinguishes Otam from Ndoki. Some brief bio on Rev. Clarke. He actually never stepped foot on Bonny (or Nigeria for that matter, if I recall correctly). The closest he got was to Bioko (Fernando Po), but in 1840s, even he could tell the difference between Ndoki and Otam, meaning that the distinction was common knowledge. So the excerpt that someone has used to identify Otam as Igbo people is actually a misnomer. It is likely the case of assimilation, due to having been decimated by the slave trade and needing to take refuge in other parts of the Lower Niger where they settled. 5 Likes |
Re: The True Identity Of Bonny/Opobo People Facts Versus Fiction by Ekealterego: 8:44pm On Nov 28, 2021 |
Igboid:The name "Kamalu" is as ancient Aro/Bende as it can be. Today, it is now shortened to "Kalu" or "Kanu" but some areas in Abia state still maintain the full version "Kamalu" and "Kamanu", especially Ukwa areas of Asa and Ndoki. 13 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The True Identity Of Bonny/Opobo People Facts Versus Fiction by Igboid: 8:45pm On Nov 28, 2021 |
Ekealterego: Yes. I noticed that too. 10 Likes |
Re: The True Identity Of Bonny/Opobo People Facts Versus Fiction by ChinenyeN(m): 8:48pm On Nov 28, 2021 |
9Pluto: No, this would be incorrect. It's actually well established that the Amanyanabo system in Bonny comes from Kalabari. Okrika and Bonny adopted the Amanyanabo system by the 17th century. It is an Ijaw expression, not Igbo. 5 Likes 1 Share |
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