Testimony1988:
He should know he will be an ordinary citizen when he eventually retires, his actions does not speak well of the office he occupies.

Because he will be an ordinary citizen when he eventually retires is not enough reason for a mere private security guard to embarrass a whole CP of a state. Do u know the power of a CP?

Plantiff:


It either you're willfully ignorant or your brain is simply thick. I'm seriously losing my cool

The road is not a "private property" simply because the residents have decided to build walls and mount gates to segregate others.

It's like saying public offices are boutiques because civil servants display their wares for sale or that roads blocked during big church programs belong to the church because they can block it anytime.

The gate is illegal and unconstitutional in the first place. That's what I've been saying from the beginning.

U haven't answered my questions:

Based on section 41 of the constitution so quoted, are u saying that any Nigerian walk into aso rock or the police headquarters in abuja quoting that law?

In Section 4(g), was the street in question open to the public? Also take note of the word "facilitate". Was the CP facilitating or carrying out this function as at the time he visited the estate?

When u say that by reason of "sections 18 1(b) and (C) of the Administration of Criminal Justice Law of Lagos, 2015 (as amended in 2021) a police officer is mandated to arrest a suspect who commits an offence in the officer's presence or [b] a person who obstructs the police officer why executing his duty without an arrest warrant, can u pls tell me the arrest the CP was effecting and the offence that was committed?

lexy2014:


All the questions are a follow up to d claims u made on nairaland and not in a court of law. So kindly oblige us:

If working time is 8am to 4pm, kindly answer the follow up question in question 4 below. Meanwhile, u are yet to answer questions 1, 2, 3 and 5:

1. Why was it wrong to have prevented the CP from entering the estate?

2. What law justifies the actions of the CP?

3. How does the secrecy of the DSS exempt it from the rights of the police?
What are those rights?

4. When is "working hours" for the police? At what time did the CP attempt to enter the estate?

5. Can u quote verbatim the law that says that "the CP is empowered by law to enter that estate at working hours"?

My claim is simply that the estate is wrong in obstructing d CP. Let d estate prove me wrong by seeking redress in court. Their begging and ridiculous explanations looks like admittance of guilt. So why are u arguing up and down in their favor?

lexy2014:


U haven't answered my questions:

Based on section 41 of the constitution so quoted, are u saying that any Nigerian walk into aso rock or the police headquarters in abuja quoting that law?

In Section 4(g), was the street in question open to the public? Also take note of the word "facilitate". Was the CP facilitating or carrying out this function as at the time he visited the estate?

When u say that by reason of "sections 18 1(b) and (C) of the Administration of Criminal Justice Law of Lagos, 2015 (as amended in 2021) a police officer is mandated to arrest a suspect who commits an offence in the officer's presence or [b] a person who obstructs the police officer why executing his duty without an arrest warrant, can u pls tell me the arrest the CP was effecting and the offence that was committed?

I get it that you're a troll. If you know how much work I've missed trying to school you , you wouldn't mention me again.

Good night.

lexy2014:


It seems that u didn't read the law u quoted. Pls which duty was the CP on as at the time he visited the estate?

What has street patrol got to do with the discussion?

Meanwhile, What violation of law did the CP see that was ongoing in the estate that he wanted to go inside the estate to intervene?

We will never agree on this because you still regard that place as an estate. As far as I am concerned what happened is synonymous to some guards stopping a police officer on limpopo street in maitama or glover road in ikoyi and telling me he cannot go beyond a certain point. Nobody has such right. There is no estate in magodo. Every resident either bought/developed their land or rented their place of residence. Mounting a gate on a public road and attempting to stop a police officer from going beyond the gate will not fly in any sane society. If the residents have an issue they van sue the police and I'll be anxious to see the outcome.

Krismas:
My claim is simply that the estate is wrong in obstructing d CP. Let d estate prove me wrong by seeking redress in court. Their begging and ridiculous explanations looks like admittance of guilt. So why are u arguing up and down in their favor?

Good. Then answering the following questions shouldn't be a challenge for u:

If working time is 8am to 4pm, kindly answer the follow up question in question 4 below. Meanwhile, u are yet to answer questions 1, 2, 3 and 5:

1. Why was it wrong to have prevented the CP from entering the estate?

2. What law justifies the actions of the CP?

3. How does the secrecy of the DSS exempt it from the rights of the police?
What are those rights?

4. When is "working hours" for the police? At what time did the CP attempt to enter the estate?

5. Can u quote verbatim the law that says that "the CP is empowered by law to enter that estate at working hours"?

6. Can u show me the argument u are referring to?

tshtsh:


We will never agree on this because you still regard that place as an estate. As far as I am concerned what happened is synonymous to some guards stopping a police officer on limpopo street in maitama or glover road in ikoyi and telling me he cannot go beyond a certain point. Nobody has such right. There is no estate in magodo. Every resident either bought/developed their land or rented their place of residence. Mounting a gate on a public road and attempting to stop a police officer from going beyond the gate will not fly in any sane society. If the residents have an issue they van sue the police and I'll be anxious to see the outcome.

U didn't answer my questions:

It seems that u didn't read the law u quoted. Pls which duty was the CP on as at the time he visited the estate?

What has street patrol got to do with the discussion?

Meanwhile, What violation of law did the CP see that was ongoing in the estate that he wanted to go inside the estate to intervene?

Plantiff:


I get it that you're a troll. If you know how much work I've missed trying to school you , you wouldn't mention me again.

Good night.

Try and school yourself by answering the following questions:

Based on section 41 of the constitution so quoted, are u saying that any Nigerian can walk into aso rock or the police headquarters in abuja "moving around freely" quoting that law?

In Section 4(g), was the street in question open to the public? Also take note of the word "facilitate". Was the CP facilitating or carrying out this function as at the time he visited the estate?

When u say that by reason of "sections 18 1(b) and (C) of the Administration of Criminal Justice Law of Lagos, 2015 (as amended in 2021) a police officer is mandated to arrest a suspect who commits an offence in the officer's presence or [b] a person who obstructs the police officer why executing his duty without an arrest warrant, can u pls tell me the arrest the CP was effecting and the offence that was committed?

sucess001:


Good evening sir. It shall not be well with you sir.

For saying the obvious abi?

festacman:
People get overly emotional and even hypocritical over this issue because a police officer is involved.

1. The Commissioner of Police Odumosu didn't need to give advance information of his coming to the Estate security men because it would be stupid to for him state his movement. Of course, giving such information would require the CP's security details to secure the Estate gate security until he arrives.

2. On arrival at the Estate gate and having PROPERLY identified himself as CP of Lagos State, he ought to have been allowed in immediately. Keeping him at the gate is unnecessarily exposing him to possible attack by criminals. Even a military formation would know better than keep a properly identified CP exposed to danger at its entry point.

3. CP Odumosu didn't need to tell the Estate security men the exact house he was going to before being allowed in. That's a classified information until his details secures the house for his safety.

4. Deliberately tagging the CP's visit as social to denigrate him is pure IGNORANCE because even a 'common' DPO is always listening to his radio equipment and giving directives anywhere he is. The fact is that when not on official leave, a CP is at work everywhere and every time.

5. I doubt if the police singled out that widow for arrest for nothing. She may have jumped into the matter and said unsavoury things. Being a resident in an Estate, I am familiar with some 'radical' busybody residents that would jump into issues without complete knowledge.

6. This is not the first gated estate that the CP has had cause to visit in Lagos. The truth is this incident was avoidable if only the Estate security was more professional and less power-conscious. Their unprofessional attitude activated power-tussle mode in the OFFICIAL state police force to show their constitutional superiority. The irony in this drama is that when armed criminals show up at the Estate, it is the official state police men that are called in to risk their lives.

7. By the way, is an estate which has individually-owned houses a private property or a community? If Magodo Brooks is NOT owned and rented out by one person as its private owner, is there any difference between this Estate and for example Ajegunle in the eyes of the law?

8. Yes, Nigeria police has many outright criminals as members but it is still the only one we have to enforce law and order and maintain security.

Trash.

There are more civilised ways to deal with little misunderstandings. The Nigerian police problem is one of rabid ego, hubris, power intoxication and gross stupidity.

SankaraSo:


Yorobo people and their insecure lifestyle.

This is the same tribe that claim to accommodate people.

Ordinary Where are you going, this imp has arrested everybody.

Imagine this sort of mad man was a Soldier in the NA, and you greet him good morning.

Him go just use grenade bomb everywhere.

atleast they claim to … that’s acceptance not hypocritical unlike the people who are leeches and parasites, people who are self centred, devious, dubious, archaic and above all naggers ! Always whinny like a stuck Irish pig..
They are notorious negatively globally only 2% of their population are educated and can almost narrowly escape a litmus test for deceit and deceptive Character..

lexy2014:


Try and school yourself by answering the following questions:

Based on section 41 of the constitution so quoted, are u saying that any Nigerian can walk into aso rock or the police headquarters in abuja "moving around freely" quoting that law?

In Section 4(g), was the street in question open to the public? Also take note of the word "facilitate". Was the CP facilitating or carrying out this function as at the time he visited the estate?

When u say that by reason of "sections 18 1(b) and (C) of the Administration of Criminal Justice Law of Lagos, 2015 (as amended in 2021) a police officer is mandated to arrest a suspect who commits an offence in the officer's presence or [b] a person who obstructs the police officer why executing his duty without an arrest warrant, can u pls tell me the arrest the CP was effecting and the offence that was committed?

the problem of Nigeria is the educated illiterates of today.. it’s a pathetic story…it’s very annoying and mentally exhausting realising I’m sharing the same earth space with humanoids..

Don’t mind the humanoid u quoted

DelTel:


very funny oooo

So private security at stadiums, hospitals, schools, and other public places mean they are private establishment

Generally, Nigerians need serious enlightenment on what it entails to live in a civil society

Most of us don't know the difference in alot of things and it is seriously affecting the society

The security guards in those places you mentioned are not private security. They're contracted and paid by government.

The security at the estate are private and are paid by individuals and not government.

Please, go and get yourself some balanced reasoning and a good dose of self education.

festacman:
People get overly emotional and even hypocritical over this issue because a police officer is involved.

1. The Commissioner of Police Odumosu didn't need to give advance information of his coming to the Estate security men because it would be stupid to for him state his movement. Of course, giving such information would require the CP's security details to secure the Estate gate security until he arrives.

2. On arrival at the Estate gate and having PROPERLY identified himself as CP of Lagos State, he ought to have been allowed in immediately. Keeping him at the gate is unnecessarily exposing him to possible attack by criminals. Even a military formation would know better than keep a properly identified CP exposed to danger at its entry point.

3. CP Odumosu didn't need to tell the Estate security men the exact house he was going to before being allowed in. That's a classified information until his details secures the house for his safety.

4. Deliberately tagging the CP's visit as social to denigrate him is pure IGNORANCE because even a 'common' DPO is always listening to his radio equipment and giving directives anywhere he is. The fact is that when not on official leave, a CP is at work everywhere and every time.

5. I doubt if the police singled out that widow for arrest for nothing. She may have jumped into the matter and said unsavoury things. Being a resident in an Estate, I am familiar with some 'radical' busybody residents that would jump into issues without complete knowledge.

6. This is not the first gated estate that the CP has had cause to visit in Lagos. The truth is this incident was avoidable if only the Estate security was more professional and less power-conscious. Their unprofessional attitude activated power-tussle mode in the OFFICIAL state police force to show their constitutional superiority. The irony in this drama is that when armed criminals show up at the Estate, it is the official state police men that are called in to risk their lives.

7. By the way, is an estate which has individually-owned houses a private property or a community? If Magodo Brooks is NOT owned and rented out by one person as its private owner, is there any difference between this Estate and for example Ajegunle in the eyes of the law?

8. Yes, Nigeria police has many outright criminals as members but it is still the only one we have to enforce law and order and maintain security.

shut your damn mouth 'fore you dropped , nigga

WillyDave:


Because he will be an ordinary citizen when he eventually retires is not enough reason for a mere private security guard to embarrass a whole CP of a state. Do u know the power of a CP?

What power does a CP have except the one given to him by the state?

In a sane society, Odumosu cannot behave the way he did and go scot free. It's people like you that give power to power drunk office holders who are fed from tax payers funds.

let's be sincere to ourselves bro

lexy2014:


How does everything that u say he has said justify the actions of the CP?

lexy2014:


I haven't made any claim. U are d one making claims. Based on your claims, Can u quote the law in Nigerias statute books that gives the police blanket right to "enter the estate at anytime of the day without let or hindrance"?

I’ve followed this thread and I’ve noticed your folly. There you go.

Governor Sanwolu, se you don see your police and why there cannot be peace without justice to the #ENDSARS victims.

He should be taken to Shiroro local government to flex that type of muscle .

CrystalBliss:


The situation is a simple situation. If the estate is a public property, it wouldn't even need a private security. There's a private security only because it's a private property. The CP erred.

This should serve as the most stupid comment in this post. How can someone apply a logic that says once there's a private security somewhere then it's a private place. In my street at cement we have a security man and I know my street is far from private as anybody can come in and go out. The same thing with most streets in Lagos with gate men.

lexy2014:


Good. Then answering the following questions shouldn't be a challenge for u:

If working time is 8am to 4pm, kindly answer the follow up question in question 4 below. Meanwhile, u are yet to answer questions 1, 2, 3 and 5:

1. Why was it wrong to have prevented the CP from entering the estate?

2. What law justifies the actions of the CP?

3. How does the secrecy of the DSS exempt it from the rights of the police?
What are those rights?

4. When is "working hours" for the police? At what time did the CP attempt to enter the estate?

5. Can u quote verbatim the law that says that "the CP is empowered by law to enter that estate at working hours"?

6. Can u show me the argument u are referring to?

Oh no. Its ur turn to prove the CP was faulty to have sought entrance into d estate and in locking up those who tried to stop him. Ur inability to prove these, is my prove dat d CP was very right. Thank u

Daboomb:


You really need to go to School, Mr. Man, stop embarassing yourself publicly, like Mr. CP
You dont understand the context of the use of the word "Private"!

Contracting "Private Security" to assist in securing a place like a Stadium is different calling a place like an agglomeration of Houses a "Private Estate".
One is a Verb, while the other is a Noun.

That is my contribution to your Free Education!

You have said nothing but rubbish in big Grammer. What do you mean by contracting "private security". Whether it's in a stadium or in your so called "private estate" are both security men there not contracted?

2loadedguy:

This should serve as the most stupid comment in this post. How can someone apply a logic that says once there's a private security somewhere then it's a private place. In my street at cement we have a security man and I know my street is far from private as anybody can come in and go out. The same thing with most streets in Lagos with gate men.

Did you read the basis of the argument? Does anybody coming in and out of a place determine a private or public ownership? Anybody goes in and out of an eatery, yet it's a private place. Everybody goes in and out of a government hospital or stadium, yet it's a public place. Does human fluidity make any difference?

Places owned by government are secured by security personel who are paid by government. The maintenance of the place is also from government purse. Privately owned places are secured by security personel who are paid by individual or corporate owners. The maintenance of such a place is funded from private purses. That is the case with this estate in Magodo.

Your place is an open place co-owned by a group of people and not government. It's a private place. How can you be so dumb?

Now, tell me, who are the sole decision makers on your street? Government or the landlords on your street? If Government should demolish houses on that street, government is bound to give compensation to the owners because all properties there are private properties. Government can't do anything there without first consulting the owners. It's a breach of their human rights.

Government can demolish public property at will or do anything without informing anyone. Stop reasoning like a kid.

Truly Nigerians deserve what they are facing atm. Putting up this shows how stupid you're

festacman:
People get overly emotional and even hypocritical over this issue because a police officer is involved.

1. The Commissioner of Police Odumosu didn't need to give advance information of his coming to the Estate security men because it would be stupid to for him state his movement. Of course, giving such information would require the CP's security details to secure the Estate gate security until he arrives.

2. On arrival at the Estate gate and having PROPERLY identified himself as CP of Lagos State, he ought to have been allowed in immediately. Keeping him at the gate is unnecessarily exposing him to possible attack by criminals. Even a military formation would know better than keep a properly identified CP exposed to danger at its entry point.

3. CP Odumosu didn't need to tell the Estate security men the exact house he was going to before being allowed in. That's a classified information until his details secures the house for his safety.

4. Deliberately tagging the CP's visit as social to denigrate him is pure IGNORANCE because even a 'common' DPO is always listening to his radio equipment and giving directives anywhere he is. The fact is that when not on official leave, a CP is at work everywhere and every time.

5. I doubt if the police singled out that widow for arrest for nothing. She may have jumped into the matter and said unsavoury things. Being a resident in an Estate, I am familiar with some 'radical' busybody residents that would jump into issues without complete knowledge.

6. This is not the first gated estate that the CP has had cause to visit in Lagos. The truth is this incident was avoidable if only the Estate security was more professional and less power-conscious. Their unprofessional attitude activated power-tussle mode in the OFFICIAL state police force to show their constitutional superiority. The irony in this drama is that when armed criminals show up at the Estate, it is the official state police men that are called in to risk their lives.

7. By the way, is an estate which has individually-owned houses a private property or a community? If Magodo Brooks is NOT owned and rented out by one person as its private owner, is there any difference between this Estate and for example Ajegunle in the eyes of the law?

8. Yes, Nigeria police has many outright criminals as members but it is still the only one we have to enforce law and order and maintain security.

CrystalBliss:


Did you read the basis of the argument? Does going out and coming in of a place determine a private or public ownership?

Places owned by government are secured by security personel who are paid by government. Privately owned places are secured by security personel who are paid by individual or corporate owners

Your place is an open place co-owned by a group of people and not government. It's a private place. How can you be so dumb?

I'm sure your father would be regretting giving birth to such a slow poke as a son since when you started displaying this daftness. How can any sane human being call this my street that I am looking at a private place. The street road is built by the government, the drainage and street light done by the government.
And a fully grown adult is arguing that because we employed one old man and gave him uniform to man the gate the street has automatically become a private place/estate. I honestly cannot engage in argument with this kind of shallow thinker.

2loadedguy:

I'm sure your father would be regretting giving birth to such a slow poke as a son since when you started displaying this daftness. How can any sane human being call this my street that I am looking at a private place. The street road is built by the government, the drainage and street light done by the government.
And a fully grown adult is arguing that because we employed one old man and gave him uniform to man the gate the street has automatically become a private place/estate. I honestly cannot engage in argument with this kind of shallow thinker.

You're very dumb. If you are intelligent enough, you shouldn't expect someone who doesn't stay with you on your street to know better than you concerning your street.

I bet that your education is a waste. Government provides social amenities to all places, not public places alone. You mean if pipe borne water provided by government runs in your house, your house has become a public place? That's very dumb of you. Street lights and roads are the fundamental rights of all citizens. It's government responsibility. That government has made your street lights and drainages doesn't turn your street to a public property.

Wnat level of education do you posses? You passed through school but school didn't pass through you!

For your information, government cannot impose anything on that street without the consent of the private owners. The people who jointly own the place have the right to accept or reject government proposal.

Infact, which Individual or group would employ and fund a security personnel to secure a public place? You better get sense.

Islie:



Wisdom will never depart from you, how will a whole CP stay in traffic for such minutes if his details wouldn't have come down to harass everyone if he has stayed just 4mins not attended to.

Who are they deceiving with their press statement

Discernment. You and doubleoh7 should realise the estate didn't deny the 30mins delay allegations! Why should the CP give details of where he was going to pple he protects?

Na wah for u oo

Them say social visit

Which on be say u come de narrate one CIA undercover movie for us.

lexy2014:


U haven't answered my questions:

Based on section 41 of the constitution so quoted, are u saying that any Nigerian walk into aso rock or the police headquarters in abuja quoting that law?

In Section 4(g), was the street in question open to the public? Also take note of the word "facilitate". Was the CP facilitating or carrying out this function as at the time he visited the estate?

When u say that by reason of "sections 18 1(b) and (C) of the Administration of Criminal Justice Law of Lagos, 2015 (as amended in 2021) a police officer is mandated to arrest a suspect who commits an offence in the officer's presence or [b] a person who obstructs the police officer why executing his duty without an arrest warrant, can u pls tell me the arrest the CP was effecting and the offence that was committed?

This is the festering problem being exported from Lagos to the east, I pray the Nigerian police does something about all the illegal security outfits.

If a residential scheme is planned and its internal roads are planned and approved by town planning authority, it is not a private estate, unless expressly designated as one by town planning.
If a residential scheme has individual houses awarded seperate certificate of occupancy by the state government, no matter its previous designation, it is not a private estate as each occupant has seperated rights.


Every single Nigerian has equal unalienable rights to move unobstructed through public roads and space no matter where they are as enshrines in the constitution as human rights.-Freedom of movement

So any security outfit obstructing movement on a public road, that is not the police is illegal. Even the police is only allowed checkpoints not obstruct public roads. Any permanent structure, gate barriers, or sorts erected on a public road is illegal because you need a certificate of occupancy over the road before erecting such.

This problem is festering, with criminal groups entering estates in the name of security, and extorting the residents with monthly dues. Visit Idado estate in Lekki, the group there is so mad, they are setting up gates on every street, they are no longer chasing intruders, but locking in residents unless they pay them every month.

The Lagos state government , and Nigerian Police should dismantle these estate security setups before they grow into full blown "Money for Protection" gangs inhibiting commerce and business. The problem is also gradually spreading to the East, Enugu State to be precise. I have not seen much of the rubbish in Awka and Onitsha.

CrystalBliss:


You're very dumb. If you are intelligent enough, you shouldn't expect someone who doesn't stay with you on your street to know better than you concerning your street.

I bet that your education is a waste. Government provides social amenities to all places, not public places alone. You mean if pipe borne water provided by government runs in your house, your house has become a public place? That's very dumb of you. Street lights and roads are the fundamental rights of all citizens. It's government responsibility. That government has made your street lights and drainages doesn't turn your street to a public property.

Wnat level of education do you posses? You passed through school but school didn't pass through you!

For your information, government cannot impose anything on that street without the consent of the private owners. The people who jointly own the place have the right to accept or reject government proposal.

Infact, which Individual or group would employ and fund a security personnel to secure a public place? You better get sense.

Another educated illiterate.
Oh, I remember, they only recently introduced civics education to Nigerian schools.
In this weird mind, public resources are used to build private spaces by government. And Any street near his house belongs to him and his friends.

See the kind of people we share country with.

JohnBullMySon:
You're just ignorant. If you live in an estate go and ask the administrators there who owns the land. The roads in the estate are built by the estate owner and not government. The entire estate has a C/O classifying it as private land.

Yes an estate is private land because someone bought it.

This shows how ignorant of the law you are, all land belong to the state (land use act 1978) the C of O if just a right to occupy the land and it's always for a period of 100 years and even the governor can revoke it anytime he believes the land can be used for an overriding public interest... for your information, no private land in Nigeria

iwaeda:


https://punchng.com/detained-security-guards-widow-didnt-deny-cp-entry-lagos-estate-tackles-police-boss/

the so called cp is power drunk-absolute corrupt. The residents and estate mgnt can sue the police and the resident who invited him. Clearly he was not on an official duty, but using govt cars and body guards to an occasion at tax payers expenses is an offence if nigeria was a sane country. May God help us not to meet a trynant this year. HUMAN RIGHTS ORGAN. OVER TO YOU ALL