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Re: The IGP Is Superior To Governors ⁠— Lawyer, Ndakudu Adam by marv1: 5:22am On Jan 06, 2022
They are all products of quota system lawyers and SAN like malami.

Don't be surprised .

Idiko1:


Lawyer Muhammed Ndakudu Adam, you are one of the reasons Nigeria is termed basket of fools. Mallam Muhammadu Buhari is the CSO of Nigeria. No wonder Nigeria is the playground of the bandits.
Re: The IGP Is Superior To Governors ⁠— Lawyer, Ndakudu Adam by marv1: 5:25am On Jan 06, 2022
Products of quota system lawyers and SAN like malami
Re: The IGP Is Superior To Governors ⁠— Lawyer, Ndakudu Adam by Nobody: 5:27am On Jan 06, 2022
Idiko1:


Lawyer Muhammed Ndakudu Adam, you are one of the reasons Nigeria is termed basket of fools. Mallam Muhammadu Buhari is the CSO of Nigeria. No wonder Nigeria is the playground of the bandits.

He revealed a bitter truth. He said the Governor being the CSO of the State is merely Ceremonial. In reality, what he said is that the State governor is not the CSO of the State.
Re: The IGP Is Superior To Governors ⁠— Lawyer, Ndakudu Adam by Upworkwriter007(f): 5:30am On Jan 06, 2022
Kzinne:
rubbish. I wonder who wrote this? How can you say been CSO is merely ceremonial? Can you imagine such thrash. And who put this on the front page??
it's the truth. CSO is a mere ceremonial position. HE DOESN'T CONTROL THE POLICE
Re: The IGP Is Superior To Governors ⁠— Lawyer, Ndakudu Adam by Upworkwriter007(f): 5:31am On Jan 06, 2022
marv1:
Products of quota system lawyers and SAN like malami
what are you saying. That guy said exactly what's in the constitution.
Re: The IGP Is Superior To Governors ⁠— Lawyer, Ndakudu Adam by Upworkwriter007(f): 5:33am On Jan 06, 2022
Nauttyprof:
Some lawyers are the reason for Nigeria being backward in every area. Just imagine this statement of the Governor being a ceremonial CSO but the IGP has control over all States. Now, the question is, what is the position of the constitution on this matter? Did the constitution which should always be his guide in the profession say the Governor is a ceremonial CSO while the IGP has every right to cause chaos in any state? Or is he speaking from the terrible political view in Nigeria? Where the FG just want to be in charge of everything without showing true Federalism.


Why are the governors part of the Nigerian Police Council with the President being the Head?

Everyone just want to say something without speaking from constitution but speaking as politicians.
You might not like his point, but the position of CSO is mere ceremonial. Governor's have reiterated that point many times, they need their own police force
Re: The IGP Is Superior To Governors ⁠— Lawyer, Ndakudu Adam by Upworkwriter007(f): 5:37am On Jan 06, 2022
gnhpowerhouse:
Those Judges at the Supreme Court that gave that Ruling are heartless ...
You're not okay.
The federal high court gave the judgement in 1993, Appeal court supported them, and same with supreme court. Some people's houses were demolished to give land to the rich. Is that fair? Imagine labouring all your life to build a house, and the government demolishes the house because they want to build an estate there. Be fair for once.
Re: The IGP Is Superior To Governors ⁠— Lawyer, Ndakudu Adam by Nauttyprof(m): 6:26am On Jan 06, 2022
Upworkwriter007:

You might not like his point, but the position of CSO is mere ceremonial. Governor's have reiterated that point many times, they need their own police force

Understand my point also. Is this from the position of the constitution or politics in Nigeria?
Re: The IGP Is Superior To Governors ⁠— Lawyer, Ndakudu Adam by orisa37: 6:43am On Jan 06, 2022
LegalWolf:


Exactly, while the Supreme Court is a Minister of State for the National Assembly (which is Gbaja) and in turn commander of the Nigerian Immigration Authority that is secretary to Nigeria Customs


You are a constitutional Gbaja, wolf of no mean order.
Re: The IGP Is Superior To Governors ⁠— Lawyer, Ndakudu Adam by orisa37: 6:59am On Jan 06, 2022
The governors are ministers at FEC.

They head an independent levels of governments and at the Federal Executive Council, they're ministers while the President becomes The Presiding Governor and or Prime Minister as The Council wishes.
Re: The IGP Is Superior To Governors ⁠— Lawyer, Ndakudu Adam by orisa37: 7:06am On Jan 06, 2022
Don't be confused. N/A.

We are in a DEMOCRACY AND NOT FEUDALISM, AUTOCRACY OR DICTATORSHIP.
Re: The IGP Is Superior To Governors ⁠— Lawyer, Ndakudu Adam by Advancedman(m): 7:10am On Jan 06, 2022
Idiko1:


Lawyer Muhammed Ndakudu Adam, you are one of the reasons Nigeria is termed basket of fools. Mallam Muhammadu Buhari is the CSO of Nigeria. No wonder Nigeria is the playground of the bandits.

This proves that the president is god.
Re: The IGP Is Superior To Governors ⁠— Lawyer, Ndakudu Adam by everythinggirly(f): 7:25am On Jan 06, 2022
Ok.
Re: The IGP Is Superior To Governors ⁠— Lawyer, Ndakudu Adam by MansoryMX(m): 8:33am On Jan 06, 2022
CSTRR:
A mere appointee of the president is Superior to an elected governor?

An ELECTED governor?

You are mad.

In a federal system with states autonomy, the only agency superior to the governor is the supreme Court, not even the president.

A governor can take the president to the supreme Court if he feels aggreived.


God bless you for this comment. We have really lost it in this part of the world. We don’t know how to practice Democracy we adopted from the West. Walahi!

Re: The IGP Is Superior To Governors ⁠— Lawyer, Ndakudu Adam by MansoryMX(m): 8:37am On Jan 06, 2022
being:
Interestingly, he's correct. According to the police structure an instruction from the IG supercedes an instruction from a governor. Whether that should change is d only debatable matter. But as at now the IG posts CP to states to receive directives from d governors but he the IG can overrule those governors' directives

A mere appointee by the President supersedes an ELECTED GOVERNOR? Wetin all of una dey take abi smoke lately in this country? Una comments dey kill me with laughter. Nigerians don’t really know their left from right cheesy

Re: The IGP Is Superior To Governors ⁠— Lawyer, Ndakudu Adam by Dminister(m): 8:50am On Jan 06, 2022
The Nigerian constitution gives too much power to the federal level by centralising security powers at the federal level.

This is why there was no absolute action against the herdsmen rather the state governors resulted to banning open grazing in their states since they could not use their powers to control the police to protect their people.

The constitution should be amended to give room for state policing , this would help the states gain power to protect their states against insecurities.
Re: The IGP Is Superior To Governors ⁠— Lawyer, Ndakudu Adam by Anndrew(m): 9:30am On Jan 06, 2022
MansoryMX:


God bless you for this comment. We have really lost it in this part of the world. We don’t know how to practice Democracy we adopted from the West. Walahi!
yeah..our consistution is built for restrogress,.we run a millary government under the guise of democracy...federal government have no power over a state without the approval from the state governor or supreme Court.. only inthe case of emergency (state of emergency)...this is ��, we do tinzs our way......
Re: The IGP Is Superior To Governors ⁠— Lawyer, Ndakudu Adam by Moorish: 9:36am On Jan 06, 2022
Tingotoe:
There's no country in the world where the federal police isn't under the direct operational command of the head of government. The FBI in America answer to the president and not any local authority
FBI is different

States in the USA have their own police force I think and they have nuances in their respective laws
Re: The IGP Is Superior To Governors ⁠— Lawyer, Ndakudu Adam by Nobody: 9:38am On Jan 06, 2022
Nauttyprof:


Understand my point also. Is this from the position of the constitution or politics in Nigeria?

That is not the position of the Constitution. That is not the position of governor under federalism. It is not in the Constitution that the Governor shall be a Ceremonial Chief Security Officer of the State. The reality on ground is that the Commissioner of Police takes instructions from IGP. It was very clear during Jonathan / Amaechi rift.

Donald Duke some years back in one of his memoirs while in government spoke briefly about this. The implications is that this has made Commissioner of Police sent to some Southern States very rich as the Governor has to bribe his way with money and fixed assets for them to work together. This is very pathetic.


What the Mallam Lawyer said is the bitter truth. The State Commissioner of Police is not appointed by the Governor. He is only posted to work in the State. The governor must take care of him handsomely for them to work together. They are working together. That's the bitter truth.

The Yoruba elites should support Prof Akintoye and IOO.
Re: The IGP Is Superior To Governors ⁠— Lawyer, Ndakudu Adam by kachistone: 9:41am On Jan 06, 2022
Kzinne:
yes but doesn't mean the cso position is merely ceremonial. Do you know that the governor of a state holds regular weekly security meetings with all the heads of security agencies posted to that state? So in a way he has a form of contro6. But that control is checked

The governor doesn't have control over the police in his state. That is the sad reality.

Holding weekly meetings are inconsequential because the governor has no power to promote officers or discipline erring officers that disobey his directives.

You will know how helpless a governor is concerning security when he is a member of an opposition party from that in the centre. The only exception to this is when the governor is really dogged and stubborn but there is really nothing much such individual can do.
Re: The IGP Is Superior To Governors ⁠— Lawyer, Ndakudu Adam by Upworkwriter007(f): 9:49am On Jan 06, 2022
Nauttyprof:


Understand my point also. Is this from the position of the constitution or politics in Nigeria?
The constitution declared them as CSO, but that same constitution says there shall only be 1 police force, and set the organogram for how the police functions. It didn't give a single power to governors as it pertains state security, yet declared them as CSO.
Re: The IGP Is Superior To Governors ⁠— Lawyer, Ndakudu Adam by Nauttyprof(m): 10:07am On Jan 06, 2022
Upworkwriter007:

The constitution declared them as CSO, but that same constitution says there shall only be 1 police force, and set the organogram for how the police functions. It didn't give a single power to governors as it pertains state security, yet declared them as CSO.

I just don't understand why you typed this. So, why are the governors part of Nigerian Police Council? The Organogram for the council is President, 36 Governors, Chairman of Police Service Commission and IGP.
Re: The IGP Is Superior To Governors ⁠— Lawyer, Ndakudu Adam by Nauttyprof(m): 10:22am On Jan 06, 2022
babaolofin:


That is not the position of the Constitution. That is not the position of governor under federalism. It is not in the Constitution that the Governor shall be a Ceremonial Chief Security Officer of the State. The reality on ground is that the Commissioner of Police takes instructions from IGP. It was very clear during Jonathan / Amaechi rift.

Donald Duke some years back in one of his memoirs while in government spoke briefly about this. The implications is that this has made Commissioner of Police sent to some Southern States very rich as the Governor has to bribe his way with money and fixed assets for them to work together. This is very pathetic.


What the Mallam Lawyer said is the bitter truth. The State Commissioner of Police is not appointed by the Governor. He is only posted to work in the State. The governor must take care of him handsomely for them to work together. They are working together. That's the bitter truth.

The Yoruba elites should support Prof Akintoye and IOO.

The State Commissioner of Police is not appointed by the Governor but the Governor can reject any Commissioner of Police sent to his state. This happened in Lagos State and of recent in Ogun state where the Governor rejected Edgar as CP for Ogun state. So, tell me if the Governor is still a ceremonial CSO. We don't practice true Federalism and this is the truth.

Why do we have the Nigerian Police Council with the 36 Governors included if they are not important.
Re: The IGP Is Superior To Governors ⁠— Lawyer, Ndakudu Adam by faste: 11:17am On Jan 06, 2022
Most persons don't know that according to the Constitution of Nigeria the Nigerian police is subordinate to the Inspector General (IG) and the IG is under the authority of the President..
The governors in Nigeria are officially the Chief Security Officers of their various states but do not have power on the Nigerian police as it's vested almost entirely with the Inspector General of Police..The inspector general of police is accountable to the President...
Simple as that..
See your self..how can a Ceo of a company be greater than a company..Than means in a way you are saying that president buhari is greater than Nigeria..and the IGp is not even elected but appointed and can be fired !!!You should return your school fees !!
Re: The IGP Is Superior To Governors ⁠— Lawyer, Ndakudu Adam by Nobody: 11:20am On Jan 06, 2022
Nauttyprof:


The State Commissioner of Police is not appointed by the Governor but the Governor can reject any Commissioner of Police sent to his state. This happened in Lagos State and of recent in Ogun state where the Governor rejected Edgar as CP for Ogun state. So, tell me if the Governor is still a ceremonial CSO. We don't practice true Federalism and this is the truth.

Why do we have the Nigerian Police Council with the 36 Governors included if they are not important.

Firstly, rejection of Commissioner of Police by the Governor doesn't mean the Governor has power to appoint another Commissioner of Police. The IGP was just being magnanimous by sending another one so that the Governor would not put blame on the IGP if there is security breakdown. He was not under compulsion to send another one. Let me ask you a question; If Amaechi had rejected a Commissioner of Police sent to Rivers during his rift with Jonathan, do you think the Commissioner would be replaced? We both know the answer.

Nigerian Police Council membership of the governors does not give governors any power rather it is just to review security situations and how to help the Police .

I am trying to get where I kept a memoir by Donald Duke that touched a Police Commissioner sent to a State ( not Cross River). That was during Obj. The governor first settled (money & fixed asset) the Commissioner on resumption in the State for anticipated cordial working relationship. We all know other things will follow also.

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Re: The IGP Is Superior To Governors ⁠— Lawyer, Ndakudu Adam by faste: 11:20am On Jan 06, 2022
orisa37:



THE IGP IS A SECRETARY OF STATE FOR SECURITY AND IN THE SAME WAY AS THE CURRENT MINISTERS ARE SECRETARIES OF STATES TO THE PRESIDING FEDERAL GOVERNOR (MR PRESIDENT). THE GOVERNORS ARE THE FUNDAMENTAL PRINCIPAL MINISTERS OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
The weed you de take strong sha!!
Re: The IGP Is Superior To Governors ⁠— Lawyer, Ndakudu Adam by kayusely70(m): 11:24am On Jan 06, 2022
Kzinne:
yes but doesn't mean the cso position is merely ceremonial. Do you know that the governor of a state holds regular weekly security meetings with all the heads of security agencies posted to that state? So in a way he has a form of contro6. But that control is checked
Sadly, the governors give all the security agencies both monetary and materials assistance regularly for smooth security issues in their states! The Constitution should be reviewed or discarded urgently!
Re: The IGP Is Superior To Governors ⁠— Lawyer, Ndakudu Adam by faste: 11:26am On Jan 06, 2022
ivolt:

Don't be confused, the governors are not ministers in any guise.
They head an independent level of government.
Yo de mind that confused man who thinks he can misinform this learnt forum.
Re: The IGP Is Superior To Governors ⁠— Lawyer, Ndakudu Adam by faste: 11:33am On Jan 06, 2022
Yankee101:
Of course not

The IGP is not superior, but still, can't take orders from state governor directly


The powers of the federation are derived from the states, any constitutional ratification is done by state assemblies

If not for the north playing for its own, let all the states unite and see which laws can't be changed or a president removed talkless of an IGP
And IGp is just a mere appointee of the president who can be fired at the pleasure of the president,he does not wield executive power just a head of law enforcement mechanism of a state..The governor cannot be fired by the president and wield executive power of the state..

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Re: The IGP Is Superior To Governors ⁠— Lawyer, Ndakudu Adam by Nauttyprof(m): 11:35am On Jan 06, 2022
babaolofin:


Firstly, rejection of Commissioner of Police by the Governor doesn't mean the Governor has power to appoint another Commissioner of Police. The IGP was just being magnanimous by sending another one so that the Governor would not put blame on the IGP if there is security breakdown. He was not under compulsion to send another one. Let me ask you a question; If Amaechi had rejected a Commissioner of Police sent to Rivers during his rift with Jonathan, do you think the Commissioner would be replaced? We both know the answer.

Nigerian Police Council membership of the governors does not give governors any power rather it is just to review security situations and how to help the Police .

I am trying to get where I kept a memoir by Donald Duke that touched a Police Commissioner sent to a State ( not Cross River). That was during Obj. The governor first settled (money & fixed asset) the Commissioner on resumption in the State for anticipated cordial working relationship. We all know other things will follow also.


There is no magnanimity in what the IGP did. This is what state Governors do when they know they can't work with the deployed CP on security issues of the State. The IGP has no option but to accept the request of the Governor and deploy a new CP instead.
Re: The IGP Is Superior To Governors ⁠— Lawyer, Ndakudu Adam by Idiko1: 11:35am On Jan 06, 2022
babaolofin:


He revealed a bitter truth. He said the Governor being the CSO of the State is merely Ceremonial. In reality, what he said is that the State governor is not the CSO of the State.

When did CEO of state become CSO? The president is chief execute officer of the country such as Nigeria hence the executive president. The president is not the chief security officer. The same thing befalls governor of the states. The governor is the chief executive officer of state hence the executive governor. The setup is likened to corporate standard where the CEO is not CSO. A person cannot be a chairman and gateman at the same time. Nigerians tend to coin craps in the newspaper which find their way into psychic of the society. Nigerian police are not apparatus of any state in Nigeria therefore the state governor does not control the ranks of the force.
Re: The IGP Is Superior To Governors ⁠— Lawyer, Ndakudu Adam by faste: 11:47am On Jan 06, 2022
ArewaNorth:




The military did not write any constitution — apart from promulgating the enabling decrees.
On November 11, 1998, Abdulsalami inaugurated the Constitution Debate Co-ordinating Committee (CDCC) to “pilot the debate, co-ordinate and collate views and recommendations canvassed by individuals and groups and submit report not later than 31 December 1998”. It was not headed by a soldier but by Justice Niki Tobi, with Dr. Suleiman Kurmo as deputy chairman. There was no single military man on the committee. They went round the country to collect memoranda from the public through town hall meetings in Benin, Enugu, Jos, Port Harcourt, Kaduna, Kano, Ibadan, Lagos and Sokoto. They excluded military formations.

After all the frenetic debates — up and down, north and south, east and west — the Tobi committee submitted its report to the military government. Tobi said: “In the light of the memoranda and the oral presentation on the 1995 Draft Constitution, it is clear that Nigerians basically opt for the 1979 Constitution with relevant amendments. They want it, and they have copiously given their reasons for their choice in the different memoranda and oral presentations.
So they recommended to the Provisional Ruling Council the adoption of the 1979 Constitution with relevant amendments from the 1995 Draft Constitution.” Abdulsalami accepted the recommendation.
When the 1999 constitution was finally published, three of them sat down and placed it side by side with the 1979 constitution. They then did a clause-by-clause analysis. The trio were: Mr. Victor Ifijeh (the current MD of The Nation newspaper who was THISDAY editor then), Alhaji Yusuph Olaniyonu (SA to Senate President Bukola Saraki who was THISDAY politics editor at the time) and THISDAY features editor. They did a word-for-word reading and laughed themselves to stupor: this is pure plagiarism of the 1979 constitution!
There were only a few notable differences in the two documents, such as the 13% derivation for oil-producing states and the number of states in the federation. While the 1979 constitution spoke about 19 states, 1999 said 36 states, logically. They were only reflecting the realities on ground. FEDECO in the 1979 document changed to INEC in 1999 constitution therefore it can be concluded that the 1999 constitution is a replica of the 1979 constitution.
The biggest irony abt the contentious nature of our constitution is the vicious condemnation of the 1999 constitution by some prominent Nigerians who mostly took part in the previous constitution starting committees or got favour & protection by the system.


Those who believed that the constitution was imposed or dictated by military are just insulting the wisdom and character of their forefathers for accepting what is imposed on them by chairing the committee and drafting what they reject!
Don't you think they were being teleguided?

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