Cc @Somehow

n3xt:


Nicely crafted.

Well here’s my submission for the fence and the security house, if you have any other document showing where I agreed to cut down my costs, please kindly provide them.

I’m very sure you were not a part of this particular contract and you didn’t know what was bidded for and what wasn’t included.

QSFemi:
I do not want to divert attention from the ongoing conversation I'm having with him here.

But a short response to your points are as follows;

1) A performance bond from a reputable bank was asked to be provided but he couldn't meet up.

2) The payment method of the project was quite unusual due to unexpected inflation in the price of materials while the project was ongoing. In order to cushion that effect, we've to pay on advance so that materials could be bought and stockpiled on site.

There's no retention and LAD clause in the contract.

QS Femi.. I will advice the client to firstcollect the money N3xt claim he is owing the client for now to reduce the burden... More clarifications can be done later..
Many Construction management procedure have been flauted from the begining of the project ( Retention and bank bond).
Even if the case get to police... amicable settlement will still be the recovery mode...
My 2 cents...

Thank you Engr Gbenga.

That is why we are having this open discussion for amicable resolution.

micgray100:

QS Femi.. I will advice the client to firstcollect the money N3xt claim he is owing the client for now to reduce the burden... More clarifications can be done later..
Many Construction management procedure have been flauted from the begining of the project ( Retention and bank bond).
Even if the case get to police... amicable settlement will still be the recovery mode...
My 2 cents...

Qc1:
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Qc1:



Okay thanks Ejire.... Happy holidays!

Same here sir

QSFemi:
Cc @Somehow

You have the contract for both the main building and the fence/gatehouse in PDF form.

Thanks

Attached was the contract entered into and signed for the Security House and Fence with contract amount.
Which one is more binding?

1) A signed contract with the contract amount or

2) A quotation that was reviewed and negotiated

n3xt:


Nicely crafted.

Well here’s my submission for the fence and the security house, if you have any other document showing where I agreed to cut down my costs, please kindly provide them.

I’m very sure you were not a part of this particular contract and you didn’t know what was bidded for and what wasn’t included.

vanbonattel:


If he answers this question, I will deactivate my account

He has answered the question already.

Hope your account has been deactivated too?

QSFemi:
Attached was the contract entered into and signed for the Security House and Fence with contract amount.
Which one is more binding?

1) A signed contract with the contract amount or

2) A quotation that was reviewed and negotiated

Smiles.

Kindly provide the evidence of the reviewed quote. How do you know the contract didn’t specify that the security house should have air condition and marble floor?

How do you checkmate the contractor if he chose to renege on agreement if there’s no bill of quantities?

No surprise there was a push to add 6 pillars in a 10sqm security house which I refused outrightly.

You don’t pay for 15 lengths of iron rod and be asking for 6 pillars, raft and concrete roof.

n3xt:


Don’t forget we were having a fixed-sum contract and there was never a time this year that cement was sold for N3,000 or unit of 9 inches block sold at N200 which were the official rates in the contract and which I abided with up till termination of the contract.

So, I made request for an upfront payment to keep my part of the bargainwhich I did. that explains why I was in a rush to get the carcass off my hook in May.

This could be one of the reason why n3xt refused to accept the valuation by QsFemi.

He had already made some concessions on the price of blocks and cement. (I can't also remember the price of cement and block being as low as N3000 and N200 respectively this year).

Hence, he wanted a more "practical" valuation that would reflect his initial concessions.

Nevertheless n3xt, these issues can be resolved offline. This combative approach with a client is uncalled for.

Especially for one, who gave you a great benefit of doubt in awarding the contract to you.

Tidy this completely with somehow before 2022 and let peace reign.

The agreement you had with the client for the Security House was erection of the carcass. The contract is only completed when the items that constitute the carcass have been completed - foundation, block work and roof which was what was agreed on to be done at the agreed contract amount as evidenced in the attached contract document.

n3xt:


Smiles.

Kindly provide the evidence of the reviewed quote. How do you know the contract didn’t specify that the security house should have air condition and marble floor?

How do you checkmate the contractor if he chose to renege on agreement if there’s no bill of quantities?

No surprise there was a push to add 6 pillars in a 10sqm security house which I refused outrightly.

You don’t pay for 15 lengths of iron rod and be asking for 6 pillars, raft and concrete roof.

HossanaHeights:


This could be one of the reason why n3xt refused to accept the valuation by QsFemi.

He had already made some concessions on the price of blocks and cement. (I can't also remember the price of cement and block being as low as N3000 and N200 respectively this year).

Hence, he wanted a more "practical" valuation that would reflect his initial concessions.

Nevertheless n3xt, these issues can be resolved offline. This combative approach with a client is uncalled for.

Especially for one, who gave you a great benefit of doubt in awarding the contract to you.

Tidy this completely with somehow before 2022 and let peace reign.

I’m really not interested in making any claims. I just won’t allow anyone to intimidate me into accepting BS. No matter their number.

By the way we are still treating my submission, I’ll create time to walk us through all the submissions of my client to let you know who’s fair in this whole deal.

QSFemi:
The agreement you had with the client for the Security House was erection of the carcass. The contract is only completed when the items that constitute the carcass have been completed - foundation, block work and roof which was what was agreed on to be done at the agreed contract amount as evidenced in the attached contract document.

You’re not me though so don’t assume my position. I just provided you a written document that was presented to my client When he asked for estimate for the security house.

It can’t be anything different from what was written down.

Sir, please read my earlier post where I said 3 contractors bade for the contract and the contract was awarded to him despite not submitting the lowest bid. I emphasized an important point that the contract was awarded to the lowest responsive bidder. For your information, other contractors quoted 3100 for the price of cement in February which was the market price then. The issue of quoting 200 for block was for him to have a competitive advantage over his competitors and not a concession as you call it.

He decided to mould his block rather than buy blocks in the open market. In tendering, it's called pricing strategy, it's never a favour to the client.

HossanaHeights:


This could be one of the reason why n3xt refused to accept the valuation by QsFemi.

He had already made some concessions on the price of blocks and cement. (I can't also remember the price of cement and block being as low as N3000 and N200 respectively this year).

Hence, he wanted a more "practical" valuation that would reflect his initial concessions.

Nevertheless n3xt, these issues can be resolved offline. This combative approach with a client is uncalled for.

Especially for one, who gave you a great benefit of doubt in awarding the contract to you.

Tidy this completely with somehow before 2022 and let peace reign.

Why did I pay up 97.5% of the total sum in advance?

Why did I provide money for a store house?

I did all these to make sure he buys materials we know aren't stable price wise for stockpiling.

If I was to be rigid and follow the contract he drafted, he would have ran into roadblocks very early on.

Even at that, I was reasonable enough to make sure he succeeded by releasing funds earlier than expected.

I want you all to know that 3 bids were submitted, his was the highest. So when I hear of "concession" I shake my head.

Segcymoore /abbaitor submitted a bid too.


Let me leave the floor for Qsfemi to complete what he started while I watch from the sideline.

HossanaHeights:


This could be one of the reason why n3xt refused to accept the valuation by QsFemi.

He had already made some concessions on the price of blocks and cement. (I can't also remember the price of cement and block being as low as N3000 and N200 respectively this year).

Hence, he wanted a more "practical" valuation that would reflect his initial concessions.

Nevertheless n3xt, these issues can be resolved offline. This combative approach with a client is uncalled for.

Especially for one, who gave you a great benefit of doubt in awarding the contract to you.

Tidy this completely with somehow before 2022 and let peace reign.

With all due respect, let N3xt speak for himself. This is now between him and the parties, observers just need to be silent.

A lot of us are trying to understand how you can sign a contract for a lower sum and still be referring to the original higher quote.

I can make logical inference from established premise on the contract.

1) Established premise 1; you were already awarded the contract for the erection of carcass of the main building. The carcass contract included the foundation, envelopes (block work), structural members (staircase, columns, slab, beams and lintels) and roof.

It was on this existing premise that a new contract was awarded to you to erect a carcass for the Security House. What other things would a carcass mean again apart from this established premise in an ongoing contract?

n3xt:


You’re not me though so don’t assume my position. I just provided you a written document that was presented to my client When he asked for estimate for the security house.

It can’t be anything different from what was written down.

n3xt:


You’re not me though so don’t assume my position. I just provided you a written document that was presented to my client When he asked for estimate for the security house.

It can’t be anything different from what was written down.

So you were forced to sign the official contract?

You were forced to put up 1.4m?

Maybe you forgot the condition you put up when you decided to accept 1.4m against the 1.5m I even offered?

You wanted my younger brother fence project which I secured for you.

QSFemi:
I can make logical inference from established premise on the contract.

1) Established premise 1; you were already awarded the contract for the erection of carcass of the main building. The carcass contract included the foundation, envelopes (block work), structural members (staircase, columns, slab, beams and lintels) and roof.

It was on this existing premise that a new contract was awarded to you to erect a carcass for the Security House. What other things would a carcass mean again apart from this established premise in an ongoing contract?

Why didn’t you infer the security house will have a steel truss like the main building? I have a security house with a slab and a staircase in my personal build, the client could assume the security house would have a similar design.
Without a specification document and a bill of estimates, you can’t assume what a contract covers and what it does not.

Since we have only one document (whether discounted or not) that we can infer what the contractor actually bid for, why aren’t we working with that document to avoid ambiguities?

So, what does "erection of carcass" of the Security House mean to you and what items of work does the signed contract covers?

n3xt:


Why didn’t you infer the security house will have a steel truss like the main building? I have a security house with a slab and a staircase in my personal build, the client could assume the security house would have a similar design.
Without a specification document and a bill of estimates, you can’t assume what a contract covers and what it does not.

Since we have only one document (whether discounted or not) that we can infer what the contractor actually bid for, why aren’t we working with that document to avoid ambiguities?

QSFemi:
So, what does "erection of carcass" of the Security House mean to you and what items of work does the signed contract covers?

You know we’ve walked this route over and over bro and that’s why we are where we are today because all I can see is deliberate attempt to paint black blue.

This same reason was why you chose to value the small tiny security house at 43% of N1,400,000 and call a whole 400sqm fence with 600mm raft, 22 columns and block wall only 53% of N1,400,000 in a bid to make money off me. When that didn’t work out, you came up with another submission that 126 pcs of 6inches blocks were used to raise the tiny security house to roof level and I had to ask if you actually went to the site to do your job or went there to do what you were told to do.

Well erection of carcass has different meaning to different people, only a specification document can spell out what it covers. So I can’t assume.

Please do not dilly-dally by beating around the bush. Lots of people are awake and reading this.

You didn't answer the question, so I'll ask again;

What does erection of carcass mean to you in your own words. Just paraphrase in one sentence.

n3xt:


You know we’ve walked this route over and over bro and that’s why we are where we are today because all I can see is deliberate attempt to paint black blue.

This same reason was why you chose to value the small tiny security house at 43% of N1,400,000 in a bid to make money off me. When that didn’t work out, you came up with another submission that 126 pcs of 6inches blocks were used to raise the tiny security hiuse to roof level and I had to ask if you actually when to the site to do your job or do what you were told to do.

Well erection of carcass has different meaning to different people, only a specification document can spell out what it covers. So I can’t assume.

QSFemi:
Please do not dilly-dally by beating around the bush. Lots of people are awake and reading this.

You didn't answer the question, so I'll ask again;

What does erection of carcass mean to you in your own words. Just paraphrase in one sentence.

Well erection of carcass has different meaning to different people, only a specification document can spell out what it covers. So I can’t assume.

As a trained QS, I know you can’t/shouldn’t assume either.

somehow:


So you were forced to sign the official contract?

You were forced to put up 1.4m?

Maybe you forgot the condition you put up when you decided to accept 1.4m against the 1.5m I even offered?

You wanted my younger brother fence project which I secured for you.

This proves nothing. It only buttress my point that the quote was discounted.

Even at this “Did both fence project run concurrently as requested?” No!

So you got a 33% discount, terminated the contract and still want to claim damages

While I await further cross-examination, let me begin to prepare my review of the numerous valuation reports sent to me.

n3xt:


This proves nothing. It only buttress my point that the quote was discounted.

Even at this “Did both fence project run concurrently as requested?” No!

So you got a 33% discount, terminated the contract and still want to claim damages

You are always right.

n3xt:


This proves nothing. It only buttress my point that the quote was discounted.

Even at this “Did both fence project run concurrently as requested?” No!

So you got a 33% discount, terminated the contract and still want to claim damages

Terminated the contract you were suppose to complete on the 20th of May by 25th of September?

Did your "discount" include completing the job when you feel like or did the deadline included in the contract by you not count for anything?

20th of May to 25th of September is how many months?

Ias1:

You are always right.

Not at all.

Someone wanted over 3m from me, am I supposed to keep quiet because of nairaland?

I want to attach the valuation to this thread detailing the amount due for refund.

n3xt:
While I await further cross-examination, let me begin to prepare my review of the numerous valuation reports sent to me.

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somehow:


Terminated the contract you were suppose to complete on the 20th of May by 25th of September?

Did their "discount" include completing the job when you feel like or did the deadline included in the contract by you not count for anything?

I actually baited your and your fall for it.

Go back to the thread and see what we were doing as at 17th May 2021. It’ll give you ideas of why the contract can’t be completed on the specified date.

That’s why I’d rather have you go through all valid datas, ask questions from both parties before making assertions. It doesn’t speak well of a pro to jump into conclusion based on a one-sided account.

You’re just doing a job of a prosecution counsel instead of a non-bias valuer.

QSFemi:
I want to attach the valuation to this thread detailing the amount due for refund.

Which version are you attaching because I’d like us to start from the beginning to let the whole world know who has been stalling the refund process?