In Nigeria, abortion is legal when it is performed to save the life of a woman...

I came across a thread asking, 'Would you abort an unborn child if you find out it has Down syndrome'?...

Under what circumstance(s) would you abort an unborn child or encourage someone else to do so?

Why else should abortion be legalized in Nigeria?

Freedom of choice?

Situations where the pregnancy is a result of a crime such as rape or incest?

Cases where the child would have genetic, mental or physical defects?

If the parents can not adequately provide for the child? For example, poverty.

If the mother isn't physically, emotionally or psychologically capable of raising the child.

Criminalising it doesn't prevent women from having abortions?

It would reduce the mortality rates of women who have unsafe abortions in the hands of unqualified persons?

Population control?


Etc...


Note: this isn't a thread for religious fanatics...or those who are overly righteous...

But for those open-minded and willing to contribute meaningfully...

Mynd44
Lalasiclala.

When bringing the child to this world would plunge the child into suffering and deep poverty.

People keep looking for excuses to do all sorts of evil all in the name of avoiding responsibility. Nonsense

Hmmmmmn! This is pretty tough!
Abortion is a coded name for 'Murder', in other words, snuffing life out of a prospective child without it having been formed beyond the embryo level or a bit otherwise. So, I'm totally against it.

But, circumstances where it might be considered necessary include;

Product of incestry.
Product of rape especially by a degenerate.

1. Pregnancy as a result of rape.
2. Pregnancy of a minor.
3. Based on medical reason; where the life of a mother can be threatened or a deformed foetus.

funshint:
1. Pregnancy as a result of rape.
2. Pregnancy of a minor.
3. Based on medical reason; where the life of a mother can be threatened or a deformed feotus.

You've said it all Comrade, use this Sprite hold body

I think when the mother's life is at risk.
The baby should be terminated, it's better to lose the baby than lose the mother.

In cases like down syndrome and all other genetic factor, it's the child's right to live. Though its a tough decision, a child with genetic deformation is very difficult and not easy to handle especially when the parents are not financially capable.

Our Earnest prayers is to bring into this world Healthy children that we can Carter for and they would love respect honor THeir parents and neighbor

J.K cares

SmellySperm:

You've said it all Comrade, use this Sprite hold body

That's some lean.

All I know is I ain't bringing no kid into this world until I want to. And I ain't gonna bring no imbëcile into this world.

MufasaLion:
All I know is I ain't bringing no kid into this world until I want to. And I ain't gonna bring no imbëcile into this world.

Same here...

Ammishaddai:
People keep looking for excuses to do all sorts of evil all in the name of avoiding responsibility. Nonsense

Life isn't black and white...

It's not just a matter of avoiding ones responsibilities... But not even being able to handle them...

Poverty for example... Would you encourage a couple (married or not) to not terminate the pregnancy when they aren't able to adequately care for the child?

Or women who aren't psychologically stable?

Abortion is definitely better than throwing newborn babies in gutters and waste bins...

Datboredberry:
Same here...

Smart you!

Datboredberry:
In Nigeria, abortion is legal when it is performed to save the life of a woman...

I came across a thread asking, 'Would you abort an unborn child if you find out it has Down syndrome'?...

Under what circumstance(s) would you abort an unborn child or encourage someone else to do so?

Why else should abortion be legalized in Nigeria?

Freedom of choice?

Situations where the pregnancy is a result of a crime such as rape or incest?

Cases where the child would have genetic, mental or physical defects?

If the parents can not adequately provide for the child? For example, poverty.

If the mother isn't physically, emotionally or psychologically capable of raising the child.

Criminalising it doesn't prevent women from having abortions?

It would reduce the mortality rates of women who have unsafe abortions in the hands of unqualified persons?

Population control?


Etc...


Note: this isn't a thread for religious fanatics...or those who are overly righteous...

But for those open-minded and willing to contribute meaningfully...

Mynd44
Lalasiclala.

this is an ethical dilemma. I am tired of arguing those.

Usually by the time one is finding out about a child with down syndrome, pregnancy is in 2nd trimester which makes medical/ surgical abortion more difficult.

There's also a small chance that the scan might be wrong.
Down syndrome is compatible with life. Something like anencephaly on the other hand, I would not think twice about inducing labor. l saw a case in an ultrasound I was assisting to do last year. It was quite terrible

I would advise the couple to discuss their options. Are they ready to be caretakers for the rest of their lives and the trauma that brings?!

smartasuen:
Hmmmmmn! This is pretty tough!
Abortion is a coded name for 'Murder', in other words, snuffing life out of a prospective child without it having been formed beyond the embryo level or a bit otherwise. So, I'm totally against it.

But, circumstances where it might be considered necessary include;

Product of incestry.
Product of rape especially by a degenerate.

there's other cases you know?!

Datboredberry:
Life isn't black and white...

It's not just a matter of avoiding ones responsibilities... But not even being able to handle them...

Poverty for example... Would you encourage a couple (married or not) to not terminate the pregnancy when they aren't able to adequately care for the child?

Or women who aren't psychologically stable?

Abortion is definitely better than throwing newborn babies in gutters and waste bins...

Abortion is morally wrong because you are depriving another person of the right to life. And whether you choose to acknowledge or not , no one (including unborn fetuses) deserves to be denied the right to life just because they will be born into controversial circumstances.

G

Datboredberry:
Life isn't black and white...

If you would indulge us for a moment. Pls, why is there a rainbow in your profile photo? You is gay or you is supporting the movement?
Secondly, do those two cherries (not really berries) have an ambiguous representation?? They look like ' Nutty sacs '
If you kno wah ha mean. Which brings me back to the same question I've been asking you . Why are you hextremely nutty (naughty) like diz?
Pls , will her Lady clarify on the affore-asked questions? Merci beaucoup, madame.

DrFunmisticGlow:
there's other cases you know?!

Do give.

DrFunmisticGlow:
this is an ethical dilemma. I am tired of arguing those.

Usually by the time one is finding out about a child with down syndrome, pregnancy is in 2nd trimester which makes medical/ surgical abortion more difficult.

There's also a small chance that the scan might be wrong.
Down syndrome is compatible with life. Something like anencephaly on the other hand, I would not think twice about inducing labor. l saw a case in an ultrasound I was assisting to do last year. It was quite terrible

I would advise the couple to discuss their options. Are they ready to be caretakers for the rest of their lives and the trauma that brings?!

I'm pro-abortion... And I know to a greater extent, you are too...

In Nigeria, even though it's a criminal offence... Abortions are still very common...

I'm not sure if you've ever performed one... I won't assume... Out of respect...

But if you have, was it for a reason other than to save the life of the mother?

I think it should be legal... Young girls should have the option of having a qualified persons such as yourself to advise them... And perform the abortions if necessary... Other than the quack doctors who would risk the life of the mother just to make money...

If it's already being done, might as well do it right...

Medical reason is the major ground abortion is accepted.

Datboredberry:
Of course!

I'm not gay... I'm fluid (I can find anyone sexually attractive)...

Yes! I support the lgbtq community.

There was no intentional reason for the rainbow... It's cute!


You know, I'm not even sure who it is I'm chatting with...

Yours is a shared account! Owned by a couple!

But yes, those cherries... One might see them and be hungry... Or be reminded of 'nutty sacs' or even a woman's tits...

Our ability to be so imaginative... It's is a beautiful thing... And whenever someone tells me what they've seen after looking at my profile picture... It helps me 'see' into their minds... It is particularly fun if it's dirty...




Innocently, I'll answer your question... I like nuts... All kind! If it's hard and chewy, it's going into my mouth... And I love the one with a creamy aftertaste...

I can't derail my own thread further... Mister/miss...

Haha , LMAO...I love you already. Jeez Louis! We will Sha delete all these back and forths before my girlfriend has her turn to use this account oo. I can't go on dry fasting for the next three days. Lol....but we a cool bunch. Sometimes we can act nuts. But we normal ,though.

First bolded.... bi-curious maybe? Come out already! Lol, just kidding!
And you support the LGBT movement....oh well, you're in the closet, kinda. My girl is bi+curious too. Abeg, she's bisexual, jare. The way I'm seeing her... But as long as that's what she wants, well, it's her choice...but I don't think I like sharing. No matter the scenario. But whatever...it's not like they don't all chest in d end. So it's cool.

Next.... You like all kind of what? Ooh, she's a nutty, nutty, girlie! Someone should spank you over there. If no one is around, then give yourself a spank using your own spank choice of weapon. I did not say use those hands of yours, oh. That'll be caressing, as opposed to using a tool which would be painful
As you like nuts and nut sacs, I like pomegranates and peaches. Anything that looks perky.

*smiles* Don't mind me jare. Yes, we've successfully derailed your own thread. You see ourselves? No, just look at us. We should be ashamed of our selves. Rubbish! I'm even angry at us right now
We need to be burnt at the stake.
Let's take this somewhere else. If I may, my Lordess...

People think health issues are a joke. Issues like down syndrome, sickle cell, autism, congenital blindness etc are all things you wouldn't want your child to struggle with whilst still struggling with everyday issues.

There is nothing wrong in opting for abortion in cases of medical abnormalities. You will be miserable, your child will blame you and be unhappy. It's not worth the hassle.

Those talking of right to live, the only life that is enjoyable is the one without any avoidable complications. If parents are able to determine any genetic deformity of their foetus, they shouldn't hesitate to abort. Nobody should have to suffer if it can be avoided.

Datboredberry:
I'm pro-abortion... And I know to a greater extent, you are too...

In Nigeria, even though it's a criminal offence... Abortions are still very common...

I'm not sure if you've ever performed one... I won't assume... Out of respect...

But if you have, was it for a reason other than to save the life of the mother?

I think it should be legal... Young girls should have the option of having a qualified persons such as yourself to advise them... And perform the abortions if necessary... Other than the quack doctors who would risk the life of the mother just to make money...

If it's already being done, might as well do it right...

Thanks.

It should be legal. I just witnessed the death of a 26 year old married woman last week Wednesday.

She had a pregnancy around 4-5 months, we don't know what happened between her and her husband because the dead can't defend herself, but it seems the paternity of the pregnancy was in question.

She went to a quack who did a D&C and gave her amoxil and flagyl to go home. Unfortunately, the procedure was incomplete and the remaining products of conception in her womb became infected and festered. This continued for 2weeks before she was brought to my workplace. Before they could examine and scan her, and by the time she was taken to the theatre, there was a lot of foul smelling pus and placenta remnants. After the surgery, she was alive and didn't improve. Apparently, the infection had spread and shut down her kidneys. She also wasn't responding to antibiotics. By evening, she was dead.

If she had access, this could have been prevented

DrFunmisticGlow:
Thanks.

You're welcome!

It should be legal. I just witnessed the death of a 26 year old married woman last week Wednesday.

She had a pregnancy around 4-5 months, we don't know what happened between her and her husband because the dead can't defend herself, but it seems the paternity of the pregnancy was in question.

Omg! That's horrible!

She went to a quack who did a D&C and gave her amoxil and flagyl to go home. Unfortunately, the procedure was incomplete and the remaining products of conception in her womb became infected and festered. This continued for 2weeks before she was brought to my workplace. Before they could examine and scan her, and by the time she was taken to the theatre, there was a lot of foul smelling pus and placenta remnants. After the surgery, she was alive and didn't improve. Apparently, the infection had spread and shut down her kidneys. She also wasn't responding to antibiotics. By evening, she was dead.

This is awful! Extremely... There are millions of women who've died this way too... It's surprising that this isn't enough for the pro-lifers...

This reminds me of a situation I was in... I was with a boy... And we had 'tried' to have sex... But it was clumsy and it didn't work since I'm a virgin and I was hesitant... He tried to force me! Eventually he settled for a hand-job...then he came.

After I was scared... I know alot about sex... But I know that pre-cum is potent enough to get a girl pregnant... My hymen hadn't been broken there's a hole and I might be unlucky! And I'm eighteen... Raised by a mom who doesn't think I've ever been kissed...

I was really alone... Two days later, I went to a pharmacy to get prostinol... It's wasn't easy... You know how judgemental these people can be... The drug delayed my period... Which only made me more afraid... I bought four pregnancy tests kits... Nearly had a nervous breakdown... Blah blah blah...

Now, assume I was pregnant... This was the scariest thing: how I would terminate the pregnancy... I checked online for drugs... But there was the risk of a half-abortion... And if my mum found out and decided to take me to the hospital, I could die there... many have.

There's so little talk about abortions... And how to make them safe and accessible for those who need it... And it's worse here in Nigeria... Where certified doctors do not perform the abortions but any pyscho butcherer in a private hospital...

Even the abortion drugs... They were intended for other ailments... So there's no prescription... There's the chance that one might overdose...

If she had access, this could have been prevented

it's sad.

funshint:
1. Pregnancy as a result of rape.
2. Pregnancy of a minor.
3. Based on medical reason; where the life of a mother can be threatened or a deformed foetus.

You've said it all.

Datboredberry:
Life isn't black and white...

It's not just a matter of avoiding ones responsibilities... But not even being able to handle them...

Poverty for example... Would you encourage a couple (married or not) to not terminate the pregnancy when they aren't able to adequately care for the child?

Or women who aren't psychologically stable? Abortion is definitely better than throwing newborn babies in gutters and waste bins...

If a guy and a lady is not ready, it is either they avoid sex or they try to prevent pregnancy.
If a lady is not able to prevent getting pregnancy and she gets pregnant unexpectedly, there is something called adoption, there are some women that cannot conceive babies, a woman can put her unborn baby up for adoption, I think it is better than abortion.

Rosement:


If a guy and a lady is not ready, it is either they avoid sex or they try to prevent pregnancy.
If a lady is not able to prevent getting pregnancy and she gets pregnant unexpectedly, there is something called adoption, there are some women that cannot conceive, a woman can put her unborn baby up for adoption, I think it is better than abortion.

This is Nigeria...

How many adoption homes are there that would easily serve Nigerians in situations like this?

Secondly, most of these adoption homes aren't like those in the West...that are monitored... The homes are poor... Not conducive for children.

I know a few that sold babies to ritualists...etc.

The children aren't fed properly, not taken care of... But maltreated, raped, etc... There's usually no bond between the children and their care-givers so the latter don't put in much effort... They aren't there to support the children emotionally and psychologically.

No mother, even one who opts for an abortion wants their child to suffer... Getting rid of a foetus is a better choice that giving it up to live a life of uncertainty... In this country.

How many women adopt children in Nigeria? The practice isn't so common and it's not yet culturally accepted... Most would rather their husbands marry a second wife...

The demand for abandoned babies and orphans is very low..

Then those who do, they treat these children like they aren't truly theirs... For example, my aunt... The most perfect baby... And she still can't being herself to love her... even accused the child of being the source of her problems...

Avoiding sex is impossible... Yes, it's the best but let's be realistic...

And most contraceptives are totally reliable...

Rape kind of pregnancy

Datboredberry:
This is Nigeria...

How many adoption homes are there that would easily serve Nigerians in situations like this?

Secondly, most of these adoption homes aren't like those in the West...that are monitored... The homes are poor... Not conducive for children.

I know a few that sold babies to ritualists...etc.

The children aren't fed properly, not taken care of... But maltreated, raped, etc... There's usually no bond between the children and their care-givers so the latter don't put in much effort... They aren't there to support the children emotionally and psychologically.

No mother, even one who opts for an abortion wants their child to suffer... Getting rid of a foetus is a better choice that giving it up to live a life of uncertainty... In this country.

How many women adopt children in Nigeria? The practice isn't so common and it's not yet culturally accepted... Most would rather their husbands marry a second wife...

The demand for abandoned babies and orphans is very low..

Then those who do, they treat these children like they aren't truly theirs... For example, my aunt... The most perfect baby... And she still can't being herself to love her... even accused the child of being the source of her problems...

Avoiding sex is impossible... Yes, it's the best but let's be realistic...

And most contraceptives are totally reliable...

There are families that take good care of adopted kids but if a lady does not want to put up her baby for adoption or if she is not able to put up her baby for adoption, that does not mean, it is right for her to abort the baby. What is wrong is wrong, I will never support abortion except the life of the mother is at risk. If a lady gets pregnant and she is unable to put her baby up for adoption, she should give birth to the baby and struggle to take care of the baby.

There are some single mothers that struggled to take care of their children and today some of their children are in top positions. Nobody knows tomorrow, you cannot predict a child's future, there are people that went grass to grace and there are also people that went from grace to grass. Being a single mother does not limit a woman, a single mother can still become successful and a single mother can still get married to a responsible guy. Except from the fact that abortion is a sin, abortion can also lead to death and it can damage the womb.

If I decide to open my legs for a guy and I get pregnant, I will not abort the pregnancy. The highest that will happen to me, is that my parent will be angry with me, they might even disown me, people will stone me with insults and I will have to struggle on my own but to me all these are better than committing a murder.

I will not add to my sin, rather than that I will ask God to forgive and move on with my life. I know life will not be easily but I will keep encouraging myself with the experience of other single mothers that ended up being successful and I will keep praying to God and asking God for his directions.

Today does not determine tomorrow, some people have aborted glorious children unknowingly. Don't you know some children are untouchable. Is it only orphans that get kidnapped or can my parent protect me from being kidnapped? No, I look up to God for protection. If it is food that saves life, why are some rich children dying of different types of sicknesses? God did not ask man to assist him to reduce the population of the world, let God do the mathematics himself. Hand your life over to God and stop believing in your strength.

Datboredberry is pregnant and is considering abortion end of discussion case closed