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Re: The True Identity Of Bonny/Opobo People Facts Versus Fiction by DitariDisciple2: 11:52pm On Nov 28, 2021 |
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Re: The True Identity Of Bonny/Opobo People Facts Versus Fiction by SlayerForever: 11:52pm On Nov 28, 2021 |
No be only Perekule na periwinkle 13 Likes
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Re: The True Identity Of Bonny/Opobo People Facts Versus Fiction by Igboid: 11:54pm On Nov 28, 2021 |
Ekealterego:You stopped him right in his tracks. We are talking about pre civil war and pre colonial history. The woman is bringing out historical Fabrications and nonsense edited by Alagoa. You can imagine the temerity. ChinenyeN, if you have any decent neutral publication, preferably written before 1914 that shows the existence of Amayanabo in Kalabari area prior to Bonny, post it here now. The ball is in your court. 13 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The True Identity Of Bonny/Opobo People Facts Versus Fiction by Putindbutt: 11:59pm On Nov 28, 2021 |
bomb24:It doesn't matter that the language of the slaves was adopted as a lingua franca on a slave trading port?.. Ibos made up a large number of slaves supply. |
Re: The True Identity Of Bonny/Opobo People Facts Versus Fiction by ChinenyeN(m): 12:00am On Nov 29, 2021 |
Ekealterego: It's like we're saying the same thing here. You're simply rehashing my statement. Ekealterego: It seems you misunderstand the point of my statement. The point is simply this: Europeans, due to their extensive slave trading contact with Kalabari and then Bonny, were not ignorant of which groups from the interior. In fact, the Europeans did not need to venture into the interior to get information about these communities, because they could record all they needed from their dealings at Kalabari and Bonny slave markets. Between the 16th - 18th centuries, virtually every group within the Lower Niger passed through Kalabari and Bonny slave markets. Europeans purchased them, catalogued and documented them. These documents include reports and memoirs. Ekealterego: I've dived into this subject multiple times here on NL and also provided recommendations for people to use in researching these points. I won't debate this with you. Rather, I'll simply make the following recommendations. Afigbo's writings within the Ropes of Sand serialization. Talbot and Mulhall's works on Physical Anthropology in the Lower Niger region. Akwaranwa's publication on the politico-cultural history of the Ngwa and Ukwa regions. |
Re: The True Identity Of Bonny/Opobo People Facts Versus Fiction by Igboid: 12:00am On Nov 29, 2021 |
SlayerForever: The Perekule thing is ridiculous. They corrupted King Pepple to Perekule. These people are good at historical distortions. I learnt the other day that the top flowing gown we have come to associate Ijaw and other Niger Delta groups with that GEJ wore alot was actually originally called "Eighty Bucks", because that was how much it cost to acquire them those days from the whites. The illiterate Ijaws Ijawnized the "Eighty Bucks" to "Etibo". And now they claim "Etibo" to be Ijaw dress. 23 Likes 4 Shares |
Re: The True Identity Of Bonny/Opobo People Facts Versus Fiction by ChinenyeN(m): 12:01am On Nov 29, 2021 |
Ekealterego: You can't possibly think that these references do not also base their works on other, older references as well, both administrative sources, Native Court era documentation, documentary evidence from Portuguese and Spanish traders, etc. The references I gave are due to their nature in providing the chronology and summary of the events. If you seek specific details, feel free to read the bibliographies of these texts as any normal academic would do. 1 Like |
Re: The True Identity Of Bonny/Opobo People Facts Versus Fiction by SlayerForever: 12:02am On Nov 29, 2021 |
Igboid: Mamma mia! 12 Likes |
Re: The True Identity Of Bonny/Opobo People Facts Versus Fiction by ChinenyeN(m): 12:04am On Nov 29, 2021 |
9Pluto: Then I implore you to indulge yourself in reading the bibliographies of these text to find the references you are looking for. |
Re: The True Identity Of Bonny/Opobo People Facts Versus Fiction by Igboid: 12:05am On Nov 29, 2021 |
ChinenyeN: The Onus is on you to provide it here for us. You are the one making the claim. The burden of proof rests squarely on you. 20 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: The True Identity Of Bonny/Opobo People Facts Versus Fiction by ChinenyeN(m): 12:07am On Nov 29, 2021 |
Igboid: I have already provided that. Unless you want to proclaim now that you do not know how the academia works. Enyi, just feel free to go and peer-review the already peer-reviewed works of these authors and see what their bibliographies list. It's not that hard. |
Re: The True Identity Of Bonny/Opobo People Facts Versus Fiction by Igboid: 12:08am On Nov 29, 2021 |
ChinenyeN: Madam leave Alagoa and his distortions alone and post precolonial or Colonial or even pre civil war neutral sources proving your points here. You can screen shot the pages of the book and post here. We are waiting. 17 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: The True Identity Of Bonny/Opobo People Facts Versus Fiction by Igboid: 12:09am On Nov 29, 2021 |
ChinenyeN: You have provided nothing. I have no interest in Alagoa works as I am fully aware that they are nothing but historical distortions that was done post civil war. I'm demanding a neutral colonial or even pre civil war documents supporting your claims here. If you have non, you can as well go and sleep madam. 16 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: The True Identity Of Bonny/Opobo People Facts Versus Fiction by ChinenyeN(m): 12:11am On Nov 29, 2021 |
If you're patient enough to wait for me to paste screenshots, then you're patient enough to search up the digitized works by the author, dates and publication names I provided. It's not that hard. Feel free to demand as much as you want, but I won't go out of my way to provide more than what I believe I need to. |
Re: The True Identity Of Bonny/Opobo People Facts Versus Fiction by SlayerForever: 12:12am On Nov 29, 2021 |
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Re: The True Identity Of Bonny/Opobo People Facts Versus Fiction by Igboid: 12:18am On Nov 29, 2021 |
ChinenyeN: Madam. Ibu ogbu oge. Ijiro Okwu. 18 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: The True Identity Of Bonny/Opobo People Facts Versus Fiction by Ekealterego: 12:21am On Nov 29, 2021 |
ChinenyeN: I know we have some areas of alignment. However, I have to raise a few objections. 1. Can you mention just one memoir from New Kalabar and Bonny between 1700 - 1810? Just one! This is except for Barbot article on "Old Calabar" in 1706? Barbot was in Old Calabar, "Dony (Andoni), cricke/creek, Bandy (Bonny) and around the area. Is there any other account or recorded and preserved memoir? one laden with ethnological accounts. 2. I have referenced and uploaded all Talbot said about Ndoki and there is no place where it mentioned Ndoki being a relatively recent settlement. Talbot even being the oldest of most of the excerpts I uploaded. 13 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The True Identity Of Bonny/Opobo People Facts Versus Fiction by bomb24: 12:21am On Nov 29, 2021 |
Putindbutt: low Iq clown, how can the language of the slaves be adopted by the aboriginals of the land is that logical to you? as tiny as the olukumis are in delta state totally surrounded by the aniomas they were still able to retain their language so why is bonny and opobo case different, to date there are no traces of ijo lexicons in there language but rather, there is a deliberate move by the ijos to change their language from Igbo to ijo language.. you need to stop living in denial the ijos were the latter to inhabit the land. the Igbos were once and to-date rulers of the Islands you and your people can't isolate that history never! their language, culture and their written historical ties to the Igbos will forever burn your soul. 19 Likes 4 Shares |
Re: The True Identity Of Bonny/Opobo People Facts Versus Fiction by ChinenyeN(m): 12:22am On Nov 29, 2021 |
Igboid: I maala bya agu ta i maa? It's really not that hard, my friend. 1 Like 2 Shares |
Re: The True Identity Of Bonny/Opobo People Facts Versus Fiction by Igboid: 12:24am On Nov 29, 2021 |
ChinenyeN: Enyia write in standard Igbo. 13 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: The True Identity Of Bonny/Opobo People Facts Versus Fiction by ChinenyeN(m): 12:26am On Nov 29, 2021 |
Ekealterego: ChinenyeN: I will not get into a discussion of attrition with you all. Go and read the bibliographies. |
Re: The True Identity Of Bonny/Opobo People Facts Versus Fiction by Ekealterego: 12:27am On Nov 29, 2021 |
Igboid: And you know what? I understand Ngwa 100%, in fact no Igbo man from any corner of Igbo land that will not understand Ngwa, but he willfully write unnecessary twists and self-generated spellings and alphabets to trick you into thinking otherwise. Here is a very fast Ngwa speaker. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnyKkman_KE 13 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: The True Identity Of Bonny/Opobo People Facts Versus Fiction by ChinenyeN(m): 12:28am On Nov 29, 2021 |
Ekealterego: Oh boy. Here we go again. Yeah, at this point, you all aren't going to get another response from me. I am not willing to expend my stamina beyond this point. |
Re: The True Identity Of Bonny/Opobo People Facts Versus Fiction by Ekealterego: 12:33am On Nov 29, 2021 |
ChinenyeN:You have NONE!! There are no memoirs between that period written about visits to Bonny, Calabar, Kalabari. 12 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: The True Identity Of Bonny/Opobo People Facts Versus Fiction by Putindbutt: 12:39am On Nov 29, 2021 |
bomb24:Bonny is a mix tribe. The culture and titles are ijohs. Slave trade brought ibos from the interior to Bonny. Mbanaso was installed as a king by his ijoh master. Olukumi have been igbonized even though they aren't ibos. The large concentration of ibos in a given area gives them undue advantage over the less peopled minorities. The fact remains that the abolishment of slave trade in 1801 gave ibos the leeway as freed slaves in Bonny, prior to 1801, ibos were the largest supplier of slaves. It was for purpose of slavery that brought ibos to Bonny. 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The True Identity Of Bonny/Opobo People Facts Versus Fiction by Ekealterego: 12:40am On Nov 29, 2021 |
Igboid:There is a theory I have, but just from historical observation, how their name changed over time. I mean the Wakirike people. Barbot recorded the name as Creke or something like that. (I will check the right spelling later) but it started with C, and one could pronunce it as "Creeke" or "Creek". I feel Kirike is a corruption of the word "Creek" or a Portuguese or Latin base meaning of the word "Creek". The dialectical word for "Nwa" in that area is "Wa". I think that's why they are called, "Wakirike". "Child of the Creeks". I just hazard that guess, but a logical one from the records of how the names were recorded. Just like how parts of New Calabar became "Kalabari" N.B. This is my personal observation. 14 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: The True Identity Of Bonny/Opobo People Facts Versus Fiction by Putindbutt: 12:43am On Nov 29, 2021 |
ChinenyeN:Facts are sacred. |
Re: The True Identity Of Bonny/Opobo People Facts Versus Fiction by Igboid: 12:44am On Nov 29, 2021 |
Ekealterego: I lived in Abayi Aba for 4yrs. Of course, I understand Ngwa very well. Ngwa is not a difficult dialect for an Anambra man to understand. When I came to this forum newly, I made it obvious to Obiagu1, Onlytruth,Andrew Uweh, Dede1, and some other Igbo guys around here then that the character ChinenyeN Igbo claim is in doubt. My hypothesis is that she is a non Igbo woman married into Ngwa. Yes, she is a woman, atleast she doesn't deny that one. 13 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The True Identity Of Bonny/Opobo People Facts Versus Fiction by Igboid: 12:45am On Nov 29, 2021 |
Ekealterego: It makes sense. Wakirike and Wa-creek. Good observation. Considering how Pepple turned to Perekule and Eighty Bucks turned to Etibo, Wa-creek being the original word for Wakirike is not far fetched at all. 11 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: The True Identity Of Bonny/Opobo People Facts Versus Fiction by Ekealterego: 12:46am On Nov 29, 2021 |
Putindbutt:What brought Ijohs there... Same accounts showed that Ijohs were brought as slaves there, including the Cross-River people like the "Otams". The reason why Igbos were numerous was because they were the majority in terms of population from that area. They outnumbered every other group numerically by almost 10 to 1. Again, the Aros, and Abams (who are Igbos) were prolific slave merchants. However, most of the books that talked about the first settlers traced it to Igbos. 16 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: The True Identity Of Bonny/Opobo People Facts Versus Fiction by SlayerForever: 12:49am On Nov 29, 2021 |
Ekealterego: Nwa creek!!!!!! 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The True Identity Of Bonny/Opobo People Facts Versus Fiction by Igboid: 12:49am On Nov 29, 2021 |
Ekealterego: Good reply. 8 Likes 1 Share |
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