Greenholics:

They are many fallacies and personally manufactured ideology or explanations here but i dont want to go back and forth over that.

Please feel free to say what's in your mind but try not to be annoyed or insulting because that will only blur your sense of liberalism.

Greenholics:

Ok so the all powerful God had to use humans to fight his battles? Amd thise he used many died in the process ok.... ok no problem

Note that He didn't use humans to fight back in Egypt, many thought it was a coincidence. That's why God asked the Israelites to face the nations so they will know that it wasn't a coincidence but the God of Israel that's backing His people!

Greenholics:

And also king David alone fought 66 battles and half of that didnt even come to attack his or his kingdom.

Note that David was only fighting to protect the land God promised His people Israelites, David never leave that territory to dominate nations beyond the boundaries God allocated to Israel.

Greenholics:

Just like a time when the Roman conquered the world and Rome was the centre of the world..... it wasnt a thing of defence it was a thing of domination.

The Romans were forcing their rule on nations far away from Rome, so it's a totally different setting from what the Israelites did back then!

MaxInDHouse:

Please feel free to say what's in your mind but try not to be annoyed or insulting because that will only blur your sense of liberalism.

Note that He didn't use humans to fight back in Egypt, many thought it was a coincidence. That's why God asked the Israelites to face the nations so they will know that it wasn't a coincidence but the God of Israel that's backing His people!

Note that David was only fighting to protect the land God promised His people Israelites, David never leave that territory to dominate nations beyond the boundaries God allocated to Israel.

The Romans were forcing their rule on nations far away from Rome, so it's a totally different setting from what the Israelites did back then!

Oh yes i love the part of no insult, mutual respect is key

Greenholics:

Oh yes i love the part of no insult, mutual respect is key

That's the import of mutual respect, because we don't agree on worship doesn't mean we can't do anything together.
I remember a friend who happens to be a Muslim too when i became one of Jehovah's Witnesses he asked "i know your new found faith doesn't allow members to participate in all things so what are the things you will not continue doing now?"
We iron it out and continue our friendship, he knows i won't participate in eating anything having to do with religious festivities and i also know he won't eat pork meat. So whenever i buy my pork meat i won't bother asking him and whenever he brings any food having to do with religious festivities he won't invite me to join him. He continues with his girlfriend stuff while i stopped and that doesn't separate us until he travelled abroad.
So mutual respect is key to friendship we only try to know what each God says regarding other religions, it's what the Gods say not what you or i say!

MaxInDHouse:

That's the import of mutual respect, because we don't agree on worship doesn't mean we can't do anything together.
I remember a friend who happens to be a Muslim too when i became one of Jehovah's Witnesses he asked "i know your new found faith doesn't allow members to participate in all things so what are the things you will not continue doing now?"
We iron it out and continue our friendship, he knows i won't participate in eating anything having to do with religious festivities and i also know he won't eat pork meat. So whenever i buy my pork meat i won't bother asking him and whenever he brings any food having to do with religious festivities he won't invite me to join him. He continues with his girlfriend stuff while i stopped and that doesn't separate us until he travelled abroad.
So mutual respect is key to friendship we only try to know what each God says regarding other religions, it's what the Gods say not what you or i say!

100% true absolutely!

Greenholics:

100% true absolutely!

Jehovah's Witnesses visit people in their homes so that we can iron out what different Gods are saying to their adherents and the benefits of the utterances of each God in the gathering of worshipers and neighbours who don't believe in that God.
Where most people get confused is thinking that the messenger (worshipers) of a God is their enemy for delivering the message of his/her God.
That's why Jehovah's Witnesses speaks through actions than our words, you will get to know how our God feels about what people are doing by considering our reaction. For instance, when praying most people will quickly say "Amen" in reply to whoever is praying but JWs will never respond to any prayer unless it's from a JW. By so doing we are telling them that our God will not listen to any prayer from people who aren't interested in His worship. But then some may become offended thinking we are proving holier or we don't wish them well.
So instead of waiting until they learn through our actions we visit them ahead to tell them what we believe in other to pacify them before they make the moves so that they won't be offended when we say "NO"

MaxInDHouse:


Jehovah's Witnesses visit people in their homes so that we can iron out what different Gods are saying to their adherents and the benefits of the utterances of each God in the gathering of worshipers and neighbours who don't believe in that God.
Where most people get confused is thinking that the messenger (worshipers) of a God is their enemy for delivering the message of his/her God.
That's why Jehovah's Witnesses speaks through actions than our words, you will get to know how our God feels about what people are doing by considering our reaction. For instance, when praying most people will quickly say "Amen" in reply to whoever is praying but JWs will never respond to any prayer unless it's from a JW. By so doing we are telling them that our God will not listen to any prayer from people who aren't interested in His worship. But then some may become offended thinking we are proving holier or we don't wish them well.
So instead of waiting until they learn through our actions we visit them ahead to tell them what we believe in other to pacify them before they make the moves so that they won't be offended when we say "NO"

Ok well understood...... i have a question not totally related to this thou, but related to the first few back and forth we had.


Why do you feel or think anyone or thing outside jw is not capable of being good or doing good?



Nb: i saw the writeup you did regarding treating family members that are none jw, i love the new stand you took, which ia very much opposite of what you made up understand over here, but none the less i love the new approach, family comes first before religious affiliations.

Better a satanist than a Muslim because even devil worshippers don’t believe robbing men and women right to jobs, wealth and progress in their countries is a smart idea much less spreading that cancer to every society that gives a home to them

Greenholics:

Ok well understood...... i have a question not totally related to this thou, but related to the first few back and forth we had. Why do you feel or think anyone or thing outside jw is not capable of being good or doing good?

Well this will require a lengthy response but i will try to be brief.
First of all the world became a place filled with violence, crime and injustice but that's not how the true God wants life to be.
Since God doesn't want to make us live on instinct like the animals the only way forward is to create awareness which will help honest hearted ones to know how God want life to be on this planet. There must be orderliness which will be supervised by a faithful and discreet group of limited number who will oversee the campaign globally. Whoever wants to benefit from this arrangement must prove to be humble otherwise he/she will not be able to cope with the shortcomings of people from different races, cultures and class. That's why God's word says only individuals who are seeking righteousness with meekness will be spared in the day of God's anger! Zephaniah 2:2-3
Throughout the world today the only organized people meeting up with this task are the JWs! So it's not that they are better of than all other people but the quality (Humility) is promoted in their midst so that no arrogant fellow can continue worshiping with them, to be one of Jehovah's Witnesses you must totally humble yourself at least in their midst.
That's why Jesus illustrated what we should expect in the gathering of his earthly subjects, they will all prove to be like little children, no segregation of class, race, riches or educational background, all of them will treat one another equally the same way little children do! Matthew 18:4
There are many whose former lifestyle is nothing to write home about but as long as they are prepared to humble themselves and learn they are welcome in our midst! Luke 23:39-43
When critics see such ones with us they complain thinking they shouldn't be in our midst due to their lifestyles but what critics don't know is that these ones are willing to learn humbly! Luke 7:36-48
Each individual is working on his shortcomings and we have JWs taking note of their progress {1Timothy 4:14-15} as each must prove to be his brother's keeper, there's no room for isolation in our midst. The JWs must know the type of job you do and they have the right to advise you over your lifestyle this are the things billions don't want, they just want to be accepted anyway!

Greenholics:

Nb: i saw the writeup you did regarding treating family members that are none jw, i love the new stand you took, which ia very much opposite of what you made up understand over here, but none the less i love the new approach, family comes first before religious affiliations.

Please don't get me wrong!
Any individual who wants JWs to treat him as a real member of the JW family must be open regarding his lifestyle and ready to take wise counsels, whoever choose to isolate himself or herself will not be treated as one of us but just as a neighbour living with us, nobody will treat him/her like a close confidant since he doesn't want to be treated as such!
But even if you come from China, Australia, Argentina, Mali or Kenya as long as you're open to JWs you will be treated as a member of our global family. So i can only do what is within my capability for my family member who is not a JW but as for a JW i must go extra mile to see that his needs are met because he has chosen to have brothers and sisters throughout the world, therefore if i'm not in the position to solve his problem i must introduce hm to other brothers in the faith so he could be well taken care of by the global family of faith!

MaxInDHouse:

Well this will require a lengthy response but i will try to be brief.
First of all the world became a place filled with violence, crime and injustice but that's not how the true God wants life to be.
Since God doesn't want to make us live on instinct like the animals the only way forward is to create awareness which will help honest hearted ones to know how God want life to be on this planet. There must be orderliness which will be supervised by a faithful and discreet group of limited number who will oversee the campaign globally. Whoever wants to benefit from this arrangement must prove to be humble otherwise he/she will not be able to cope with the shortcomings of people from different races, cultures and class. That's why God's word says only individuals who are seeking righteousness with meekness will be spared in the day of God's anger! Zephaniah 2:2-3
Throughout the world today the only organized people meeting up with this task are the JWs! So it's not that they are better of than all other people but the quality (Humility) is promoted in their midst so that no arrogant fellow can continue worshiping with them, to be one of Jehovah's Witnesses you must totally humble yourself at least in their midst.
That's why Jesus illustrated what we should expect in the gathering of his earthly subjects, they will all prove to be like little children, no segregation of class, race, riches or educational background, all of them will treat one another equally the same way little children do! Matthew 18:4
There are many whose former lifestyle is nothing to write home about but as long as they are prepared to humble themselves and learn they are welcome in our midst! Luke 23:39-43
When critics see such ones with us they complain thinking they shouldn't be in our midst due to their lifestyles but what critics don't know is that these ones are willing to learn humbly! Luke 7:36-48
Each individual is working on his shortcomings and we have JWs taking note of their progress {1Timothy 4:14-15} as each must prove to be his brother's keeper, there's no room for isolation in our midst. The JWs must know the type of job you do and they have the right to advise you over your lifestyle this are the things billions don't want, they just want to be accepted anyway!


Please don't get me wrong!
Any individual who wants JWs to treat him as a real member of the JW family must be open regarding his lifestyle and ready to take wise counsels, whoever choose to isolate himself or herself will not be treated as one of us but just as a neighbour living with us, nobody will treat him/her like a close confidant since he doesn't want to be treated as such!
But even if you come from China, Australia, Argentina, Mali or Kenya as long as you're open to JWs you will be treated as a member of our global family. So i can only do what is within my capability for my family member who is not a JW but as for a JW i must go extra mile to see that his needs are met because he has chosen to have brothers and sisters throughout the world, therefore if i'm not in the position to solve his problem i must introduce hm to other brothers in the faith so he could be well taken care of by the global family of faith!

On your first paragraph i totally understand your point but i think maybe you got my question wrong, because you didnt touch on it..... will like youbto shed mire light on that.


This is totally unrelated, what do you think about other peaceful religion like hindu, buddhism and Taoism.



Ok i understand your point regarding family and jw family.... i totally understand.

Greenholics:

On your first paragraph i totally understand your point but i think maybe you got my question wrong, because you didnt touch on it..... will like youbto shed mire light on that.
This is totally unrelated, what do you think about other peaceful religion like hindu, buddhism and Taoism. Ok i understand your point regarding family and jw family.... i totally understand.

Regarding a religion that seems peaceful from a distance you need to try taking such a faith to other lands where the culture differs from it's source.
When people speak the same language and have the same culture it's not difficult for their gathering to last but allow them take their doctrines to other lands then come back and tell me the result!

Greenholics:




On your first paragraph i totally understand your point but i think maybe you got my question wrong, because you didnt touch on it..... will like youbto shed mire light on that.


This is totally unrelated, what do you think about other peaceful religion like hindu, buddhism and Taoism.



Ok i understand your point regarding family and jw family.... i totally understand.

You try for reading the lengthy post that didn't address the question you asked.

Why do you feel or think anyone or thing outside jw is not capable of being good or doing good?

I laughed when he said the members of his religious organisation equally have many SHORTCOMINGS like every other Christian religious denominations. He should have chewed on that simply because the members of his religious organisation are capable of doing bad just like others are capable of doing good despite their numerous shortcomings.


Then this HUMILITY of a thing is a marketing tool that equate to being SUBSERVIENT(follow their leaders with no questions asked).

Should we measure humility of Max himself and his actions here alongside his likes it is as good as making mockery of the word HUMILITY.

Humility requires accepting that others are better than you but in the words of MaxInDHouse..... There is no better performing group than his religious organisation despite the statistics out there says otherwise.

MaxInDHouse:

Regarding a religion that seems peaceful from a distance you need to try taking such a faith to other lands where the culture differs from it's source.
When people speak the same language and have the same culture it's not difficult for their gathering to last but allow them take their doctrines to other lands then come back and tell me the result!

This is enough...... Regarding a religion that seems peaceful from a distance

It still seem peaceful despite adding your distance. Your religious organisation equally seems peaceful from a distance. Do you agree?

A quick check of population of Buddhist all over the world keeps it over 450 millions.

MaxInDHouse:
Dear Greenholics, i am prepared to share more thoughts with you if you care, but as for the other commentator it's written in the Bible that once we know where he belongs we must not engage him no matter what he say! Romans 16:17; 2John 1:10-11

May you have PEACE!

Are you afraid to tell him where the other commentator belongs?

Oh your religious leaders told you the other commentator belongs to the poisonous and dumpsite group

There is no salvation in Islam. Jesus is the only way to God the father. Mohammed never promised any of his followers salvation. Rather, he confessed he is not sure of his destiny and even the destiny of those follwing - Sura 46:9 which reads, “I am not the first of the Messengers; and I do not know what shall be done with me or with you. I follow only what is revealed to me, and I am nothing but a plain warner.”

Compare it with the statement of Jesus.

"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." (John 14:6)

in another place, he said,

"A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me, because I go to the Father." (John 16:16).

Please. follow who know road.

TruthinAction:
There is no salvation in Islam. Jesus is the only way to God the father. Mohammed never promised any of his followers salvation. Rather, he confessed he is not sure of his destiny and even the destiny of those follwing - Sura 46:9 which reads, “I am not the first of the Messengers; and I do not know what shall be done with me or with you. I follow only what is revealed to me, and I am nothing but a plain warner.”

Compare it with the statement of Jesus.

"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." (John 14:6)

in another place, he said,

"A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me, because I go to the Father." (John 16:16).

Please. follow who know road.

The first time i read this:

Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age." Matthew 28:18-20

I had sleepless nights!
Because the man who utter such a statement is damn sure of what he is saying. After saying "all authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me" this young man added "therefore go and make disciples of all the nations" even though i searched many years to figure out the group this guy sent out i am certain that he's gotten what he takes to have salvation! John 1:11-12

I'll love to address the issue of HUMILITY!

This is one quality that's missing in the human society today leading to killings here and there but then many do argue when told they're not humble. So how do we resolve the issue of HUMILITY?
The first thing we need to know is that only God is the SUPREME BEING that's why we must all look up to Him, but then He is invisible and we've heard, read and also noticed that some humans knows better than we do in some fields. Moreover it's written in all religious books that someone (like a prophet or philosopher) always teach others and later after his death many do revere such individuals as God's sent. So a humble person will always expect to find someone who knows better than him and prepare to learn from a better scholar.
Throughout the history of mankind billions in different religions are talking about individuals they revere and expect others to learn from their teacher. One of such teachers was a first century young Jewish man named Jesus of Nazareth. The book Bible would have remained just like other Religious books from different cultures but it's the teachings of this young man that's moving honest hearted and sincere individuals from all over the world to dedicate their lives into the interpretation of what was recorded about Jesus, so if not for the Christian Greek Scriptures (New Testament) the Hebrew scriptures (Old Testament) can't go far.
Due to Jesus' wonderful counsels found in the New Testament the Bible became the most popular and most translated book in the history of mankind, when talking about the best seller among books the Bible is excluded because there's no book ever written that's sold in millions of copies yearly like the Bible!
Despite all these Jesus himself still gave all the glory and honour to someone superior to him in wisdom {John 14:28} meaning Jesus was also a humble person {Philippians 2:6} though he made it clear to everyone that he knows better than anyone else when talking about the one and only true God! Luke 10:22

Jesus died, resurrected and returned to heaven alive as we read in the Bible, but after reading all these in a book, what assurance do we have that Jesus is a real historical figure and not just a fabrication from some intellectuals? Most people have discarded Jesus' story because so much about him sounds impossible.
So we have a problem at hand, we need proof that Jesus truly existed apart from what we found written in that book, but to my shocking surprise Jesus still gave us something we will always have to be sure that he is a real historical figure.
Listen to him:

Little children, I am with you a little longer. You will look for me; and just as I said to the Jews, ‘Where I go you cannot come,’ I now say it also to you. I am giving you a new commandment, that you love one another; just as I have loved you, you also love one another. By this all will know that you are my disciples—if you have love among yourselves.” John 13:33-35

So according to Jesus a group will emerge and they will take Jesus' teachings to all the nations on this planet {Act 1:8} due to the Jesus' teachings people will know them throughout the world {Matthew 5:13-16} and just as Jesus was hated due to his ideologies there is no nation where his followers will be celebrated {Matthew 10:22-25} in fact they will be hated just as Jesus was hated among his own people! John 15:19

Do we have such a group today?
Well, it takes great meekness (humility) on the part of any honest hearted and sincere individuals to acknowledge that he has found one. WHY? Because you must submit yourself to the tenets binding Jesus' group together as one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers! Hebrews 13:7, 17

That's why everyone just feel like talking about the religion of their choice, no one is talking about the one and only group practicing what Jesus really taught.
So if anyone wants to argue about HUMILITY, ask him if he has found Jesus' group, if such a person is humble he will present Jesus' group before everyone and point to the reasons why he believes that that is Jesus' group, but if not such an arrogant person will be fighting really hard as in tough to discard the idea of a group practicing what Jesus taught instead he will prefer the anonymous where everyone is free to choose any group of their choice all in the name of following Jesus who emphatically said:

“If you love me, you will observe my commandments" John 14:15
How possible it is to have over 41,000 different sects with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines all claiming denominations of Jesus' teachings?

God bless you and may you have PEACE

MaxInDHouse:
I'll love to address the issue of HUMILITY!

This is one quality that's missing in the human society today leading to killings here and there but then many do argue when told they're not humble. So how do we resolve the issue of HUMILITY?
The first thing we need to know is that only God is the SUPREME BEING that's why we must all look up to Him, but then He is invisible and we've heard, read and also noticed that some humans knows better than we do in some fields. Moreover it's written in all religious books that someone (like a prophet or philosopher) always teach others and later after his death many do revere such individuals as God's sent. So a humble person will always expect to find someone who knows better than him and prepare to learn from a better scholar.
Throughout the history of mankind billions in different religions are talking about individuals they revere and expect others to learn from their teacher. One of such teachers was a first century young Jewish man named Jesus of Nazareth. The book Bible would have remained just like other Religious books from different cultures but it's the teachings of this young man that's moving honest hearted and sincere individuals from all over the world to dedicate their lives into the interpretation of what was recorded about Jesus, so if not for the Christian Greek Scriptures (New Testament) the Hebrew scriptures (Old Testament) can't go far.
Due to Jesus' wonderful counsels found in the New Testament the Bible became the most popular and most translated book in the history of mankind, when talking about the best seller among books the Bible is excluded because there's no book ever written that's sold in millions of copies yearly like the Bible!
Despite all these Jesus himself still gave all the glory and honour to someone superior to him in wisdom {John 14:28} meaning Jesus was also a humble person {Philippians 2:6} though he made it clear to everyone that he knows better than anyone else when talking about the one and only true God! Luke 10:22

Jesus died, resurrected and returned to heaven alive as we read in the Bible, but after reading all these in a book, what assurance do we have that Jesus is a real historical figure and not just a fabrication from some intellectuals? Most people have discarded Jesus' story because so much about him sounds impossible.
So we have a problem at hand, we need proof that Jesus truly existed apart from what we found written in that book, but to my shocking surprise Jesus still gave us something we will always have to be sure that he is a real historical figure.
Listen to him:

Little children, I am with you a little longer. You will look for me; and just as I said to the Jews, ‘Where I go you cannot come,’ I now say it also to you. I am giving you a new commandment, that you love one another; just as I have loved you, you also love one another. By this all will know that you are my disciples—if you have love among yourselves.” John 13:33-35

So according to Jesus a group will emerge and they will take Jesus' teachings to all the nations on this planet {Act 1:8} due to the Jesus' teachings people will know them throughout the world {Matthew 5:13-16} and just as Jesus was hated due to his ideologies there is no nation where his followers will be celebrated {Matthew 10:22-25} in fact they will be hated just as Jesus was hated among his own people! John 15:19

Do we have such a group today?
Well, it takes great meekness (humility) on the part of any honest hearted and sincere individuals to acknowledge that he has found one. WHY? Because you must submit yourself to the tenets binding Jesus' group together as one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers! Hebrews 13:7, 17

That's why everyone just feel like talking about the religion of their choice, no one is talking about the one and only group practicing what Jesus really taught.
So if anyone wants to argue about HUMILITY, ask him if he has found Jesus' group, if such a person is humble he will present Jesus' group before everyone and point to the reasons why he believes that that is Jesus' group, but if not such an arrogant person will be fighting really hard as in tough to discard the idea of a group practicing what Jesus taught instead he will prefer the anonymous where everyone is free to choose any group of their choice all in the name of following Jesus who emphatically said:

“If you love me, you will observe my commandments" John 14:15
How possible it is to have over 41,000 different sects with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines all claiming denominations of Jesus' teachings?

God bless you and may you have PEACE

That's why everyone just feel like talking about the religion of their choice, no one is talking about the one and only group practicing what Jesus really taught

Repeated narratives as usual. Nowhere in the scripture did Jesus said people should follow any one and only group. Jesus invitation is to follow him not group. Read your Bible from now till eternity you will not see group and this your group thinking.

So if anyone wants to argue about HUMILITY, ask him if he has found Jesus' group, if such a person is humble he will present Jesus' group before everyone and point to the reasons why he believes that that is Jesus' group

Humility is not based on finding a group or this your group regimented kind of thinking. Their is nothing like Jesus' group in the Bible

but if not such an arrogant person will be fighting really hard as in tough to discard the idea of a group practicing what Jesus taught instead he will prefer the anonymous where everyone is free to choose any group of their choice all in the name of following Jesus who emphatically said

Remove that regimented kind of group thinking. Jesus emphatically said........ FOLLOW ME FOLLOW ME FOLLOW ME not FOLLOW MY GROUP NOT FOLLOW JESUS' GROUP stop reading ARROGANCE into SCRIPTURES

If you love me, you will observe my commandments" John 14:15

Did you see love me, did you see observe my commandment. These are not group commandment not regimented group commandment that states to be on the road to life you need group commandments and organisation. Jesus didn't say love my group or observe the commandment of my group. Stop reading ARROGANCE into the scripture.


Spare us your introduction of addressing humility. Humility is not marketing a religious organisation as you have done in this post of yours. Killings, suicides, fights, immoral practices and deaths still happens within your religious organisation. Stop making mockery of the word humility.

MaxInDHouse:

Regarding a religion that seems peaceful from a distance you need to try taking such a faith to other lands where the culture differs from it's source.
When people speak the same language and have the same culture it's not difficult for their gathering to last but allow them take their doctrines to other lands then come back and tell me the result!

By culture what do you mean? Because christianity or even Jw didnt originate from our "culture".... needless to say English isnt even our own language. How do you reconcile that with your point of view?