donjazet:


He has already done this. To be the 3rd best player while playing with us underlines this. He will always always be remembered for this.

amodu:


It is well.

How I wish our present crops of attackers are reliable as Drogba.

The trio of Joshua King, Ismaila Sarr and Emmanuel Dennis have scored 17 goals for Watford in the league this season.

I am actually perturbed at our attackers impotence.

Leyqute:


You sure say season no go don end by then?

Maximilan:


Been a legend of a club shouldn’t be something to be argued over, the incessant arguments not just here but everywhere proves otherwise, he’s not popular among the Chelsea fan base or even to our rivals, haven’t seen an opposition fan wanting Jorginho in their team, while I might agree he’s slightly overly criticized here he’s not also ‘all that’ he’s been termed here. As for the club I don’t think he’s surpassed Mikel’s contribution to CFC

donjazet:


Who doesn't know he's slow. Did you not see the follow up sentence of how he makes up for that?
Is busquet not slow? Is Xabi alonso not slow, is pirlo not slow? Is mascherano not slow? Is ozil not slow? Don't all these players have qualities that overqualify them for their roles?

popizaino:
I can just let go of the fact that this guy is now a rival and scoring every now and then. If only we had kept him like we kept liability like jorginho, we wouldn't have ended up with generational talents, Werner, ziyech, Odoi. This one alone could have solve most of our attacking problems. Meanwhile, it seems Messi is not happy in Paris, can we just try out our luck on him, we can combine all this Ziyech, Werner, Barkley, Odoi salary and give him alone.

donjazet:
Jorginho is indeed slow, [a common trait for players of his role], busquet, mascherano, rodri, modric, pirlo, Xabi alonso etc.

hopefulLandlord:

LMao! Luka Modric and "slow" in the same sentence. Modric might not be the fastest real Madrid player but he's the fastest among the trio that plays midfield for real Madrid. one minute he's setting up attacks the next minute he's chasing opposition players back in his eighteen yard box. Slow is Kroos

Ibime:


This is the sort of take that sounds intelligent but really is not.

donjazet:


I thought we just spoke about this? insulting one's intelligence while making your point. Hmm.

donjazet:
As to your point Ibime, jorginho is infact press resistant. You keep repeating this lie over and over again. He does make good half-turns to evade pressure or uses short passes to evade the press.
He's also very good at giving accurate long passes and has a good eye for the pass.
Just try to watch him with an unbiased mind.

Also, I implore you to read this article below, it might help in better understanding jorginho's strength and what he brings the team.

Ibime:


If he is press resistant, he won't be dropping 30 passes a game against good opposition, hiding behind players like he does when game is tough and passing belle-face back to where it came from.

You can't be press resistant and dropping 30 passes, simple.

Ibime:


This is the sort of take that sounds intelligent but really is not.

You are are harking back to a bygone era of football where Malouda and co sit back and let deep lying playmakers have the field without challenge. All the players above suffered under the transition to the high press of modern football from 2013 to 2015. We saw Barcelona whitewashed severally by Bayern and Xavi Alonso whitewashed by high press of Real and Barca. Busquet struggles in modern football should be proof enough that facing Salah, Mane, Son, Coman, Sane running down on you at full speed is different from Xavi having all the time in the world in 2010 as Malouda and co sit behind their halfway line.

Modric is very fast for a CM even till his old age, and was bursting past players with speed even at the last Euros. He played leftwing at Spurs to show you how quick he is, besides he is not the primary DM. Hopeful Landlord set you straight below.

Xabi Alonso struggled under high press and led Bayern to many disgraces in the Pep years at Bayern.

Pirlo always struggled with it and was whitewashed by Barca and Spain regularly in uncompetitive scorelines.

Rodri has been a massive downgrade on Fernandinho who had that team at a natural level of scoring 98, 99 points a season.

Busquet has been a basket in modern football, along with DeJong.

Successful DMs of the last years are mostly Fabinho and Casemiro. If a snail DM like Jorginho won anything, it's only by parking bus which is the antithesis of what you pick such a player for.

For any snail DM to be worth it in modern football, you at least need the press resistance and control of Xavi and the long ball vision of Pirlo to compensate for how open you leave your team to rapid wingplay of modern era. Or you can simply park bus like Jogginghoe, drop 30 passes for the game, and forego any pretences to being a playmaker.

donjazet:


Ibime, let me ask you this, do you disagree with the qualities Tuchel has used to describe jorginho below??
I have given you excerpts of the best coaches in the world outlining this player's qualities.
Do you disagree with the 3 of them?

Tuchel has highlighted his excellent reading of the game and dictation of the tempo of the game.
Mourinho has highlighted his ability to withstand pressure with the ball. {Being press resistant}.
Guardiola highlights jorginho's impressive passing with the ball and ability to evade pressure.

All these are key elements to today's type of positional play.
Why do you keep contradicting all of them?
Why do you keep saying jorginho is not press resistant counter to what every other person is seeing?

raumdeuter:




Belotti scored 100 goals in 8 seasons making it an average of 12.5 goals per season

Of those 100 goals 23 penalties, Without penalties Belotti has 77 goals in the Serie A. An average of 9.6 goals per season

popizaino:



You are never here or there when talking about DM,and this your write up just sums it up. I can see enough loopholes to attack from but then we will be repeating what we have said or heard before.

airmark:


When will your Benzema score 25+ league goals in a season as a professional striker?

donjazet:
[b]As to your point Ibime, jorginho is infact press resistant. You keep repeating this lie over and over again. H[/b]e does make good half-turns to evade pressure or uses short passes to evade the press.
He's also very good at giving accurate long passes and has a good eye for the pass.
Just try to watch him with an unbiased mind.

Also, I implore you to read this article below, it might help in better understanding jorginho's strength and what he brings the team.

https://www.football365.com/news/opinion-jorginho-tuchel-non-negotiable-chelsea

donjazet:
As to your point Ibime, jorginho is infact press resistant. You keep repeating this lie over and over again. He does make good half-turns to evade pressure or uses short passes to evade the press.
He's also very good at giving accurate long passes and has a good eye for the pass.
Just try to watch him with an unbiased mind.

Also, I implore you to read this article below, it might help in better understanding jorginho's strength and what he brings the team.

https://www.football365.com/news/opinion-jorginho-tuchel-non-negotiable-chelsea

nihilistjnr:


In 2019, I sat in Emirates in minus degree weather watching Ramsey literally mark Jorginho out the game. Jorginho doesn't have the technique or physicality to be described as press resistant. Press resistant? Jorginho?
Did you see what Sancho did to him just last month?

popizaino:



Why is it always Read! Read!! and Read!!! and not watch? Can't you refer us to moment, instances or matches were we can see this things they talk about him happening? Is there something they don't want us to see? And pls, where did you see the emboldened?

donjazet:
Ibime you are showing us selective stats and that's just disingenuous of you.
Jorginho is our highest passer in the team.

Ibime:


We read your report live from Emirates that day how Ramsey pressed him to sege. That was the day you gave him the nickname akpuruka

popizaino:



Why is it always Read! Read!! and Read!!! and not watch? Can't you refer us to moment, instances or matches were we can see this things they talk about him happening? Is there something they don't want us to see? And pls, where did you see the emboldened?

nihilistjnr:


Omo you get long memory o. That day I wan cry.

Ramsey and Lacazette followed the guy to tk the point where he refused to even show for pass again. At one point, na Kova go dey drop between CBS to collect ball.

TV camera will follow the ball, so won't always show what's happening off the ball, especially when we were attacking. Jorginho could not breathe, the man looked like a hostage

nihilistjnr:




This is the guy they called press resistant. Tufia

izzou:


Person lose ball, still stand there...

Sometimes, when people defend this guy vehemently, I start to wonder if it's another Jorginho I watch.

Not to take anything away from his success, but that guy no be am.