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Re: My 8 Year Old Son's Debate With A 7yr Old Atheist by Blakjewelry(m): 11:46pm On Dec 13, 2021 |
Tetehjewels:Sorry for that |
Re: My 8 Year Old Son's Debate With A 7yr Old Atheist by ratiken(m): 11:49pm On Dec 13, 2021 |
Blakjewelry: Spot on. The focus for any normal person of interest should be spirituality and not religion. Christianity, Islam, Buddha, African traditionalist were are all means societies of the past exercised their spiritual energies in line with their local customs and norms. None is superior to the other..... We as humans can never decipher all the levels and aspects of the force behind creation but can aspire to higher levels of spirituality to better ourselves and humanity Per Christian religion, all my fore fathers are in hell because they did not accept a Jesus they did not know about?....... nawa ooo 7 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: My 8 Year Old Son's Debate With A 7yr Old Atheist by alphaNomega: 11:50pm On Dec 13, 2021 |
Tetehjewels: Do you know just as someone's imagination made Harry Potter, Lord of the Ring and other blockbuster movies very popular among many of us it is the same way someone (or a group of people) created this concept of religion and made it prevail ? Two places I can recall having a talking donkey are 1. the Holy Bible 2. Shrek ...and I can bet you have not seen or heard of a talking donkey in real life. 10 Likes 1 Share |
Re: My 8 Year Old Son's Debate With A 7yr Old Atheist by Blakjewelry(m): 11:51pm On Dec 13, 2021 |
1Sharon:Why would I when history speak otherwise. The Jews of old have a lot religious documents. Majority of them didn't make it to the bible. You have the book of Adam and Eve, the book of Enoch, the apocryphal of Moses, the apocryphal of Abraham, just to mention a few infact they are thousands of them, and I love to read them whenever I get my hand on some. And you can do well to apologize to the young man if you did insult his son, not cool 2 Likes |
Re: My 8 Year Old Son's Debate With A 7yr Old Atheist by alphaNomega: 12:01am On Dec 14, 2021 |
Tetehjewels: This means your son does not care if God is real or not as long as it makes him feel happy. Good point. Ignorance is bliss. 8 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: My 8 Year Old Son's Debate With A 7yr Old Atheist by Blakjewelry(m): 12:01am On Dec 14, 2021 |
Eifour:https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feral_child https://theweek.com/articles/471164/6-cases-children-being-raised-by-animals No the idea of right or wrong is not innate rather learn. Infact one of our core innate ability is defense you can call it violence, it is inbuilt because it protects the organism. |
Re: My 8 Year Old Son's Debate With A 7yr Old Atheist by GeniusHawlah(m): 12:05am On Dec 14, 2021 |
Tetehjewels:Thinking you lied doesn't equate I have a problem with the lie. You should understand something that basic I suppose. ![]() |
Re: My 8 Year Old Son's Debate With A 7yr Old Atheist by 1Sharon(f): 12:07am On Dec 14, 2021 |
Blakjewelry: You said this: Blakjewelry: "My son!" "my son!" Is his son made of gold? OP is an arrogant twаt 1 Like |
Re: My 8 Year Old Son's Debate With A 7yr Old Atheist by Blakjewelry(m): 12:27am On Dec 14, 2021 |
1Sharon:Wanted to say it's all myth. He is enjoying his parenthood, at least give him that. I don't usually argue on this atheist and religious folks clash because it will lead to nowhere. I was once a Christian, back I am not you are going to say anything that will crack that shell. But right now I am perfectly fine were I am. History and and science informed my present state, right now I no longer afraid of anything not juju, not one big trumpet sounding to end the world. In fact I feel very peaceful, my girl who I love Walk out recently because of this religion matter, I know it's the one sacrifice she wanted from me but she knows I can live a lie, so I had to let her go wishh her well. 4 Likes |
Re: My 8 Year Old Son's Debate With A 7yr Old Atheist by leofab(f): 12:29am On Dec 14, 2021 |
Tetehjewels:what if grandma died in an attempt to kill him and he doesn’t know? Won’t Uncle Dennis feel bad if he is privy to the information of grandma’ intentions? |
Re: My 8 Year Old Son's Debate With A 7yr Old Atheist by 1Sharon(f): 12:36am On Dec 14, 2021 |
leofab: What? ![]() |
Re: My 8 Year Old Son's Debate With A 7yr Old Atheist by 1Sharon(f): 12:41am On Dec 14, 2021 |
Blakjewelry: Lol alot of people have lost their belief on this forum, myself included. The atheists comment here really do make alot of theists think, just look at the ratio of likes on atheist Vs theists comments. 10 yes ago it wasnt like this. But then to actually prove god exists or doesn't exist? Is a different matter entirely |
Re: My 8 Year Old Son's Debate With A 7yr Old Atheist by leofab(f): 12:42am On Dec 14, 2021 |
Tetehjewels:you forget we all die; birthed; eat ; drink ; feel pains; etc.. these are universal phenomenon and if there is really a being relating with humans the relationship would have been same; just like the aforementioned… 1 Like |
Re: My 8 Year Old Son's Debate With A 7yr Old Atheist by leofab(f): 12:46am On Dec 14, 2021 |
TemmyT002:so who created the god ? I guess you are foolish enough not provide an answer? 3 Likes |
Re: My 8 Year Old Son's Debate With A 7yr Old Atheist by 1MILLIONLiGHTS(m): 12:48am On Dec 14, 2021 |
Tetehjewels: I always feel tired arguing with Atheists. A special Rehab should be organized for them... I PITY THEM. |
Re: My 8 Year Old Son's Debate With A 7yr Old Atheist by 1Sharon(f): 12:51am On Dec 14, 2021 |
1MILLIONLiGHTS: 3 Likes
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Re: My 8 Year Old Son's Debate With A 7yr Old Atheist by leofab(f): 12:56am On Dec 14, 2021 |
am4truth:ignorance ![]() ![]() 4 Likes |
Re: My 8 Year Old Son's Debate With A 7yr Old Atheist by hupernikao: 1:00am On Dec 14, 2021 |
Sapiosexuality: The burden of God's morality is placed on a proper interpretation of his words by the reader. His words (or what is claimed as his words) in this case, the scriptures, are everywhere. The burden will be on the reader to read properly and find the intent of the author to understand what he says. But not to conjure assumptions and false information like burning forever. When this is done properly, you will reach the destination of your search and find the solution to the problem above. God is always good. 2 Likes |
Re: My 8 Year Old Son's Debate With A 7yr Old Atheist by leofab(f): 1:03am On Dec 14, 2021 |
Worksunlimited:those that died; was it god that killed them? 1 Like |
Re: My 8 Year Old Son's Debate With A 7yr Old Atheist by NNTR: 1:04am On Dec 14, 2021 |
Corea4king:1 Corinthians 15:33-58 33Do not be deceived: “Bad company corrupts good morals.” 34Be sober-minded [be sensible, wake up from your spiritual stupor] as you ought, and stop sinning; for some [of you] have no knowledge of God [you are disgracefully ignorant of Him, and ignore His truths]. I say this to your shame. 35But someone will say, “How are the dead raised? And with what kind of body will they come?” 36You fool! Every time you plant seed you sow something that does not come to life [germinating, springing up and growing] unless it first dies. 37The seed you sow is not the body (the plant) which it is going to become, but it is a bare seed, perhaps of wheat or some other grain. 38But God gives it a body just as He planned, and to each kind of seed a body of its own [is given]. 39All flesh is not the same. There is one kind for humans, for animals, another for birds, and another for fish. 40There are also heavenly bodies [sun, moon and stars] and earthly bodies [humans, animals, and plants], but the glory and beauty of the heavenly is one kind, and the glory of the earthly is another. 41There is a glory and beauty of the sun, another glory of the moon, yet another [distinctive] glory of the stars; and one star differs from another in glory and brilliance. 42So it is with the resurrection of the dead. The [human] body that is sown is perishable and mortal, it is raised imperishable and immortal. 43It is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in strength; 44it is sown a natural body [mortal, suited to earth], is raised a spiritual body [immortal, suited to heaven]. surely as there is a physical body, there is also a spiritual body. 45So it is written [in Scripture], “The first MAN, Adam, BECAME A LIVING SOUL (an individual);” the last Adam (Christ) became a life-giving spirit [restoring the dead to life]. 46However, the spiritual [the immortal life] is not first, but the physical [the mortal life]; then the spiritual. 47The first man [Adam] is from the earth, earthy [made of dust]; the second Man [Christ, the Lord] is from heaven. 48As is the earthly man [the man of dust], so are those who are of earth; and as is the heavenly [Man], so are those who are of heaven. 49Just as we have borne the image of the earthly [the man of dust], we will also bear the image of the heavenly [the Man of heaven]. 50Now I say this, believers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit nor be part of the kingdom of God; nor does the perishable (mortal) inherit the imperishable (immortal). 51Listen very carefully, I tell you a mystery [a secret truth decreed by God and previously hidden, but now revealed]; we will not all sleep [in death], but we will all be [completely] changed [wondrously transformed], 52in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at [the sound of] the last trumpet call. For a trumpet will sound, and the dead [who believed in Christ] will be raised imperishable, and we will be [completely] changed [wondrously transformed]. 53For this perishable [part of us] must put on the imperishable [nature], and this mortal [part of us that is capable of dying] must put on immortality [which is freedom from death]. 54And when this perishable puts on the imperishable, and this mortal puts on immortality, then the Scripture will be fulfilled that says, “DEATH IS SWALLOWED UP in victory (vanquished forever). 55O DEATH, WHERE IS YOUR VICTORY? O DEATH, WHERE IS YOUR STING?” 56The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin [by which it brings death] is the law; 57but thanks be to God, who gives us the victory [as conquerors] through our Lord Jesus Christ. 58Therefore, my beloved brothers and sisters, be steadfast, immovable, always excelling in the work of the Lord [always doing your best and doing more than is needed], being continually aware that your labor [even to the point of exhaustion] in the Lord is not futile nor wasted [it is never without purpose] According to the word of God, 1 Corinthians 15:52 answers your question, by telling when we'll be transformed into another species LordReed:We are in the end times, thats closer than 20 million years LordReed:Speak for yourself instead of saying, we won't be around to see it LordReed:Rom 1:18-21 18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; 19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. 20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: 21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Of course, the bible testifies that the nature of the universe and or the creation of the universe gives clear testimony to God's existence, however the nature of the universe can sometimes, be a limiting source of truth, this argued on the basis, that the nature of the universe, gives a partial perception of God, that not everyone hones in on or grasps Tetehjewels StJohnofChrist Image123 Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories. 1 Like |
Re: My 8 Year Old Son's Debate With A 7yr Old Atheist by leofab(f): 1:07am On Dec 14, 2021 |
LordReed:so how do a plant grows towards sunlight ? |
Re: My 8 Year Old Son's Debate With A 7yr Old Atheist by Aidejay(m): 1:10am On Dec 14, 2021 |
As usual the thread ended with insults and snide remarks. After reading through the only tangible thing I learnt is that atheism isn't just disbelief in the existence of God it is more broad than that. Also became more convinced to go after spirituality instead of religion, seek understanding instead of being right. Also learnt that both atheist and theist need validation for their beliefs and it must come from somewhere. OP has a smart son. Ethan too! A seven year old asking questions or making such conversations. It is logical reasoning at its peak. Even if he becomes religious in the long term it would be borne out of deep resolution. . Unlike some of us that are religious because of our environment and family ties. Nice thread. This is for those who are not atheist but have so many questions. My advice is ask them. Don't be bullied into the stigma that comes from having questions. 2 Likes |
Re: My 8 Year Old Son's Debate With A 7yr Old Atheist by hupernikao: 1:17am On Dec 14, 2021 |
LordReed: You left out a third individual which is central to this argument. Let me add it below (bold). ... either something is wrong with that method or with the individuals since they cannot agree on what they are experiencing. Or with a 3rd set of individuals who are not experiencing the God, since others are experiencing him but they dont. LordReed Five men who watch an event pass by, will give five different accounts of it, no matter how close their explanation are, their experiences will differ and will reflect in their explanations. Now imagine a sixth man, who chooses to close his eyes to the passing event. He will have no experience to share, nor even know such events ever happened. Mostly even argue about its existence, asking for objective evidence. This is the plight of an atheist. |
Re: My 8 Year Old Son's Debate With A 7yr Old Atheist by airexx: 1:22am On Dec 14, 2021 |
Tetehjewels:Oh... I thought ur kid knows it all and doesn't need to learn anything again. 3 Likes |
Re: My 8 Year Old Son's Debate With A 7yr Old Atheist by hupernikao: 1:24am On Dec 14, 2021 |
Blakjewelry: Bro, what greater truth. Can you share what that means. |
Re: My 8 Year Old Son's Debate With A 7yr Old Atheist by TemmyT002(m): 1:26am On Dec 14, 2021 |
leofab: You people never thought about the fact that there are millions of species yet to be found. So many things humans still understand. Yet you think you are wise to know about your own creator. Are you freaking kidding me? You are a nobody. Your opinion doesn't matter to that creator. 1 Like |
Re: My 8 Year Old Son's Debate With A 7yr Old Atheist by hupernikao: 1:31am On Dec 14, 2021 |
Blakjewelry: Quite interesting you have the Bible cover to cover. Just wondering what informed you to neglect your commitment to it if you have truly read it well. |
Re: My 8 Year Old Son's Debate With A 7yr Old Atheist by hupernikao: 1:32am On Dec 14, 2021 |
Blakjewelry: Was this part of what you read from the scriptures Sir.? |
Re: My 8 Year Old Son's Debate With A 7yr Old Atheist by hupernikao: 1:44am On Dec 14, 2021 |
1Sharon: Sis, don't celebrate this. It's still day. Most of those likes are from those I call untrained psychologist who camouflage as atheist. Those are people we have here. They are neither here or there. Move with the weather. Living a loud mouthed life but no conviction. Time is the test of such. Time breaks them, and instead for them to face it and brace up they find the next level, the next in-vogue. We have seen them come (with their likes/share) and go in this same forum. Only that their unannounced going is usually to change account or become special guest viewers. ![]() So, lots didn't loose their belief as you posit, they only get confused under life pressures and needed a cover to voice the confusion. NL is the cover, atheism is the slogan. 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: My 8 Year Old Son's Debate With A 7yr Old Atheist by 1Sharon(f): 2:19am On Dec 14, 2021 |
hupernikao: |
Re: My 8 Year Old Son's Debate With A 7yr Old Atheist by hupernikao: 2:41am On Dec 14, 2021 |
[quote author=1Sharon post=108478883][/quote] ![]() Are you one of the untrained psychologist? You are showing the traits lately. What's troubling you? 1 Like |
Re: My 8 Year Old Son's Debate With A 7yr Old Atheist by Powersurge: 3:25am On Dec 14, 2021 |
Tetehjewels: I con dey feel say na u made this story up. I see why the other guy dey call those characters fictitious now. 1 Like |
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