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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by nelszx: 1:05pm On Dec 26, 2021
humility33:


Is Oliseh Ndah 16 years old?
C'mon we are talking of akpo and bassey who still have like 8 years to give to the super eagles compare to your Ndah

I will research to see if he truly has the featured VILLAGEBUS said he possess if not....

Ndah is a 23 years. As he claims
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Astrid4(m): 1:07pm On Dec 26, 2021
TheGoodJoe:


Which winning DNA did the Super Eagles have in the last five years not to give a damm about other factors that can affect the team?

As I said, Eguavoen has already made some drastic changes to suit his philosophy. He can not push it too far few weeks to a major tournament.

His appointment came too late. He has to work with what is on ground to have a good tournament.


grin grin
What's his philosophy?
Someone that has not played a match and here you are talking about philosophy...same stupid philosophy that's could secure U-23 Olympic ticket same philosophy that made him played 3 match in Olympic qualifications lost 2 matches grin grin
Have you asked what's his CVs are
Coaching badges ?grin grin
You're just been prejudicial here bro grin
Yet you couldn't spare tunde Adelakun because he has no coaching badge
Yet we don't even know your Austin coaching badge
His CV so far shows how tactically deficient he is yet you're comparing his decisions with the likes of genius like Mancini.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by mkrest(m): 1:09pm On Dec 26, 2021
markfem2:
The trouble with most fans on this thread Is that they are insatiable. No matter how good the intentions of the interim coach is, they will still find faults. There is no doubt the NFF is to blame for the belated sack of Rohr and the late/poor preparedness of the SE in the upcoming Afcon but at this point blaming and wailing should not be the issue. Eguavoen needs all our support at this time. If the SE wins the AFCON or ends up in second place, the current agitation by the NFF for a foreign coach will be put to rest.
However I will find fault with Eguavoen if he fields our starting 11 with the likes of Simeon, Iheanacho, Musa, Collins, Shehu, Ekong or even Akpeyi.


For me,the question is why call up people surplus to requirements when other departments need re-enforcement

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Danielnino00(m): 1:15pm On Dec 26, 2021
Astrid4:



grin grin
What's his philosophy?
Someone that has not played a match and here you are talking about philosophy...same stupid philosophy that's could secure U-23 Olympic ticket same philosophy that made him played 3 match in Olympic qualifications lost 2 matches grin grin
Have you asked what's his CVs are
Coaching badges ?grin grin
You're just been prejudicial here bro grin
Yet you couldn't spare tunde Adelakun because he has no coaching badge
Yet we don't even know your Austin coaching badge
His CV so far shows how tactically deficient he is yet you're comparing his decisions with the likes of genius like Mancini.

Which Olympics are u talking about?

It was Imama not Eguavon that took charge of that Olympics team

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Astrid4(m): 1:19pm On Dec 26, 2021
TheGoodJoe:


Tell me how many black European born coaches can manage top clubs. It is not ambition. Blacks lack opportunities for football in Europe. That is why the likes of us are supporting Viera to change the narrative. So if Black Europeans find it difficult, how do you think Nigerians can just claim jobs in Europe.

How many blacks do you see in VAR rooms in the EPL? Let alone coaching.

So you're telling me ndubuisi egbo and Eddie Newton of Trabzonspor are white men grin grin
Eddie Newton was an assistant coach for Chelsea for years before moving to turkey
Oliseh had the chance to be a top manager at the eredivise and blew it up
Seyi olofinjina is currently one of the age grade coaches of Wolverhampton same with finidi George...if you're Good you're good there are opportunities of for black coaches in Europe on the basics of pure competence...Theirry Henry coached Monaco even our own emenalo was the sporting director for Chelsea for years...stop all these bullocks and face the truth.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by markfem2: 1:19pm On Dec 26, 2021
mkrest:



For me,the question is why call up people surplus to requirements when other departments need re-enforcement
I believe the blame should be placed solely on the former coach Gernot Rohr who saw no need to balance the team.
Take note he compiled the current list of AFCON players.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Astrid4(m): 1:20pm On Dec 26, 2021
Danielnino00:


Which Olympics are u talking about?

It was Imama not Eguavon that took charge of that Olympics team

2010 Olympic do your research.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 1:22pm On Dec 26, 2021
Astrid4:


So you're telling me ndubuisi egbo and Eddie Newton of Trabzonspor are white men grin grin
Eddie Newton was an assistant coach for Chelsea for years before moving to turkey
Oliseh had the chance to be a top manager at the eredivise and blew it up
Seyi olofinjina is currently one of the age grade coaches of Wolverhampton same with finidi George...if you're Good you're good there are opportunities of for black coaches in Europe on the basics of pure competence...Theirry Henry coached Monaco even our own emenalo was the sporting director for Chelsea for years...stop all these bullocks and face the truth.


Are you reading what you are typing? You could only list a handful and one is an age grade coach. Yet we have whites flooding all the top leagues, lower leagues, junior Leagues, academy leagues.

There are some things that you should not debate. The unfairness of black and African coaches is too much.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by andrewbaba44: 1:24pm On Dec 26, 2021
markfem2:
The trouble with most fans on this thread Is that they are insatiable. No matter how good the intentions of the interim coach is, they will still find faults. There is no doubt the NFF is to blame for the belated sack of Rohr and the late/poor preparedness of the SE in the upcoming Afcon but at this point blaming and wailing should not be the issue. Eguavoen needs all our support at this time. If the SE wins the AFCON or ends up in second place, the current agitation by the NFF for a foreign coach will be put to rest.
However I will find fault with Eguavoen if he fields our starting 11 with the likes of Simeon, Iheanacho, Musa, Collins, Shehu, Ekong or even Akpeyi.

cheesy cheesy

I am sure eguavoen will field a different line up sha

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Astrid4(m): 1:28pm On Dec 26, 2021
TheGoodJoe:
First of all, if for instance, a coach prefers having a player that makes runs with the ball into spaces, and that player plays in the PSL, are you saying the coach should not use the player to play a bundesliga star who does not make runs with the ball?

If the player does not fit the coach's philosophy or lacks the skillset he wants, you can not force it on the coach.

The philosophy is king.

Has he played apkoguma for him to know that face he can't fit into his philosophy grin grin apkoguma is a stopper similar with player like Ekong, omerou and awaziem he had better season that this trio...if he doesn't deserve to be in the squad then this trio has no place in the team
And here you're talking about philosophy
What's his philosophy you're talking about the likes of genius like Mancini we knows what his style is, the whole world know how much of a genius he is...trying to use Mancini's decision to justify a coach with no coaching badge like Eguavoen it very STUPID the likes of Mancini, Luis Enrique, Guardiola are gods in what they do.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 1:35pm On Dec 26, 2021
Astrid4:


Has he played apkoguma for him to know that face he can't fit into his philosophy grin grin apkoguma is a stopper similar with player like Ekong, omerou and awaziem he had better season that this trio...if he doesn't deserve to be in the squad then this trio has no place in the team
And here you're talking about philosophy
What's his philosophy you're talking about the likes of genius like Mancini we knows what his style is, the whole world know how much of a genius he is...trying to use Mancini's decision to justify a coach with no coaching badge like Eguavoen it very STUPID the likes of Mancini, Luis Enrique, Guardiola are gods in what they do.

One of the things coaches try to establish in coaching school is the philosophy they will adapt to. It is the basic of coaching.

So a coach does not have to be Mancini who is quite brilliant. Heard his coaching badge thesis was on another level. But, a coach does not need to be as brilliant as Mancini to have his philosophy.

Then selection of players is aligned to it.

If Ndah brings a different skillset that the other players don't have, we can not criticise the manager.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Astrid4(m): 1:35pm On Dec 26, 2021
TheGoodJoe:


Are you reading what you are typing? You could only list a handful and one is an age grade coach. Yet we have whites flooding all the top leagues, lower leagues, junior Leagues, academy leagues.

There are some things that you should not debate. The unfairness of black and African coaches is too much.

I know the fact there is not much of black coaches in top European clubs but it not a matter of racial prejudices or biasness it all comes down to competence.
The likes of viera, Eddie Newton,henry et Al got their chances cos of the fact they're competent not because they're black or white...simple!!
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Astrid4(m): 1:36pm On Dec 26, 2021
TheGoodJoe:


One of the things coaches try to establish in coaching school is the philosophy they will adapt to. It is the basic of coaching.

So a coach does not have to be Mancini who is quite brilliant. Heard his coaching badge thesis was on another level. But, a coach does not need to be as brilliant as Mancini to have his philosophy.

Then selection of players is aligned to it.

If Ndah brings a different skillset that the other players don't have, we can not criticise the manager.

Tell me the philosophy of Eguavoen
His coaching badge
The coaching academy he went to.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 1:38pm On Dec 26, 2021
Astrid4:


Tell me the philosophy of Eguavoen
His coaching badge
The coaching academy he went to.


Go and watch Eguavoen's tactical philosophy video and understand his line of thinking.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ey5KcdrfvaM

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 1:40pm On Dec 26, 2021
Astrid4:


I know the fact there is not much of black coaches in top European clubs but it not a matter of racial prejudices or biasness it all comes down to competence.
The likes of viera, Eddie Newton,henry et Al got their chances cos of the fact they're competent not because they're black or white...simple!!

You must be kidding if you think these are the only competent black coaches. The black coaches do not even have the opportunities to show if they are competent.

Even linesman is hard for blacks. Let alone referee and VAR room.

Yet you want Nigerian coaches to use ambition to coach top European clubs. Haba.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by lovewins: 1:44pm On Dec 26, 2021
Astrid4:


I know the fact there is not much of black coaches in top European clubs but it not a matter of racial prejudices or biasness it all comes down to competence.
The likes of viera, Eddie Newton,henry et Al got their chances cos of the fact they're competent not because they're black or white...simple!!

At best, you have a simplistic perspective on the subject. While racial prejudice may primarily not be the reason for the handful of black coaches around the world, unconscious bias could be. Bias dictate who and who doesn't get opportunities which ultimately affects success rate.

Statistics matter you know. Increase Africa's participation at the world cup to the exact number Europe gets and our chances of winning automatically increases. It was viola Davis that said after winning the Emmy "'In my mind, I see a line. And over that line, I see green fields and lovely flowers and beautiful white women with their arms stretched out to me over that line. But I can't seem to get there no how. I can't seem to get over that line.' That was Harriet Tubman in the 1800s. And let me tell you something: The only thing that separates women of colour from anyone else is opportunity. You cannot win an Emmy for roles that are simply not there".

Until increased opportunities come, the chances of success will be low

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 1:49pm On Dec 26, 2021
Astrid4:


So you're telling me ndubuisi egbo and Eddie Newton of Trabzonspor are white men grin grin
Eddie Newton was an assistant coach for Chelsea for years before moving to turkey
Oliseh had the chance to be a top manager at the eredivise and blew it up
Seyi olofinjina is currently one of the age grade coaches of Wolverhampton same with finidi George...if you're Good you're good there are opportunities of for black coaches in Europe on the basics of pure competence...Theirry Henry coached Monaco even our own emenalo was the sporting director for Chelsea for years...stop all these bullocks and face the truth.

Oliseh did not blow anything. He lost his job because he refused to compromise his integrity. That was a match fixing operation gone wrong because Oliseh refused to play ball and took it public.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Astrid4(m): 1:51pm On Dec 26, 2021
TheGoodJoe:


Go and watch Eguavoen's tactical philosophy video and understand his line of thinking.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ey5KcdrfvaM


All this one nah shalaye as far as am concern
I don't wanna see a man talking about his own philosophy I will deduce from his style of playing to know his philosophy
And for real I will like to know the coaching badge he hold to be able to get the SE job,
Paul aigbogun has a UEFA A LICENSE went for a refresher coaching course in England can the same be said about Austin?
On what tutelage was Austin under?; we both know Boas was under Robson tutelage for years as a video analyst for years same with the like of Graham Potter of Brighton he is inspired by the like of Guardiola thus make his style very distinctive these are what I need to know !!!
No this trash.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Astrid4(m): 1:54pm On Dec 26, 2021
TheGoodJoe:


Oliseh did not blow anything. He lost his job because he refused to compromise his integrity. That was a match fixing operation gone wrong because Oliseh refused to play ball and took it public.

All this are speculations he was doing well enough with fortuna sittard before he was sacked...even fortuna is now in the eredivise doing well also so far there has not been issues with the new coach
Let's leave oliseh and go to Thierry Henry you think he was right to call a player's grandmother a "LovePeddler"
Are you for real? grin
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Astrid4(m): 1:54pm On Dec 26, 2021
lovewins:


At best, you have a simplistic perspective on the subject. While racial prejudice may primarily not be the reason for the handful of black coaches around the world, unconscious bias could be. Bias dictate who and who doesn't get opportunities which ultimately affects success rate.

Statistics matter you know. Increase Africa's participation at the world cup to the exact number Europe gets and our chances of winning automatically increases. It was viola Davis that said after winning the Emmy "'In my mind, I see a line. And over that line, I see green fields and lovely flowers and beautiful white women with their arms stretched out to me over that line. But I can't seem to get there no how. I can't seem to get over that line.' That was Harriet Tubman in the 1800s. And let me tell you something: The only thing that separates women of colour from anyone else is opportunity. You cannot win an Emmy for roles that are simply not there".

Until increased opportunities come, the chances of success will be low

Agreed with all you said though.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Karlovych: 1:56pm On Dec 26, 2021
jihday:
huh! Are you serious? You are comparing a player playing in South Africa to another one playing in Germany, South Africa!!!!!!!!?? ??
The same "Van Dijk" that was in defence against Mexico.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 1:57pm On Dec 26, 2021
Astrid4:



All this one nah shalaye as far as am concern
I don't wanna see a man talking about his own philosophy I will deduce from his style of playing to know his philosophy
And for real I will like to know the coaching badge he hold to be able to get the SE job,
Paul aigbogun has a UEFA A LICENSE went for a refresher coaching course in England can the same be said about Austin?
On what tutelage was Austin under?; we both know Boas was under Robson tutelage for years as a video analyst for years same with the like of Graham Potter of Brighton he is inspired by the like of Guardiola thus make his style very distinctive these are what I need to know !!!
No this trash.

You call it thrash because you did not watch it. It was a very educative video. I learnt a lot while you are calling it thrash.

Either way, I am more interested in philosophy and coaching pattern than breaking my head with CV. If it is by CV Paul Aighogun would have won laurels for us
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Karlovych: 1:58pm On Dec 26, 2021
TheGoodJoe:


Ndah is not mine. I am just explaining reasons why a coach can choose a player from a low-rated team over players playing in popular clubs.

By the way, you are not sure if Bassey and Akpoguma offer the skillset Eguavoen wants over Ndah. You don't know. Remember Yobo and Omeruo. There was no comparison in status but Keshi preferred Omeruo.
Another reason why a player can be chosen from a poor league is due to bribery or dubious agents, it's not new to the Nigerian system.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 1:59pm On Dec 26, 2021
Astrid4:


All this are speculations he was doing well enough with fortuna sittard before he was sacked...even fortuna is now in the eredivise doing well also so far there has not been issues with the new coach
Let's leave oliseh and go to Thierry Henry you think he was right to call a player's grandmother a "LovePeddler"
Are you for real? grin

Are you saying black coaches have half or a quarter of a fifth of the opportunities of white coaches? If they don't, you are arguing off point.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Astrid4(m): 1:59pm On Dec 26, 2021
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TheGoodJoe:


You call it thrash because you did not watch it. It was a very educative video. I learnt a lot while you are calling it thrash.

Either way, I am more interested in philosophy and coaching pattern than breaking my head with CV. If it is by CV Paul Aighogun would have won laurels for us
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Absolute rubbish.
Your CV makes you competent to get a job
Good day.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 2:00pm On Dec 26, 2021
Karlovych:
Another reason why a player can be chosen from a poor league is due to bribery or dubious agents, it's not new to the Nigerian system.

Or due to preference. When Rohr called Okoye from lower league to the Super Eagles, why did you not shout Bribery?

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 2:01pm On Dec 26, 2021
Astrid4:
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Absolute rubbish.
Your CV makes you competent to get a job
Good day.

If it is by CV, Guardiola would not have beaten Alex Ferguson in the Champions League Final.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 2:04pm On Dec 26, 2021
Astrid4:
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Absolute rubbish.
Your CV makes you competent to get a job
Good day.

If it is by CV, Guardiola would not have coached Barcelona at that time.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Nobody: 2:05pm On Dec 26, 2021
I don't know why some Posters here are making it seems we gonna miss Akpo at the Tournament. How many times was he invited and how many Matches has he started for the Eagles?

He may be performing well at his Club, but yet to show positive Signs in GWG. Let's calm down and let Coaches to their jobs. Ndah some of you are berating is a fine Player. He can play in 3man Defence comfortably, same as 2man Defence.

Aerially he's so much reliable. He's also ball playing Defender and good at long range passes. In Addition he can play DM as well. How old is he? He's just 23yrs old, thus a perfect replacement for ageing Balogun in the Team.

He and Bassey can form a solid Partnership in the future. We shouldn't be rushing to castigate a Player cos he's not known to us or he's not our favourite.

SA League is far better than NPFL. Last AFCON we won, our Heroes are from NPFL - Oboabona at Defence and Mbah at AM.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Karlovych: 2:07pm On Dec 26, 2021
TheGoodJoe:


Or due to preference. When Rohr called Okoye from lower leagues to the Super Eagles, why did you not shout Bribery?
Okoye hasn't really produced even a 90 percent display for the SE. He wasn't also called up for a tournament like these ones. Uzoho was called up while in a lower league as well and no one screamed bribery.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Astrid4(m): 2:09pm On Dec 26, 2021
TheGoodJoe:


Are you saying black coaches have half or a quarter of a fifth of the opportunities of white coaches? If they don't, you are arguing off point.

Trash!!!
With the little opportunity they have what's have they done with it ??
Blew it off same way Thierry Henry did
Samson siasia did similar thing with match fixing
Same with the great amuneke even Salisu Yusuf is not left behind do you think all these dudes have good credentials to go Europe and make a name for themselves judging by the fact their names has been soiled with match fixing and lack of professionalism.
People who exhibit good professionalism are doing well the likes of Eddie Newton, sheyi olofinjina, Patrick viera and co.are trying to make good names for themselves.

Steven Gerrard was a Liverpool hero same way Thierry Henry was a hero at arsenal and Barcelona...after finishing his coaching coach he coached rangers now he is with Aston Villa.
He took his chances same cannot be said about Henry after two years as an assistant with Belgium national team, things like this are not given at a platter of gold they're earned.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Astrid4(m): 2:10pm On Dec 26, 2021
TheGoodJoe:


If it is by CV, Guardiola would not have beaten Alex Ferguson in the Champions League Final.

Trash comparing a Austin with Guardiola is blasphemous... Guardiola had a coaching badge went for coaching courses can the same be said about Austin?

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