Loftus Cheek is the definition of a luxury and useless player who likes doing meaningless fancy things. This fool suffocated the hell out of Jorginho yesterday. Never tracking back, always out of position, lazy etc

amodu:


The point you're trying to make is very clear and there is no iota of favouritism for Jorginho to down play Kante's uniqueness to our team in all of your submissions.

However, those countering you are doing so to downplay Jorginho's effort, as if he doesn't contribute a meaningful quota to our team play.

There is no being without a flaw, Jorginho's flaw shouldn't be used as a measure to rubbish his contributions.

Does he though?

That's really the question.

In the absence of Kovacic and Kante, we can really examine Jorginho quota to team play without the influence of of best two midfielders bailing him out.

We saw him against Manyoo. Tuchel had to make one funny excuse that the Floodlights confused Jorginho. We saw him against Watford - Tuchel came out and said we stole 3 points.

We saw Jorginho again against Westham. Tuchel actually came out and said Jorginho should not have put Mendy under pressure with that stüpid pass. Now again, we see him again against Leeds where we needed Rudiger cüntish antics to win 2 PKs, one in the 94th minute for God's sake. Again Tuchel felt the need to single out Jorginho for excuses, telling us the man is playing through injury because he knows Kova and Kante are out

I can accept that Jorginho is the best of an at-all at-all situation, but when the manager literally has to placate fans for Jorginho in particular for consecutive league games, I won't accept a revisionist agenda that Jorginho is integral to this team, or that he brings other qualities that Kante or Kova don't...

It's simply not true.

User09:
In what world is a combo of Kante-Kovacic a thing? Has no one been paying attention to this Chelsea team?

2 drifters in the middle of the pitch. I can't believe this.

Y'all will just say anything to deny Jorginho of his attributes. Good thing, those that matter don't see these things you see

That's the only reason Jogginghoe still has a place in the team. The minute we buy a specialist, that belle-face joggers days are over.

Both Kante and Kovacic do their CM role twice as good as Jogginghoe does his DM role.

The minute Kante and Kova are out the team, we can see how much of the upward pressure and work they are carrying for the jogger.

donjazet:


Unfortunately we are poor in that department. Our central midfielders for the past 8 years have all been poor with their shot, none in the mould of Gerald, scholes, lampard etc[b]. Form Mikel obi to matic, fabregas, kante, and jorginho. All have been very poor at their shooting techniques. But it's no coincidence that jorginho has scored more goals than all of them. [/b]And goals do make a difference anyhow you want to analyze it.

Unless jorginho's goals were open play then it pure coincidence.

Now I understand Tuchel reluctance to move from a back 3. This past few games have made it clear. Each and every single defender we have are mad including Mendy. Without the Midfield protection they will all be exposed badly.

Capaldi:
Loftus Cheek is the definition of a luxury and useless player who likes doing meaningless fancy things. This fool suffocated the hell out of Jorginho yesterday. Never tracking back, always out of position, lazy etc

Not according to the useless stats used to hail Jorginho.

When it's time for Jorginho to play with a normal midfielder less energetic than Kante and Kova, it's time for Jorginho to do more work, he can't. The below shows us RLC was not completely lazy. It's the lazy man Jorginho who is used to being covered by uber energetic players who couldn't provide a bit more

donjazet:


Unfortunately we are poor in that department. Our central midfielders for the past 8 years have all been poor with their shot, none in the mould of Gerald, scholes, lampard etc. Form Mikel obi to matic, fabregas, kante, and jorginho. All have been very poor at their shooting techniques. But it's no coincidence that jorginho has scored more goals than all of them. And goals do make a difference anyhow you want to analyze it.

I understand you’re point perfectly, I’m only asking if you think Jorginho and Kovacic shoots better than Kante?

If yes, do you have goals back up your claims?

Kantebets:
when rice/tchouamenj comes next season he must be sold
E sure me

Fuc..k thaat. Recall Gallagher from Crystal palace in January and send loftus to them. I watched Glimour yesterday and he was very good. We have two potential midfielders who could do a job for us for next season. Rice should never set foot in Stamford Bridge.

Capaldi:
Now I understand Tuchel reluctance to move from a back 3. This past few games have made it clear. Each and every single defender we have are mad including Mendy. Without the Midfield protection they will all be exposed badly.

Talk about turning logic on his head.

Who is supposed to provide the midfield protection to the defence? The three defenders is there exactly because Jogginghoe is incapable of providing midfield protection, so they use community defence to cover themselves.

This guy is a big mumu. Someone who just stated DeJong and Jorginho will work, yet DeJong and Busquet who utterly dominated Jorginho in Euros doesn't work.

We just paid 100milion for a deadwood Lukaku and some of you want Rice that will cost over 80million. I will take Glimour and Gallagher any day and twice in Sunday.

Jogginghoe, the only DM that either needs 3 centre backs behind him (Chelsea) or 2 DMs infront of him (Italy)

And these leprous fingers have nerve to call RLC a luxury player. What's more luxury than that?

Capaldi:

Fuc..k thaat. Recall Gallagher from Crystal palace in January and send loftus to them. I watched Glimour yesterday and he was very good. We have two potential midfielders who could do a job for us for next season. Rice should never set foot in Stamford Bridge.

Gallagher is not a CM or DM.. His best position is higher up the pitch or the third midfielder in a 4-3-3

donjazet:
RLC should never play for us again. This guy is useless in midfield. Makes poor decisions constantly, putting his teammates in trouble. I really can't wait to have kovacic and kante back.

I swear my entire guys watching the match with me was swearing for Loftus Cheek. He doesn't understand the basics of being a midfielder. I was pitying for Jorginho all through.

thorrvik55:


Gallagher is not a CM or DM.. His best position is higher up the pitch or the third midfielder in a 4-3-3

That guy no sabi ball, just capping nonsense

Gallagher, Mount, Barkley and RLC belong to the same group of AMs or a 3 man midfield at best

thorrvik55:


Gallagher is not a CM or DM.. His best position is higher up the pitch or the third midfielder in a 4-3-3

What nonsense are you typing? Gallagher is box to box midfielder. He is a central midfielder. He can also do a job as a Dm.

1st pic.... Crystal palace this season

2nd pic....West brom last season

Ibime:


That guy no sabi ball, just capping nonsense

Gallagher, Mount, Barkley and RLC belong to the same group of AMs or a 3 man midfield at best

Of course, that arrogance rears its head again. Because someone doesn't agree to your point of view, he is a mumu. Because somehow you've managed to convince yourself that you know more than other fans. There's a word for that you know.

User09:
In what world is a combo of Kante-Kovacic a thing? Has no one been paying attention to this Chelsea team?

2 drifters in the middle of the pitch. I can't believe this.

Y'all will just say anything to deny Jorginho of his attributes. Good thing, those that matter don't see these things you see

Only good game I've seen from that pairing was Athletico away last season

donjazet:


Of course, that arrogance rears its head again. Because someone doesn't agree to your point of view, he is a mumu. Because somehow you've managed to convince yourself that you know more than other fans. There's a word for that you know.

You better face front Captain save-a-nigga.

A mumu who's said in the last 24 hours that he wants to pair DeJong with Jorginho, that 3 centrebacks is because they can't survive without midfield protection (who is supposed to be providing?), now claiming Gallagher would be a great pivot player. I just have to call out his irritating foolishness.

nihilistjnr:


Does he though?

That's really the question.

In the absence of Kovacic and Kante, we can really examine Jorginho quota to team play without the influence of of best two midfielders bailing him out.

We saw him against Manyoo. Tuchel had to make one funny excuse that the Floodlights confused Jorginho. We saw him against Watford - Tuchel came out and said we stole 3 points.

We saw Jorginho again against Westham. Tuchel actually came out and said Jorginho should not have put Mendy under pressure with that stüpid pass. Now again, we see him again against Leeds where we needed Rudiger cüntish antics to win 2 PKs, one in the 94th minute for God's sake. Again Tuchel felt the need to single out Jorginho for excuses, telling us the man is playing through injury because he knows Kova and Kante are out

I can accept that Jorginho is the best of an at-all at-all situation, but when the manager literally has to placate fans for Jorginho in particular for consecutive league games, I won't accept a revisionist agenda that Jorginho is integral to this team, or that he brings other qualities that Kante or Kova don't...

It's simply not true.

Balance the equation, measure the contribution of either Kante or Kovacic in the absence of Jorginho.

We have seen the shame of Kante and Kovacic pairings in few games, the less said, the better. Why not wait for either of the two to be paired with immature RLC and good for nothing Saul before concluding.

That said, football is a team sport, why measure Jorginho's ability individually and not collectively as a team? Do not because you want to underestimate him rubbish the scope of team game.

He has worked with many coaches and none has felt the need to replace him, apparently, he is in a class of his own judging by the reality on ground.

I just hope you will not be shocked if Tuchel do the same.

Capaldi:

Fuc..k thaat. Recall Gallagher from Crystal palace in January and send loftus to them. I watched Glimour yesterday and he was very good. We have two potential midfielders who could do a job for us for next season. Rice should never set foot in Stamford Bridge.

so between Rice and Gilmour who is better?

Ibime:


That's the only reason Jogginghoe still has a place in the team. The minute we buy a specialist, that belle-face joggers days are over.

Both Kante and Kovacic do their CM role twice as good as Jogginghoe does his DM role.

The minute Kante and Kova are out the team, we can see how much of the upward pressure and work they are carrying for the jogger.

When Jorginho become aged...

Kantebets:
so between Rice and Gilmour who is better?

Between wasting 80million plus and Glimour, I pick Glimour every day of the week.

Havertz10:
Havertz and consistency these days

Havertz was terrible yesterday bro. You nigga need to step up.

Capaldi:

What nonsense are you typing? Gallagher is box to box midfielder. He is a central midfielder. He can also do a job as a Dm.

1st pic.... Crystal palace this season

2nd pic....West brom last season

I should be the one asking u what nonsense u are typing for suggesting Gallagher should be recalled to take up one of the CM positions..

RLC currently plays as one of the midfielders in a two man midfield..

Crystal Palace line up in a 4-2-3-1/4-3-3 formation. Gallagher plays as the third midfielder in the 4-3-3 or number 10 in a 4-2-3-1.
If u notice I said his "best" position.. Not that he can't play in a two man midfield but he would be better playing higher up the pitch or the third midfielder in a 4-3-3

thorrvik55:


Gallagher is not a CM or DM.. His best position is higher up the pitch or the third midfielder in a 4-3-3

Pic 1: Palace last PL game (Vs Manyoo)

Pic 2: Their game Vs Arsenal earlier this season

In this current Chelsea formation, Gallagher's best position would be where Mount plays (one of the two positions behind the striker) not CM

amodu:


Balance the equation, measure the contribution of either Kante or Kovacic in the absence of Jorginho.

We have seen the shame of Kante and Kovacic pairings in few games, the less said, the better. Why not wait for either of the two to be paired with immature RLC and good for nothing Saul before concluding.
That said, football is a team sport, why measure Jorginho's ability individually and not collectively as a team? Do not because you want to underestimate him rubbish the scope of team game.

He has worked with many coaches and none has felt the need to replace him, apparently, he is in a class of his own judging by the reality on ground.
I just hope you will not be shocked if Tuchel do the same.

Very very brilliant point.
Let's pair kante with RLC or Saul and see whether we would not struggle with them..
As i said earlier, once you start hating someone, you just can't stop. Till today, Ibime finds every avenue he can to discredit Drogba and iniesta. Two of the best players of the last decade. That's because he just couldn't stop criticizing, even when they won something, it was always because of other team members. Never their own making.

thorrvik55:


[s] I should be the one asking u what nonsense u are typing for suggesting Gallagher should be recalled to take up one of the CM positions..

RLC currently plays as one of the midfielders in a two man midfield..

Crystal Palace line up in a 4-2-3-1/4-3-3 formation. Gallagher plays as the third midfielder in the 4-3-3 or number 10 in a 4-2-3-1.
If u notice I said his "best" position.. Not that he can't play in a two man midfield but he would be better playing higher up the pitch or the third midfielder in a 4-3-3



Pic 1: Palace last PL game (Vs Manyoo)

Pic 2: Their game Vs Arsenal earlier this season

In this current Chelsea formation, Gallagher's best position would be where Mount plays (one of the two positions behind the striker) not CM [/s]

" Best position" because of few matches under Vieria lol. You went from he is not a Cm and Dm to talking about "Best position. Stop capping nonsense here.

Ibime:


That's the only reason Jogginghoe still has a place in the team. The minute we buy a specialist, that belle-face joggers days are over.

Both Kante and Kovacic do their CM role twice as good as Jogginghoe does his DM role.

The minute Kante and Kova are out the team, we can see how much of the upward pressure and work they are carrying for the jogger.

Over 4 seasons now and it's still the same shiit. Don't the club know we need a new specialist?

Exonerate1:


Over 4 seasons now and it's still the same shiit. Don't the club know we need a new specialist?

First year Sarri, 2nd year transfer ban, 3rd year Lampard wanted Rice and Havertz was prioritised, this year Tuchel has targetted Tchouameni but Lukaku was prioritised.

Chelsea have too many players. We have to ship many before buying. We deal with deadwoods one at time.

Exonerate1:


Over 4 seasons now and it's still the same shiit. Don't the club know we need a new specialist?

4 seasons, 2 European cup for us and 5 cup finals. Yet, he's not good enough for us. No be juju be that.

nihilistjnr:


What are the odds that Rudiger would win two PKs in the same match, one of them in the 94th minute

If Jorginho only contribution is PK, some of which he misses anyway, he should sit down and rest. If not that Saul is a bust and RLC is s scam, we really shouldn't be having this discussion.

TT recognises the problem and when we saw him experiment with Saul and James partnership, it's not because he's s Bible scholar.

Jorginho is only starting right now because there are no other options in the team, not because he brings anything over Kante or Kova. That's a shortcoming that the recruitment team need to rectify as early as January. Wing back positions are also a problem that need solving ASAP

Kante with RLC will be just fine as long as RLC sits. He can sit and let Kante do all the work and use fake stats to claim importance like Jorginho does

donjazet:


Very very brilliant point.
Let's pair kante with RLC or Saul and see whether we would not struggle with them..
As i said earlier, once you start hating someone, you just can't stop. Till today, Ibime finds every avenue he can to discredit Drogba and iniesta. Two of the best players of the last decade. That's because he just couldn't stop criticizing, even when they won something, it was always because of other team members. Never their own making.

You're doing a wonderful job my brother with not agreeing with Ibime to rub his ideas on you.

Ibime is very logical and possessor of healthy intelligence quotient, when he takes a stand, he doesn't shift. Do not be expectant he will succumb to you in any engagement. Even if he at some point, he agree, it will be within him, he will never admit nor express it.

No be today ooo, e Don tey