n3xt:


Every contract made with NextHome were officially signed and sealed.

I believe you still have all these documents sir:

- Borehole
- Construction of a 4 Bedroom Duplex
- Construction of a 400sqm Fence
- Construction of a 300sqm Fence

The contract for the installation of a steel truss was bidded for by a different contractor in his own letterhead and the downward review was carried out by the QS and not NextHome.

To make things clear, we removed the cost of roofing woodwork and workmanship completely from NextHome contract.

If this is different, you can refute the claim.

Please kindly explain the dishonesty part.

Do you have officially signed documents from NextHome for every works listed above or not?
Did you receive a quote for the steel trusses from a separate company or not? Is QS part of NextHome’s company to help us make a downward review of our estimates? Did this ever happened on any of the contracts we handled?

______

So if there’s issue with the subcontractors work and we offered to help fix it at no cost to you when you raised it but you refused and you hurriedly went to fix it by yourself. I don’t know what else to do.

Sufficient evidence to back this up is available on request.

Show the house if the contract signed excluded the roofing and if at anytime, the contract was modified to exclude the roof.

Show the house if whoever you gave the roofing job to was known to me or that I negotiated anything with him.

Show the house if I negotiated any part of the contract with anyone else but you.

Show the house if I paid anyone else directly for any part of the job contracted to you.

Show the house if you refunded me for any part of the job I still expected you to do.

Show the house where you were told not to roof the house anytime during the contract days.

Failing to show the house evidence of the stuff listed above will further prove what you have been doing.

Running from responsibility and blaming everyone else for your failures.



Keywords : Fraud, dishonesty, irresponsible, incompetency

somehow:


Tell the house if the contract signed excluded the roofing and if at anytime, the contract was modified to exclude the roof.

Tell the house if whoever you gave the roofing job to was known to me or that I negotiated anything with him.

Tell the house if I negotiated any part of the contract with anyone else but you.

Tell the house if I paid anyone else directly for any part of the job contracted to you.

I think the QS should know better my role on the project.

I’m the general contractor, the architect and the designer of the project. So if you run certain stuffs through me, it’s expected but that doesn’t mean I’m liable for their errors.

We took a quote from Topsy23 in his own letterhead. If you chose to make payment to him through me as the GC, that doesn’t make me liable for any issue that arise during the course of executing his job.

Accepting a bid on your behalf shouldn’t be a problem na.

All these stuffs are simple things we should understand.

Na wa o!

Good morning sir/ma

Baba ólodár yíń tí dè ó

Edakú é fu wá ní ísé ó

Delivery to your doorstep

GET VALUE FOR YOUR MONEY

n3xt:


I think the QS should know better my role on the project.

I’m the general contractor, the architect and the designer of the project. So if you run certain stuffs through me, it’s expected but that doesn’t mean I’m liable for their errors.

We took a quote from Topsy23 in his own letterhead. If you chose to make payment to him through me as the GC, that doesn’t make me liable for any issue that arise during the course of executing his job.

Accepting a bid on your behalf shouldn’t be a problem na.

All these stuffs are simple things we should understand.

Na wa o!

Lame excuses as usual.

General contractor paid to deliver a carcass from foundation to roofing within 3 months (March to May).

Is Electrical part of your job or part of the contract?

Would I have paid you if I chose Topsy23?

The person I later picked, did you negotiate on my behalf? Did I pay you to do the job? Are you the one handling the electricals for me?


Mr man, show the house evidence of what I asked before or you don't have any?

The way you stalled my project and now stalling my refund can't go unpunished.

somehow:


Lame excuses as usual.

General contractor paid to deliver a carcass from foundation to roofing within 3 months (March to May).

Is Electrical part of your job or part of the contract?

Smiles. Why did we I accept a bid (on your behalf) from Topsy23 then?
Seems you've forgot I endorsed twinskenny’s quote too when you claimed Topsy23 is too much

Would I have paid you if I chose Topsy23?

What’s the difference between him and the steel truss installer? They’re both subcontractors. The both submitted their proposal in their company letterhead. Why the double standard?

The person I later picked, did you negotiate on my behalf? Did I pay you to do the job? Are you the one handling the electricals for me?

”The owners have the right to let a separate contract” is clearly written on the contract so I don’t have to do the negotiations on your behalf.

Mr man, show the house evidence of what I asked before or you don't have any?

The way you stalled my project and now stalling my refund can't go unpunished.

Sigh!

I didn’t stall your project. Things would have been long resolved if we abide by the contract and not some poorly executed valuation report that had to be reviewed over and over.

I remember we spent week discussing window size that I had to ask the QS if he’s blind to see that I made the windows smaller on your request and not bigger as he claimed in his report. I even had to send him the drawings to show me windows that were larger than as-built.

Have you sat down to check what was changed in all the reviewed documents sent to me? It shows gross incompetence.

#ConfusionEverywhere

Keep typing the usual, that I showed you a bid gotten from numerous vendors same way I showed many other people did not mean I sought after your permission to pick or not.

Incase you don't know, I was already in contact with Topsy23, Twinskenny and others directly via email and chats.

They are here to verify this.

Not like any of these matter because the project is not even part of what you were contracted for and I will stop dignifying you with this distractive plow.

The matter on board is :

What you were contracted for was not delivered as at when due and you were fired after almost 5 months grace.

3 months later, you're hiding behind the QS valuations to delay refund, contesting everything he came up with. You're only interested in not paying and running from taking responsibility as a failure you are on this project and other projects you handled known on this thread before now.

Like I said, you won't go free with my sweat. 2 options await you.

Enough said this morning.

n3xt:


Smiles. Why did we I accept a bid (on your behalf) from Topsy23 then?
Seems you've forgot I endorsed twinskenny’s quote too when you claimed Topsy23 is too much



What’s the difference between him and the steel truss installer? They’re both subcontractors. Why the double standard?



”The owners have the right to let a separate contract” is clearly written on the contract so I don’t have to do the negotiations on your behalf.



Sigh!

I didn’t stall your project. Things would have been long resolved if we abide by the contract and not some poorly executed valuation report that had to be reviewed over and over.

I remember we spent week discussing window size that I had to ask the QS if he’s blind to see that I made the windows smaller on your request and not bigger as he claimed in his report. I even had to send him the drawings to show me windows that were larger than as-built.

Have you sat down to check what was changed in all the reviewed documents sent to me? It shows gross incompetence.

#ConfusionEverywhere

Keywords : Fraud, dishonesty, irresponsible, incompetency

Some problems are at best, should be avoided at all cost.

Why carry your money give person wey don nack many people uppercut, with evidence for this same forum many times?

You read Many adults wailing after being cornered and you think those one's are just coincidences abi?

Guyman go don see you finish, when you loose guard, nack you uppercut com take English twist matter,scatter ya head and take am drag you.

My prayer to everyone wey hustle hard to make him money be say, God no go gree us fall for con men disguising as contractors for here.

Everything was well planned out from the outset!!!

Seasons greetings everyone!!!!

ArchyDesmond:





Seen.

I believe you gave them a Program before the commencement of the contract. Did you work according to program or you defaulted in time ( as per items in your contract bill).

Any additional work or variation cost should be presented to the client along with its time implication for approval. Hence, the moment the client has given you approval on the additional work, you are expected to present a revised program incoporating the approved additional works


This will keep both parties in check as an increased scope of work will not be expected to be completed with the same contract duration.


Determination of the contract shouldn't have been the immediate recommendation of the Q.S. This may not favour the client on the long run. Double expenses on most preliminaries.


Based on what I read, The Clients Qs only visited the site when the project was having this issue, He should have been more frequent with the project from start. Coming in at a critical stage of the project to recommend determination seems too harsh.


Overall, I don't believe in settling issues online. This will definitely affect your brand. Most new client might want to Google your company name before awarding you a contract and seeing all these controversies popping up might not be a good one. For peace to reign, you'll need to make certain sacrifices.


I wish all parties the very best.

Sir,
Maybe you should google his name the first result is literally a fraud case.

https://www.vanguardngr.com/2016/11/estate-agent-docked-alleged-n5m-fraud/

We cannot be on this forum and burying our heads in the sand as if the person in question is not of dubious character and conduct both on this forum and offline...
Everyone thinks they cannot fall victim until they do.
Goodnite

Stopthecap:

Sir,
Maybe you should google his name the first result is literally a fraud case.

https://www.vanguardngr.com/2016/11/estate-agent-docked-alleged-n5m-fraud/

We cannot be on this forum and burying our heads in the sand as if the person in question is not of dubious character and conduct both on this forum and offline...
Everyone thinks they cannot fall victim until they do.
Goodnite

The jobber promised heaven and earth late last year and early this year claiming he has changed and learnt his lessons.

Claimed if given this job, he'd shut the mouths of people tagging him a Fraudster and a calamity.

The contract was for carcass only (Foundation to roofing)

But what do we have, same old same.

Time will tell.

Keywords : Fraud, dishonesty, irresponsible, incompetency

Stopthecap:

Sir,
Maybe you should google his name the first result is literally a fraud case.

https://www.vanguardngr.com/2016/11/estate-agent-docked-alleged-n5m-fraud/

We cannot be on this forum and burying our heads in the sand as if the person in question is not of dubious character and conduct both on this forum and offline...
Everyone thinks they cannot fall victim until they do.
Goodnite

You mean the lie they had to come up with when nairaland victimization didn’t work out.

May I ask to know how many people shared in the fictitious N5m recovered?

Smiles.

somehow:


Lame excuses as usual.

General contractor paid to deliver a carcass from foundation to roofing within 3 months (March to May).

Is Electrical part of your job or part of the contract?

Would I have paid you if I chose Topsy23?

The person I later picked, did you negotiate on my behalf? Did I pay you to do the job? Are you the one handling the electricals for me?


Mr man, show the house evidence of what I asked before or you don't have any?

The way you stalled my project and now stalling my refund can't go unpunished.

Both of you should come to an agreement and settle this matter once and for all. To me I can't even remember I gave a quote on this project. I know N3xt collected a quote from me and didn't hear anything after that.

Somehow did the QS used the contract bill of quantities to do the valuation on site? Also confirm if there is any off-site materials to be delivered and valued from N3xt.

N3xt you need to present the value of work done vis a vis the contract boq and payment received so far.

I know QS Femi is an experience QS

n3xt:


You mean the lie they had to come up with when nairaland victimization didn’t work out.

May I ask to know how many people shared in the fictitious N5m recovered?

Smiles.

you mean the settlement out of court? Still paying the debt remember?

They gave u chance you blew it!!! Face it man your time is up! Somehow is a bit gentle on yoi though

topsy23:


Both of you should come to an agreement and settle this matter once and for all. To me I can't even remember I gave a quote on this project. I know N3xt collected a quote from me and didn't hear anything after that.

Somehow did the QS used the contract bill of quantities to do the valuation on site? Also confirm if there is any off-site materials to be delivered and valued from N3xt.

N3xt you need to present the value of work done vis a vis the contract boq and payment received so far.

I know QS Femi is an experience QS

He has been running from taking responsibility and even said its the QS that's at fault. Infact he said Qsfemi is a novice and not qualified to be a QS.

He was told to come to site to take stock and present his handover note 3 months ago. 3 days before the QS visited site for valuation, he didn't show up nor sent anyone. Didn't provide anything to show where he stopped work only to come disagree with everything the QS did.

Using this to stall refund.

An act only criminals do.

I dignified him one more time and asked that the QS accommodate most of what he challenged again which was done.

I sent to him on the 8th of December, ever since then, he has gone mute only to come on NL to be posting in circle.

Keywords : Fraud, dishonesty, irresponsible, incompetency

somehow:
Keep typing the usual, that I showed you a bid gotten from numerous vendors same way I showed many other people did not mean I sought after your permission to pick or not.

Incase you don't know, I was already in contact with Topsy23, Twinskenny and others directly via email and chats.

Before pouring of the slab of the house right? Because that was when I reached out to him and gave you his bill.

They are here to verify this.

Not like any of these matter because the project is not even part of what you were contracted for and I will stop dignifying you with this distractive plow.

The matter on board is :

What you were contracted for was not delivered as at when due and you were fired after almost 5 months grace.

5 months grace?? I’m sure you didn’t forget that screeding and tiling of the parapet walls of the “roof” which we’re not part of my contract were not done until after September 2021.

Kindly let me know how we can go ahead with installation of the roof in May if you still had to do screeding, tiling and installation of roof window in September. Or am I the one delaying that part?

3 months later, you're hiding behind the QS valuations to delay refund, contesting everything he came up with. You're only interested in not paying and running from taking responsibility as a failure you are on this project and other projects you handled known on this thread before now.

I made my offer based on the contract document that bind us but you want me to accept hook, line and sinker all the errors put together in the valuation report.

topsy23:


N3xt you need to present the value of work done vis a vis the contract boq and payment received so far.

I know QS Femi is an experience QS

To make things easier and clear ambiguities, this is exactly what I’ve done but my ogas won’t have it.

In his own words, he said the amount to be repaid according to my submission is not even up to 1/3 of the QS’s that I must be joking.

n3xt:


Before pouring of the slab of the house right? Because that was when I reached out to him and gave you his bill.



5 months grace?? I’m sure you didn’t forget that screeding and tiling of the parapet walls of the “roof” which we’re not part of my contract were not done until after September 2021.

Kindly let me know how we can go ahead with installation of the roof in May if you still had to do screeding, tiling and installation of roof window in September. Or am I the one delaying that part?



I made my offer based on the contract document that bind us but you want me to accept hook, line and sinker all the errors put together in the valuation report.

Were you forced to pick any job?

Now let me lay these things up for people to read.

Did you not know these things would be needed before you can complete your job when you boasted that you can finish the job in 1 month? When we agreed on 3 months, did you not know or aren't you the best "Engineer" on this thread according to you?

You recommended we sandfill the compound to aide the foundation according to you and chose to handle that too which took almost 2 weeks to be done (less than 7 trips of sand) because you kept recycling workers.

Same with the fence and gatehouse, he said it'd take 2 weeks to complete but took more than a month and still wasn't completed.

Most of these new additions came around May and some after May which means they weren't expected to stop your initial contract completion deadline.

Contract was to be completed on the 8th of May, which of the variations came up before then?

Since you're looking for everything to prove why you didn't complete your job 5 months after, tell us how these new jobs stopped you from completing everything in 7 months (March 8th to September 25th).

Does it take 4 months + to build a dwarf fence and a gatehouse + sandfilling?

Keywords : Fraud, dishonesty, irresponsible, incompetency

n3xt:


To make things easier and clear ambiguities, this is exactly what I’ve done but my ogas won’t have it.

In his own words, he said the amount to be repaid according to my submission is not even up to 1/3 of the QS’s that I must be joking.

What did you do?

Post what you sent in as your refund on this thread, let everyone see it. (sent about a month ago).

Called later to beg and partly take responsibility for the failure and promised to come up with a win win solution which never came.

I dare you to post what you claimed to be your responsibility (foundation to roofing contract).

Hopefully @Qsfemi will take it up from here.

Since he rather talks here than with me, let's do everything on this thread.


Keywords : Fraud, dishonesty, irresponsible, incompetency

somehow:


Were you forced to pick any job?

Now let me lay these things up for people to read.

Did you not know these things would be needed before you can complete your job when you boasted that you can finish the job in 1 month? When we agreed on 3 months, did you not know or aren't you the best "Engineer" on this thread according to you?

You recommend we sandfill the compound to aide the foundation according to you and chose to handle that too which took almost 2 weeks to be done (less than 7 trips of sand) because you kept recycling workers.

Same with the fence and gatehouse, he said it'd take 2 weeks to complete but took more than a month and still wasn't completed.

Most of these new additions came around May and some after May which means they weren't expected to stop your initial contract completion deadline.

Contract was to be completed on the 8th of May, which of the variations came up before then?

Since you're looking for everything to prove why you didn't complete your job 5 months after, tell us how these new jobs stopped you from completing everything in 7 months (March 8th to September 25th).

Does it take 4 months + to build a draft fence and a gatehouse + sandfilling?

It took us 8 days to build an almost similar fence (which obviously belong to your brother) in the same estate because there were no ambiguities.

We were having to discuss height of the fence, the setback requirements and even the design of a gatehouse took almost 2 weeks. I remember it was lots of back and forth during your fence construction.

So one week job can take forever if things are not clearly defined.

Thank God we did the other fence before yours sir.

______

There’s what we call excusable delays which you were aware of. You remember I asked you to intervene when the omo oniles (inside estate) are disturbing the sand supplier.

How’s that my issue? Am I supposed to scoop the sand from heaven? I gave you direct contact of the supplier and even ask you to talk to the suppliers association chairman so that they can allow your work to be done when you need it.

Did you forget all these?
_________

If you’re to show the picture of the house as at today and what it look like 7 months ago, the only noticeable difference that can be found on it is just the roof and nothing more.

We’ve completed the major works as at May. We are only waiting for all the dependencies to fix the roof. Some of which you didn’t do until September 2021

n3xt:


It took us 8 days to build an almost similar fence (which obviously belong to your brother) in the same estate because there was no ambiguities.

We were having to discuss height of the fence, the setback requirements and even the design a gatehouse.

So on week job can take forever if things are not clearly defined.

Thank God we did the other fence before yours sir.

______

There’s what we call excusable delays which you were aware of. You remember I asked you to intervene when the omo oniles (inside estate) are disturbing the sand supplier.

How’s that my issue? Am I supposed to scoop the sand from heaven? I gave you direct contact of the supplier and even ask you to talk to the suppliers association chairman so that they can allow your work to be done when you need it.

Did you forget all these?
_________

If you’re to show the picture of the house as at today and what it look like 7 months ago, the only noticeable difference that can be found on it is just the roof and nothing more.

We’ve completed the major works as at May. We are only waiting for all the dependencies to fix the roof. Some of which you didn’t do until September 2021

The dwarf fence you built for my younger brother was just a fence and took more than 8 days. Show proof it was 8 days.

If you completed the major works as at may, what "dependencies" expected from me took 4 to 5 months to do?

Were these "dependencies" (since you want to hide lies in big words) why the workers on the estate building asked to use left over from their own job to cast the pillars and you refusing to pay them + the carpenter that did the coppings threatening to go remove them because you didn't pay him?

Or the 2 cement suppliers that kept calling me and the MD of the estate because you failed to pay them then?

List them here.

After listing them, tell the house if you ever brought them up before deadline and asked they be done and I didn't oblige.

All the proof I asked you to post on this thread hasn't been done.

You are claiming things you haven't defended with proof.

Everyone is reading.

At least this will update your profile on Google from 2016 to 2021 and into the new year.

Remember you had no major job until mine came through because of your past, be ready to go off permanently.

Keywords : Fraud, dishonesty, irresponsible

somehow:


The fence you built for my younger brother was just a fence and took more 8 days. Show proof it was 8 days.

If you completed the major works as at may, what "dependencies" expected from me took 4 to 5 months to do?

Were these dependencies since you want to hide lies in big words why the workers on the estate building asked to use left over from their own job to cast the pillars and you refusing to pay them + the carpenter that did the coppings threatening to go remove them because you didn't pay him?

Or the 2 cement suppliers that kept calling me and the MD of the estate because you failed to pay them then?

List them here.

After listing them, tell the house if you ever brought them up before deadline and asked they be done and I didn't oblige.

All the proof I asked you to post on this thread hasn't been done.

You are claiming things you haven't defended with proof.

Everyone is reading.

At least this will update your profile on Google from 2016 to 2021 and into the new year.

Remember you had no major job until mine came through because of your past, be ready to go off permanently.

Keywords : Fraud, dishonesty, irresponsible

To be frank with you. you should look into your contract, see whatever legally binding redress you have and move forward either legally or otherwise.

He is a TIME WASTER, serial liar,and fraudster.

The dude is literally a sociopath looking for his next target on this forum (thinking he can sway folks by muddying the waters and 'big grammar')

FACT: He neither has the resources or willingness to do the needful to ensure an amicabe resoultion. The aim is to nitpick and gaslight this forum into indifference about your case as he did with others here. As expected he has started bringing other non-party persons (family members etc) into the case

Other contractors that met him on this forum have exceeded and surpassed him on this forum, not because they are special , but because of their humility and straightforward business manner.

Best

Stopthecap:




To be frank with you. you should look into your contract, see whatever legally binding redress you have and move forward either legally or otherwise.

He is a TIME WASTER, serial liar,and fraudster.

The dude is literally a sociopath looking for his next target on this forum (thinking he can sway folks by muddying the waters and 'big grammar"

FACT: He neither has the resources or willingness to do the needful to ensure an amicabe resoultion. The aim is to nitpick and gaslight this forum into indifference about your case as he did with others here. As expected he has started bringing other non-party persons (family members etc) into the case

Other contractors that met him on this forum have exceeded and surpassed him on this forum, not because they are special , but because of their humility and straightforward business manner.

Best

Trust me on this, I'm not just typing here.

Buttons are pressing.


Keywords : Fraud, dishonesty, irresponsible, incompetency

n3xt:


It took us 8 days to build an almost similar fence (which obviously belong to your brother) in the same estate because there were no ambiguities.

We were having to discuss height of the fence, the setback requirements and even the design of a gatehouse took almost 2 weeks. I remember it was lots of back and forth during your fence construction.

So one week job can take forever if things are not clearly defined.

Thank God we did the other fence before yours sir.

______

There’s what we call excusable delays which you were aware of. You remember I asked you to intervene when the omo oniles (inside estate) are disturbing the sand supplier.

How’s that my issue? Am I supposed to scoop the sand from heaven? I gave you direct contact of the supplier and even ask you to talk to the suppliers association chairman so that they can allow your work to be done when you need it.

Did you forget all these?
_________

If you’re to show the picture of the house as at today and what it look like 7 months ago, the only noticeable difference that can be found on it is just the roof and nothing more.

We’ve completed the major works as at May. We are only waiting for all the dependencies to fix the roof. Some of which you didn’t do until September 2021

Why are you complicating simple issue sir?
Accept your fault and seek redress… why can’t you schedule a meeting with your client and get this sorted? How difficult it this? Everything shouldn’t be here bro..

I come in peace !!!!

Nigerchin is set to increase price coming January. Message to all customers

When emotions run high as they have above

It is time for the main actors to take a backseat and let their representatives handle the matter for them

That means the client should speak through his lawyer

That also means the vendor should speak through his lawyer

Both professionals are more likely to ignore the emotions and deal with the issues as they are and not as they feel them to be

I think the Vendor needs to institute a case so that he can clear his name if he wins it will be good for his business, the Vendor may even have actionable claims for defamation and Loss of Business Goodwill

I think the Client needs to institute a case and claim for breach of contract to recover any amounts allegedly owed and damages for the pain and suffering occasioned

The time has now come for an impartial authority to be involved whether that be a judge or an arbitrator

Business disputes are common, more common that most people realize. Think Innoson versus GTB, also think Epic Games versus Apple.

Sometimes they are resolved quietly, at other times, they need external intervention to resolve. It seems this one belongs to the class that needs external intervention

I am guided by the words of the Bible that I need to be fully seized on the matter before I can make definite pronouncements as to guilt or otherwise. These snippets here are there are not enough to be fully seized of the matter to make definitive pronouncements

Since I have not seen/heard and studied all communications between the parties on the matter, I will reserve my comments.

But I encourage either/both sides to act the necessary actions to resolve this issue within the ambit of the law.

All these emotions driven name calling and insinuations can lead to even further legal liability.

The Court of Public Opinion is not the best court for resolving business disputes.

FEGEITOK:
When emotions run high as they have above

It is time for the main actors to take a backseat and let their representatives handle the matter for them

That means the client should speak through his lawyer

That also means the vendor should speak through his lawyer

Both professionals are more likely to ignore the emotions and deal with the issues as they are and not as they feel them to be

I think the Vendor needs to institute a case so that he can clear his name if he wins it will be good for his business, the Vendor may even have actionable claims for defamation and Loss of Business Goodwill

I think the Client needs to institute a case and claim for breach of contract to recover any amounts allegedly owed and damages for the pain and suffering occasioned

The time has now come for an impartial authority to be involved whether that be a judge or an arbitrator

Business disputes are common, more common that most people realize. Think Innoson versus GTB, also think Epic Games versus Apple.

Sometimes they are resolved quietly, at other times, they need external intervention to resolve. It seems this one belongs to the class that needs external intervention

I am guided by the words of the Bible that I need to be fully seized on the matter before I can make definite pronouncements as to guilt or otherwise. These snippets here are there are not enough to be fully seized of the matter to make definitive pronouncements

Since I have not seen/heard and studied all communications between the parties on the matter, I will reserve my comments.

But I encourage either/both sides to act the necessary actions to resolve this issue within the ambit of the law.

All these emotions driven name calling and insinuations can lead to even further legal liability.

The Court of Public Opinion is not the best court for resolving business disputes.

i feel the use of vendor here sounds awkward... Lolz nevertheless i wish they reconcile amicably, next was actually doing a good job on that house, it's a pity it came to this.

BrickDevo:
i feel the use of vendor here sounds awkward... Lolz nevertheless i wish they reconcile amicably, next was actually doing a good job on that house, it's a pity it came to this.

Because I am starting a general principle and do not wish to use names of either side.

It can applied uncountable times whoever happens to be the one complaining or the one being complained against

FEGEITOK:


Because I am starting a general principle and do not wish to use names of either side.

It can applied uncountable times whoever happens to be the one complaining or the one being complained against

yeah i understand,

BrickDevo:

This is not true, i think you need to understand first the meaning of damp proof course, in a building what is actually transferring the load from the building to the earth is the building foundation, more especially is the column footing or base. I see you are referring to the concrete slab as DPC. The concrete slab not the dpc will of course spread the load evenly over the foundation pillars. The load in question poses less treat over the years and the practice have been working and will continue to work, for the picture you referred it is obvious that the beam of 9inches thickness is resting on a block wall, and thus heavy for the block, where he should have used a beam of 6 inches thickness, which will be lighter on the wall in the absence of pillars.

I used DPC in the context of the Nigerian parlance. In Nigeria, the monolith concrete slab we call Germany floor which also doubles in most situations as the DPC but some will further introduce a PVC membrane. If you noticed, I later used German floor. So when I say DPC spread load, I mean the monolith concrete slab.

Yes, foundation 'transfer' load to the earth but to a lesser extent. A major principal of foundations is to spread the live and dead load equally before transferring the load. If a foundation fails in the principal of load spreading, the building is in trouble no matter how efficient in transferring load the foundation is.

So a major concern of structural engineers is load spreading/coherent settlement. So it is columns that transfer load and it is expected for the foundation to spread the load evenly. This is this reason you need to 'blind' your foundation PROPERLY or else na sinking house you will contend with. So much with foundation transferring load.

Now if you are building even a bungalow always think of the mechanism of transferring load to a base that will spread the load. This is where your foundation blinding and German floor come in. It is poor civil engineering practice to accumulate load (beaming without columns) with no provision for a mechanism to transfer that load (columns) for coherent spreading ( German floor, foundation blinding)

FEGEITOK:
When emotions run high as they have above

It is time for the main actors to take a backseat and let their representatives handle the matter for them

That means the client should speak through his lawyer

That also means the vendor should speak through his lawyer

Both professionals are more likely to ignore the emotions and deal with the issues as they are and not as they feel them to be

I think the Vendor needs to institute a case so that he can clear his name if he wins it will be good for his business, the Vendor may even have actionable claims for defamation and Loss of Business Goodwill

I think the Client needs to institute a case and claim for breach of contract to recover any amounts allegedly owed and damages for the pain and suffering occasioned

The time has now come for an impartial authority to be involved whether that be a judge or an arbitrator

Business disputes are common, more common that most people realize. Think Innoson versus GTB, also think Epic Games versus Apple.

Sometimes they are resolved quietly, at other times, they need external intervention to resolve. It seems this one belongs to the class that needs external intervention

I am guided by the words of the Bible that I need to be fully seized on the matter before I can make definite pronouncements as to guilt or otherwise. These snippets here are there are not enough to be fully seized of the matter to make definitive pronouncements

Since I have not seen/heard and studied all communications between the parties on the matter, I will reserve my comments.

But I encourage either/both sides to act the necessary actions to resolve this issue within the ambit of the law.

All these emotions driven name calling and insinuations can lead to even further legal liability.

The Court of Public Opinion is not the best court for resolving business disputes.

With all due respect you have an expectation of 'goodwill' from both parties on this case ??

REALLY?

Who has shown goodwill or the lack of it in this case?
Goodwill means acting in good faith. Who is acting in good faith here?

The client that kept quiet for months until provoked by the by insults, ridicule and ultimately exposing of personal information on a public forum?. (we can start from there)

or the contractor that has kept up his diarrhea of nonsense and disregard for his clients present and former on this forum?

See... sometime in life, you have to make a choice. If this forum is going to be a productive atmosphere, let people know they can come here and get advice, and source for potential contractors/sub-contractors.

Any SELF-RESPECTING contractor that has an issue with a client will not come and publicly insult, show disdain, disrespect and utter contempt for the client. Even boasting in his usual manner that he is onto the 'NEXT' project.

We all know who needs to eat humble pie here and do the needful.

As someone that knows how this country works, I am sure you know how impossible it is to get justice in a court of law (justice delayed is justice denied)

Best

No matter the provocation, thrashing a client in public is wrong.

However two wrongs don't make a right.

If the Vendor does so, the Client shouldn't.

Defamation is legal expression. When it applies is not hidden. It is easy to let emotions run high and the sword of defamation can be used either way.

Another reason why I said both sides should engage others is that using PII to fight for and against a position is a big NO NO.

It is not impossible to get justice in a court of law. I have gotten justice in the past, I have watched others get justice, and I will file another case involving breach of contract and requesting for damages against my client in January 2022. I have exhausted all amicable means of settlement.

It is a long game but I would rather not do anything illegal since he who comes to equity must come with clean hands.

There is a very important distinction between filing a case against someone and obtaining judgment against someone.

I have seen several posts indicating that a case was filed against the Vendor but there is no copy of judgement obtained against the Vendor.

It is important to remember that unless convicted everyone is considered innocent before the law.

Using evidence that a case was filed against someone as proof the person is a criminal as opposed to evidence that the court ruled that the person was guilty can led to legal liability if the statement is improperly constructed.

Only a court of law can call someone a criminal without liabilities thereafter.

Stopthecap:


With all due respect you have an expectation of 'goodwill' from both parties on this case ??

REALLY?

Who has shown goodwill or the lack of it in this case?
Goodwill means acting in good faith. Who is acting in good faith here?

The client that kept quiet for months until provoked by the by insults, ridicule and ultimately exposing of personal information on a public forum?. (we can start from there)

or the contractor that has kept up his diarrhea of nonsense and disregard for his clients present and former on this forum?

See... sometime in life, you have to make a choice. If this forum is going to be a productive atmosphere, let people know they can come here and get advice, and source for potential contractors/sub-contractors.

Any SELF-RESPECTING contractor that has an issue with a client will not come and publicly insult, show disdain, disrespect and utter contempt for the client. Even boasting in his usual manner that he is onto the 'NEXT' project.

We all know who needs to eat humble pie here and do the needful.

As someone that knows how this country works, I am sure you know how impossible it is to get justice in a court of law (justice delayed is justice denied)

Best

Will you post will your real account so someone can at least give what you say some credibility?

I agree with FEGEITOK here, both parties need to communicate through their lawyers. While we obviously don't have all the information, from what I've seen, there is nothing concrete that can substantiate the allegation of fraud yet. And there is an active law in Nigeria, whoever seeks redress can always get justice. Egunmogaji has told us that.

I also think QSFemi needs to lend his voice here since he seems to be at the center of the misunderstanding. Did you present a valuation that was found to be erroneous and subsequently reviewed?

Need I tell you how many untoward things banks do that have led to lawsuits against them by clients?

If those same clients called the banks criminal, do you know how the banks would use that against the client?

But if the same client is properly advised and proceeds against the bank can milk millions from the bank?

I know two people who fought the banks, one won 5m settlement, another won 10m using our courts.

I speak from experience don't let emotions make a bad matter worse.