I've been thinking about this lately and wondering. Are they owed reparations? They are currently requesting reparations from the United States government, which I support them on. They worked the land. They deserve it. But are they owed from Africans?

At first I thought yes, because they were sold and if you are going to ask from the buyer, it makes sense to also ask the seller. But then I thought the basis of them asking from the US is the idea that they built the institutions in the US that helped establish it as the country it is today. They did not build anything in Africa. So is anything really owed to them?

In my opinion the word "historical reparation" doesn't make sense. Black Americans deserve a good life because they are American citizens. And all citizens deserve a better life. Not because they are slaves in the past. The slavery was a horrible fact. But demanding "historic redress is ridiculous". Black haitians killed all whites for Haiti. I don't see anyone demanding historic reparations from black Haitians

No!

If any reparation is to be claimed, then the west should be held for that not just the US alone … those who remained in Africa had their own share of woes from slavery and colonization.

Aren't African Americans generally better off than Africans, financially speaking? What are we going to use to pay the reparations, our faeces?

The Igbo say, you don't look for something in the bag of someone who is looking for something.

From a moral standpoint though, are they not owed something?

Wulfruna:
Aren't African Americans generally better off than Africans, financially speaking? What are we going to use to pay the reparations, our faeces?

The Igbo say, you don't look for something in the bag of someone who is looking for something.

But our leaders are the one that sold them. That isn't the fault of the West.

Isaacpromise1:
No!

If any reparation is to be claimed, then the west should be held for that not just the US alone … those who remained in Africa had their own share of woes from slavery and colonization.

flowerpower23:
But our leaders are the one that sold them. That isn't the fault of the West.

No brother,

That’s exactly what the west want us to believe, trying to shift the blame on us, trying to make us the villain here whereas we are the victim!

They invaded our land first, enslaved us, colonized us …… yes there are some gullible people who did their bid! But the west are to be blamed

flowerpower23:
From a moral standpoint though, are they not owed something?

If I did you dirty 30 years ago and 30 years after our parts cross again, and you're doing way better tham I am, from a moral standpoint do I owe you financial restitution for doing you dirty 30 years ago?

Again, you are doing waaaaay better than I am.

I would say still yes. Like if I loaned someone 1000 dollars. And 30 years later I'm more successfful and built up then them, I am still oowed that money. Doesn't really matter how successful I am.

Wulfruna:


If I did you dirty 30 years ago and 30 years after our parts cross again, and you're doing way better tham I am, from a moral standpoint do I owe you financial restitution for doing you dirty 30 years ago?

Again, you are doing waaaaay better than I am.

But how are we the victim when we profited? These people were sold for gunpowder, iron, and even mirror. They would round up whole villages to be sold to Europeans. There is ALOT of culpability to be held by the african people in slavery.

Isaacpromise1:


No brother,

That’s exactly what the west want us to believe, trying to shift the blame on us, trying to make us the villain here whereas we are the victim!

They invaded our land first, enslaved us, colonized us …… yes there are some gullible people who did their bid! But the west are to be blamed

Samishiba:
Black haitians killed all whites for Haiti. I don't see anyone demanding historic reparations from black Haitians

I don't think the French will want the bad publicity shown on them demanding reparations for the deaths of their own past oppressors, so essentially meaning their deaths were for good reason, which of course it was.

Why would Haitians be expected to pay for that? They were figting for their freedom. Thats like u coming to rob me and I beat you and now somehow I must pay you because I beat you up.

Samishiba:
In my opinion the word "historical reparation" doesn't make sense. Black Americans deserve a good life because they are American citizens. And all citizens deserve a better life. Not because they are slaves in the past. The slavery was a horrible fact. But demanding "historic redress is ridiculous". Black haitians killed all whites for Haiti. I don't see anyone demanding historic reparations from black Haitians

flowerpower23:
But how are we the victim when we profited? These people were sold for gunpowder, iron, and even mirror. They would round up whole villages to be sold to Europeans. There is ALOT of culpability to be held by the african people in slavery.

WE profited?

Who profited? The general populace or the gullible set of people who did their bid just for them to remain afloat and survive?

No, there are no culpabilities …… the enemy here is not the Africans brother but the whites who invaded first ……

with or without the minor leaders who assisted them, they will still continue with their evil exploration and exploitation ;

In a bid to justify their actions, they pitched us against each other by propagating the “sell out” story … NO

The evil they did during the slavery and colonization period still haunt Africa till today

Yes they profited. Bro the sold their own people. Europeans didn't force them to do that. Why were they compensated if it was by force? 400000 african people were shipped from Africa to America. Imagine the African population was not as numerous then as it is now. That would require a large scale effort of rounding up and distributing as well as determining costs and divying up the spoils. This was a wide participation that yes the Africans profited from.

Isaacpromise1:


WE profited?

Who profited? The general populace or the gullible set of people who did their bid just for them to remain afloat and survive?

No, there are no culpabilities …… the enemy here is not the Africans brother but the whites who invaded first ……

with or without the minor leaders who assisted them, they will still continue with their evil exploration and exploitation ;

In a bid to justify their actions, they pitched us against each other by propagating the “sell out” story … NO

The evil they did during the slavery and colonization period still haunt Africa till today

flowerpower23:
Yes they profited. Bro the sold their own people. Europeans didn't force them to do that. Why were they compensated if it was by force? 400000 african people were shipped from Africa to America. Imagine the African population was not as numerous then as it is now. That would require a large scale effort of rounding up and distributing as well as determining costs and divying up the spoils. This was a wide participation that yes the Africans profited from.

Okay then

So are they deserving from Africa or not?

Isaacpromise1:


Okay then

flowerpower23:
Why would Haitians be expected to pay for that? They were figting for their freedom. Thats like u coming to rob me and I beat you and now somehow I must pay you because I beat you up.

Figting for their freedom? Black haitians raped and dismembered white haitians. This is pure evil. Attacked white haitians without any chance for defence . I know whites are evil with blacks in the past. But nothing justifiy this. Black haitians dismembered kids also. Black haitians was not different for white evils. A mistake don't justifiy other.

BuyMeBanger:

I don't think the French will want the bad publicity shown on them demanding reparations for the deaths of their own past oppressors, so essentially meaning their deaths were for good reason, which of course it was.

Their deaths for good reason? Black haitians raped and dismembered white haitians. Women and kids. Do you agree with that? That is a stupid opinion. We are all creation of God whites and blacks. Nobody has the right to take anybody's life. But that is not my point.
Whites did in the past what was normal for them. at that time it was normal to enslave black people. It was normal for them to rape a black slave. Civilizations were idiots and evolved. For example in anciety China the concubines was buried live with the Emperor.
Many civilizations was stupid

It was a slave rebellion. They rebelled against their slave masters and fought for their independence. And those white people were not Haitian at the time because there was no such thing as "Haiti". It was only through fighting them that they were able to gain their independence and establish Haiti, the first free black republic. How on Earth could they owe reparations for that?

If a group of people are subugating and enslaving another group of people, absolutely they have the right to fight for thheir freedom. How can you say otherwise?

Samishiba:





Figting for their freedom? Black haitians raped and dismembered white haitians. This is pure evil. Attacked white haitians without any chance for defence . I know whites are evil with blacks in the past. But nothing justifiy this. Black haitians dismembered kids also. Black haitians was not different for white evils. A mistake don't justifiy other.

Their deaths for good reason? Black haitians raped and dismembered white haitians. Women and kids. Do you agree with that? That is a stupid opinion. We are all creation of God whites and blacks. Nobody has the right to take anybody's life. But that is not my point.
Whites did in the past what was normal for them. at that time it was normal to enslave black people. It was normal for them to rape a black slave. Civilizations were idiots and evolved. For example in anciety China the concubines are buried live with the Emperor.
Many civilizations was stupid and envolved.

Samishiba:

Figting for their freedom? Black haitians raped and dismembered white haitians. This is pure evil. Attacked white haitians without any chance for defence . I know whites are evil with blacks in the past. But nothing justifiy this. Black haitians dismembered kids also. Black haitians was not different for white evils. A mistake don't justifiy other.

Their deaths for good reason? Black haitians raped and dismembered white haitians. Women and kids. Do you agree with that? That is a stupid opinion. We are all creation of God whites and blacks. Nobody has the right to take anybody's life.

As much as this will upset you, I genuinely really truly agree with the response from the Haitians (Black), tit for tat essentially. You could take some solace from the fact that Haiti is kind of a shithole these days, right?

I don't understand how anybody could say what the Haitians did was not completely justified. They were slaves rebelling against people who regarded them as subhuman and took away all their rights and freedoms. They had weapons and advanced technology on the Haitians. Of course they had to pull every stop to get them to leave.

And also the state of Haiti today is not retribution for slaves fighting for their freedom all those years ago. I don't even understand how that makes any sense tbh. I can only see someone with a deep hatred for blacks arguing otherwise.

BuyMeBanger:

As much as this will upset you, I genuinely really truly agree with the response from the Haitians (Black), tit for tat essentially. You could take some solace from the fact that Haiti is kind of a shithole these days, right?

BuyMeBanger:

As much as this will upset you, I genuinely really truly agree with the response from the Haitians (Black), tit for tat essentially. You could take some solace from the fact that Haiti is kind of a shithole these days, right?

Haiti is eternally cursed for this. Haiti is a country cursed for what they did to whites.
A lot of people died in this country in the Haitian massacre. The tormented spirits don't leave. Tormented spirits cursed Haiti. For this reason Haiti is a land of disgrace

flowerpower23:
I don't understand how anybody could say what the Haitians did was not completely justified. They were slaves rebelling against people who regarded them as subhuman and took away all their rights and freedoms. They had weapons and advanced technology on the Haitians. Of course they had to pull every stop to get them to leave.

And also the state of Haiti today is not retribution for slaves fighting for their freedom all those years ago. I don't even understand how that makes any sense tbh. I can only see someone with a deep hatred for blacks arguing otherwise.

And was it worth it? Haiti is one of the poorest countries in the world that depends of white countries help. Jamaica don't killed anyone and are more sucessfull than Haiti

flowerpower23:
So are they deserving from Africa or not?

The only thing they deserve from Africa is a better and rapid “all-round” development in the continent …… real time development and growth where everyone can thrive equally and where every necessary thing needed for human survival is easily available,

so that one day they can happily return to the continent leaving all discrimination they are facing in the west alone!

What on earth? Are you white? Or Haitian self? You're saying they should have continued being enslaved and treated as subhuman?

Samishiba:

And was it worth it? Haiti is one of the poorest countries in the world that depends of white countries help. Jamaica don't killed anyone and are more sucessfull than Haiti

I agree. That doesn't really answer the question though. If America has a moral obligation to pay reparations for purchasing them, does Africa have a moral obligation to pay reparations for selling them?

Isaacpromise1:


The only thing they deserve from Africa is a better and rapid “all-round” development in the continent …… real time development and growth where everyone can thrive equally and where every necessary thing needed for human survival is easily available,

so that one day they can happily return to the continent leaving all discrimination they are facing in the west alone!

flowerpower23:
I agree. That doesn't really answer the question though. If America has a moral obligation to pay reparations for purchasing them, does Africa have a moral obligation to pay reparations for selling them?

NO

flowerpower23:
What on earth? Are you white? Or Haitian self? You're saying they should have continued being enslaved and treated as subhuman?

I'm not Haitian. No i don't say they should have continued being enslaved and treated as subhuman. I understand that blacks have a rebelion to opression. I just don't think they needed have been so gruesome and cruel.
If a person who dismembered other is not a savage also? What is the difference? If white owners dismembered a slave are evil. If black Haitians dismembered whites are ok?
Both of them are evil.

Oh I get it. You're white defending your fellow brethren. Well that makes a conclusive end to it.

Samishiba:


I'm not Haitian. No i don't say they should have continued being enslaved and treated as subhuman. I understand that blacks have a rebelion to opression. I just don't think they needed have been so gruesome and cruel.
If a person who dismembered other is not a savage also? What is the difference? If white owners dismembered a slave are evil. If black Haitians dismembered whites are ok?
Both of them are evil.

flowerpower23:
Oh I get it. You're white defending your fellow brethren. Well that makes a conclusive end to it.

No i'm not white. I'am sensat. The fact that they dismembered them to get their freedom does not make the fact certain. What does raping children and women have to do with achieving freedom? Some took the opportunity to release their demons.
Probably some black Haitians are evil took the opportunity to release their demons. Rape are not required to get their freedom.

Why?

Isaacpromise1:


NO

Why?

Isaacpromise1:


NO

flowerpower23:
Why?

The other Africans who were unfortunately or fortunately (depends on individual point of view) left behind in the continent during the slavery and colonization era, were they celebrating, winning, partying while the other folks were been bundled to Europe, Asia and America??

Both “the exported and the left behind” had their share of woes, brutality and evil share of what slavery brings!

It’s a two way thing …… No one owes each other ; the only thing Africa Continent owes all blacks around the world is what I’ve explained earlier.