NobleRace:
You're someone who sees only through logic. These matters are beyond you. The world isn't a logical world. It's a spiritual world.

I don't see through logic but common sense aka wisdom in this and all things of which logic is only a component of.

The world is not spiritual, instead God and the things of God are - don't confuse the two.

As I said before, God's miracle also makes some Eunuchs from birth, some Eunuchs in life as well.

Ignore him jare

Nadaken:
why are you full of hate

Why are you sad with good news

If he did ivf na your money e take do am

For those shouting IVF here, where did they see where the poster mentioned IVF

O ma funny oooo


They think God cannot do this without IVF


U guys are m@d

DarkJeddi:
I never said God is not involved..

But what stops them from telling others..

How they were able to conceive?

How is telling them..

It's the Lord's doing..

Going to help their cause?

Many Christians tell others what they did. I even know a Pastor couple who did surrogacy. They told us as we wouldn't have known.

Some may be silent about the process but the bottom line is returning the glory to God

Kobojunkie:
Even at that, those who did IVF, need indicate they did so in their stories..

Unfortunately most times they are not the writer of their testimony. I know a Pastor couple who did surrogacy to have their daughter. They told us else we wouldn't have known. I'm sure the church was told because no one saw pastor Mrs while pregnant.

Congratulations!!

Congrats to them.
You that is reading this comment i pray that your wasted years and blessing will locate you at this very moment. Acknowledge this prayer with faith and shout the amen in your heart.

Kobojunkie:
I don't see through logic but common sense aka wisdom in this and all things of which logic is only a component of.

The world is not spiritual, instead God and the things of God are - don't confuse the two.

As I said before, God's miracle also makes some Eunuchs from birth, some Eunuchs in life as well.

Later you'll start quoting scriptures as though you're a Christian. I always said it that you're a deceiving agent of the devil.

The world isn't spiritual,yet, the scriptures talk about the god of this world and the prince of the darkness of this world. The scriptures talk about things of this world that are unseen. Including the prince of the power of the air. Very ignorant of you.

God made the first man and woman. Since then people reproduce themselves. However, there are several factors that could lead to a defective reproduction. This includes bad habits of the parents, lack of good feeding amongst other things. The devil can also put his hands in the birthing process. Many things could go wrong which could not be attributed to God. Yes, some are born Eunuchs. Even the scriptures say so. The scriptures never said God made them Eunuchs. God was the one who commanded man's fruitfulness saying "Be fruitful and multiply." You heretic son of the devil wants to give God's glory to doctors who do not have a hand in the formation of babies in the womb.

Things go wrong for many sundry reasons, yet God fixes what doctors cannot fix. Our God is a miracle working God. May his name be glorified from everlasting to everlasting. Shame of the devil your master and you his deceiving agent.

DarkJeddi:
Of course this was achieved with IVF..

Any multiple birth..

After years of childlessness..

Is a result of IVF..

What about the poor ones that get 5 or 6 babies and the husband runs away because he cannot afford the bills?

TeeGentle:
19 years, some will have lost hope
GOD IS WONDERFUL

SCIENCE IS WONDERFUL!! Hope revived by science breakthrough and money

Jokerman:


God is bigger than IVF..... Abraham gave birth before the invention of IVF....

Someone talked say the people who gave you bible are the same people wey gave you ivf. Is that correct? If yes, how come u dey deny later?

Josbreed:


What about the poor ones that get 5 or 6 babies and the husband runs away because he cannot afford the bills?

Check well, they are not usually the typical couples that looked for pregnancy for 10, 19 or 30 years. Lol

NobleRace:


You're someone who sees only through logic. These matters are beyond you. The world isn't a logical world. It's a spiritual world.

Spiritual and religious people are always full of shiit and gibberish

GetMeRight:


Spiritual and religious people are always full of shiit and gibberish

Yes. Ignorant people see them so until they die and discover that there's more to life than whàt they see on earth.

TenQ:

Unfortunately most times they are not the writer of their testimony. I know a Pastor couple who did surrogacy to have their daughter. They told us else we wouldn't have known. I'm sure the church was told because no one saw pastor Mrs while pregnant.

If this man had openly declared he used surrogacy to achieve this miracle, I am almost certain all Nigerian blogs would carry his story. The problem I believe is that most of your testimonies do not narrate truths but half-truths. Let's not here blame the writers for the issues abeg.

Now in the case you described,if pastor had attempted to hide the truth, the police may have been called by say a conscientious soul or even a neighbor of his out of suspicion that the couple may have stolen the baby or something.... ROFLMAO

NobleRace:
1. Later you'll start quoting scriptures as though you're a Christian. I always said it that you're a deceiving agent of the devil.

2. The world isn't spiritual,yet, the scriptures talk about the god of this world and the prince of the darkness of this world. The scriptures talk about things of this world that are unseen. Including the prince of the power of the air. Very ignorant of you.

3. God made the first man and woman. Since then people reproduce themselves. However, there are several factors that could lead to a defective reproduction. This includes bad habits of the parents, lack of good feeding amongst other things. The devil can also put his hands in the birthing process. Many things could go wrong which could not be attributed to God. Yes, some are born Eunuchs. Even the scriptures say so. The scriptures never said God made them Eunuchs. God was the one who commanded man's fruitfulness saying "Be fruitful and multiply." You heretic son of the devil wants to give God's glory to doctors who do not have a hand in the formation of babies in the womb.

Things go wrong for many sundry reasons, yet God fixes what doctors cannot fix. Our God is a miracle working God. May his name be glorified from everlasting to everlasting. Shame of the devil your master and you his deceiving agent.

1. I don't need permission from you to speak the words of my Master.

2. There you go muddling up what is written in scripture in your attempts at justifying your delusions. Again, The world is not spiritual, instead God and the things of God are - don't confuse the two.

3. WRONG! God created man and woman, some of them He, Almighty God, created Eunuchs from birth, others He allowed to become Eunuchs in life while some chose to be Eunuchs for the sake of the Kingdom of God - Matthew 19 vs 8 - 15. Jesus Christ told you this Truth over 2000 years ago, but instead you lot turn your back on God's Truth so you can spin your delusions about you in His name instead.

Kobojunkie:
If this man had openly declared he used surrogacy to achieve this miracle, I am almost certain all Nigerian blogs would carry his story. The problem I believe is that most of your testimonies do not narrate truths but half-truths. Let's not here blame the writers for the issues abeg.

Now in the case you described,if pastor had attempted to hide the truth, the police may have been called by say a conscientious soul or even a neighbor of his out of suspicion that the couple may have stolen the baby or something.... ROFLMAO

It was legally done with specialist lawyers drawing up agreements.
Of course, there wasn't any secret about it. Surrogacy is legal in Nigeria

TenQ:

It was legally done with specialist lawyers drawing up agreements.
Of course, there wasn't any secret about it. Surrogacy is legal in Nigeria

True but had your pastor chosen to conveniently keep that detail from you all, would you have considered him sane still and his 'testimony' legit?

He mentioned it sir. This is the fifth try. He is my pastor. He said it in church.

DarkJeddi:
Congratulations to them..

Am sure he would forget to mention the wonders of IVF..

All the dedications of the doctors..

And the wonders of modern medical sciences..

Would be drowned under the chorus of Hallelujah!

xynniey:

He mentioned it sir. This is the fifth try. He is my pastor. He said it in church.

Where?

Kobojunkie:
1. I don't need permission from you to speak the words of my Master.

2. There you go muddling up what is written in scripture in your attempts at justifying your delusions. Again, The world is not spiritual, instead God and the things of God are - don't confuse the two.

3. WRONG! God created man and woman, some of them He, Almighty God, created Eunuchs from birth, others He allowed to become Eunuchs in life while some chose to be Eunuchs for the sake of the Kingdom of God - Matthew 19 vs 8 - 15. Jesus Christ told you this Truth over 2000 years ago, but instead you lot turn your back on God's Truth so you can spin your delusions about you in His name instead.

Liar! Pathetic liar like the devil your master. Keep doing the bidding of your master until the judgement comes.

Only a spiritually blind fellow would say the world is not spiritual.

When Jesus said there are those who were born Eunuchs, He didn't imply that they were born unreproductive but rather that they naturally have power over their minds to overcome sexual pressures. Hence, they naturally would not commit sexual sins. He further said "there are those who became Eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of God". This also does not imply that those guys castrated themselves for the sake of God's kingdom but rather, they put their bodies under control and make the necessary sacrifices to overcome sexual sins.

See how the devil's son is turning down scriptures in order to promote his master Satan. Yes, you don't need my permission to speak for your master Satan but the judgment would sit and you, and your master would be given a just measure.

Kobojunkie:
Where?

https://www.facebook.com/HouseOnTheRockAba/videos/610636503474725/

Move to 1:18:20 time

Kobojunkie:
Where?

So you can now rest. You have tried inugo?

NobleRace:
1. Liar! Pathetic liar like the devil your master. Keep doing the bidding of your master until the judgement comes.

2. When Jesus said there are those who were born Eunuchs, He didn't imply that they were born unreproductive but rather that they naturally have power over their minds to overcome sexual pressures. Hence, they naturally would not commit sexual sins. He further said "there are those who became Eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of God". This also does not imply that those guys castrated themselves for the sake of God's kingdom but rather, they put their bodies under control and make the necessary sacrifices to overcome sexual sins.

See how the devil's son is turning down scriptures in order to promote his master Satan. Yes, you don't need my permission to speak for your master Satan but the judgment would sit and you, and your master would be given a just measure.

1. Again...I don't need permission from you to speak the words of my Master.

2. So you think Eunuchs don't have sex at all and that Jesus Christ was somehow talking there of having of sexual desires? You are seriously deceived there, aren't you. I suggest you go back through the context of Matthew 19 vs 1 - 16, so you gain understanding of what Jesus Christ in fact said there, apart from what you claim in your delusion there.

xynniey:

https://www.facebook.com/HouseOnTheRockAba/videos/610636503474725/

Move to 1:18:20 time

I am afraid I don't have access to that link at all. Is there another non subscription source that I can access the video on instead..

xynniey:
So you can now rest. You have tried inugo?

What in the world is inugo?

Kobojunkie:
1. Again...I don't need permission from you to speak the words of my Master.

2. So you think Eunuchs don't have sex at all and that Jesus Christ was somehow talking there of having of sexual desires? You are seriously deceived there, aren't you. I suggest you go back through the context of Matthew 19 vs 1 - 16, so you gain understanding of what Jesus Christ in fact said there, apart from what you claim in your delusion there.

You're very ignorant. An English dictionary online is all you need to understand who Eunuchs are. FYI, Eunuchs don't have sex at all. This is because kings castrate them so that they can attend to the queens without any sexual attraction. Go online and stop disgracing yourself.

Kobojunkie:
I am afraid I don't have access to that link at all. Is there another non subscription source that I can access the video on instead..

Well, its live service replay. Since you are looking for evidence perhaps you should find other means to get the info. I have given you a link.

NobleRace:
You're very ignorant. An English dictionary online is all you need to understand who Eunuchs are. FYI, Eunuchs don't have sex at all. This is because kings castrate them so that they can attend to the queens without any sexual attraction. Go online and stop disgracing yourself.

Um....

Sigh! Here's what you can obtain from an online search ln this topic....maybe it wil help you since your obviously don't care to understand what Jesus Christ said in that context. https://www.quora.com/Do-eunuchs-have-sexual-desires

https://www.quora.com/Can-castrated-men-have-sex-And-what-are-the-long-term-effects-of-castration

https://www.quora.com/Can-men-who-are-castrated-still-have-sex-and-ejaculate

https://goaskalice.columbia.edu/answered-questions/castration-effects

Kobojunkie:
True but had your pastor chosen to conveniently keep that detail from you all, would you have considered him sane still and his 'testimony' legit?

He is not my Pastor!

Kobojunkie:
Actually, when announcing their story, they should have announced the source of their miracle clearly for all to know.

If their intention was to keep parts of the story to themselves, then why bother telling anyone about the whole thing at all? This is dishonest

IVF is a generic name used to refer to a slew of methods available on the market today, including surrogacy and adoption. If one method does not work, simply try another

Well, I haven't heard a testimony given where all the details were mentioned. Like "thank God for my new car, I bought it from the profit I made from my container that landed 3 months ago", or "Thank God for safe delivery, I delivered via CS". You say only what is important.

Anyone who wants to know the full details can ask personally. Babies are miracles whether via IVF, surrogacy, adoption, etc.

But this is Nairaland where most people don't reason like people in the real world. So I'm not surprised at the responses. When they experience the pain and expenses of IVF and come out with one baby, they will praise God.

ImaIma1:


Well, I haven't heard a testimony given where all the details were mentioned. Like "thank God for my new car, I bought it from the profit I made from my container that landed 3 months ago", or "Thank God for safe delivery, I delivered via CS". You say only what is important.

Anyone who wants to know the full details can ask personally. Babies are miracles whether via IVF, surrogacy, adoption, etc.

But this is Nairaland where most people don't reason like people in the real world. So I'm not surprised at the responses. When they experience the pain and expenses of IVF and come out with one baby, they will praise God.